From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #331 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 4 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 331 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:58:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: a rather wonky top N list damon wrote, re jagged little pill: >a lot of people accuse this album of being mature, while a lot of other >people laud it as an extremely mature piece of work. this confuses me. this confuses me, too... small typo? ;) kevin - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kevin contzen ....... so take a lesson from the strangeness you feel and know vancouver, bc ..... you'll never be the same and find it in your heart to kneel canada ... down and say i gave my love didn't i? and i gave big some contzen@sfu.ca . times and i gave it in my own sweet time i'm just leaving ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:18:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: my top 10! ok, so it's only a top six.... ;) well, i know you've all been waiting with baited breath for the much- anticipated Kevin's Top six (unlike some becoveted others, my wallet did not allow such flamboyance as to purchase enough albums to make a real top ten (damon's consistent misconceptions notwithstanding (O, to be a veritable fount of unearned money!))) of 1995. So here it is (please note that this is a -purchases- list, and so includes stuff not published in 1995 heh... looking at this list, i'd end up with a top 2 otherwise ;) )... The Much-Anticipated Kevin's Top Five *1. Diamanda Galas -- Plague Mass Beautiful, terrible, ugly and divine; raw power and seething hurt, explosive and insiduous hatred, wrenching sadness, and a defiance that leaves me spinning. Never has music had such an emotional impact on me... listening to this, i feel anger, outrage, and a flying torture/hatred/defiance that's so intense i don't think i could ever express it. only nature, and the thought of its destruction, has ever done this to me (admittedly, even more powerfully than Plague Mass). sometimes, i see beauty so deep and moving i cry; and then the knowledge that we're doing everything we can to blast it from the earth brings up the same emotion that i feel so much throughout Plague Mass. many people on ecto have talked about how they don't enjoy Diamanda. neither do I. she doesn't mean to be enjoyed; she means to sear. and she does it. 2. This Mortal Coil -- Filigree and Shadow dark, brooding, melancholy, a wash of grey and charcoal black, beautiful in the manner of the bony fingers of a gnarled old tree stretching into the mist through the winter rain. A drop falling from the knuckle down through greyness into the same puddle, there on the ground. 3. Lisa Gerrard -- The Mirror Pool beautiful.... lisa's voice channels a divinely beautiful muse. my only gripe is that she didn't give a concert in vancouver. :( 4. Laurie Anderson -- The Ugly One With the Jewels & Other Stories spooky and humourous all at once.. includes the GLM "oh andy honey, get me a bunny." 5. Mary Margaret O'Hara -- miss america makes sense through nonsense, and sometimes doesn't, yet always makes an intelligent and masterful noise. 6. Kristin Hersh -- hips and makers kristin's flat pan voice works perfectly with her acoustic guitar (and michael stipe's slightly less flat pan voice).. honorable mention dar williams -- when i was a boy (from the honesty room) haven't heard much of the album, but this song immediately struck me.... wonderful lyrics make this song alone worth the price of the album. kendra smith -- five ways of disappearing erasure -- erasure, and the I Love Saturday EP bjork -- post jane siberry -- maria kristin hersh -- strings EP disappointments maria -- while this made honourable mention, and is very good, i know jane can produce aching excellence. glimmers of it come through all over the place, but never seem to catch into the fire they should. the "i just don't understand" section alanis morrisette -- jagged little pill what's with this, anyway? i know many ectophiles love this album, but its worth totally escapes me. boldly immature, it reminds me very much of the "you hurt me, girl" type songs my sister used to listen to so much when she was on her new kids on the block kick. (IMNSHO) "don't like the album but love the booklet" award hurrah to moby for _everything is wrong_! an artist with the right perspective. end comments writing the comments on Plague Mass sort of drained me... sorry about the rest of this being quite short, but compared to PM, it all seems somewhat silly. hmmm... perhaps it's just infatuation, but i would hate to perpetually think of the rest of my music collection as rather weightless.. and i think my this mortal coil description suffered a weirding from it.. well, i'm sure i'll feel a better about everything after a short rest :) happy 1996 kevin - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kevin contzen ....... so take a lesson from the strangeness you feel and know vancouver, bc ..... you'll never be the same and find it in your heart to kneel canada ... down and say i gave my love didn't i? and i gave big some contzen@sfu.ca . times and i gave it in my own sweet time i'm just leaving ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:50:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: New cds Hello, I just acquired Bel Canto, Shimmery or whatever[ bought it, skimmed it, went to work], Joan Armatrading [the new 1], and Sat Morn whatever. And you people are to blame! 1st you forced me to get Birds of Passage, which was addictive, then you told me that Joan was back in form, and then you twisted my arm to get me to get Sat Morn w/ Underdog done by the Butthole Surfers. It should have been a cd of a lot of groups doing Underdog, AFAIC!! 8-) KrW MXYZPTLK, anyone? ------------------------------ From: ! Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Top 10 On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, MARK SHEPARD wrote: > David Dixon wrote: > > > >Biggest Disappointment: > > > >Heather Nova, _Oyster_ > > [snip] > almost entirely of her music,I haven't tired of it at all.Now,anything > else I try to listen to seems bland,bland,bland compared to Heather's > music.But that's just me I guess. > > Mark Well, bland,bland,bland for *everything* else is maybe a bit much... but still, I don't think it's just you...I have a similar problem... ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:21:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: The Nields On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, ariane behrend wrote: > Heeeeeeeeeelp! > > I've looked everywhere for The Nields' 'Bob on the Ceiling'. You can always get BotC directly from the Nields for $16 American. You can call them at the tough to remember number of 1-800-5Nields (Don't forget to capitalize the "N".) You might be able to buy a few other things, but they tend to be sketchily available. Probably the recent ep, and certainly t-shirts, stickers and other paraphenalia. (Or I could buy it for you and trade it for Count Your Blessings?) Neal ------------------------------ From: f.mcguire1@genie.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 05:06:00 UTC 0000 Subject: world cafe guests Hi, and happy new year! I hope this message reaches anyone interested on time: Garbage is scheduled to be on World Cafe on Thursday, 1/4 Emmylou Harris is scheduled to be on World Cafe Friday 1/5 Enjoy! Sherry McGuire PS-I'm searching for a radio concert that was broadcast on NPR. The concert is an Xmas show, recorded in DC of Marshall Crenshaw, Marti Jones and Don Dixon. PLEASE, if anyone got this on tape, please write me. Surprisingly, WXPN passed on broadcasting this. I'll trade for blanks/postage or for a tape of your choice. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:39:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: Alanis M Hello, As said[] before: YOK YOK YOK YOK YOK!!!! (sorry) Even *she* must be tired of YOK by now. I find the rest of JLP to be pleasant. A good listen in the car, and Perfect is a pithy(no lisp!!!) statement that works for me. Not a captive of the cd player, granted, but not as hard to listen to as, say, the cold dead tunes on Songs...HZ. KrW "...and 495+1/2 feet of rope!" :Jamie Brocket ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:07:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wild Horses Female singer Hi everyone, I've been away from here for pretty much the last two months, after moving to Windsor to take a job at a 4-plex of Windsor/Detroit radio stations. Between that, the holiday rush, and commuting back to my girlfriend's place on weekends, there hasn't been much time to stay caught up on ecto, but I'm going to try to get back into the routine as much as possible. I still haven't come up with a local internet service, so I'm still using my connection back in Niagara for now, meaning the long-distance factor will keep my activity down for a while yet. Anyway, I was really taken with, of all things, a Budweiser commercial on TV tonight. It featured 60 seconds of slo-mo horses running across the screen, no announcer or indication what the product was until the very end of the commercial when the Bud logo showed up. The audio consisted entirely of a very striking version of the Stones' song, "Wild Horses", sung by a female who sounded like it might have been Alison Krauss or someone along those lines. Anyone know who this is? Thanks! Dan - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK 89X / The River dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ CKLW / CKWW -(o o)- Windsor-Detroit - -----------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:43:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Wild Horses Female singer Dan Stark inquires: > Anyway, I was really taken with, of all things, a Budweiser commercial on > TV tonight. It featured 60 seconds of slo-mo horses running across the > screen, no announcer or indication what the product was until the very > end of the commercial when the Bud logo showed up. The audio consisted > entirely of a very striking version of the Stones' song, "Wild Horses", > sung by a female who sounded like it might have been Alison Krauss or > someone along those lines. Anyone know who this is? It's Harriet Wheeler (The Sundays), from the album "Blind" (1992). *Very* nice rendition, I think. Dunno is this is reliable (their Web site has been down) but you can sample it at World Wide Music at http://www.worldwidemusic.com/cgi-bin/previewpg?72064244792+1 - -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 23:41:58 -0800 Subject: Re: rotfl (was re: Okay okay, here's mine) kerry wondered: > ROTFL=? Right on ___ ___ limit??? actually it's "Rolling On The Floor, Laughing", a term which i think comes to us mainly through irc (though i could, as always, be completely wrong :). i suppose it could be... hmm... right on the funny limit? nah. stick with the first one :) damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "I'm proud to be a banker... Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / Because I get to play with |/||\| other people's money!" http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - Arrogant Worms ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 23:42:03 -0800 Subject: Re: guide categories (was "The Return Of The Replies") woj questions: >neile sez: > >>Yes--this is exactly why we're bothering with this. If you like an >>artist, and see that we categorize her on the "alternative pop" and the >>"folk" lists you get an idea of what we think the person is like and >>other people that fall in the same rough area--so you can explore >>further. > >sort of like the "recommended if you like" entries in the cmj new music >monthly reviews? perhaps we can use that kind of categorization instead >of genre categorization? i think that's more or less what we're aiming for, but the "recommended if you like" approach is much more time consuming, nit-picky and hard to accomodate in a simple format. besides which, many such comments will appear *within* the entries, in the ectophiles' comments neile has appropriated for use in the guide. :) and the "genres" thing is more or less the same idea, only more generalised. neile's making up the categories as she goes, mainly in order to point out exactly that "if you like _ you might like _" link you talk about. remember the artists are all within the realm of ectophilic tastes to some degree or another (no matter how small :) speaking of which, i *am* going to include a "top five" sort of thing for each category in the web pages, as i mentioned before - the top few artists exemplifying the category. that is, *if* more people send me their ideas on who should be chosen to exemplify each category... *cough cough* ;) neile, maybe we should have an "artists to avoid" section as well? though of course opinions as to what should go there would differ wildly. there are at least a few people who like any given thing. yeah, yeah, kevin... don't say it. :P take care damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "I'm proud to be a banker... Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / Because I get to play with |/||\| other people's money!" http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - Arrogant Worms ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 23:42:23 -0800 Subject: Re: alanis morissette (was "my [kevin's] top 10!") kevin, >dar williams -- when i was a boy (from the honesty room) > haven't heard much of the album, but this song immediately struck me.... > wonderful lyrics make this song alone worth the price of the album. bravo! *applause and whole-hearted agreement (but then i already said this in my top whatever thingie :)* i can't get over the effect this song has on me >the "i just don't understand" section > >alanis morrisette -- jagged little pill > what's with this, anyway? i know many ectophiles love this album, > but its worth totally escapes me. boldly immature, it reminds me > very much of the "you hurt me, girl" type songs my sister used to > listen to so much when she was on her new kids on the block kick. > (IMNSHO) well, kevin, i know we've discussed this many times before, so i doubt i'm going to add much, but anyway... (btw, wrt "i know many ectophiles love this album"... you'll also note that many do not. obviously a very controversial work that does something for some, and not for others) i think one of your problems with this album is that you're focusing on one or two of the most "obvious" songs. the ones that stick out, the ones that were most popular. i find that all (or almost all) of the songs *sound* angry and psychotic (my choice of word, not gleaned from any other source *grin*), but they really aren't all "you hurt me, girl" type songs as you said. and i'd certainly never compare alanis' "you hurt me" songs to the new kids on the schlock, but... well. let me run through the songs 1. all i really want this song on the surface seems to be an angry, accusing song. and it is. but when you actually look at what's being said, although it *is* being said to a supposed second person, "you", it is a very internal song, a personal journey. i identify with this song very much actually. maybe it's just me, but i suspect that this same interpretation was in alanis' mind when she wrote it. lines like "i don't want to dissect everything today / i don't mean to pick you apart you see / but i can't help it" really strike a strong chord with me; i've gone through days and weeks and even months where i analyse and scrutinise and criticise *every little thing* i do or say or think, and these lines jangle around in my head in resonance with memories of this. "and all i really want is some patience / a way to calm the angry voice / and all i really want is deliverance" - i empathise with this all too well. she also talks about various ways she thinks might work in dealing with this; spirituality, "a soul mate"... but the mind that criticises is always too critical to accept these sorts of solutions. again, i see myself in this. then she tries to change the subject - "enough about me, let's talk about you for a minute" - kevin, i've experienced this when talking with you often, i realise that i'm forever talking about *my* perceptions and problems etc, and i'm sure you remember me all but begging you to start talking about your own so i'd shut up :) but then right away... no pause... "enough about you, let's talk about life for a while" and what is life but one's subjective feelings about it? "i'm frustrated by your apathy"... yep. anyway, i could go on, but this one description is turning into a post unto itself, so i won't. 2. you oughta know ok, this is definitely a "you hurt me and i hate you" song (gee, wasn't that a eurythmics song too? did you hate *that* song, kevin?). but even so, i find it works very well for me. what some people see as alanis' "bold immaturity" i see as a refreshing frankness; this is a rage song, and she's not holding back. someone mentioned the difference between alanis and tori with anger songs, tori lets it out in a roundabout, subtle way, and alanis just pounds it out blatantly. well, i like both approaches, and i don't think the second is invalid just because it isn't subtle. i've never been hurt in the way described here, and yet i resonate with it well. something's working. and even amongst this directness she finds room for some subtlety and wit. one thing that's recently struck me is that coupled with the idea that the singer has been "used", particularily sexually, is the accusation that "the love that you gave that we made wasn't able to make it enough for you to be open wide" emotionally, but i find the "open wide" echoes the entire sexuality theme in a way that screams to be thought about. kind of punnish too. as with many such things, who knows if it was intentional? regardless, it is there. 3. perfect this song sort of pretends to be subtle, even though it isn't. it is a "hurt" song in a way, but a very different one, dealing with the influence of a parent's way of thinking on their child. i find her voice on this track especially effective. although the song seems perhaps a bit too obvious at first glance (er, listen), it makes me think, and the awful thing is that all too often this is true, this *is* the subcurrent in a parent-child relationship. i've seen it. (not personally, thank whatever deity you chose) 4. hand in my pocket how can you say this song fits what you said about the album? i don't have much to say about it... it's a collection of often nonsensical-seeming contrasts, and i don't really understand the message, but the feeling it conveys is a positive one, the idea that things may be bad but still they're good; hard to explain but i know the feeling. 5. right through you another externally angry "you hurt me" song (the second obvious one so far, unless you count "perfect", but i really don't think you can say *that's* a kids on the block type of hurt song... neither, for that matter, is this one). this one is a pretty obvious "it's a male dominated society, and a lot of the men in it are shitheads" theme. again, unsubtle, but this one rings very true. and there's a wit here that really works for me. in the other songs too, but it surfaces here... like the idea of this man scanning the credits (of her life) for his name and wondering why it's not there. interesting metaphor, if, again, not exactly subtle. 6. forgiven i really don't have a grasp on this song yet. actually, it (especially the opening bit) really reminds me of one of tori amos' styles. but it's definitely not a "you hurt me, i hate you" song. 7. you learn this is an absolutely lovely song! the basic message is simple: "experience life"... but the presentation is, i think, just wonderful. the music is a lot of it, and the sort of "i recommend (insert cliche here)" format really evokes something for me. she doesn't say "experience things", she says "i recommend getting your heart trampled on to anyone" (experience love and loss), "i recommend walking around naked in your living room" (experience self-realisation, not depending on others' external perception?), etc. then the images of using up your time in life... "live life to the lees", if i may quote whoozis: "swallow it down", "hold it up", "wear it out", "melt it down". and finally the "you ____ you learn" chorus. you do anything, you learn. i love this song. 8. head over feet well, here's an out and out love song. no one hurt anyone here. even so, alanis manages to bring her "accusational" style to the song, which i really like; i find it an interesting and refreshing change from the usual fawning or stars-in-the-eyes approach. "you've already won me over in spite of me", "you treat me like i'm a princess / i'm not used to liking that", "i had no choice but to hear you / you stated your case time and again / i thought about it", and the absolutely wonderful mixed image "your love is thick and it swallowed me whole". basically, i couldn't help loving you, and it's all your fault. 9. mary jane innocence in the polluted shell of a woman living in the dreck of our society. a good theme, well presented, and i could talk more about it but i'm beginning to run out of steam :) 10. ironic i want to talk about this one at length, but for the above reason i'm not going to. suffice to say it's another of those negative-positive songs i love so much. instances of negative irony in the verses (quite originally and wittily done, imo), and then the generalised chorus: well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's okay and everything's going right and life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up in your face i've experienced this... hasn't everyone? just when everything's great something bad happens... but the reverse is also true. it keeps you on your toes. and i love this sudden turnaround; after all the negativity of the verses and of the first half of the chorus you aren't expecting it and then *wham*, something positive. exactly like it happens in life! 11. not the doctor hmm. something of a "you hurt me", but a weird one. more like a "this is how you percieve me, but i don't like it". again, i'll be brief and leave it at that. i just *love* the line "i don't want to be your mother / i didn't carry you in my womb for nine months" :) typically direct, but wherever have you heard anything phrased quite like that before? she manages to be unsubtle in really neat ways :) 12. wake up kevin, you should read this one. i think you'll see some of your complaints about me in it. a great song i'm not going to discuss here, 'cause i'm tired and want to go to bed the bonus track ok, it's a "you hurt me". but it's a great twist :) she *almost* had me fooled right up to the end, even *after* listening to songs like "you oughta know" and "right through you". in summary, kevin, i'm not sure you've really given the album a chance. on the other hand, i already know that even if you listen to it again after reading this and taking it all into consideration, you'll probably still hate it, because such things are essentially subjective when you come right down to it. so i'm not going to pressure you at all. i will state, however, that comparing her to the kids on the block was unfair and kind of stupid :P >writing the comments on Plague Mass sort of drained me... sorry about the >rest of this being quite short ditto with the first two tracks substituted for _plague mass_... but this should certainly sum up my opinions. this has been interesting... something of a rebuttal but also something of a discovery for myself; i hadn't thought so much about most of these songs until just now. and neile, go ahead and take anything you want for the guide ;) damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "I'm proud to be a banker... Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / Because I get to play with |/||\| other people's money!" http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - Arrogant Worms ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 02:40:39 -0600 Subject: Re: rotfl (was re: Okay okay, here's mine) At 11:41 PM 1/3/96 -0800, damon harper wrote: >kerry wondered: >> ROTFL=? Right on ___ ___ limit??? > >actually it's "Rolling On The Floor, Laughing", a term which i think comes >to us mainly through irc (though i could, as always, be completely wrong :). >i suppose it could be... hmm... right on the funny limit? nah. stick with >the first one :) Actually, ROTFL predates the IRC by a few years. I forget its exact origins, I first encountered it on online services (or was it FIDOnet?) about ten years ago, maybe more. Not sure if it migrated there from BBSes or FIDOnet or Usenet or Science Fiction Fandom. Best, ..................................................................... Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ signal-to-noise: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:21:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Wild Horses Female singer Dan Stark writes: > Anyway, I was really taken with, of all things, a Budweiser commercial on > TV tonight. It featured 60 seconds of slo-mo horses running across the > screen, no announcer or indication what the product was until the very > end of the commercial when the Bud logo showed up. The audio consisted > entirely of a very striking version of the Stones' song, "Wild Horses", > sung by a female who sounded like it might have been Alison Krauss or > someone along those lines. Anyone know who this is? It's The Sundays, from their album Blind. Very Excellent. They also have another great album. Reading, Writing & Arithmetic. Both are very highly reccomended. ------------------------------ From: "S. Lunsford & T. O'Reilly" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:08:21 +0000 Subject: Bop bop doo wop Dar Hi everyone! After lots o coffee and a good night's sleep (can someone explain why I sleep better on a 2 inch thick really old futon with a thin comforter on it in the middle of winter than I do on a gorgeously soft bed with two blankets and an extremely heavy comforter?) I'm ready to defend my Dar Is Boppy position *grin*. > >Sage elucidated: > >>4. Dar Williams - "This Is Not The House That Pain Built" > >>I admit to not being very fond of most of the songs on The Honesty > >>Room (I almost never like 'fast' songs and most of these are pretty > >>boppy) > > > >Yeah, I'm agraid I have to join in the "huh?" chorus on this one. "Boppy"?!? > > teehee... yeah, sage, c'mon... explain this to us! we're waiting :) i'm > also one of the ones with a puzzled look on his face. Um...wull...I guess I should have mentioned that what I think of as "fast" or "boppy" is way different than what most of the human race thinks of as boppy :^). I mean, one of the reasons that Duran Duran's "Save A Prayer" was my all time favorite song in junior high was because it was soooo slloooooow, kinda like all the singers had just taken massive doses of valium. There are whole musicals that I buy on cd specifically because I can't stand the comedic relief "fast" songs and love the slow duets so much. (Where my fondness for the group "Garbage" comes in, I dunno...) Anyway, so I guess the three songs that I really like a lot on The Honesty Room are: When I Was a Boy, The Great Unknown, and This is Not The House That Pain Built. I *really* can't stand "Mark Rothko Song" because of the line "...it's like you can't explain yourself to me/I think I'll ask Renoir to tea" which is such a godawful rhyme that it makes me cringe every time I hear it. Flinty Kind of Woman sounds like a country song, and I rarely enjoy funny songs unless they're on an album full of funny songs (or *wry laugh* by Ani Difranco, of course) -- maybe because I listen to lyrics so intently, but while "Dog Dreams" by The Story was hysterical the first time I heard it, now I fast forward through because it's just irritating. Alleluia is just too fast and, yup, boppy, as is When Sal's Burned Down (those of you who are on the Dar list know what I mean when I say that I will never listen to that song OR look at my mop the same way :^) ) and while I liked The Babysitter's Here the first few times, it just isn't that great sounding anymore. Maybe because all of my babysitters were of the big-hair, dumber than a rock, disliking kids kind (although we did have a rather exciting night one summer when she and her friend decided that my at-the-time-stepsister and I would come with them to see Ron Howard arrive at a local airport -- he never showed). I think You're Aging Well is too fast for me, as is Traveling Again. Blah blah blah, did I make myself any clearer or just totally weird and incomprehensible? :^) Just me, the sage one - -Sage ____________________________________________________________________ Sage, Todd and the eight feline cohorts: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net Not to mention: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ where you can fall in and spend hours. Literally. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #331 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu