From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #243 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 6 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 243 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 19:54:44 EDT Subject: Re: Black specks on CD surface? :/ >> I don't think all CD's are supposed to "die", but there was a problem >> with some early discs, and evidently one manufacturer in Europe somewhere >> used a bad process that allows discs to deteriorate over time. I've heard >> this has since been rectified. > >The manufacturer that had the problem was PDO UK. They will supposedly replace >CDs they pressed which subsequently "go bad", if they determine that the >problem is due to a manufacturing defect. They do. My housemate had a faulty PDO CD that was noticeably rusting. He rang PDO in the UK and asked to be rung back; they did, were unfailingly helpful, asked for the title and the other CD pressing info from the disc, then sent a brand new one, no questions asked, which arrived by airmail from the UK to Australia in a mere THREE DAYS! I think PDO win the Best PR Department Award for this decade... :-) Incidentally, it's unlikely that PDO would have pressed the Kate Bush CD (EMI have their own plants in the UK and Europe). - - Anthony "The new Ultravox album is *awful*" Horan - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:55:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Tidbits > On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, David Dixon wrote: > > A thumb piano, also known as a kalimba >>Neal adds: >>mbira is another name for it. >> And, then, Maggie: >> As I understand it from my spoose (who was an ethnomusicology major as an >> undergraduate), they can be tuned to some extent, if one has a pair of >> pliers to push/pull the keys with, an ear or other method for tuning by, >> and a great deal of patience. I suspect that most of the ones out in >> stores either don't come well-tuned, or stay that way too long, and the >> less expensive they are, the more individualistic they're likely to be. > As the proud owner of a two-level kalimba/mbira/thumb piano (the list does go on)I fell compelled to add to this. The one I have is tunable (and it's not such a task, as it was designed to be tuned and re-tuned). I'm unaware of a "correct" tuning system, and have, rather, approached mine ergonomically; which is to say, I place consecutive pitches on either side of the center so that I can play an ascending or descending scale by alternating left and right thumbs (rather than having to play the first notes on the left and the last notes on the right). The ends of the tines are anchored by a screw-down bar which can be loosened for tuning and then tightened so they don't slip while playing. The face is mahogany or some other politically incorrect wood (hey, it was a gift, allright!?) and the face is attached to half of a more or less (more more than less, come to think of it) hemispherical gourd. The gourd has holes on the right and left which can be (un)covered by the index fingers thus changing the tone and the volume of the notes (more so the higher pitches). I haven't tested the instrument to determine absolute ranges etc, but the upper set of tines (approx 12) are shorter and more suited to the higher pitches (imagine a church organ and compare the upper and lower keyboards, or compare the one keyboard with the bass pedals). Overall, a very well made instrument which my SO bought for me in Mystic Village, CT...about $50, I think. I have since seen similar tops mounted to rectangular wooden boxes (rather than to gourds) and have even played a few in the stores, but none sound as good as the one Kathy bought for me (she played all they had and listened for the best sounding one, as is her wont). Tunability allowed me once to make the kalimba Walter-proof.... I explain: Walter, Steve, Jim, and I were playing a show in the upper chamber of an old stone church (playing to the people who were milling about below and checking out the artwork). Walter does not read music or understand scales, and, for technical reasons, he was going to have to use the kalimba (rather than any of the others of us who were running around playing guitars and drums and other Reich-ian things). So, I tuned all the tines to the same four pitches and placed them so that all he had to do was alternate right and left thumbs and move his thumbs towards or away from the center... If he was even close, the melodic pattern would be right (i.e., big targets, many possible right choices, simple playing pattern). I've only chosen major and minor scales so far, but I'll probably mess around with some pentatonic, some chromatic, and some other more exotic tunings in the future. Oh, did I mention that I have an electronic tuner which makes tuning the thing a breeze? | chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) || http://www3.uchc.edu/~chris/ | "It looks like freedom but it feels like death. | | It's something in between I guess. | Leonard Cohen | It's closing time." | | ------------------------------ From: veronica sawyer Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Terms of Venery On Fri, 29 Sep 1995 art@cs.sfu.ca wrote: > [...] > > - an eccentricity of ectophiles > > - an ecstasy of ectophiles > > - an economy of ectophiles > > - an ectomy of ectophiles. wow Art, you got all these and yet somehow you missed - - an eclectique of ectophiles? ;) not to imply that we're cliqueish (quite the opposite i think) but the linguistrick was too tempting to pass up. ;) > And now, back to lurking, > Art Liestman for my part i'm back to reading the 680 messages that piled up whilst i was on holiday... ectoverload! :) summer girl dreading winter, veronica ------------------------------ From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:38:42 CET-1 Subject: another brief appearance of ... Oh dear, does someone remember me? It's been quite a while since I last posted, and my file of unread ecto mail is getting bigger and bigger. But I'm trying hard to keep up. Really! Also, I've started to update Happy's discography again, which got a bit neglected. Just a short update today... before all the last news are completely outdated. Biggest news first... I can now announce that Claudia has finished her Ph.D. (in Statistics, Epidemiology being her field), and an excellent one as well. We're both very relieved now, as you can imagine. Unfortunately this also went with a change in job for her, so she's now living in Mainz during the week, which is about 250 km south of Wuppertal. Unfortunately my announced short visit to the US disappeared as fast as it came up. The colleague who was to go and insisted he couldn't, changed his mind the day after all bookings were made in my name. It's a pity we couldn't have had that ectoparty in Chicago. But don't you worry, I'll return some other time. :) In the last weeks we were lucky to see the Rainbirds in concert. They are a trio now; Katharina and Ulrike joined by an extraordinary drummer. On both concerts we saw, they almost completely played songs from the new album, which will be recorded this month and is scheduled for a release in January. There will be some wonderful songs on this album! Our last concert was to see Lisa Gerrard in Duesseldorf, and the experience was breathtaking. Like others have noted, it doesn't quite live up to a Dead Can Dance show, which surprised me a bit, but it surely is a show which is not to miss. My favourite albums for the last months have been the new ones from Jane Siberry and Natalie Merchant, both artists I had problems with when I first heard them. The times are a changing. Well, that's it for today. Returning to fine tune the White Wooden Website I remain... ...Klaus PS: if someone's interested in postcard size stickers with the picture from the last album of Bobo In White Wooden Houses, let me know _____ Klaus "Cosmic Vagabond" Kluge --*-- klaus@inphobos.wupper.de "I look around and try to turn the darkness in my eyes to light" BoBo in White Wooden Houses ------------------------------ From: hyams@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:42:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Janes says jazz Amy and all, About that new Jane Siberry... I good friend of mine, Brian Blade, just finished up working with her. By chance,is his name in the credits? Brian is primarily a jazz drummer from New Orleans (for the time being). Just wondering... Amy, where is all that dough flowing from? Tell us how to cultivate. (g) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> "..music that is ready to eat." DUBMISSIVE 'ZINE collier hyams "..interesting reggae-rock sound."SHANACHIE RECORDS hyams@alpha.nsula.edu "..great feeling for reggae/world music." BANGZINE INTERNATIONAL DUB CORPS album entitled "WONDER WHERE YOU ARE" available from: CMC@1-800-882-4262/BIG EASY DISTRIBUTION@1-800-322-4439/TOWER/BLOCKBUSTER/etc. ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:56:59 +1300 Subject: Re: Black specks on CD surface? :/ Hi everyone... thankyou for the replies... > Incidentally, it's unlikely that PDO would have pressed the Kate Bush CD > (EMI have their own plants in the UK and Europe). Well the information I could find about the disc was: CDKBVOL1 CDP7952382 } on the CD 'booklet' (just a folded BIEM/MCPS } piece of card with four 'pages') MADE IN UK LC0542 } CDP7952382 AR4 : 3 : 1 } on the disc itself EMI SWINDON } (I forgot to note the date) Presumably CDP7952382 is the catalogue number, (with CBKBVOL1 being some sort of alternative) I don't know what the BIEM/MCPS, the LC0542, or the AR4 : 3 : 1 bits are. I assume Swindon is where EMI's pressing plant is. I don't suppose this is of much help, especially as it would seem that PDO weren't involved, but I'm hopeful that something will turn up... Philip ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: GOD Production Hello, on Oct 5th, Ariel responded: > I don't think so; Tori has said in interviews that she did the song that > way because that's what it demanded. I didn't feel that way until I noticed the differences between earlier concerts and after UTP. The crowd 'persona' seemed to change and the loudest roar was for GOD. I _did_ think about those folks who, on hearing the _rest_ of UTP, might be disappointed because the only Tori they were exposed to was GOD on the radio and MTV, segued between current rock hits. > IF YOU DON'T RESPOND BY 3 AM TOMORROW....!!!! > > Oh. No Death threats? Sorry. :) The sexist in me (nurture your inner kallidascope[sp?]) didn't think an offer to *respond* by 3 am from an angellically-nomed female was all that threatening! 8} Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:33:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Boojum Hello, 1st I got Boojum from The Hunting Of The Snark. Then, in a Fred Saberhagen Berserker novel, a UFO is checked out and if it is the bad guy, the word went out,"Our snark is a boojum!" A Greg Benford SF ('sci-fi' is pronounced "skiffy") novel had a UFO tentively(sp?) called Snark. Roger Zelazny (R.I.P.) had a Boojum hassle Corwin in the 2nd Amber series. Then came the Mike Batt cd based on the poem. KrW "Eat me." Alice in Wonderland + Addams Family Values ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:40:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Boojum Hello, 1st I got Boojum from The Hunting Of The Snark. Then, in a Fred Saberhagen Berserker novel, a UFO is checked out and if it is the bad guy, the word went out,"Our snark is a boojum!" A Greg Benford SF ('sci-fi' is pronounced "skiffy") novel had a UFO tentively(sp?) called Snark. Roger Zelazny (R.I.P.) had a Boojum hassle Corwin in the 2nd Amber series. Then came the Mike Batt cd based on the poem. KrW "Eat me." Alice in Wonderland + Addams Family Values ------------------------------ From: mp@moonmac.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:57:51 -0700 Subject: Re:he'p me ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) writes, >On Oct 01, 1995 23:19:00, 'Jason and the tiny curly girl >' wrote: > >>the system I'm hosting my lists from, webcom, is chucking lists in a >>couple of >>weeks and I need a place to move mine. Most of the systems I've seen are >>either quite pricey, or charge by list, which would mean chucking some of >>the >>lower traffic (and more ectoish) ones I have. So does anywhere have a >>suggestion where I could move them to? > >I was wondering about this one too. Which is to say, does anyone know a >reasonably priced system that allows lists? Teleport.com in Portland charges me $15/month for standard IP account, which includes 5 megs storage for my Web pages, ftp, etc. They do allow/support listservs. All are included in the standard charges. I think they have a cheaper rate for telnet-only accounts. For more info, send mail to support@teleport.com. I feel lucky to live in a town with at least three providers that are reasonably priced. But Teleport is (imo) the best of the bunch in terms of access, features and tech support. They did not even charge for the domain name setup (except for a $50 filing fee, which goes to interNIC, as we all know now thanks to the press release. By the way, InterNIC is now run by a bunch of heavyweight ex-spooks (CIA, FBI, Nixon's bunch, etc.). For info, mail me. | mklprc@teleport.com; pmug.org; aol.com - who needs a life? | | Moonlight Mac Services (503) 653-5673 <-> help for new Mackers | | Online support $1/min any problem -- support@moonmac.com | | Interesting rants &such at http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ | ------------------------------ From: That Stafford person Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:57:53 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Re: Janes says jazz On Fri, 6 Oct 1995 hyams@alpha.nsula.edu wrote: > I good friend of mine, Brian Blade, just finished up working with her. By > chance,is his name in the credits? Brian is not only mentioned in the credits, he's also on the album! Take a good listen to "mary had..." when you get the chance. :) Urs. :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail all replies to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 10:55:58 cdt Subject: Jane S. and Holly C. After listening more closely to Jane Siberry and Holly Cole's new releases, I've noticed some interesting things. From the first listen to Jane's album it was obvious she's been influenced by Holly--notably in the arrangements. But has anyone else noticed Maria ends with "Here I Go", and Temptation starts with "Here we go"? Just a strange little thing I just noticed. The other interesting is that I wasn't that impressed with Temptation when I first bought it. The first time I listenened to it, it all seemed too monotone--not enough variety. THen I've been listening to it since on my 6-CD player, randomized with whatever else I've had in it--and my opinion of it didn't change much. But lately, I've had it at work and been listening to it straight through, and have absolutely fallen in love with it. I think its my favorite album of hers, though I still can't get too excited about the song Temptation. And Jane's Maria just keeps getting better and better--as all her albums do on repeated listening. The only thing I miss on this album is her self-harmonizing, and layered vocal tracks. Oh My My is the only track that really does any of this. I also finally noticed the note in the booklet that says several of the lyrics are "recognizably inspired by songs known and loved". Obviously there's Puff the Magic Dragon, and Mary Had a Little Lamb, as well as a few of Jane's own--with lines like "And you scan the horizon" and "Oh my sweet sweet darling". In "Would You Go", the line "There's a hole in the roof where the rain comes in", is obviously reminescent of The Beatles "Fixin' a Hole" (I'm fixing a hole where the rain comes in..and keeps my mind from wanderin).. "The long and dusty road"is also reminescent of The Long and Winding Road. I'm sure there are others, but now that I've listened to it so much, it's hard to pick out what sounds familiar from other songs, and what sounds familiar just because I've heard it so much. Anyone else have others? Perhaps there's been discussion of this on siblines. I've been thinking of joining that, but feel guilty enough about the volume of mail I'm already getting. How heavy volume is it? Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:04:25 -0400 Subject: RE: GOD Production On Oct 05, 1995 19:10:37, 'kerry white ' wrote: >I didn't feel that way until I noticed the differences between earlier concerts >and after UTP. The crowd 'persona' seemed to change and the loudest roar was >for GOD. Well, yeah, but that doesn't neccessarily mean she wrote it for MTV. That just makes sense; she wrote a hit, got popular. So of course, there's gonna be a change in atmosphere between unknown times and known times, and of course the cheers are going to go to the hit song. Doesn't neccessarily mean she wrote the song FOR MTV, just that the MTV people reacted well to it. >I _did_ think about those folks who, on hearing the _rest_ of UTP, >might be disappointed because the only Tori they were exposed to was GOD on the >radio and MTV, segued between current rock hits. They probably were. I bought UTP on reccommendation having heard only God, and only once. I was majorly surprised and none too pleased at first. Then I got used to it and started to like it. But I kind of feel like the musical style of God and Cornflake would've fit better on Little Earthquakes, where everything wasn't so... quiet. :) >The sexist in me (nurture your inner kallidascope[sp?]) didn't think an offer >to *respond* by 3 am from an angellically-nomed female was all that >threatening! 8} Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:05:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: Tori + names Hello, On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Ariel Brennan wrote: > They probably were. I bought UTP on reccommendation having heard only God, > and only once. I was majorly surprised and none too pleased at first. Then > I got used to it and started to like it. But I kind of feel like the > musical style of God and Cornflake would've fit better on Little > Earthquakes, where everything wasn't so... quiet. :) When Little Earthquakes was brought to my attention, it was ,"..a lot like Kate..", which I totally disagreed w/ , and as I listened to it w/out Kate in mind it grew on me. I find that I like the 'B' and 'C' sides of the singles more than the album cuts (either album). > >The sexist in me (nurture your inner kallidascope[sp?]) didn't think an > offer > >to *respond* by 3 am from an angellically-nomed female was all that > >threatening! 8} > Well, hmph. Don't let my name get in the way of intimidation factor; I > could well be an ill named 6'5" female kick boxing champion. ;) As it > stands, I'm ill named anyway. ("Vampira" would be more suited, considering > my wardrobe...) > > -A > At least you're not an "Angellica", "Angelique", or "Seriphima"! 'Tho, Ariel could pass for a Valkyrie, a tougher image than ephemeral-wings and *goody-2-shoes* w/halo! Re: your wardrobe: how about "Wednesday"? KrW A rose by any other name would be confusing. ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:01:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Tori + names On Oct 06, 1995 13:05:37, 'kerry white ' wrote: >When Little Earthquakes was brought to my attention, it was ,"..a lot like >Kate..", which I totally disagreed w/ , and as I listened to it w/out Kate in >mind it grew on me. I find that I like the 'B' and 'C' sides of the singles >more than the album cuts (either album). Well, geez, I have yet to understand the Kate comparison. ;) I like the B-Sides just as much as the album cuts, in most cases (well, there are a few I don't like, like Flying Dutchman and Home On The Range). In the case of Under The Pink, I prefer the singles to the album cuts as I'm not nuts for the album. I mean, I am, but I like LE much better. >> Well, hmph. Don't let my name get in the way of intimidation factor; I >> could well be an ill named 6'5" female kick boxing champion. ;) As it >> stands, I'm ill named anyway. ("Vampira" would be more suited, considering >> my wardrobe...) >At least you're not an "Angellica", "Angelique", or "Seriphima"! True! I knew someone named Angelique.... gorgeous name, but definately not me... Then again, neither is "Ariel". ;) I think my soul is named "Natalia" or "Selene". Not sure which. :) >'Tho, Ariel >could pass for a Valkyrie, a tougher image than ephemeral-wings and >*goody-2-shoes* w/halo! Re: your wardrobe: how about "Wednesday"? Naaaaah, not into Addams Family names... I've always intended to change my name. I think I will. Selene... But then I'd have to change my last name too. "Selene Brennan" doesn't have "the ring", you know? :) >A rose by any other name would be confusing. I think so. :) - -A ------------------------------ From: Date: 06 Oct 95 17:35:18 EDT Subject: Harry Nilsson Tribute I picked up a copy of this lately to get that One Aimee Mann song (yes, I do need to be locked up soon, thank you). Here's the listing with my not-so-humble comments: Various (Harry Nilsson Tribute) For the Love of Harry: All Sing Nilss 23 77:08 Randy Newman/Remember 02:22 -- ok Marc Cohn/Turn on Your Radio 03:55 -- dead ringer for Peter Gabriel! Aimee Mann/One 03:01 -- brain-alteringly awesome! Fred Schneider/Coconut 05:06 -- sucks Joe Ely/Joy 03:58 -- sucks Ringo-Stevie Nicks/Lay Down Your Arms 03:25 -- sucks Beckley-Lamm-Wilson/Without Her 04:28 -- sucks Lavern Baker/Jump Into the Fire 03:36 -- sucks Steve Forbert/The Moonbeam Song 03:30 -- sucks Peter Wolf/You're Breakin' My Heart 01:53 -- sucks Jennifer Trynin/Mournin' Glory Story 02:55 -- excellent Al Kooper/Salmon Falls 04:42 -- ehh Victoria Williams/The Puppy Song 03:20 -- brilliant Marshall Crenshaw/Don't Forget Me 03:31 -- pretty annoying Brian Wilson/This Could Be the Night 02:30 -- less annoying Jellyfish/Think About Your Troubles 02:42 -- oooh, I like this one cos Mathilda Santing did it on Breast and Brow -- so I *have* heard one of these songs before!!! Bill Lloyd/The Lottery Song 02:25 -- whimsical Ron Sexsmith/Good Old Desk 02:06 -- oddly entertaining Adrian Belew/Me and My Arrow 03:12 -- ok but very silly Richard Barone/I Guess the L-rd must be in NYC 02:40 -- oddly familiar, but I don't know why... Roches-Mark Johnson/Spaceman 03:41 -- ok John Cowan/Don't Leave Me 03:56 -- ehhh Jimmy Webb/Lifeline 04:02 -- sucks To be candid (could I be *more* candid?) I had never heard of Harry Nilsson until I heard Aimee had a song on his tribute CD. And I fail to see based on this album why he is so legendary, though I do like the song One a heckuvalot (and did even before Aimee covered it). Other than that I have never heard any of these songs before, that I can recall, and do not feel at all deprived, really. In fact, it's not that all these artists are so bad (well, they're mostly mediocre), but in this case also that the songs are generally just horrid. To its credit, the CD does pack a mean 23 tracks into a near-max 77:08 minutes. Well, I guess that's something. I have yet to dig my teeth into Encomium, which I hope is not as en-coma-ating as harry's. - -towingtheectopartylineandbeingalltoopredictable?mjm ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #243 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu