From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #296 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 28 November 1995 Volume 02 : Number 296 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "you've had all your treats and it's only 830 am, that's am" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:57:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: tarnation, gentle creatures i'm still trying to decide what to make of the tarnation album ,gentle creatures. i figured it had one good thing going for it, being 4ad, and it got a decent mini review comparing it to patsy cline and gothness all at once, if i recall correctly, in b-side. so i saw a promo copy for way cheap and snatched it up. i guess i would say it was worth the 3.99, but not much more. the female vocalist is quite interesting, if a touch twangy, and the music is good rainy day depression stuff. but there's that ole i'm an female vocalist with a whiny male guy sidekick thing that sets in about halfway through the album. i call it the brendan perry syndrome (no flames please!). anyway, it has it's moments. why did i just write a longer review than i do of albums i love??? well, as long as i'm on the ambivalence track, i don't know what to make of the christmas albums either, those being you sleigh me, and winter, fire, and snow. there are a couple of tracks (tori and bel canto) that i love, didn't have, and will put on many mix tapes. but a lot of the stuff tends towards the kind of muzak-y schlock that makes me wince at the whole season. well, that's all folks. chandra, waiting breathlessly for her copy of the keep to come into the cd store tomorrow! ------------------------------ From: elionwyr@onix.com Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:10:06 -0400 Subject: To: ecto@ns2.Rutgers.EDU General notes of response (as I have TONS of Ecto digests to read...ack!!!) Re: Dead Can Dance, and Lisa Gerrard's voice Kevin, have you seen her solo project yet? THe title escapes me offhand - I saw her in concert and was blown away by her voice (she was joined by some of the DCD crew), bought the CD, loaned it to a friend around Halloween, and haven't seen it since!..but I'd highly recommend that CD to you. Re: Jewel's "untrained" voice Irvin, have you seen her performance with Melissa Etheridge in VH1's "Duets" series? (Melissa also does songs with Joan Osborne, Paula Cole, AND Sophie B. Hawkins..an Ecto feast!) Her voice sounds REALLY good in that special.. could it be that she's one of those people who absolutely SHINES when you hear her live? (I almost didn't recognize her on VH1 because her voice sounded so much more powerful to me "live".) Re: Toni Child's "greatest hits" CD Really? She has one out? Umm...wow. I mean, I adore the woman, and "Union" still blows my socks off, but...I dunno. Doesn't seem "appropiate", if you know what I mean. Re: Maxell bonus points I was under the impression that this ended last year..is it still on? Because my mom and I have a small ton of those darn things..and if there *is* a catalog circulating, put me on th elist of those who would LOVE to get a copy! Pretty please?? Re: War For the Oaks Laurel, do you have any idea WHY the book wasn't available for so long? Two Questions: Do..Loreena McKennitt and Charles de Lint have web pages? If anyone knows them, I'd very much like to know the addresses!! And this one is a repeated question, but..when I saw Joan Osborne in concert, she did a song about..something like "If you were a fish.." some sort of darned seductive love song that was VERY hot and I VERY much liked..does anyone know the words, or does anyone have a COPY of this song? ------------------------------ From: wkadel@napanet.net (Xenophanes!) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:52:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Random observation... Milla? 'Lo there! 'Tis absolutely true that Milla is now on th' new CK 'mercial. I am ashamed to say that I didn't even realize that it was her until me sis, who is fully aware of my lit'l obsession, pointed her out ta me. She looks grt! I also read about it in some mag that escapes me now. >While performing my ritual self-inflicted lobotomy (watching TV), I could >swear I saw Milla in a Calvin Klein "Escape" ad. It had a long narrow white >hallway with a woman coming from one one direction and a man from the other. > Could someone confirm or disprove this? Xenophanes! "Sing while you may!" >:-) -- Edward Qa-Spel "Set me free, Remotivate me!" >:-( -- Martin L. Gore Edward (Ward) Ernest Kadel III wkadel@napanet.net ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:57:09 -0600 Subject: Re: War for the Oaks At 10:10 PM 11/27/95 -0400, elionwyr@onix.com wrote: >Re: War For the Oaks >Laurel, do you have any idea WHY the book wasn't available >for so long? It went out of print. 'Tis that simple. It's a pity, but tons of really good books go out of print. Many never see a second print run. Emma Bull is pretty well-known and well-respected in the SF/Fantasy field, so I'd think it'd make sense for Ace books to keep her first novel, _War for the Oaks_ in print. Besides, it has an almost cult-following. And there was/is the movie project. I dunno. Ace Books works in mysterious ways. Most of the Minneapolis area writers now are published by Tor Books (http://www.tor.com/). Perhaps because of Ace's "Stealth Book" mentality. I dunno. You be the judge. The more people buy it, and write to Ace and say "hey, cool of you to reprint WFTO" or "Why don't you reprint"... as an example... Pamela Dean's Secret Country Trilogy? The better the chances that good books will be in print. ..................................................................... Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ signal-to-noise: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:53:51 -0800 Subject: Re: >Two Questions: >Do..Loreena McKennitt and Charles de Lint have web pages? If >anyone knows them, I'd very much like to know the addresses!! yes, there is a loreena page... at http://www.wolfenet.com/~drcool/loreena/ also, check out neil's ecto home page at http://www.tela.bc.ca/ecto/; he has links set up to most of the ectoish artists with pages. damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: BINNIE@delphi.com Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:28:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #295 Re: Jewel On "Lauren Hutton and.." from: binnie@delphi.com did anyone else catch Jewel on the weirdly post-modern talk show "Lauren Hutton and..."...maybe last Thursday night? I say post-modern because of the camerawork and over-all concept. You never see the two people in one shot, only juxtapositions of real faces and then faces in mirrors and then faces in monitors. Lauren and her guests sit quite far from each other, at a long table be-decked with a fruit bowl in the middle. Lauren asks intelligent questions, reveals her feminism, humanity, etc...sometimes tries to be a bit too cool and suave and savvy for my taste, but I admire this whole effort. Jewel...Hmmmm. She's got an old-soul quality in a young girl package. She takes herself quite seriously. Her wide-ranging wisdom is a bit disconcerting. It was somehow...hard to like her. Maybe she inspires jealousy. Or maybe she seems just a bit too precious. And it's noteworthy that I don't remember anything she actually said, just an overall gestalt, a kind of impressionistic whiff. I also bought The Keep at Cutler's in New Haven yesterday. Have played five songs or so, concerted listening, then fell into a sweet and dreamless nap. I like it all so far. ------------------------------ From: mp@moonmac.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:39:40 -0800 Subject: beetles Meth writes, > Didn't watch it. Saw a bit of it on Wednesday night whilst at the laundromat > doing laundry, that was enough for me. While I appreciate the fact that > The Beatles were a profound influence on modern music and, directly or > indirectly, on the artists I admire the most, I've never been much for their > music, myself. I have the White Album on tape somewhere, but haven't listened > to it since I was in 10th grade. I have every album they released, bought when new, and yet I probably haven't listened to them since you were in 10th grade either. 8-) If I had to choose between seeing a tape of one of the Beatles movie and a tape of "Meet the Rutles" (discussed earlier) there isn't even a choice. I guess I am not much into nostalgia. They were the center of my musical life (along with the Doors...and Joni Mitchell) then but as I learned some time around Carter's election, the '60s are indeed over. I think I will go play one of my Sigue Sigue Sputnik albums. |^^^^^^Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you.^^^^^^| | mklprc@aol.com | "Give them a light and they'll | | mp@moonmac.com <*> follow it anywhere!" | | http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ | -- Firesign Theater | | No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. | \----smuggle FSF terrorist BATF (fnord) FBI nuclear Saddam PGP Clinton---/ ------------------------------ From: *kittywaaaaaail* Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:30:19 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Re: On Tue, 28 Nov 1995 elionwyr@onix.com wrote: > Two Questions: > Do..Loreena McKennitt and Charles de Lint have web pages? If > anyone knows them, I'd very much like to know the addresses!! Well, I see damon's already answered the Loreena question, and the Charles DeLint website is at: http://helios.physics.utoronto.ca:8080/delint.html It's a relatively new site... I haven't been there for a while, but from what I saw it's quite good. :) Urs (who got her picture taken with Sarah last Saturday, btw... :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail all replies to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! ------------------------------ From: Michael Colford Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jewel Appearances On Mon, 27 Nov 1995, Ariel Brennan wrote: > On Nov 27, 1995 13:20:15, '"jeffrey hanson" > ' wrote: > > >I also thought the Melissa Etheridge special was quite good. I > >agree with all the performers outsinging Melissa, except for maybe > >Sophie B. > The other singers had more power than Etheridge *and* a better voice, heh. > ;) It's funny, I thought the other singers outshined Melissa vocally too, but that didn't really matter. They each have their own particular strengths, and I was just overwhelmed by the whole concept. I thought it was fabulous of Melissa to do this project at all. It shows a terrific amount of "sisterhood" or whatever, and a willingness by someone who has made it to help out those still rising. > >Paula Cole's stage presence still kind of bothers me, but > >her backing vocals on the Armatrading track were superb. Amen. I thought Melissa did a really wonderful job doing the lead vocals on _Love & affection_ considering most of them were way out of her range. Their rendition really moved me. (It's a beautiful song anyway. > > I'm not thrilled with Paula Cole's particular act, myself. And it didn't > help that they did "Watch The Woman's Hands" which is one of my least > favorite songs off of Harbinger (never was thrilled with the chorus. Never > told us who she was, or why we need her...). But I think her voice is fine > and strong. Well, as a Paula Cole fan, I have to say I thought she was terrific. And (not to be contrary) _Watch the woman's hands_ is probably one of my favorite Cole songs. I was disappointed when I saw Paul live that there was no one to sing the harmony part on that particular songs chorus. Now, here's Melissa to do just that! As for the 'her' in the chorus, I think she's just referring to women in general, and how we really should treat women as a whole a lot better, because we really need her, etc. > Jewel's stage presence annoyed me as well, though. She seemed to be > shrinking her shoulders into her head... and those faces... and though I'm > thrilled that they did "Foolish Games" (my favorite song on "Pieces Of > You", bar none), I kinda thought Jewel massacred parts of it with her > cutesy voicing. I was particularly impressed by Jewel. Although I really liked "Pieces of you" it wasn't until this past weekend (The Wizard of Oz and Duets) that I really appreciated how talented she was. She and Melissa doing "Baby you can sleep while I drive" was really beautiful. They really put a lot of emotion into it. It looked like two women really in love singing with one another. Quite beautiful, IMHO. Ditto, "Foolish games." I guess I'm just a sucker for this kind of show. No, it wasn't perfect, but these are 5 women who probably have never worked together before, so there are bound to be some rough spots. I hope they release a CD of the concert. Well, enough of my ramblings. (Hey, wouldn't it be great to see Happy on a show like that?) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:07:17 -0800 Subject: Cecilia (I'm down on my knees) I recently picked up a copy of Voice of the Feminine Spirit by a woman named only as Cecilia. She has a riveting, classically trained, soprano voice, combined with wolf howlings, Amazing Grace for the whales, and other captivating ecto content. Reminds me of Loreena a bit, at her most spiritual. Does anyone know anything about her or if she has other recordings out? Has she already been discussed and I just wasn't paying attention? She is Norwegian-born. The recording includes Tim Wheater's flute and compositions and others with some impressive credits: Raphael Preston, Stuart Wilde, Mark Smith. I'm also wondering about Jane Roberts. "Secrets" has minimal lyrics, but fine sounds anyway. Unfortunately it contains only 9 tracks, about 35 min worth. She was born in East Germany, now living in the US (I guess. Is that America?), but the music comes from Canada, as usual. Harmonies and vocal wanderings, reminiscent of Sheila Chandra, except much more digestible, i.e. western, I guess. New agey stores sometimes have interesting music. :) ------------------------------ From: hyams@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:17:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jewel Appearances hey folkses... I enjoyed the Etheridge special, even though I agree with most of you about voice quality and such. Seems like Sophie unnerved M.E. a bit - I thought it was funny! As for Paula... she is an incredibly strong singer - She has to be seen at one of her own shows to be appreciated properly... really! }8-> She's like an amazingly fluid panther. and very passionate.. I wasn't that impressed with her bit on that show - I think that since it was only one song, she didn't have warm up and such and possible intimidation with all the other singers. (she really holds tight to her outcast status, ie. read her lyrics and interviews) I'm definitely more a fan of her live show than her recorded work. OH Yeah! if anyone is interested on the latest Jane Siberry cd innerworkings I can fill you in on a few tidbits. Bryan Blade is a close friend of mine (the drummer on some of it). He met her in Canada at a festival. He was performing with Daniel (lanois) at the same event. This lead to Bryan bringing his friend(bass) and recording what he considers " a whole lot of sketching." He said that she didn't actually sing on anything during the sketches recorded. Apparently all of the song work was done after most of the recording. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> "..music that is ready to eat." DUBMISSIVE 'ZINE collier hyams "..interesting reggae-rock sound."SHANACHIE RECORDS hyams@alpha.nsula.edu "..great feeling for reggae/world music." BANGZINE INTERNATIONAL DUB CORPS album entitled "WONDER WHERE YOU ARE" available from: CMC@1-800-882-4262/BIG EASY DISTRIBUTION@1-800-322-4439/TOWER/BLOCKBUSTER/etc. ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:03:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Jewel Appearances On Nov 28, 1995 08:24:08, 'Michael Colford ' wrote: >> The other singers had more power than Etheridge *and* a better voice, heh. >> ;) > >It's funny, I thought the other singers outshined Melissa vocally too, but that >didn't really matter. It wouldn't have mattered to me if I didn't kind of dislike Melissa's voice anyway. I have this thing about scratchy voices. >Amen. I thought Melissa did a really wonderful job doing the lead vocals on >_Love & affection_ considering most of them were way out of her range. Their >rendition really moved me. (It's a beautiful song anyway.) I liked the song enough to add Armatrading (sp!) to my list of "to buy"s. But again, I'm not a fan of Melissa's voice. I rather like her songs, and I do have one album of hers, but her voice has always left me cold, I guess. >Well, as a Paula Cole fan, I have to say I thought she was terrific. I love her voice. I even like the way she usually acts onstage. But her arm thing during the chorus bugs me. ;> >And (not to be contrary) _Watch the woman's hands_ is probably one of my favorite Cole >songs. I'd have to go with "I'm So Ordinary" as my favorite. Followed by Bethlehem and Saturn Girl. But I don't really listen to any of the other songs... I loved her cover of Jolene and this new song she performed back in March.... >I was particularly impressed by Jewel. Well, we don't agree on much, eh? Heheh. I thought she had the best voice of the bunch, but I can't stand the way she carries herself onstage, and I *really* can't stand her vocal whatevers. >She and Melissa doing "Baby you can sleep >while I drive" was really beautiful. They really put a lot of emotion into it. I did like that, yeah. >It looked like two women really in love singing with one another. Okay, well, I didn't get that... To me it looked like a woman singing and another woman making cute faces while singing along. >Well, enough of my ramblings. (Hey, wouldn't it be great to see Happy on a >show like that?) Well, I thought about that as they were up there, and then I said to myself, "But who would have the humility to sing a duet with Happy?" I know I wouldn't... ;> Ariel - -- "If I admit to all my madness then so must you" Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ From: veronica sawyer Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Tower Tally - D.C. ectophiles only hello my lovelyblueflowers, On Sun, 26 Nov 1995, Mike Matthews wrote: > For those that are keeping track of which music stores have what selection > of Happy's CDs: > > Tower Records, Rockville MD -- go with what Jeffy said, because they failed > the parking lot test (I refuse to shop at a place whose parking lot [mall > wide] was so chaotic even police direction failed to make it any more > hospitable than a zoo without cages) > ... for those who are in this part of the world: ok, the parking lot at that Tower is a nightmare, but when i'm in town i always drop through there nonetheless... personally i find the store to have a half-decent selection of ecto-stuff, though i guess they probably are weak on up-to-the-minute releases. maybe i'm biased 'cos it used to be "my" Tower back when i lived in that part of the world. and oh, if you don't want to drive there it's a short walk from the Twinbrook Metro stop. and the reason i mention this at all is that while you're there... go south a bit on Rockville pike and you'll soon hit the new Blockbuster Music, which i stumbled upon during it's opening night and was pleasantly surprised by. it's located at rockville pike and nicholson, just north of: the Borders Books and Music Superstore in White Flint. mmm mmm big, and though still *mostly* books, well worth a quick browse. the latter two stores are close to the White Flint Metro stop... and on the off chance your bank account still has some fight left in it, there are a couple of small used cd places a short way north of Tower, but i'll leave the finding of those as an exercise for the reader ;) sparklybright hugs & watersprinkle kisses, veronica ------------------------------ From: Neill Griffin Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:11:11 +1100 (EST) Subject: Lucia Hwong - Secret Luminescence (a resend) Greetings ectophiles, speaking as we are about old groups (yeah, yeah, yeah) and hard to get CDs, I've been quietly trying to track down Lucia Hwong's second album 'Secret Luminescence'. It was released on the 'Private Music' label but has been deleted :-(. Her first album 'House of Sleeping Beauties', which I have, is still available. If anyone has seen it in their CD shop travels, I'd be really keen to get hold of it. Thanks Neill ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:54:06 -0500 Subject: The Keep Well, visiting my folks in Cleveland sure helped finding _The Keep_. I first went into a Borders looking for it, and they said it was on order - an order that was placed on 13 Nov. Heh, yea, right. Anyway, I found it in a Best Buy, at $11.99 - plus they were having a 5% off all CD's sale, so I got it for $11.39 - not a bad deal! The first time I listened to it I was impressed - as were three of my friends that have never heard of her. Needless to say, I have two and a half converts. Two and a half? Yep, one of the people said that it was a good disc, but wasn't there style. Well, what does she know, anyway? One of the other two said she was going to get it "tomorrow", and the other ended up taping it. Hey, at least he'll listen to it. Heck, even my mom and dad liked it. My sister wasn't too impressed - she's currently into Alanis - but she'll come around. I really enjoy TK. Especially her lower register. What, would you say she has a three-octave voice? Hmm... Anyway, while I was there I also caught a song by a group called Poe. Anybody know of them? Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?" - the Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:40:03 -0500 Subject: server down and missing mail Our server did something weird over Thanksgiving break and left all of VAPEN without mail. Thus I didn't get the ecto digest for the 23rd to the 26th. Does anyone have any copies of these digests that they could forward to me? And, to those of you I promised the Vess/Gaiman thing--they will go out to you soon. I swear! I've had this weird post office avoidance thing for a week or so! busy busy busy. brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens brad hutchinson: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us or Jill Sunderlin and brad basil@netaccess.naxs.com ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:39:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: no mail today? Hello, Anybody there?????????????????????????????????? KrW "...and 495+1/2 feet of rope!" ------------------------------ From: Anthony Kosky Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:14:29 -0800 Subject: Rutles trivia David Dixon (D^2) wrote: >Mid-70's, actually. The real genius behind the Rutles songs is Neil >Innes, of Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band fame. He just NAILED the Beatles >essence with those songs. The more you know about the Beatles' music, >the more you'll laugh at the Rutles tunes, which are packed full of >references. In fact the Rutles album was a spinoff from a sketch in an excellent but short lived BBC TV comedy series in the mid-70's called "Rutland Weekend Television", which featured several people from the Bonzo Dog Band. (I don't think Vivian Stanshal was involved, but it was a long time ago, and I probably wouldn't have known who he was if he was). The sketch, as I recall, was a parody of a BBC documentary about the Beatles, and started with the journalist in Liverpool (or was it Rutland?) leading the way down a dark back alley to The Cave, where it all began. In the Rutles version the journalist started walking faster and faster, and eventually running, in order to end up at the entrence of the Cave by the time he finished his monologue. Later the documentary covered the Rutles conquest of America, where they met Bob Dylan who introduced them to the pleasures of drinking tea, thus starting their transformation into a psychedelic hippy band, and their eventual decline. At the time I remember that the Rutles business caused a significant resurgence of interest in the Beatles in England: considerably more so than the documentary that they were originally parodying. (I'm sure everyone needed to know all that) - -Anthony (wallowing in childhood memories and nostalgia) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #296 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu