From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #309 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 16 December 1995 Volume 02 : Number 309 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:25:01 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: Happy holidays, ho ho ho larne wrote: >meredith wrote: >> The mini-thread about children's shows of the 70's reminded me of a very >> bizarre thing that was on television two weekends ago: "Toonapalooza", on The >> Cartoon Network. Picture Tanya Donnelly and Juliana Hatfield singing "Josie >> and the Pussycats" >This sounds like a compilation project called "Saturday Morning." I >came across the video tape in the local Tower, and on the back it >mentioned a companion CD. I probably would have bought it too, if for >no other reason than I think Liz Phair singing "Tra La La" would make >my head explode, and The Ramones doing the Spider Man theme would >probably make at least one of my friend's head explode, and lord knows >you can't have enough exploding heads at this time of year. Sadly, >I couldn't find the CD. A coworker of mine brought this in the other day, so I know it's available in Chicago. Keep looking for it -- it's pretty bizarre! >The sad thing is I work in an office with a T1 and a few Macs and >RealAudio, and I *still* can't hear "Caught a Lite Sneeze" because >they're using a newer version of RA then we have. Yup, the Atlantic site is using Real Audio 2.0, the beta version. You can download a copy for free from RA's web site, http://www.realaudio.com. It doesn't take too long to download, and so far I haven't had any major problems with it. (in other words, it hasn't crashed my Mac yet -- although other programs seem to do a good enough job at crashing. *sigh*) ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: hinshaw@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Hinshaw) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:16:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Happy holidays, ho ho ho Meredith mentioned: >The mini-thread about children's shows of the 70's reminded me of a very >bizarre thing that was on television two weekends ago: "Toonapalooza", on The >Cartoon Network. Picture Tanya Donnelly and Juliana Hatfield singing "Josie >and the Pussycats"; Matthew Sweet doing "Scooby Scooby Doo, Where Are You?"; >Liz Phair and Material Issue on "The Tra La La" song from Banana Splits; >Violent Femmes cranking it up on "Eek Ak Oop" from The Jetsons; The Murmurs >on "Sugar" from the Archies, and many many more. All hosted from Drew >Barrymore's living room, no less. Gack. There were also songs from Sigmund >And The Sea Monsters, Speed Racer, Gigantor, Jonny Quest, and the Flintstones. >VERY strange, yes. Wow, really? I would have loved to have seen that! I have vowed that if I ever form a band, we're going to have to learn cartoon theme songs and Schoolhouse Rock tunes as part of our repetoire. :) -]I get the feeling I'm not alone in getting sucked into the whole time-sink >holiday morass that seems to be at its all-time worst this year? [...] Boy - just looked up at my clock calendar in the corner and it's only 10 days until Christmas. How weird. Sure doesn't feel like it. I'm now living in Vancouver, one of only two cities in Canada (Victoria being the other) when it essentially hardly ever snows. Instead it's been raining here with relentless drear. And it really doesn't feel like Christmas at all. k. d. lang, who lives here sometimes, once said that Vancouver is a city when it's autumn about two thirds of the year. I spent my childhood in a number of places on this planet, usually places where it snows in winter. I remember kicking the triangular wedges of slushy brown snow that hang down behind the rear wheels of parked cars on the streets of Montreal. Eating frozen icicles of maple syrup in Ontario - you pour hot maple syrup fresh out of the boiler thing onto the snow and it freezes into these long lollipop icicles. Trudging to school when the weather was minus 30, scuttling into the welcome warmth of buildings on the University of Calgary campus en route to keep warm. Winter was a time you pulled on your heavy snow boots and faded red and white striped toque, not your Gore-tex. So it really is quite bizarre to have none of those seasonal indicators of Christmas. And since I'm allergic to teevee and since I've been locked up in my room here in monastic seclusion trying to get my thesis done I haven't been exposed to too much of the usual annual torrent of Christmas decorations and saccharine holiday advertising. It was just the fact I flipped on CBC Stereo today to catch one of the endless Messiah specials on the radio that twigged me to the fact that, yes indeed, it's almost Christmas. I happen to like most of the Messiah (I mean, how can you beat "For Unto Us a Child is Born?") even if the Hallelujah Chorus is overplayed ad nauseum, so it was a fairly pleasant reminder. But it's still a kind of feeling of cognitive dissonance - chronologically it's nearly Christmas. Meteorologically it isn't. You'd think living here for the past few years would have me accustomed to the fact it doesn't snow, but apparently not. Anyway, some random ramblings for you all for this fine holiday season. In an attempt to be festive I updated one of the pages I maintain ( http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/ ) but so far it hasn't really worked. I feel slightly phoney drawing pictures of digital snowflakes when there's no snow on the ground and the mountains (which do have snow on them) are blanketed in heavy cloud anyway. Well, I guess it'll seem more like Christmas when I go to my parents' place and my sister comes home and we put up our ageing fake tree... :) - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Random replies On Fri, 15 Dec 1995 VNozick@tribune.com wrote: > On the thread about the children's shows, does anyone remember the Animalympics? > It was a Sunday morning cartoon with a bunch of animal characters competing in a > race every week. The only character I remember was a big purple ape. It's the Laff-a-Lympics, one of my favorite shows. There were three teams of cartoon characters who competed in various bizarre sports, with color commentary by Snagglepuss and one other character. One of the teams, the Really Rottens, was made up of all villains; their mascot was a dog that had kind of an asthmatic laugh. Ack! I'm having flashbacks! :) D^2 ------------------------------ From: Alana Hawk Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:33:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: I need help, please Yes, it is I, Alana...yes I still breathe...hell, I'm even on IRC every night if you look carefully...BUT, I am in need of help...well, not really so much in need of help as figuring that this is probably the wisest course of action that I could take... I would like to know what artists in entirety seem to fit the ecto mold...in about 3 weeks I'll be starting my ecto radio show and would love to get a complete picture on the scene...obviously I know most of what is considered ecto, but I'd sorta like to get a survey to make sure that I'm not missing anyone...so I would love it if you all would send me lists of those artists that you think are ecto....and would love it even more if you would give me some songs you love as well (and why you love them)...obviously I don't need any of thsi to do my show, but it would be much appreciated and I think it would help to further the ecto "genre" in the best way possible...also if any of you have anything to say about anything involving Happy or anyone else, please send me email about it, I could quite possibly read it during my show...thank you all so much... Alana. .---. .----------- ***Alana Hawk*** / \ __ / ------ "Real courage is risking something you have / / \( `-, ----- to keep on living with, real courage is risking ////// '~ ( --- something that might force you to rethink your //// / // : ; --- thoughts and suffer change and stretch consciousness. // / / /) / -- Real courage is risking one's cliches." --Tom Robbins / //..\\ exerpt from _Another Roadside Attraction_ ==========UU====UU========================================================== '//||\\` Home page: http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus/alana.html ''`` ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:53:53 -0500 Subject: Various thoughts and assundries Well, coming into work *late*, I decided to ask a few questions, and make some observations. First the questions. Finally was ablt to listen to _The Keep_ at home (I had only heard it at work on my CD-ROM drive) and it sounds great coming from large speakers - with good wattage, for those who are counting... What I want to know is: are all Happy's lyrics at ftp.wpi.edu? Or do I have that address wrong? While listening to it I was also wondering, has Happy ever been approached by the "larger" record companies? I'm just sad that she doesn't have a larger audience than she does. I feel the world is losing out not knowing anything about her. Is it just me, or do others find her vocal lower range *sexy*? Being a basso from my youth, I've always marveled at the "lower" voices, and hearing Happy is - well - almost orgasmic. And then for her to get to those upper registers! Uh, exscuse me for a minute... ;-) And now, on to the observations: From: Neal Copperman > This info was passed along and mangled a little bit on the jewel list, > but the general idea is there. I'd call clubs to verify details > though. > Wed Feb 14 Omaha, NE Nick & Eric's It's about time!! For those on the Jewel list, you know I've been "complaining" softly :-) that she never comes around this area. Heck, no one does. Although I do have a confession. The October Project came into town on a Monday night and I really wanted to go. Well, first SWMBO wouldn't let me, and then I got a legitimate exscuse: my son came down with the flu. Bummer, since I really wanted to see them. And now, since they've cancelled the rest of their tour, looks like I really missed out. Speaking of Aaron - my son - I performed a little "experiment". I wanted to see if there was any music that had any effect on him (I'm still experimenting). I've put on _The Keep_, and it didn't seem to do anything (sorry, Happy). However, I then put on Loreena's _the mask and mirror_ and he stopped what he was doing, and stared at the speakers. It's amazing the things little one's know!! :-) > From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE > Hi! Back at ya! > I get the feeling I'm not alone in getting sucked into the whole > time-sink holiday morass that seems to be at its all-time worst > this year? Like, the Solstice is next week already, and Christmas > is in ten days, and I'm going on vacation over the holidays, which > means work sucks even worse than usual, the weather is really bad > and I still have tons of shopping to do, and if anybody thinks > they're going to get any holiday cards this year they're deluded. > Just call me Scrooge. Sigh. I've been on a quest lately to find the *real* "reason for the season", not the Christian one (before you take offense, I'm Catholic - an open minded one, granted). So, this has provided some "good cheer". > Hey, got a new Nields EP today! It's called "Abigail" (after the > other Nields sister), and is only available by calling > 1-800-5NIELDS or at shows. It contains 5 previously unrecorded > songs they've been doing at shows for some time now: "Happy Ever > After Afternoon", "Cowards", "Alfred Hitchcock", "Waco Lake", and > "Goodnight Irene". Very cool stuff. They were at Wetlands last > night, but I couldn't make it. :( I heard about 5 minutes of an > interview with Neryssa and Katryna on WFUV yesterday -- they did a > completely new song that's going to be on the new album _Gotta Get > Over Greta_ (out March 5 :), and it was way cool. Wow, I love > those guys. Gee, I can see how it's going to suck being on a strict and tight budget. I really like The Nields as well, and definitely want to pick this (these) up. Looks like I'm going to have to start my own rating system. "I want this one NOW, that one NOW+1, the other one NOW+2..." > From: larnep@pathfinder.com (Larne Pekowsky) > This sounds like a compilation project called "Saturday Morning." > I came across the video tape in the local Tower, and on the back it > mentioned a companion CD. I probably would have bought it too, if > for no other reason than I think Liz Phair singing "Tra La La" > would make my head explode, and The Ramones doing the Spider Man > theme would probably make at least one of my friend's head explode, > and lord knows you can't have enough exploding heads at this time > of year. Sadly, I couldn't find the CD. I've seen this around locally. I guess that's what happens when you live in the state that M.Sweet if from. However, I still can't figure out why he isn't *more* popular here. His stuff is just so good. > > Jeffy declared: > > > > > I WANT _BOYS FOR PELE_. And I want it NOW. > > > > Gee, so do I. And I haven't heard one note of the album yet. (Anybody > > wanna get me a sound card for Christmas? :) > > The sad thing is I work in an office with a T1 and a few Macs and > RealAudio, and I *still* can't hear "Caught a Lite Sneeze" because > they're using a newer version of RA then we have. Gee...to have a graphical browser. I'm limited to lynx, the Unix text-only browser. Which brings up a pet peeve. A lot of people do not take into consideration that there exists a text-only browser. My favorite pages are those that have a "if you don't have graphics, click here for a text-only page"... > From: VNozick@tribune.com > On the thread about the children's shows, does anyone remember the > Animalympics? It was a Sunday morning cartoon with a bunch of > animal characters competing in a race every week. The only > character I remember was a big purple ape. If memory serves, one of the networks took all their 'toons, and put them into the Animalympics. If memory serves again, your ape was Grape Ape. > I'll just sit here and sadly bemoan my lost Christmas card from > Meredith... Gee, I never got one, so I guess I'm not too upset...;-) To all of you. If I don't post before the Holiday, I want to wish all a Very Merry *holiday* (whichever you worship) and a Happy (please, lot's of new Happy ;-)) New Year! Especially to Vickie, whom doesn't post that much anymore. Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "You can fight a skunk and win, but who wants to!" - Anonymous - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:35:03 +0000 Subject: Passengers -- "Miss Sarajevo" Dunno if this is core Ecto (though I'd certainly qualify Brian Eno), but does anybody know the story behind "Miss Sarajevo"? There's a video on MTV, crediting the song to Passengers, which is Eno's current band or project or something, right? And it's a live concert, with Eno (maybe somebody looking like Fripp, too?) and Luciano Pavarotti, all singing this really hauntingly pretty song, intercut with the Miss Sarajevo stage and banner, and a lot of footage of bombed-out Sarajevo and so forth. The "album" line on the MTV credit says, "Original Soundtracks 1" but I can't find a listing for it, Anybody know when/where the concert was, and how Eno and Pavarotti got together? And where I could get this on a CD? Thanks-- - -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com ------------------------------ From: tela@tela.bc.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:13:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Various thoughts and assundries At 6:53 PM on 12/15/95, Matt Bittner wrote: >What I want to know is: are all Happy's lyrics at ftp.wpi.edu? Or >do I have that address wrong? I think you mean Rutgers, not WPI. The lyrics for all Happy's albums except the Keep (at least, I don't have them) are at the Rutgers Ecto archives at http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/ecto/ and on the Ecto Page at http://www.tela.bc.ca/ecto/ Which reminds me... anyone have the time to put the lyrics for the Keep online? I haven't got the CD yet myself... - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: campdave@ptialaska.net (David Raynor) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 19:21:31 -0900 Subject: Re: Passengers -- "Miss Sarajevo" wasn't it um Bono form U2 and pavarotti that created that sond and .. wasn't it doen as war tribute song to the crisis in bosnia ect. ect. and you can prolly check with your local music store .... one that justs epciallizes in music an check around for the album and the song miss sarajevo if ya want they almost for certain could order it. .................... that is what i heard anyways ...... more info please, :> SLeD =====================================================: "Our imagination is our only limitation" "imagination is far more important than knowledge" - -einstein " life is what you make it" ============================================================= ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:21:19 -0600 Subject: The Keep at last! Indianapolis ectofans take note! Border's Book Shop (a huge store with books, CDs, and computer s/w) is officially the first store in Indy to stock "The Keep". They, along with Media Play, carry Happy's entire catalog, but neither had "The Keep" until today. I'm listening over my Mac's CD player even as I type this. It's all that the list has said, and more. Vintage Happy, nicely presented, and a collector's item even if you somehow got hold of these songs already. Thanks, Kevin and Happy! - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | gregdunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | Greg@gdunn.nawc-ad-indy.navy.mil | -- Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:57:35 -0600 Subject: Maxell point form (was Re: Maxell point catalog) Neile Graham writes > I wrote to Maxell several times for another form and they never sent > one. I hope they will honor a letter. They are rumored to have said that a xerox copy of the form is acceptable; I've scanned in a blank form and have put it along side the cd catalog. Print it out and you should have a (mediocre) "xerox copy" of the form. http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~rjk1/max-cds.html bob ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:09:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Passengers -- "Miss Sarajevo" On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Michael C. Berch wrote: > > Anybody know when/where the concert was, and how Eno and Pavarotti got > together? And where I could get this on a CD? > Passengers is an Eno/U2 project. Since it deviates from the standard U2 sound they wanted to market it under a different name. I believe Pavoratti only shows up on that one song. It should be widely available at record stores everywhere. (If it's on MTV, even Sam Goody should be able to find it.) Neal ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:12:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Various thoughts and assundries On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Matt Bittner wrote: > The October > Project came into town on a Monday night and I really wanted to go. > Well, first SWMBO wouldn't let me, and then I got a legitimate > exscuse: my son came down with the flu. Bummer, since I really > wanted to see them. And now, since they've cancelled the rest of > their tour, looks like I really missed out. OP is playing at the Birchmere in Alexandria again at the end of this month, so maybe there is hope for you yet. That is their second show there this year. This one is billed as "Somewhat More Than Accoustic", whatever that means. Neal ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:16:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: I need help, please On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Alana Hawk wrote: > I would like to know what artists in entirety seem to fit the ecto > mold...in about 3 weeks I'll be starting my ecto radio show and would > love to get a complete picture on the scene You might want to check out the Ectophile's Guide, still under construction. I think only A's and B's have entries so far, but a full index is sitting there. You can get a huge list of bands that were somehow deemed notable by ectophiles. Good luck with your show. It sounds like a great idea. Maybe you can boost your stations power enough to be heard here in Maryland? Just a thought. http://weber.u.washington.edu/~neile/EctoGuide/ectoguid.html (If you don't have web-access, I could send you a copy of the index.) Neal ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 13:26:11 EST Subject: Re: Caught A Lite Sneeze >Neile Graham writes: >> or hear the >> entire song using Real Audio (which I keep doing and doing and doing on >> my machine at work) from http://www.atlantic-records.com/Tori_Amos/ > >The way this is set up really peeves me. Basically, you can download the 30 >second samples and play it all you want, but the RealAudio file is locked >away behind a url, unaccessable without the use of the RealAudio software. Exactly, as I spent a good half hour finding out last Tuesday... :) >don't know for sure) anytime you want to hear it you have to connect >to Atlantic's site. While it does pad Atlantic's stats (which we are all >sure to see before too long), it means that you can't play it at your >leisure from a machine that is capable, but lacks a net.connection. That >is of course, unless the RA player lets you access the document and download >the file instead of playing it. But I somehow doubt it would do that. You're absolutely right; you cannot download the RealAudio file at all. A pity, because: * It's designed for the new RealAudio 2.0, which apart from anything else needs a 28.8K modem, while I "only" have a 14.4K one. If you try to listen on a 14.4 connection, you don't hear very much at all. * If it could be downloaded, people with the Realaudio 2.0 player but a slower modem could still listen to it locally. * The WAV excerpt provided by Atlantic gives very little clue to the nature of the song as it is essentially the intro and nothing much else... The PC-based link seems to load a special HTML page that then fetches the RealAudio data from a specific port on the machine. The Mac link is to something with a .ram extension, but downloading the link downloads only a "shortcut" to the actual file, a brief text file with the audio file's path name in it. But you can't connect to that path with anything except the RealAudio client itself. Atlantic are probably making it this hard for two reasons. First of all, it makes them look on the forefront of Web technology, using embedded RealAudio controls in their page so all the people using the latest bugfest, err I mean beta, of Netscape can try out their new plug-in. And second, they probably are worried about people distributing the song before it's released. Silly really, as the quality would be so low anyway... - - Anthony If >I'm wrong and someone has grabbed the RA file of CaLS and is willing to >make it available for the underprivlidged, do let me know. ;) > >grrrr, >bob > - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:47:08 -0500 Subject: October Project I finally found a used copy of _October project_ a day or two ago. I really like this! It has the feel of my favorite Renaissance albums. The flow of music and her voice work so well! Wow. I'm glad I found this used and I wish I'd bought a new copy a year or two ago. Outside the world is bare and looks as if it should be cold but it isn't. Ice and snow earlier this week and now we've got the smell of spring blowing about outside. What causes this smell? The melting of the soil? Yeah, I need to drink some coffee and wake up. Anyway, the point was that I love the October project's first album. Is there a second? Oh, also, if you're a Talking Heads fan, there's a sample of a new Byrneless Heads song. It's called "No Talking, Just Heads" and the singer on this track is Debbie Harry! I was afraid that the new incarnation would just be a repackaged Tom Tom Club but it doesn't sound like it! There's a nice dark undercurrent in this sample. The URL for the site where I found this is: http://www.bart.nl/~francey/theheads.html I'm afraid to put a period after the address so I'll babble a bit and now I'll end. brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens brad hutchinson: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us or Jill Sunderlin and brad basil@netaccess.naxs.com ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:48:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: October Project On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > I finally found a used copy of _October project_ a day or two ago. > I really like this! It has the feel of my favorite Renaissance albums. > The flow of music and her voice work so well! Wow. I'm glad I found this > used and I wish I'd bought a new copy a year or two ago. That's so funny. I'm not a big Renaissance fan. In fact, I missed ever hearing about them when they were around, but gradually came to enjoy their greatest hits discs a few years ago. Anyway, I had the same reaction to OP. They reminded me of Renaissacne, though I liked them much better. Everyone I've mentioned that to in the past has thought I was nuts though! Anyway, OP has another disc out Brad. It's called "Falling Further In". It came out earlier this year. Neal ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #309 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu