From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #248 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 12 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 248 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Comments on Steve's post about the Nova/Folds concert I have to correct one point of what Steve said about our assessment of Ben Folds Five: Jim and I actually liked Squeeze a lot. At least in the 80s. What I didn't like about Ben Folds Five: their beat and general sound had two modes that were always the same and you could predict when they would move from one to another. I actually found the lyrics annoying so I had to stop listening to them. I dunno, overall the band just sounded immature to me, even though musically they were fairly together for what they were doing. Somehow I could see them on Happy Days or something. Just seemed boring and "aren't we regular guys but look at me standing on the piano!" pretentious to me. I guess the worst part of Ben Folds Five for me was comparing them to Suddenly, Tammy!, who have the same instrumentation but manage to make it sound quirky and individual and their songs work against the rhythmic expectations they set up. I love that. (I can't say their lyrics are particularly brilliant, though they're frequently interesting.) Suddenly, Tammy! also comes to mind because Steve said the concert was the only time he'd ever had more fun listening to the opening band than the main act. Suddenly, Tammy! was the only time I've ever gone to a concert and left before the main act. If we had had time to go to the Low/Soul Coughing show last weekend though, we would have done the same thing. Also, Mike Peskura and Keven Hinshaw (both among the quieter ecto participants) were at the concert. Heather was great live. When I first got to the show I was complaining about the lack of chairs--then when Heather came out I totally forgot that I have been up since 5:30 a.m. and it was now 11:00. What a voice! She makes it seem so effortless. It was also fun being about 3 feet away from her while she sang. I don't think we'll be able to do that much longer. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: dbucak@netaxs.com (Deniz Bucak) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:48:49 -0400 Subject: October Project >Just thought I'd put in a quick mention at how good October Project >was last Saturday night in Boston. The place was packed, and the band >got an overwhelming response from the crowd. They seemed a little >stunned (I certainly was - I had no idea there were so many enthusiastic >Oct. Proj. fans out there!) Mary Pfahl has an incredibly powerful voice >live and the harmonies were terrific. The touring band is beefed up >by a drummer, bass player and extra guitarist. Too bad there was so >little room on the stage, I would have liked to seen more movement. >Ah well. Terrific show! I saw October Project at the WXPN singer/songwriter event in Philadelphia last year and they were terrific in concert. I've wondered about one of the songs ever since though and I thought somebody out there might know. I swear they played a song that is also on the Loreena McKennit (sp?) album that was released that year. Was I imagining this or is it something traditional that they both cover? I don't have either album and I'm not really familiar with them so please excuse me if I'm being obviously idiotic (most of the time I listen to Cranes/My Scarlet Life/Area/Black Tape for a Blue Girl type stuff. And Happy of course.) - - Deniz dbucak@netaxs.com "Cognito ergo es - I think therefore you is" Robin Williams in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen ------------------------------ From: ptv@rtp.scm-metals.com (Patrick Varker) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:00:13 -0400 Subject: Lisa etc. Sorry it's taken so long to post this but I saw Lisa Loeb on Sat.Sept.30th in New York at a grand opening of a HMV Music store(on Broadway and 34th).She was doing an in-store for her new release "Tails". She did about a thirty minute acoustic set and then signed for as many people as she could(probably about 150 people).She was all alone as I understand Nine Stories has all been fired. She is currently trying to put together another band so she can go out on the road. I picked up her cd as I was somewhat impressed with the 8 or 9 songs she did that night(luckily I was also one that got her to sign). I had only heard "Stay" previous to that. I'd say anyone that enjoyed that song won't be disappointed with this new material("Stay" is also added since it had only been released on a soundtrack(Reality Bite's I believe). Her guitar playing was pretty respectible and her lyrics pretty catchy. On Thursday Sept.28th I was at the Bottom Line for two shows by Bryndle(a group I mentioned several weeks ago in my very first post). While taking in their second show I discovered Phoebe Snow(how's that for a name from the past?) and afterwards I got to chat with her. For anyone interested she said she is currently working on some new material and hoping to get a record deal sometime soon. Oh yes other recent purchases include Emmylou's "Wrecking Ball",which I highly recommend, and an artist by the name of Toni Price. Her new project is called "Hey" and I also recommend it to anyone that's into the Austin music scene(i.e Lou Anne Barton,Tish Hinojosa,Marcia Ball,etc.). The band she has backing her is really good and most of the lyrics tear me up. It's mostly an up-tempo cd but the ballads(3 or 4) are some of the best I've heard in awile. I stumbled upon this at one of those listening booths and picked it up right away! I wish I could say I have "The Keep" already but unforunately I did not send my order to AG and now I must eagerly await the 17th. What a "HAPPY" day that will be!!! Patrick ------------------------------ From: "Stuart P. Myerburg" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Kate Bush page? Here are two of my favorites: http://scott.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~rjc/hyper_cloud/cloudbusting.html http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/garden/index.html The first one also has links to a number of other Kate sites. Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Michael Pearce wrote: > I just remembered that I have no link to Kate pages anywhere. Does anyone > have recommendations? > > Michael > > |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| > | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | > | mklprc@aol.com | "Give them a light and they'll | > | mp@moonmac.com | follow it anywhere!" | > | http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ | -- Firesign Theater | > | smuggle FSF terrorist $400 million in gold nuclear Serbian Clinton | > ------------------------------>((^o0o^))<--------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:38:03 -0500 Subject: Laurel's Virtual Home has moved... Sorry to clutter the list with this, but I know a number of ectophiles have links to my homepage. It's moved, and Iway hasn't really provided a link to point to it's new location. :-( This seemed the fastest way to get the word out to everyone... So Sage, squid, Neil, et al... the new URL for my homepage (Laurel's Virtual Home) is: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/index.html Also of note to ectophiles, signal-to-noise, the Flash Girls Mailing list, has a webpage that I maintain. It's at: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ Good news is these pages shouldn't move for quite awhile. I hope to have my resume and other new stuff on my webpage by the end of the week. Finally. :-) Best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ Flash Girls list: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ Seeking webmaster or other position in Mpls or South Dakota... ------------------------------ From: Steve VanDevender Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:25:05 -0700 Subject: Re: sleepy in Seattle Martin G Bridges writes: > De-lurking after a while to protest: > > > >Neile and Jim, on the other hand, hated Ben Folds Five, saying > >they sounded too much like some 80s band called Squeeze that they > >also hated. I have to admit that they (Ben Folds Five, not Neile > >and Jim) have moments of bubblegum pop sounds that aren't my > >usual taste. But this is the only time I've ever had more fun > >listening to an opening act than the main attraction. > > SOME 80s BAND????????? One of the greatest British bands of modern times! > I'm not one of their hugest fans, but am stung into response by that > throw-away insult! OK, they're not so good since Jools Holland left, and > he's much better solo than they are (/were?), but nevertheless, to write > sthem off as "some 80s band" fair makes my blood boil! > > Cheerio, > > Martin > > PS. Don't worry Steve, I'm not really pissed off, just mildly annoyed! Hey, I'm not the one who said I hated Squeeze. And I said "some 80s band" only because I really don't know anything about them. Maybe if you hummed a few bars I'd remember one of their popular songs, if there were any here in the States. ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:14:57 -0400 Subject: the DC Lisa Gerard show... ...must have had a pretty big impact on my dad. I dropped by his house today and sat down at the computer. On a hunch, I opened up the CD player he keeps in that room, and sure enough, 4 days after the show, he still had _A Passage in Time_ in there. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:24:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Laurel's Virtual Home has moved... >Sorry to clutter the list with this, but I know a number of ectophiles have >links to my homepage. It's moved, and Iway hasn't really provided a link to >point to it's new location. :-( > >This seemed the fastest way to get the word out to everyone... > >So Sage, squid, Neil, et al... Hmmm. Seeing squid and the web mentioned in the same pseudo-breath reminds me of something I've been meaning to post about for a couple of weeks. Not too long ago, someone inadvertantly brought to my attention the fact that a review I wrote of a DC Sarah show was somewhere on the web. Being made very curious by this, I tracked it down, and found the review, originally written for ecto, on squid's web page. Now, I'm not particularly upset that my stuff is being reposted. After all, the same review is also available through the Web via the ecto archives, wherever they are. I think I was more annoyed that the web page squid put it on says something to the effect that the review was "submitted by" me, and frankly, that's just not true. And in re-reading the review, it's clearly angled at ecto readers, particularly in the long description of Paula Cole's opening set. If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? Jeff (who, many months ago, was cruising through a web site in scandanavia on kiting, and was pretty well shocked to see a scan he did of a kite he made used as artwork on an intro page!) ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:10:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [none] Hello, I just bought Dark Adapted Eye, Danille(sp) Dax lp for $2 because of you guys and now I have to go back for the $2 Jesus Egg Wept Tears(1 read of title hours ago, could be wrong). Look at the trouble you cause! KrW "They said it couldn't be done but sometimes that doesn't work either" ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Laurel's Virtual Home has moved... On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: > > If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much > flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! > > Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? > I agree completely on this. I'll almost always say "sure, go ahead" when someone asks me if they can take something I wrote, but there are times when things are written for a specific audience, and applying it to another audience doesn't make as much sense. If I'm motivated, I'd prefer to rewrite the comments. If I'm not, I'd ask them to. But either way you should have that option. (Then again, it does seem to be an intrinsic part of the cut-and-paste, forward at will, internet community to have little respect for the "rights" of the original writer. I'm certainly guilty of this too. Many times have I forwarded portions of letters without asking. Is it just the fact that the medium so lends itself to that sort of activity? I'd certainly never cut a piece out of a snailmail letter and send it to someone else. ) > Jeff > (who, many months ago, was cruising through a web site in scandanavia on > kiting, and was pretty well shocked to see a scan he did of a kite he made > used as artwork on an intro page!) > Did you at least get credit for that? NEal ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:15:40 -0600 Subject: The woman bass player According to a review of the Bowie concert, the female bass player with the great voice has the name of Gail Ann. Now to see if I forget it again! brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:18:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Kate Bush page? At 7:58 AM on 10/12/95, Michael Pearce wrote: >I just remembered that I have no link to Kate pages anywhere. Does anyone >have recommendations? There are links to a number of pages, including "the garden" run by the estimable woj, at: http://www.tela.bc.ca/ecto/ectophilia/other.pages.html I can't reach the Australian sites, though whether that's because there are problems with the transPacific link right now or the sites are gone completely I don't know. There are also a number of other ectophilic artists on this page, as the title might suggest! - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:26:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Laurel's Virtual Home has moved... At 1:38 PM on 10/12/95, Laurel Krahn wrote: >the new URL for my homepage (Laurel's Virtual Home) is: Well I'll shamelessly take this opportunity to plug my list of Ectophile home pages once again! :) Here's the URL: http://www.tela.bc.ca/ecto/ectophiles/ If you have a Web page and want it listed, drop me a line! (or if you don't have space for a Web page and want somewhere to put a small one) - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: "Stuart P. Myerburg" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The woman bass player Yes, I just discovered this as well. Her full name is Gail Ann Dorsey. Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > According to a review of the Bowie concert, the female bass player with the > great voice has the name of Gail Ann. Now to see if I forget it again! > > brad > > Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. > --Wallace Stevens > > bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us > > > ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:05:41 -0600 Subject: Re: The woman bass player Ah, I wondered what kind of last name Ann was! I guess the reviewer knew her really well? ;) brad >Yes, I just discovered this as well. Her full name is Gail Ann Dorsey. > >Stuart > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu >Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu >Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart >___________________________________________________________________________ Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: veronica sawyer Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: being republished (was Re: Laurel's Virtual Home has moved) hi there ectophellows, On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Neal Copperman wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: > > > If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much > > flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! > > > > Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? > > I agree completely on this. I'll almost always say "sure, go ahead" when > someone asks me if they can take something I wrote, but there are times > when things are written for a specific audience, and applying it to > another audience doesn't make as much sense. If I'm motivated, I'd prefer when i've been asked i've always given permission, though i have Neal's feeling that sometimes my comments won't be too clear to anyone but the original intended audience. > (Then again, it does seem to be an intrinsic part of the cut-and-paste, > forward at will, internet community to have little respect for the > "rights" of the original writer. I'm certainly guilty of this too. Many > times have I forwarded portions of letters without asking. Is it just > the fact that the medium so lends itself to that sort of activity? i've seen things go two ways. my private email gets treated as such... i don't forward parts of it without permission, and i expect the other person to do mostly likewise. i'm not perfect, so i've messed up at times (& felt very bad about it), and if something i write is particularly private i'll be sure to ask that it not be repeated, because i don't know up front how the other person handles such things. but basically i expect private email to remain mostly private. public messages, on the other hand... i wouldn't expect things i post in public, here for instance, to be immune to forwarding. and i don't even expect to be notified or asked for permission, though (hats off to Neile) i'm pleased when it happens. and in the middle? lately i fond out that some of my pseudo-poetic grammarcidal trancematic blankversical ramblings (on an irc type of thing) had been saved and sent in private email. i was flattered, and i don't mind, but it was a little eerie. i'm not sure what my expectations were in this situation. hmm. > > Jeff > > (who, many months ago, was cruising through a web site in scandanavia on > > kiting, and was pretty well shocked to see a scan he did of a kite he made > > used as artwork on an intro page!) > > Did you at least get credit for that? i'd be shocked too, but if it was credited i don't think i'd mind.. > NEal kisses hugs & love, VERonica ------------------------------ From: "jessica" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:39:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Laurel's Virtual Home has moved... On Oct 12, 6:01pm, Neal Copperman wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: > > If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much > > flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! > > > > Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? > I agree completely on this. Me too - I like to be asked. Someone wrote me email a few days ago to ask if he could printout some of my drawing and put them on his office wall. I hadn't even gotten around to putting up a notice to ask that people do that yet. This guy just felt it was the right thing to do and I think so too and really appreciated it that he asked. Of _course_ I didn't mind and I was very flattered. But it was definitely important to me that I was asked. > (Then again, it does seem to be an intrinsic part of the cut-and-paste, > forward at will, internet community to have little respect for the > "rights" of the original writer. I'm certainly guilty of this too. Many > times have I forwarded portions of letters without asking. Is it just > the fact that the medium so lends itself to that sort of activity? I'd > certainly never cut a piece out of a snailmail letter and send it to > someone else. ) Actually, I think it's less that the medium lends itself towards the activity of cutting/pasting/forwarding, than it is that the medium lends itself to the distribution of a lot more information of more different types. If email didn't exist, and a friend wrote me a snail mail letter and included some photocopies of funny comics he'd seen and thought i'd appreciate, and some quotes he'd thought I'd like, and some pointers to articles that are interesting, I might forward the new information i'd gotten on to others I knew that I thought might like it - be it in-person, by phone, or via another letter. If wouldn't be likely to share the personal aspects of the letter with anyone but people of SO status in my life. I often forward via email things i've received electronically that fall into those sorts of categories, but I rarely forward information of a more personal (or possibly copyrighted) nature and when I do so i'm very aware that i'm doing so - and generally have asked permission first or am sending it to an SO. I certainly do agree that the medium makes it a lot easier to send out information you shoudln't neccesaarily without thinking - but if you think about it, how many of the things you've forwarded in the past have been personal (to you or the original sender)? Or do you really find that the ease of the medium makes you less likely to consider the difference in the types of content .. it all does tend to look the same on some level after a while. --jessica ------------------------------ From: piquet the cat Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:42:20 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: The woman bass player On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > According to a review of the Bowie concert, the female bass player with the > great voice has the name of Gail Ann. Now to see if I forget it again! Yow, yow, yow! Gail Ann Dorsey!!!! (Well, I don't see who *else* it could be. :) ) She toured with the Indigo Girls a little while back and, apart from playing what I'm sure must have been killer bass, sang backup on at least one song - a cover of Gladys Knight and the Pips' "Midnight Train To Georgia".... *sigh*... Oh, and if anyone out there in Europe has heard anything about a recent release of a CD called "Redemption Dreams" by Band de Soleil from Atlanta, with 4 extra tracks including a 11 minute cover of 'Cortez the Killer' w/ the IGs, please please please email me and I'll gladly trade you blood, money or my firstborn kitten... :) HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAGE!!! *HUGHUGHUGHUGHUG* We all love you very very much, dammit! :) sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au "Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's okay and everything's going right... And life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up in your face..." - Alanis Morissette, "Ironic" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #248 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu