From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #258 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 25 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 258 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ecto & Other Mailing Lists I dunno how anyone else feels about this, but I KNOW I'm on way too many mailing lists. Some I feel are essential to my life (ecto, of course), some I'm on simply because I don't want to miss any info (really deep thoughts). We've done this in an uncoordinated way for a while, but I'd really like to have a reliable transfer of info from various mailing lists to ecto. I'm not saying to repost discussion, but tour dates, new releases, other news items. This would mean someone on ecto and on the other list would take responsibility for doing this (meaning they are the ones to repost info and will find someone to do this for them if they have to unsub, etc.) Depending on the list, they might want to tell people they'll be passing on that kind of info and that kind only, something like that so that the usual misunderstandings don't happen when someone notices someone regularly reposting info. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone if interested in this idea. Anyone willing to coordinate it a little (not me if at all possible--I have my hands full with too many mailing list and the Ectophiles Guide but I'd be willing to act as rep for a couple of the mailing lists I'm on). There are a couple of natural suspects--meaning ectophiles who run other lists, too. So what does everyone think? Good idea? Stupid idea? I have too much of an organizing mania? - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:20:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Susan Court Neile Graham sez: >Go and listen, and tell me what you think. And order her tape so she can >afford to continue her work in the studio. I wanna hear more, ok? ;) the lovely (reputedly) mike peskura mailed me a copy of her demo tape many moons ago...like many records, discs and tapes in the house, it's languished on the floor waiting for me to catch up with ecto et. al. and post a review. well, i'm still not caught up, but i wanted to throw in my voice supporting neile: susan court is nifty! the tape i have has four tracks. "chameleon" is pretty poppy and doesn't leave much of an impression to me. the second track, "fundevogel" is a magnificent tale with a hauntingly familiar melody and nice synth pads. the last two tracks, "senses out" and "floodletting," are similar to the second, but don't hit me as hard. one thumb up from me. woj ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:29:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Ecto & Other Mailing Lists Neile Graham sez: >We've done this in an uncoordinated way for a while, but I'd really >like to have a reliable transfer of info from various mailing lists >to ecto. I'm not saying to repost discussion, but tour dates, new >releases, other news items. good idea, and one i've been thinking something along the same lines as well recently. (can you guess that i'm also dealing with a huge e-mail crunch?) i'm not sure that the best way to go about it is designating liasions between lists, but that's a workable approach. an idea i like better would be a news-only mailing list. yeah, i know: another mailing list. however, if it is widely advertised amongst the female artists mailing lists, it could succeed. one thing is, it'd need a home and i can't supply one. there's also the problem that people might not use it even if they know about it. hmmm. woj ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Keep-ing up w/. .. Hello, Has anyone found The Keep at any venue other than direct? I may be a bit solipsistic, but I can't be masochistic enough to have this held just out of my Tantalus-reach for too long, can I? *Wait*!! I must be, I've never met KaTe, Happy, etc... KrW "How many are we?" ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:41:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: re: Femme Music 2nd post w/ edit: Hello, I have the Femme Music collections: 3+4: Voices and International. Grace Darling, AkiKo Yano, Miharu Koshi, and West India Company all reached into my head and either "plinked" or "TWANGED" the guy wires that connect my ears to my heart. Someone out there could do me a favor by telling[] me more about them. KrW Sob! Wail! Poor me! ------------------------------ From: abehrend@Direct.CA (Ariane Behrend) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:58:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Ecto & Other Mailing Lists Neile wrote: >I dunno how anyone else feels about this, but I KNOW I'm on way too many >mailing lists. Some I feel are essential to my life (ecto, of course), >some I'm on simply because I don't want to miss any info (really deep >thoughts). > >We've done this in an uncoordinated way for a while, but I'd really >like to have a reliable transfer of info from various mailing lists >to ecto. I'm not saying to repost discussion, but tour dates, new >releases, other news items. > >This would mean someone on ecto and on the other list would take >responsibility for doing this (meaning they are the ones to repost info >and will find someone to do this for them if they have to unsub, etc.) > >Depending on the list, they might want to tell people they'll be passing >on that kind of info and that kind only, something like that so that the >usual misunderstandings don't happen when someone notices someone >regularly reposting info. > >Anyway, I was wondering if anyone if interested in this idea. Anyone >willing to coordinate it a little (not me if at all possible--I have my >hands full with too many mailing list and the Ectophiles Guide but I'd be >willing to act as rep for a couple of the mailing lists I'm on). There >are a couple of natural suspects--meaning ectophiles who run other lists, >too. > >So what does everyone think? Good idea? Stupid idea? I have too much >of an organizing mania? I think it's an excellent idea. I've finally decided to limit myself to only ecto and the dar-list and that's plenty for my taste. I'd still like to be informed about other lists however and think that coordinating this in some way is a great idea. I'd be willing to try to take on this task. I was thinking that everyone who wants to participate could send me a list of the ecto-related lists they're on over the next couple of weeks. At the end of that time I would cross-reference these and assign certain lists to certain people. These people would then be 'officially' responsible for informing the rest of us about that particular list. If you don't hear back from me, someone else has been assigned your list and you don't need to repost anything from it. Those who decide to unsubscribe at a future time could then inform me and I would check the original lists to re-assign that one to someone else. Does this make sense? Good idea? Stupid idea? Any suggestions on how to do this differently? If you like the idea, start sending your 'list lists' to me at the address below... (I'll be the Dar Williams rep :))... ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ariane Behrend ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Vancouver, Canada ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ The waves are perfect and the sun will always shine, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ But there's got to be more to death than surfing all the time ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Dar Williams ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apologies re: Susan McKeown & The Chanting House Well, once again I have to make a public retraction. A couple of weeks ago Meth posted to the list asking about Susan McKeown and The Chanting House, saying she'd heard some songs on the radio and liked what she'd heard and was wondering about the album. At the time I responded, saying I didn't think much of it, but liked a couple of songs. Well, guess what album I've been obsessing over for the last couple of days. Yup. _Bones_ by Susan McKeown etc. I guess what put me off at first was the singer-songwriter stuff. And the fact that I thought I wanted more traditional stuff. And maybe the fact that this is subtly crafted stuff, that takes a little listening to to hear properly (at least for me). What I thought was standard contemporary folk isn't at all--there are all kinds of trad echoes and contemporary echoes and edgy echoes, and damn I like this disc. The "Westron Wynde/Westlin Winds" song is still my favourite, though. I'm glad I listened again. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Grace Darling Kerry was asking about several people/groups on the Femme Music Collections. Well, I can tell you a little about Grace Darling. First off, there is only one disc by them but two versions of it. Rather like Lisa Germano's _Happiness_ I assume. Anyway, I have the C'est La Morte version of it. I gather Woody from C'est la Mort is still around and will sell discs if he has them, so if someone has his current address in Oregon maybe the could post it. It's a strange and wonderful album--if you like what's on the Femme Music Collection, you'll like the album. The only comparison musically I can think of is equally obscure (I think)--Hugo Largo. Anyone? - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re: Femme Music for Kerry I found more info for Kerry--I forgot I had saved the notes Vickie posted about these tapes (Vickie are you out there? Say hi--we miss you!) re: West India Company: "These songs flow into each other so there's not way I could separate them, even if I wanted to (which I didn't.) The second song was used in the video I have of La La La Human Steps...the woman singing in the video is *not* Asha Bhosle. It might be Priya, but I don't know for sure." re Miharu Koshi: "I need to do a Japanese sampler sometime. It was hard to choose between Miharu, Akiko Yano, Sandii & the Sunsetz, Sonoko and a bunch of others. Thanks again to IED. He used to be heavily into female Japanese vocalists and sent me a couple different samplers of them." Vickie's note on Akiko Yano just says "And now, for something *really* completely different...." Hope this helps a little. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:31:28 +0000 Subject: re: Femme Music for Kerry On 24 Oct 95 at 19:24, Neile Graham wrote: > I found more info for Kerry--I forgot I had saved the notes Vickie posted > about these tapes (Vickie are you out there? Say hi--we miss you!) > > "These songs flow into each other so there's not way I could separate > them, even if I wanted to (which I didn't.) The second song was used in > the video I have of La La La Human Steps...the woman singing in the video > is *not* Asha Bhosle. It might be Priya, but I don't know for sure." La La La Human Steps have a video?! The only footage I've seen of them was with David Bowie (the "Wrap Around the World" version of "Look Back in Anger" and the stuff projected during the Sound and Vision tour) and I'd love to see move of them. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Moving Hi Everyone, I just thought I'd let you all know that I have a new job and new town to call home, and will be moving soon. As of November 20th, I'll be Senior Producer at a group of Detroit radio stations that include Modern Rock 89X, and the ever-so-ecto AAA station, The River. So I get to leave the Ozzy and AC/DC behind, and contribute to some stations that have been favorites of mine from a fan's point of view for a while (though I've actually liked my current station's rock format too, as I have some pretty varied taste). Anyone within earshot of Detroit will know The River as the station there that plays Tori, KaTe, Sarah, Natalie etc., and even Happy. It's a real thrill to get to work there...I've listened to it for hours on end whenever I've visited friends in the area. That's it. I must go start throwing things out that I don't want to move. Cheers, Dan - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- - -------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: Stephen Golden -27100 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 05:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dar Williams in London Hey folks, I was just wondering if anyone is going to the London Dar Williams concert on the 1st of November? I've been constantly jealous of all the fantastic Ecto-like concerts I've been missing while I've been out of New York, and when I saw Dar was playing here ( though I don't know her music, but I've been assured by fellow Ectophiles that it's great ) I knew I had to go. But, I can't seem to convince any of the few people I know to join me. So if you're in the London area and are interested in going, please let me know! - -- Stephen anxiously awaiting his next trip back to pickup The Keep. goldes@fw.gs.com ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 03:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: End All, On Tuesday (10/24), Emily and I split up-- not amicably, I'm afraid to say. I am moving out of our apartment as soon as I can secure housing, and I am staying with friends until then. I'll let you all know my new address and phone number as soon as I'm settled. Until then, if you need to reach me, you can do so either via email or by phone at work: (510) 486-6817. This parting saddens me greatly, but given recent events it is the only way. Dave Dixon ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:15:02 cdt Subject: October Project Well, October Project won me over last night. I've had the first album when it first came out, and bought the second one right after it came out, but still wasn't wildly enthused about them. I loved the music but there was something about Mary Fahl's voice that I just found annoying--it always sounded a little forced. But last night's concert at The Metropolitan in Minneapolis (I think it's my new favorite concert venue--a gorgeous place!) won me over. Mary's voice is really quite unique, and I think now I'll just be able to take it for what it is, instead of trying to compare her to others. The highlight of the evening was Be My Hero--which built to a pretty electrifying energetic high-point. She was also tickled because they had recently found out that Anne Rice had said she liked the film version of Interview With the Vampire, but that she didn't like the closing Guns n' Roses theme song and that they should have used October Project's Take Me As I Am, (which is apparently based on the novel--a fact I didn't realize). Opening for October Project was Jane Kelly Williams, a Georgian singer/songwriter who plays guitar and keyboards, and had accompaniment of an upright bass and Urbano Sanchez of October Project on percussion. She seems like a very sweet, shy, Southern girl who was extremely polite--the crowd couldn't help but be nice to her, but I wasn't overly impressed with her performance. They were giving away cassette singles of both her and October Project,and I found her recorded performances to be a little better. The last song she did, Carry Him, I found to be pretty powerful, but she just didn't have much energy--still a little too shy I guess. Anyone heard her album? Also got to meet Cathy and Kevin from the list--though I didn't get much of a chance to speak with Kevin. Oh well, maybe next time. It really was uncanny how we all ended up recognizing each other at about the same time. Always great to meet more ectophiles. Don't forget Twin City ectophiles--Jewel will be performing Thursday and Friday at First Avenue, opening for Catherine Wheel and Belly. I'll definitely be at Friday's performance, and may be at the Thursday show as well, if they let me cross-over from the 7th St. Entry prior to Heather Nova. Let me know if any of you plan to go. The Friday night show is an early-all ages show--Jewel is supposed to go on at 6:00. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: "Christine Waite" Date: 25 Oct 1995 12:56:40 -0400 Subject: Please unsubscribe -( Subject: Time:12:58 PM OFFICE MEMO Please unsubscribe :( Date:10/25/95 Howdy all...I'm moving so I won't be on this list for a while... please unsubscribe me. ------------------------------ From: Date: 25 Oct 95 12:52:14 EDT Subject: Neile's idea I had also been thinking about what Neile suggested before she suggested it. In fact, I pretty much am already relying on Ecto for this type of information, since I unsubscribed from Love-hounds and Folk_Music (although I know I'm missing stuff by not being on F_M but at least the concert listings are (supposively) on musiCal now). Love_hounds is pretty much a barren field (save the periodic tape tree). I've never read RDT, but am always interested in hearing what the latest is with Tori. I have never even attempted to subscribe to the myriad other lists for individual artists that I like, and ecto has pretty much always satisfied my need to know, thanks to people who are by default already doing what Neile suggested. Neile's idea is good in theory. But relying on one rep to provide LH info, for example, might end up that others who wanted to post on something they read in LH might refrain. Thus the danger is that the flow of info, however relevant or irrelevant, might be impeded somewhat. I think the way we have it now -- where everyone posts news on their favorite artists (e.g. I would post any Aimee Mann stuff I heard that I thought was important, because I think she's awesome and everyone needs to know this :-), and I know that the Milla guy, Mike ?? would do the same with her, etc. etc. etc.) is working pretty well. All I would do would be to open the policy up by stating explicitly in the ecto manifesto that "people are encouraged to provide whatever informational data (i.e. tour dates, concert reviews, CD recommendations, etc. etc., but esp. things that others of us probably don't know, i.e. tour dates) they feel is relevant or that matters to them, about whatever ectolytic (in the most general sense -- i.e. of interest to other ectophiles) artists and music they deem germane." - -mjm ------------------------------ From: ydd@dcs.ed.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 20:17:37 GMT Subject: Mary Black in Edinburgh/New Capercaillie/Maire Brennan If some ectophiles are going to Mary Black concert in Edinburgh next sunday and want to meet a fellow french ectophile currently on a work trip there, please e-mail me (that was a long sentence! :-) ). You can email me even if you don't attend the concert, I'd like a lot to discover this city with someone who knows it already. Capercaillie new album called "To the Moon" was released last monday. They gave a little concert at the Virgin megastore in Edinburgh for this occasion. Short (20-30 mns) but quite good. I'd recomend the album, too. It's my favourite by them, I've never been a big fan but this CD is excellent. Same kind of music as usual, i.e. celtic with sometimes ethereal vocals and at other times more rock. Quite close to Clannad. Speaking of Clannad can someone tell me if Maire Brennan second solo album is good. I bought her first last week-end because it was a low price and I like it a lot. Is the second similar? - -- Yves. ------------------------------ From: Date: 25 Oct 95 17:54:13 EDT Subject: stephanie Miller Apparently, Jonatha Brooke is the guest on Stephanie Miller's syndicated talk show on Oct. 30. Anyone know when/what channel this is on in Chicago? - -mjm ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:49:04 -0400 Subject: jane siberry on wfmu i just finished listening to jane's appearance on wfmu this afternoon. while the stereo timer worked and started recording right on time at 1pm, jane and her band we a little late, starting around 1:15. as a result, about 10 seconds of "goodbye sweet pumpkinhead" were lost when the tape flipped itself over. ah well. she played caravan, my mother is not the white dove, honey bee, goodbye sweet pumpkinhead and lovin' cup. interspersed throughout was some chat with deejay formerly known as irwin chusid (a most clever and knowledgable host whoi is amongst my favorite 'fmu dj's). unlike the northampton gigs, where most songs were fairly faithful to the recorded versions in sound, this set featured much more weirdness and was less recognizable as "jazz." this effect was probably enhanced by the bass and trumpet being mixed down and the piano sounding off-key. still, i really like these versions (though, i guess, that is to be expected... ;) we also taped jane's appearance on wfuv tuesday night, but i haven't listened to all of it yet. will report later. woj ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:02:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Grace Darling Neile Graham sez: >First off, there is only one disc by them but two versions of it. Rather >like Lisa Germano's _Happiness_ I assume. hmmm. i could be wrong, but i think they are the same: if i remember correctly, c'est la mort just re-issued the same recording under their label. that was a long time ago, so i really don't remember... >Anyway, I have the C'est La Morte version of it. I gather Woody from >C'est la Mort is still around and will sell discs if he has them, so if >someone has his current address in Oregon maybe the could post it. woody's address is still cestlamort@aol.com, though he's burned out on the record label thing. as neile says, he will sell anything he has in stock, but releasing new albums is not in the plan. i shuld call him to say hi sometime, if i do, i'll ask about the grace darling albums. >The only comparison musically I can think of is equally obscure (I >think)--Hugo Largo. grace darling reminds me more of the equally obscure skinnerbox than hugo largo. at least musically since grace darling uses mucho synths where hugo largo uses basses and violins. however, they do share sonic space as both are fairly quiet, intense and dark. woj ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #258 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu