From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #377 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 10 February 1996 Volume 02 : Number 377 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: f.mcguire1@genie.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 01:38:00 UTC 0000 Subject: Loreena on public tv Hi, Yes, I'm still here...since my three attempts to unsubscribe haven't worked, maybe it's a sign I should stay until our GEnie account totally closes... Loreena McKennitt has made a half hour documentary called "Loreena McKennitt: No Journey's End" that is set to air on public television beginning on March 1st. Here's a bit of the description: A rich portrait painted in the performer's own words, No Journey's End looks behind the worldwide, million selling success and critical acclaim of albums like The Vist and The Mask and Mirror.....No Journey's End is a travelogue in the very broadest sense, sweeping us effortlessly across borders, be they geogrpahical or historical, religious....from Ireland, to Manitoba, Canada, to Santiago de Compostella in Spain... I don't want to infringe on copyright laws, so that's paraphrasing from the newswire article. Enjoy! Sherry ------------------------------ From: spaced heater Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:39:55 -0500 Subject: angel'in heavy syrup fw/op from nm-list: >From nm-list-request@xmission.com Thu Feb 8 12:36:51 1996 >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:21:19 -0800 >From: Mason Jones > >In Bay Area music news, watch for Angel'in Heavy Syrup here on >either March 18 or 19, opening for Gong at the Great American Music >Hall. Hopefully they'll have another show on whichever day that >one doesn't happen. > ><====================================================================> > Mason Jones Charnel Music > mason@netcom.com P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco, CA > 94117-0277 Phone/fax (415) 664-1829 > Web site: http://www.meer.net/~charnel/ ><====================================================================> > wish i could be there, but i live on the wrong coast. woj ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 22:42:28 EST Subject: Re: ectopics At 01:48 AM 2/8/96 -0500, spaced heater wrote: >> I'm aware of two M7X albums, the self-titled debut and "7=49". Did >> they ever release their 3rd album last year? > >you may be thinking of the lanterna disc - a side-project by the >m7x's guitarist henry frayne. that was finally released on disc >sometime last summer (or was it fall?). Actually, M7x _was_ supposed to cut a 3rd CD last year. They were headed into the studio back in July, but thanks to the record company, it didn't happen. Henry Frayne's Lanterna was released on CD in the summer. It was nice to see in a recent (and rare) M7x-l posting that there were new songs in M7x's performance set - presumably developed for the album. >maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) sez: > >>Y'know, I think I like the original cassette-only release of M7x's first >>album better than either of the CDs. But only slightly so :) > >i like the cassette better too, but for sentimental reasons rather than >musical ones. i had that cassette about two years before the disc was >(finally) released and was sung to sleep by lynn many an evening. Sentimental reasons weigh heavily for me as well, but I like the track order better and I miss "There's No Doubt In My Mind Now." (Silly but true!) Likewise, I miss the things that didn't make it from the Lanterna cassette release to the Lanterna CD. But that doesn't mean anyone should forgo purchasing the CD - I love it. - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "If I were not Alexander, I would be Diogenes" - - Alexander the Great ------------------------------ From: spaced heater Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:59:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Cheryl Wheeler and Dar wonderful Dar petite piquet sez: >Teehee... folk mafia. Imagine the scene - a dark and dusty folk club, and >two men looming over a third. One of them growls menacingly, "Big Mario >send us around to make sure you come to the open mike tonight, or the >granny gets the capo." You could almost make a movie about it. :) hee! mike curry and i were giggling about folk nazis while immensely enjoying a performance by the nields a couple weekends ago. that whole thing started when sherry mcguire told meredith horror stories about the guy who runs a series of folk concerts in central new jersey and his tendency to decide whether or not one is worthy of a ticket to a given show. being sienfield fans, we immediately dubbed him the ticket nazi (ala the soup nazi) and that soon devolved into folk fascism. i guess i'm guilty, to a degree, of reverse folk discrimination, with all my less-than-kind comments about singer/songwriters. it's an old debate, best left to the rec.music.folk split flamewar. however, it bears noting that falling in love with dar williams' _mortal city_ and immensely enjoying seeing dar and richard shindell at the ticket nazi's concert series might bring me around after all. i confess to also liking barbara kessler. >The big one. The new Dar Williams album. >WOW! yeah, it really is an excellent album, isn't it. (i hope this doesn't diminish your respect for my musical tastes, neile! ;) ) >From the rocking "As Cool As I Am" to the sniffles of "February and the >inexorable singalongability and beauty of "Iowa"... these three songs blow me away everytime. i can understand why "as cool as i am" and "february" would, but i don't understand why i like "iowa" as much as i do. part of it is certainly dar's explanation of the song before playing it live, but something about it is just, i don't know, resonates. the only song that i do not care for is "pompeii" because it doesn't seem to go anywhere. the rest though. whoa! woj ------------------------------ From: selkie@ix.netcom.com (Amy DeFalco ) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:09:44 -0800 Subject: Fight for your right to say...... Attention fair ectophiles.. I'm about to spew political... please forge ahead if you are of the meek tempered... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Vickie for posting something about the very stupid and very frightening bill signed by our Pres. Bill Clinton (the so called Big Brother is Watching the Internet law). .. and to think... I call myself a D e m o c r a t.. *sigh* What I really feel like doing is putting up a web page with every obscene word I can think of (like watching a Quentin Tarrentino film... thems full of swear words..) so that when those 12 year old k ids do a search using *webcrawler* and search for the word "sex" or "fuck" (ooooh can I say "fuck" on ecto?) it will show my web page . . ha ha h a ... no porn . . just a lot of swear words.. Now.. I'm not a parent so I don't really understand what it must be like to raise morally responsible young people.. but I am a firm believer in #1 - PARENTS taking responsibility for what their kids are doing. If that i s not possible, there are plenty of "babysitter" software programs on the market that prevent kids from surfing into "Penthouse on the Web" or any other variety of inappropriate websites for those under the age of 18 (hmm mm... she says..shaking her little pointed head..) It just seems to me that there's a heckuvalota paranoia going on right now wrt the "information superhighway" and all the other media-friendly names given to the internet. The people who don't understand what it's all ab out are the ones making the laws just because one of their constituants heard from their kid that the neighbor's kid downloaded some pictures of some topless modelbabe.... is that much worse than the kids of yesteryear wh o used to sneak peeks at their dad's nudie mags? We all know that kids will be kids.. heck when I was 15 it was giggling over Judy Blume books and the book "Endless Love" *blechk!!!!* Why does the government have to g et involved with yet another avenue of free speech?... I don't believe that "child pornography" and "1001 ways to blow up a federal office building" are appropriate topics for websites - HOWEVER... that is for *us* as responsible thinking adults to decide whats appropriate fo r us and our kids.. no?... am i out of line?... The crazy and extremists of the world are going to find ways of getting their point across to whoever will listen - and some law hanging over their head isn't going to make a bit of difference. If the government has the ability to poke their long snoots into our websites and newsgroups and mailing lists... what's next? Who's going to judge what is inappropriate? Will I get in *trouble* b ecause I want to post an "adult" story on my website? Tis a sad day indeed... I will not go quietly. "They" will see me in November!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I now return you to your regularly scheduled reader-friendly ecto... yours truly.... dyed, fried, and laid to the side.. Amy also known as RedGtrGirl@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Sue Trowbridge Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:30:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tori on "Tonight" She did one song, "Caught a Lite Sneeze," accompanied by a guitar player and a percussionist. I missed her SNL performance but seem to recall some conversation here about whether or not the percussionist was actually playing -- it certainly didn't look like it to me, and the percussion track sounded *exactly* like it does on the album, but why would they bother bringing a percussionist out to mime along? Tori had a harpsichord *and* a regular piano at her disposal -- the keyboards were back to back. Wouldn't surprise me if she used a similar set-up on her tour. The ethereal backing vocals from CaLS were obviously on tape, so it's more than likely that a bunch of the percussion was too. Kind of mystifying, really!! Ah well, it was a nice performance, although the crowd was obnoxious ("We love you, Toriiiii!"). Jay Leno made some sly comments about the photos in the booklet without mentioning any specifics...I'll bet a lot of people's curiosity will be piqued! - --Sue Trowbridge ------------------------------ From: "Xenu's Sister" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:08:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Fight for your right to say...... On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Amy DeFalco wrote: > Attention fair ectophiles.. I'm about to spew political... please forge > ahead if you are of the meek tempered... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Thank you, Vickie for posting something about the very stupid and very > frightening bill signed by our Pres. Bill Clinton (the so called Big > Brother is Watching the Internet law). .. and to think... I call myself > a D e m > o c r a t.. *sigh* You're welcome...I was happy to do it. My web pages are black, and I might keep them that way longer than 48 hours. I don't know. I'm very depressed. I'd gouge my eyes out with red hot pokers before I'd ever vote Republican, but Exon and Clinton are *Democrats*! I'm *SO* depressed! I'm so embarrassed for the Democratic party. > What I really feel like doing is putting up a web > page with every obscene word I can think of (like watching a Quentin > Tarrentino film... thems full of swear words..) so that when those 12 > year old k > ids do a search using *webcrawler* and search for the word "sex" or > "fuck" (ooooh can I say "fuck" on ecto?) it will show my web page . . > ha ha h a ... no porn . . just a lot of swear words.. Fuckin' A! (yes, you can say fuck on ecto) :-) (lots of things I agree with deleted) > If the government has the ability to poke their > long snoots into our websites and newsgroups and mailing lists... > what's next? Who's going to judge what is inappropriate? Will I get > in *trouble* because I want to post an "adult" story on my website? Probably, if some busybody tattletale gets in a snit about it. A couple of years ago I was going through a bad time, trying to figure out why I, while growing up, seemed to be a major target for sexual abuse and rape. I badly needed to tell my story to people outside a "survivor/recovery" group, and I chose to do it in Ecto. I posted long, rambling essays about the abuse and rapes, and people were supportive. It occurs to me now that, with this new law, I could be prosecuted for what I wrote and posted. Isn't that sick? (Not that anyone on ecto would turn me in, but it's just the idea that angers me) Bye bye free speech on the net...it was nice while it lasted. > Tis a sad day indeed... I will not go quietly. "They" will see me in > November!!!! That's what I said 4 years ago. What a waste of time. Vickie http://miso.wwa.com/~vickie/ "When you can't say 'fuck', you can't say 'fuck the government'" Lenny Bruce ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:44:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for Chris Montville Sorry to bother everyone, but I just sent a message to Chris Montville and got one back from someone new who has his old email address. Chris, are you still here? - --Neile ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:47:04 +0100 Subject: Re: diamanda galas + Norwegian Sampler Hey all The mentioning yet again of Diamanda gave me the opportunity to reveal my upcoming project - a Norwegian Ecto-sampler. Why Diamanda? two words - Oral Constitution - a norwegian band fronted by 2 women singing much like Diamanda ... what I've heard at least - haven't got their album yet but I kinda trust my source. I want to include many of the following artists Velvet Belly I've already picked songs I want to be on the sample (couldn't settle with 2 like I first intended) Flowers (Colours) When It's Summer (Colours) Looking For More (Little Lies) All Of You (Little Lies) Words (Little Lies) Conversation Stops (The Landing) - ----- Third & The Mortal Not very hard to pick a song as I only got one :) Will probably include one more though ... Songs - ----- Weld Crumbling Walls Loop - ---- Dronning Mauds Land This was a real tough one cause I kinda like all their songs very much. But I had to choose two or three so ... Doed Postmann (Dead Postman ... not very hard to translate :) Arkiver Disse Bildene (File These Pictures ... or something like that :) Vil Ikke hjem (Don't Want to Go Home ... hmmm, whatever :) Considering I only got 1 album yet (their latest) they are well represented :) - --- These artists are probably going to be on the sampler but most of it I still don't have or I haven't gotten to pick songs from yet... Oral Constitution (Diamanda Galas like female fronted band) Release Party (guitar-based female-fronted band) Shine Dion (Celtic folk rock) Sidsel Endresen (blues/jazz - maybe the best there is in Norway) Kari Bremnes (folk singer/songwriter) Mari Boine (no presentation needed I suppose :) Peacock Place (Schizo-country Paparazzi Mama (maybe one of norway's finest voices) Radka Toneff (a norwegian Jazz legend) Caroline Asplin (hmmm, I did hear one song once but the only thing I remember is that I liked it a lot) I haven't included Bel Canto or Anja Garbarek yet cause they are both on the Nordic sampler ... Most of it I've ordered - some of it I only know from reviews, recommendations or articles but I hope to finish the sampler in not too long ... maybe 2 weeks or so. *hugs* Yngve - -- ________________________________________________________________ Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ www: http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ Irc-nick: One Alien |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:12:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Fight for your right to say...... My page is going to black at least until the end of tuesday next week :( Yngve ------------------------------ From: MundoPax@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:35:27 -0500 Subject: I Kant Tori Read Dear Ecto folk, Howdy, Marcel Kshensky here. I'm letting my friend Joe Pecorino write some really deep thoughts about BFP. Here goes: Am I the only person who's been a Tori fan from the get go (LE first listen, 1st Bottom Line show, Town Hall, even saw her at the Lone Star, and got her autograph!) willing to painfully admit that BFP is a bad album? I anticipated its arrival. I wanted desperately to like it. I listened through it in one sitting, thought CALS was promising, and after all was said and done thought there was so much wrong with this CD. F'rinstance: 1. Even giving Tori the benefit of the doubt regarding her "obscure lyrics," without the lyrics being printed, I can't tell what she's saying half the time because of her exaggerated vocal stylization. LE and UTP certainly had their share of lyrics that allowed for different interpretations. At least you could understand them! And when she sang "What if I'm a mermaid. . . ," I somehow knew what she was trying to say. Now, reading BFP's lyrics while listening I have absolutely no sense of where she's coming from or where she's going. Okay, call me the stupid with Aimee. 2. Tori's maiden voyage as a producer doesn't help the above at all. Songs are murky, vocals are lost in orchestrations, and quite frankly, I hyperventilated (breath, breath, breath, breath, breath) by the time the album was over. I missed Eric's help. 3. As an artistic package, I was disturbed that Tori seems to think she needs to shock (suckling pig) to generate interest. A Madonna with brains? 4. The album is too long. Probably because the songs tend to veer away from anything particularly memorable. 5. I'm sorry. Every artist is allowed to grow, experiment, succeed, or fail. But BFP comes across as terribly self-indulgent. The last thing I want to say is no one is more disappointed than I am. BFP even turned me off to seeing her during her upcoming tour. I don't need or want to hear these songs live. Although, I do really like "Putting the Damage On." Even the CD single extras have been disappointing. Major bummer. (Tori, if you read this. I really do still love you. I just don't like the record). Sorry Tori fans. Bye. ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:56:17 +0000 Subject: Re: a dissenting thought on tori-damn this is long. On 7 Feb 96 at 0:45, Anthony Horan wrote: > Would these same writers go into print saying that John Lennon was a > kooky, insane little thing because he wrote "Crabalocker fishwife, > pornographic priestess, boy you've been a naughty girl you've let > your knickers down"? Uh-uh. They're widely regarded as "brilliant". > Why, then, is the lyrical content of "Boys For Pele" causing such > concern with hack journalists? Don't these people ever read Lewis > Carroll? If memory serves, they did say such things at the time. Time and death can do a lot to change the perception from "nutcase" to "legend". > The best thing about CDs is that, finally, an album can be as long > as it needs to be without having to be truncated for technical > reasons. "Boys For Pele" happens to run for 70 minutes and 33 > seconds; if it had arrived in the pre-CD days, it may well have been > a double album. I saw the album on vinyl a few days ago. It is, indeed, a double album, with each of the segments or chapters or quarters or whatever on a separate side of a record. Maybe the album would work better listened to in that way than as a single stream. (I'm listening to it now, hoping it will eventually click -- I don't tend to notice lyrics much, so I work from just the music, and "Caught a Light Sneeze" and "Father Lucifer" are the only songs I can recall when not listening to it, the rest kinda blurring together.) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 00:11:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Recent Spree On 8 Feb 96 at 18:40, Charley Darbo wrote: > Knitting Factory Works: _Fall/Winter_1993_Releases_ > It was $.99 and has tracks like "John Zorn's COBRA" and "Jewish > Avant- garde Music Sessions" and "Billy Tipton Memorial Saxophone > Quartet: Saxhouse" and came with a catalogue of music recorded live > at The Knitting Factory, which will undoubtedly cost me a great deal > of money. Lot's of good stuff, along with a few that I had to skip. Knitting Factory does some really good stuff. I have "Live Vol. III" and "John Zorn's COBRA" (on one segment of which Jeff Buckley sings "I was walking through the park one day..." while a whole lot of not-particularly-related sound happens. Zorn's also been doing some very interesting stuff with his "Radical Jewish Culture" performance and recording series on his Tzadik label. Knitting Factory has a good Web site, though I don;t have the URL at hand. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 00:27:42 +0000 Subject: Re: The evil megabookstores On 7 Feb 96 at 2:03, Neal Copperman wrote: > I'm not one to defend large chains. In fact, I've struggled over > the Borders thing many times myself. As chains go, it's actually > quite a nice one. I'm a big supporter of independants, and will > shop them whenever possible, but in many places, independents just > aren't an option. Baltimore has a pretty poor collection of > bookstores, and only one non-chain record store of note. This is true in Dallas, too -- there's only one good non-chain store, Paperbacks Plus, that I've found, and they're mostly used stuff. Anything I can't find at Borders, etc, I gotta mail order, which I mostly do via email, through a good small poetry-oriented store, Bridge Street Books, in Washington, DC. There are a few good non-chain CD stores here -- though the only local places that I can get, for example, a good selection of John Zorn or James Tenney CDs are Borders or Blockbuster Music (one of which has someone who really grooves on contemporary experimental classical -- often when I special order something, he orders two, one for himself). And of all the stores in town, Borders is the only one that's consistently and prominently featured Happy's CDs. It seems the smaller stores have an even tighter focus on the top of the charts than the big places, perhaps because they can't afford to gamble on stuff that may or may not sell. But for the really fringe stuff I want to find, I go to the Net. I've been getting CDs, books, and scores directly from the publishers with no middlemen at all, and cheaper than I would find it if I ordered it through a store. (My Mastercard is crying from the order I just made from Frog Peak Music.... *sigh*) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 00:27:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Tori and mythology On 6 Feb 96 at 10:27, she listens like her head's o wrote: > I tend to try to look hard at some of her metaphors, ever since I > was surprised in an Art History class to come face to face with a > slide of the "woman clothed with the sun" . > > Sister Janet:" sister janet you have come from the woman clothed > with the sun.." I hadn't noticed this lyric, though I knew the phrase -- I have an anthology of writings about reported appearances of the Virgin Mary with that title. (I actually have a bunch of books and some videos on the topic. Odd for a nice Jewish boy :-]) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: merlin@surf.com (The Merlin) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:23:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Fight for your right to say...... Vickie lamented: >My web pages are black, and >I might keep them that way longer than 48 hours. and Yngve continued: >My page is going to black at least until the end of tuesday >next week. This travesty moved me to actually get off my butt and create the home page I'd been promising to friends, just so I could turn it black. However, this is one of the times that I'm very glad I'm a member of the ACLU, which challenged the Exon amendment the day the bill was signed. The full text of the challenge is available on the ACLU web site, at www.aclu.org. The ACLU is about the only group willing to defend the unpopular causes, and I consider it an investment in my own freedom. I may disagree with the things said by some of the causes they defend, but allowing them to speak is fundamental to my own freedom. Enough politics. On the musical front, Poe has been spending quite a fair amount of time in my CD player; surprisingly, more than Tori. I don't get BfP, but I'll give it time before I comment. UtP also took me a while, but grew on me eventually. And a personal musical note: I've been mixing and running the sound for a band a friend is in, and they're about ready to play out for the first time. It's a fairly ecto-friendly band by the name of Idle Hands, with a female vocalist & sax player/backing vocals. The music runs from classic rock (they cover Steely Dan & Van Morrison) to slow blues torch songs to some poppier songs. As soon as we get a venue, I'll post it, so ectophiles in the SF Bay area keep a lookout at the Starry Plow or... the other possible gig that slips my mind (duh!). And I'll try to get a song or two from the demo tape for the next HGP. Blessed be, Erik ________________________________________________________________________________ erik@falcon.kla.com merlin@surf.com e_johnso@kla.com New Home Page! -> http://www.surf.com/~merlin <- New account, for that matter. In your head, no car is fast enough / In your heart, no love is true Would it ruin all your solitary fancies / If I tell you that it isn't only you? -- Emma Bull, Cats Laughing, "For It All" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #377 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu