From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #336 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, 8 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 336 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 19:58:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: New URL! Hi! In the unlikely event that anyone has a link to my Web page, I want to let y'all know that the URL has changed slightly. It's now: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/meth/ Yes folks, I've got my own directory now! Whoo-hoo. Please update your links accordingly. :) If you have any questions blah blah blah, e-mail me. +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/meth/| +===========================================================================+ | "Life is a sleazy stranger and this is his favorite bar" - Ani DiFranco | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:11:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists On Jan 07, 1996 11:13:44, 'Emmy May Lombaerts ' wrote: >When I first got "Oyster", it didn't appeal to me at all. I thought it was >loud, chaotic, and not really the sort of thing I could get into. It is rather loud. But, at the time, I needed that. So, when I first got it, I really adored it. Maybe I was wrapped up in the prettiness of Heather's voice, I don't know. But as time went on, I started to dislike her style, and her lyrics, which I once thought were exquisite, started feeling pretty lacking. I guess the spell of her voice just wore off, because I'm not even that impressed with her vocals anymore. I'm still glad I have the album though, since I really do love the first four songs, and Doubled Up. >Heather was one of my biggest musical discoveries this year. I couldn't decide who my biggest musical discovers of this year (well, last year, I guess :) were. Actually, that's not true. :) Ani, Melissa Ferrick and Alanis Morissette qualify, I think. >And what a year in music it has been too. It's been ages since I was so >enthusiastic about new stuff. I know the feeling, kind of. I'm actually getting pretty jaded. Very few things come into my life and change my world, at this point. I'm beginning to think I've run out of musical goddesses to discover. :) But hey, last time I thought that, I found Ani... >But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? I usually >tend to put on music with female vocals, but I do like NIN, Elton John,and to >some extent TAFKAP and Peter Gabriel. TAFKAP? Lemme see... the only male artists in my collection are: Peter Gabriel, Billy Joel, Meat Loaf, George Michael, Phish, Seal, Simon And Garfunkel, and They Might Be Giants. I only have one album from each of those artists though, and I realized recently that I really have NO musical gods, just goddesses. I guess it's just because I tend to only like female *voices*. Ariel - -- "Caught a lite sneeze, dreamed a little dream... made my own pretty hate machine." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ From: "Deepspace" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:49:41 +0000 Subject: Re:male ecto-artists > But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? I usually > tend to put on music with female vocals, but I do like NIN, Elton John,and to > some extent TAFKAP and Peter Gabriel. Let's see - I enjoy hearing Chris Isaak, Dire Straits, Toad The Wet Sprocket, REM, and lots of others. "Male Ecto" sounds like an oxymoron, but hey... musn't be sexist! Also enjoy Al Stewart, The Benzedrene Monks, Firesign Theatre, Los Doors, The Beatles, The Stones, Pearls Before Swine, Caravan, Gentle Giant, Spirit, Peter Gabriel (including Genesis), Bruce Springsteen, Robert Earle Keene, Bill Monroe, kd lang (it's a joke!), Paul Simon, Jade Warrior, Aphrodite's Child, Yes, Bob Dylan, Peter Himmelman, and Angelo Badalamenti. FWIW, YMMV. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Robert the Wierd - er, wired. ------------------------------ From: "Deepspace" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:00:40 +0000 Subject: Re: ...like the snow > >If anyone in the Phila./New Jersey area gets the pay cable channel PRISM, > >make sure to tune in on Thursday, 1/10 at 6pm. The Prism Music Magazine made > >a one year anniversary show. At the very end, there is a in-studio > >performance of Happy playing "Look for the Child" solo acoustic. > > Eeeep! Anybody going to be able to tape this (Uncle Bob :)? Actually, this is a repeat. I taped it first time around. I dropped Prism when I got the DSS, so alas, I hope Happy's next TeeVee is HBO. Tio Roberto, who left Catherine Wheel off his list of male ectoartists! (Thanks Laurel!) ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:12:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: Male Voices Hello, I've been on an Ecto 'kick' for some time now (except for an occaisional bit 'o' Van Morrison). But, male voices I usually listen to: Beatles*, Caravan, Family, P Gabriel, Gentle Giant, P Hammill, Van Morrison*, Bill Nelson, Shawn Phillips, Tom Waits, XTC, Frank Zappa*. Probably others but I'm at work and offtophead is tricky. KrW Time flies like the wind Fruit flies like the banana ------------------------------ From: "Knapp Kevin E. 2LT" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 20:53:30 PST (0453Z) Subject: another lurker speaks... When I read Anthony's (anthony@xymox.apana.org.au) description of Alanis Morrissette's voice sounding "like Gary Numan on a bad day," it took me a while to stop laughing. As a long-time Gary Numan fan, this comparison would *never* have occurred to me. After giving the matter some thought, though, I'd have to agree with Anthony. She *does* sound like him! Personally, I like three or four songs on her album, and think the rest of it is filler. So much for my $0.02... As far as her first album, I picked it up out of curiousity -- I believe that even the most die-hard Morrissette fan would be unable to recognize the vocals unless they knew what they were listening to. What male artists do I listen to? Lemme think -- David Sylvian tops the list, of course -- Gary Numan, Ultravox, Thomas Dolby, Harry Connick Jr. (and I freely admit this!), just about any early 80's L.A. punk, and most of that obnoxious trendy industrial stuff (Front 242, NIN, that sort of thing). - --the lurker formerly known as ksmudge@uwyo.edu - ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'm going to have to figure out how to do a .sig file on this system, for the disclaimer: my views in no way represent the U.S. Army etc. etc. ------------------------------ From: Garry Potter Date: 8 Jan 96 15:58:10 EAT Subject: Re:male ecto-artists Let's not forget David Sylvian. GrP ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 00:32:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Radio Ecto: A Reminder Hi! I've (finally) updated my various Web pages this evening, including the Radio Ecto page, such as it is. I desperately need submissions, folks! Particularly from sources outside of the U.S. Please take a look at the page to see what the format is, and send your submissions to me at meth@delphi.com. The page is located at: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/meth/radio.html (Neil K., please note the new URL :), and submissions should follow this form: Station call letters Frequency Location Type (i.e. College, Community, Commercial, Public) Best Times To Listen Format E-dress and/or URL There's also a section for individual shows, such as World Cafe (syndicated) and KCRW's Morning Becomes Eclectic. I'm particularly looking for info on WHFS in Washington, D.C., anything worthwhile in the Boston area, and anything at all in Canada. Plus, I know there are some good things on the radio up in Maine, I've heard a few ectophilic things on the airwaves in Chicago (believe it or not), and so on. Unfortunately, I can't do this myself, so please send whatever you can! Sorry if I sound desperate here, but I really want to make this into something useful. :) Meredith meth@delphi.com "thank you very much" - Sara Craig ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:45:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: bizarre Hello, Here at the PBS station we're playing Tony Brown's Journal. His guest is an Astrologer whose been on NY cable access for a long time. His speaking voice and manner are exactly like Dan Akroyd's Alvin Mainway of Mainwy's Bag 'o' Glass toys, Johnny Human Torch Holloween costume,etc. Prob just a co-incidence, eh!!!! KrW "TV or not TV, that is the question. Whether it is nobler to suffer the lies of outrageous pitch-men, or to slit your throat with an electrocoated stainless steel blade"? WOI ------------------------------ From: "Xenu's Sister" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:13:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Emmy May Lombaerts wrote: > Which male artists do you all listen to? Peter Gabriel! Jeff Buckley! (He's *extremely* ecto!) Lots more... * Vickie bows to Charley, who will tell you all about Jeff. Vickie (trying to build a web page, and never realized how difficult it is, and has enourmous respect for those who have done it) - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie Mapes ectoMUSH irc/#ecto "My ears are lucky to hear vickie@wwa.com alt.music.ecto these glorious songs" HR _________ "Imagination sets in, then |_ _ | _ The Happy Rhodes mailing list all the voices begin" KB |__|_ ||_| ecto-request@nsmx.rutgers.edu - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Searching for Happy Rhodes reviews, articles, interviews, mentions - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: joels@sd.cts.com (Joel Siegfried) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:13:18 -0800 Subject: Alanis Review from San Diego Union Dear Ectophiles, Here's a review of Alanis's San Diego concert from a local newspaper. I wonder is anyone on this list attended this event, and if so, what were your reactions? This is one that I missed. Joel joels@cts.com Paper Name: UNION-TRIBUNE Pub. Date: 05-Jan-1996 Friday Column/Series: POP MUSIC REVIEW Headline: Alanis' music shows few vital signs at UCSD Byline: GEORGE VARGA Creditline: Pop Music Critic Photographer: Union-Tribune / SEAN M. HAFFEY Caption: Flavor of the month? Canadian singer Alanis Morissette emotes Wednesday at UCSD. Guitarist Jesse Tobias backs her up. Story Subject: Alanis Morissette Alanis Morissette, family entertainer? You might not think so, given the 21-year-old Canadian singer-songwriter's status as the latest rage in pop music and -- however contrived -- a provocative, sexually frank neo-feminist for the '90s. But there was nothing daring about her slick, curiously innocuous concert Wednesday night at UCSD's RIMAC Arena. There, backed by a tight but faceless four-man band, she performed before a sold-out audience of 4,200 that included a conspicuous number of parents with teen and preteen children in tow (or, more likely, vice versa). Some older concertgoers (in this case, fans older than 20) expressed surprise that any families were in attendance. And at least a few wondered aloud if the parents present would be shocked or offended by "You Oughta Know," the recent Morissette hit that includes a four-letter word and an oh-so-daring reference to oral sex. Yet the only thing offensive about the 16-song, 87-minute show, besides its muddled sound and the arena's barnlike acoustics, was how bland and perfunctory most of it was. Just how perfunctory was demonstrated by the large number of fans who began filing out when Morissette announced her last number, and by the fact her second encore would not have happened had a stage crew member not prompted the departing audience to resume cheering. The repertoire was drawn largely from Morissette's current release, "Jagged Little Pill," which yesterday earned her six Grammy nominations (tying Mariah Carey for the most nominations), including album of the year, best new artist and best female rock vocal. But the rote readings she gave most of these songs lacked any sense of risk or spontaneity, revealing little personality beneath her ersatz bluster. And the 11th selection, "You Oughta Know" -- an in-your-face indictment of an ex-boyfriend -- plodded rather than provoked, as befits a slick dance-pop song with alterna-rock trappings masquerading as a snarling feminist anthem. Never mind that the music for this coolly calculated "anthem" was co-written (along with every other song on "Jagged Little Pill") by Glen Ballard, whose previous production credits include an album by that consciousness-raising riot grrrl trio Wilson Phillips. Never mind that this "anthem's" dial-a-tantrum lyrics merely pay lip service to notions of independence, as Morissette panders to a male fantasy of feminism by assuming the role of an embittered, sexually aggressive but ultimately submissive woman pining for the man who dumped her. And never mind that, only a few years ago, Morissette was Canada's answer to American teen-pop confectioner Debbie Gibson (a fact her management and record company have tried to bury). Because most music fans oughta know by now that image is far more important than substance -- a reality that surely played a major role in Madonna's decision to sign Morissette to the Material Girl's Maverick Records label. And Morissette, like Madonna, realizes that superficial titillation can be very lucrative, especially when geared to both men and women. Or, as one male Morissette concertgoer Wednesday asked of another: "Are you here to meet chicks, or do you like her music?" (Answer: "No, the reason we're here (at the top of the stairs) is these chicks walk up and they're wearing really loose shirts.") Morissette fared better with such ballads as "Mary Jane" and the concert-closing "Your House." The latter, an unlisted song that concludes the "Jagged Little Pill" album, was performed partly a cappella and struck a balance between tenderness and anger that seemed genuine, not forced. The future of pop music's current flavor of the month will depend greatly on her ability to make those distinctions. The concert began with a 39-minute set by Loud Lucy, a band that lived up to half its name. The trio's paint-by-numbers songs at times suggested an unfortunate cross between Bon Jovi and Nirvana-lite. That may explain why the biggest applause came after the announcement that the band's ninth song would be its last. **END OF STORY REACHED** - -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Joel Siegfried San Diego, California - USA Voice (619) 222-9236 | | Internet addresses: joels@cts.com ei955@cleveland.freenet.edu | | "But I haven't seen Barbados so I must get out of this." - Tori Amos | | "It's easy when you're blessed with money, love and sex." - Heather Nova | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 04:37:48 -0500 Subject: male ecto-artists ...and there is Sting. I forget some of the qualifications for "ecto" ... but a lot of his music is moody, thought-provoking/cerebral, etc. me, da mouse... - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Joanna M. Phillips | "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty fleur@one.net | being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What fleur@genie.com | do you want--an adorable pancreas?"--Jean Kerr ------------------------------ From: "S. Lunsford & T. O'Reilly" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:36:48 +0000 Subject: Re:male ecto-artists Hi everyone, > > But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? I usually > > tend to put on music with female vocals, but I do like NIN, Elton John,and to > > some extent TAFKAP and Peter Gabriel. See? Snow isn't *all* bad, 'cause sometimes your pookie even gets a paid snow day and the two of you can be disgustingly mushy all day :^). re: male artists -- I must admit that I very rarely listen to male vocalists at all anymore. The biggest reason for that is that it's extremely rare for the lyrics in a song sung by a man to make me cry/laugh/sing along/smile/feel inspired. Is that because men pick different songs to sing, or because they sing differently and it just doesn't have much of an effect on me...? Not sure. (Of course *grin* this is coming from a woman who really adored Phil Collins in high school and had every single tape he ever put out, so I don't know if my opinion counts for anything anymore...) It's also extremely rare for me to hear men singing in harmony in a rock or folk song and feel the same kind of shiver up my back that I feel when I'm listening to women sing in harmony. I know it's perfectly possible for men to accomplish whatever it is that women do, because I hear it all the time in choral music. So I guess I'd have to say that the few male groups/singers I've listened to in the past two years form an extremely short list: Toad the Wet Sprocket (sp?), The Bobs, and Take 6 (I'm not religious in the least but I can't stay away from their first album). Just me the crampy and crabby one *growl* - -Sage ____________________________________________________________________ Sage, Todd and the eight feline cohorts: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net Not to mention: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ where you can fall in and spend hours. Literally. ------------------------------ From: Garrick Twinney Date: 8 Jan 96 12:36:45 GMT Subject: Male Ecto singers. Hi Ectophiles. Blimey. Two delurks already this year. I don't listen to a great many male singers but those that I do include: Roger Waters (solo), Gary Numan, Pink Floyd (especcially Roger Waters's) and Peter Gabriel. Roger is probably my favourite Male singer, his album 'Amused to Death' is just wonderful, very powerful both lyrically and musicly. - -- Garrick Twinney 'We strangers know each other now as part of gtwinney@plymouth.ac.uk the whole design.' - Suzanne Vega 'Gypsy' g7lfw@gb7pab.#44.gbr.eu New preferred e-dress: garrick@area51.upsu.plym.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: Felix Strates Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:09:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists > On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Emmy May Lombaerts wrote: > > Which male artists do you all listen to? The Beatles, Steve Brust, Boiled in Lead, Peter Gabriel, David Baerwald, John Fogerty, Chris Rea, Colin James, Boris Grebenshikov, Midnight Oil, The Rainmakers, Van Morrison, Mick Jones, Pete Droge, John Hiatt, Lonnie Mack, Johnny Winter, and Buddy Guy to name a few. - - - - - - - - - - Felix Strates 'Tis true, there's magic in the web... flx@creighton.edu http://bluejay.creighton.edu/~flx/ --Shakespeare Othello - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: hobo@ralip.se (Håkan Bårman) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 14:10:26 EST Subject: Re:RomeoVoid spike45@sos.sos.net (monroe/fisher) wrote: ... >All Romeo Void ---- I didn't have a turntable to play them on for >years---anyone else ever heard off them? I used to have an album with "I might liked you better, if we slept together". Annoying saxophone :-) on all tracks. Great (female) voice. The record disappeared when I sold my vinyl. That's all I know. /H. ------------------------------ From: MJM Date: 08 Jan 96 10:18:43 EST Subject: MJM's Top Ten of 1995 OK, folx, I know you're all on your seats' respective edges... MJM's Top Ten Albums of 1995 - ---------------------------- 1) The Bobs -- Plugged (favorite songs -- Tatoo, Meat on the Moon, Kill Your TV) 2) Suddenly Tammy! -- We Get There When We Do (favorite songs -- Snowman, River Run, Supersonic, Bound Together) 3) Moxy Fruvous -- Wood (favorite songs -- Misplaced, Horseshoes, Doorstep, Present Tense Tureen) 4) Joan Osborne -- Relish (favorite song -- Pensacola) 5) Listen Up! -- Shimu Na (my a cappella group) 6) Innocence Mission -- Glow (favorite song -- That Was Another Country) 7) Susan Werner -- Last of the Good Straight Girls (favorite songs -- Some Other Town, St. Mary's of Regret, Man I Used to Love) 8) Nan Vernon -- Manta Ray 9) Happy Rhodes -- The Keep 10) Edlos -- A Cappella Country (favorite songs -- Tupelo Honey, I Think It's Gonna Rain Today, Big Bad John) Honorable Mention: Klezmatics -- Jews With Horns (favorite song -- Man in a Hat with Moxy Fruvous on BVs) (Would be on the list if I was more into Klezmer.) Probably would have made the list if I'd heard them in '95: Patty Larkin -- Strangers World (on order) Emmylou Harris -- Wrecking Ball (on order) - -mjm ------------------------------ From: ! Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:20:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Two questions from my room-mate Once again, I come to ye ecto-folk, holders of musical knowledge divers beyond comprehension, with niggling little queries... 1). A version of the Clash song "Train in Vain," sung by a woman in a very "classic Motown" style (or so said Dan; I didn't actually hear it). We seek the name of the performer, album or single name, label etc. 2). Dick Dale, self-proclaimed King of the Surf guitar, on some PBS history of Rock thing, appeared to be playing a normally-strung, right-handed guitar upside down, i.e. with the low strings farthest from the thumb. Is this for real? Did he always do this? At first it seemed to make sense, since many of his most famous riffs (Peter Gunn, etc.) are played on the low E and on the A string, which could fall nicely under the fingers in that position. But then I'm not sure how you do the chunka-chunka bits, unless the attack is all on the upstroke. Can anyone help? thanks much, - --snow doug __/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\ = ...nous devons cultiver notre jardin... = = INET:dmayowel@access.digex.net AOL:DougMhyphW Compu$erve:102432,355 = = visit the pathetic caverns! http://www.access.digex.net/~dmayowel = ------------------------------ From: MJM Date: 08 Jan 96 12:42:16 EST Subject: the keep (finally, in chicago) I finally picked up a copy of The Keep here in the windy apple over the weekend. Anyone in Chicagoland who doesn't have their copy yet, this is a good time to buy it -- at Tower -- they have their $4 off anything sale, so it was just 11.99 instead of 15.99. I didn't have a lot of time to look for other stuff, which is probably just as well, as my credit card is getting a fine workout without it. Also, buy 4 TDK SA90s and get $5 rebate with any CD purchase > $10. So this worked out quite nicely. Didn't see any Tower calendars though -- why did they discontinue that? - -mjm ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:50:09 -0500 Subject: Male artists Well, to put my $.002 (since the government was shut down): Peter Gabriel, Lyle Lovett, the waynes (a wonderful ecto-ish male-led band from (guess) Cleveland - although Mrs. Wayne sometimes sings, as well), Matthew Sweet, Peter Murphy, Talking Heads/David Byrne/The Heads, The Cure, The Beatles, Blue Nile, The Clash, Depeche Mode, Dr. John, Happy Mondays, Jane's Addiction/Porno for Pyros, NIN, Steely Dan, and any male blues artist. Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "You cannot make anything foolproof, because the fools are so ingenious." - Christian Walters - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #336 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu