From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #238 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 30 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 238 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Stark Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 03:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: David Bowie's _Outside_ Joseph Zitt wrote: > They say this is the first of a three-album contract. I hope > Bowie, once done getting this one out of his system, delivers, > in the further discs, music that is this fascinating coupled > with content that is more humane. I believe it's actually the first of a three-album trilogy. I haven't really heard much of it, not being a fan of anything Bowie has done for many years, but I'm quite sure the story told in this new one is supposed to continue for two more CD's. Dan - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK ***NOTE*** dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- NOW IN EFFECT! - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: tela@tela.bc.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 01:16:03 -0700 Subject: Happy news. This just arrived in my mailbox, addressed to the keeper of the Ecto page: >Hello, >just thought you would be interested to know I just interviewed Happy for my >radio show Internet FM, on WRPI, 91.5 Troy and played a cut from her new >upcoming Album called The Keep, a compilation. I also have an article on her >in my magazine, The MESH - Inside Cyberspace, October issue. The radio show >will air on Oct 11th, the paper is out Oct 6th. You might want to alert her >fans. > >don rittner >publisher - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada phone: (604) 254-1002 * email: tela@tela.bc.ca web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 02:35 PDT Subject: Re: my last message > ...for the snark *was* a boojum, you see! is this something from moominland? is it? is it? i *loved* those books to pieces :) tove jansson (is that right? it's been so long) is a great writer, even in translation. *especially* in translation i'll wager... the moominbooks always had that lovely translated feel to them :) take care damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: Phillip Clark Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:38:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: New Happy CD I have just seen the new Happy CD "The Keep" mentioned as a compilation. Does anyone have a track listing and will there be much/anything new on the CD that Happy had not released before ? Apologies if the answers have already appeared and I've missed them ! Phil Clark ------------------------------ From: chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:02:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Fuzzy Blue Raincoat Neal wrote, >Also, I saw a new Leonard Cohen tribute album called Tower of Song >(different from the one a few years ago, I'm Your Fan (?) ). It had Tori >singing "Famous Blue Raincoat"!!!! My favorite LC song! Has anyone >heard this? Heard it!? I played Peter Gabriel's version of Suzanne on my show the other day... In a strange incident of principle synchronicity, I use "Anthem" from The Future as my theme.... so, after poking around in the new arrivals, and discovering Tower of Song, well, in it went and the rest is history...not interesting history, mind you, but history, nonetheless. chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson)| "It looks like freedom but it feels like death; it's something in between I guess." ------------------------------ From: Sam Murgie Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: pile of philes? According to Michael Doyle: > And it got me thinkin. Thinkin with that part of my brain I'd be better off > without... > > gaggle of geese, pride of lions, pod of whales... > > ...pile of 'philes? float of ectos? > > comments? > smoe of ectos? *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Sam Murgie | "Confusion will be my epitaph..." | | smurgie@ansys.com | (Pete Sinfield) | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: Michael Stevens Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: pile of philes? On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Sam Murgie wrote: > > According to Michael Doyle: > > And it got me thinkin. Thinkin with that part of my brain I'd be better off > > without... > > > > gaggle of geese, pride of lions, pod of whales... > > > > ...pile of 'philes? float of ectos? > > > > comments? > > > > smoe of ectos? > Oh noooooo! Not the s-word again! :-) Quickly, before the s-word thread rises from the grave, my suggestions for "a _____ of ectophiles" are: 1. "strand," from looking at the cover of _Ecto_ 2. "menace," from all the Happy monsters! 3. "pose" or "poise," from... gosh, I dunno. These suggestions contain no deliberate editorializing. Your story may vary. - --Michael ................................................................ "Ma-blu-ectric (ma-blu-ectric!) Ma-blu-ectric (ma-blu-ectric!)" Michael Stevens mjs@biostat.mc.duke.edu \ --Cocteau Twins ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DC Shows (JANE!) Jane Siberry - Nov. 2, Gaston Hall (Georgetown), $24.50 + $3.25(TM) +$1(phone). These tix are on sale now and going slowly. I just bought a pair in the center of the second row. ALso new to me is the October Project at the Birchmere! That's October 14. NEal ------------------------------ From: art@cs.sfu.ca Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 09:01:21 PDT Subject: Terms of Venery Michael Doyle opened (I believe) the search for an appropriate term of venery for a group of ectophiles. >And it got me thinkin. Thinkin with that part of my brain I'd be better off >without... >gaggle of geese, pride of lions, pod of whales... >...pile of 'philes? float of ectos? >comments? For inspiration, one might wish to consult Lipton's book "An Exhaltation of Larks". Unfortunately, my copy is not here. Nevertheless, I offer the following suggestions to be used for a largish group of ectofolk: - - an eccentricity of ectophiles - - an ecstasy of ectophiles On the other end of the spectrum, smaller groups of ectophiles (which nevertheless maintain a certain level of quality) might be called: - - an economy of ectophiles Of course, if the ectofolk in question became rowdy (after taunting record company squid at some small club, for example) and were summarily ejected from the premises, we would have: - - an ectomy of ectophiles. That, I imagine, would happen rarely, but it would certainly be a lovely usage. And now, back to lurking, Art Liestman ------------------------------ From: Markku Kolkka Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:06:50 +0200 Subject: Re: my last message At 02.35 29.9.95 PDT, Damon wrote: >> ...for the snark *was* a boojum, you see! > >is this something from moominland? is it? is it? Lewis Carrol, I believe. >i *loved* those books to pieces :) tove jansson (is that right? it's been >so long) is a great writer, even in translation. YES! YES! Moomin books are great, they have a definite fuzzy blue feeling :-) - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ From: kcd@bull.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:33:49 -0500 Subject: Re: October Proj Live On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, John >>> JJH969@aol.com wrote: > I just the other day I picked up The October Projects' > two discs. I made these purchases based upon some > of what I've been reading on this group. My faith in > Ectorian taste was validated again, as usual. The > cashier at the uptown Tower mentioned that they would > be appearing at the Academy (NYC), but didn't know dates. > A call I placed to the Academy met with a dead line. > I haven't seen anything in that press about this. Can > anyone give me dates ? Thanks...... Ask and ye shall receive, Tour dates are as follows: 10/04 Water St Music Hall Rochester, NY 10/06 Club Metronome Burlington VT 10/07 Paradise Rock Club Boston, MA 10/08 Met Cafe Providence RI 10/10 The Supper Club NYC 10/11 The Chance Poughkeepsie NY 10/12 Theatre of the Living Arts Philadelphia PA 10/13 Theatre of the Living Arts Philadelphia PA 10/14 The Birchmere Alexandria VA 10/16 The Roxy Theatre Atlanta, GA 10/17 The Ace Of Clubs Nashville TN 10/18 Bogarts Cincinnati OH 10/19 The Odeon Concert Club Cleveland OH 10/20 Mekka Columbus OH 10/21 The Underground Toledo OH 10/22 St Andrew's Hall Detroit MI 10/23 Club De Wash Madison WI 10/24 Metroplitan Minneapolis MN 10/25 Double Door Chicago IL 10/26 New Shank Hall Milwaukee WI Thought I'd post this to the list as other ecto-folk may be interested... ttfn, - -Kevin D. ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:58:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: my last message On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Damon Harper wrote: > > ...for the snark *was* a boojum, you see! > > is this something from moominland? is it? is it? Hi, Sorry, it's Charles Dodgson(sp?) AKA Lewis Carrol. THE HUNTING OF THE SNARK, a poem and basis of a cd by Mike Batt. KrW T'was brillig and the slithey toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe ------------------------------ From: chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:35:47 -0400 Subject: Re: my last message What!? >Hi, Sorry, it's Charles Dodgson(sp?) AKA Lewis Carrol. THE HUNTING OF >THE SNARK, a poem and basis of a cd by Mike Batt. No, I'm not taking exception to the AKA part, but rather the name at the end... Mike Batt... Now bear with me as I try to dredge this from memory... Okay, David Sylvian is really David Batt and his brother (who was also in Japan (the group, not the count--- well, maybe the country too, but I meant the group)... was Rich? Jansen, AKA Mike? Batt.... Help me! Please! > T'was brillig and the slithey toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe Nonsensical enough to have been Quayle, but way too surreal/hip. chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson)| "It looks like freedom but it feels like death; it's something in between I guess." ------------------------------ From: sheila@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Sheila Rieser) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:58:57 -0500 Subject: Bowie changes ago > >> Well, not really an ectoish album, but hey, who else could I ask? I bought >> it yesterday (because Eno is on it and I love the _Low_ era Bowie) and boy >> is it . . . dark? Or is that strange? > I haven't had a chance to listen to Bowie's new album yet except the single that is getting some airplay on the Ann Arbor stations, but I sense the lyrics are about body mutilation or something (?) A while ago I downloaded a short story DB had written (I think it was on his home page) and it was a darkly humorous spy tale about an artist who has taken violence as art thing a bit too far - killing people and mutilating their bodies as a performance piece. I viewed it as a well written and strong statement *agains*t the trend towards violence in art. Anyone else see this? If you want me to mail it to you, let me know and I will. I had tickets to the Bowie/NIN show but had to sell them because of a conflict. Maybe I should be glad I did? Wonder what I'm missing? Sheila ------------------------------ From: sheila@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Sheila Rieser) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:16:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Bowie changes again >> >>> Well, not really an ectoish album, but hey, who else could I ask? I bought >>> it yesterday (because Eno is on it and I love the _Low_ era Bowie) and boy >>> is it . . . dark? Or is that strange? >> > > >I haven't had a chance to listen to Bowie's new album yet except the single >that is getting some airplay on the Ann Arbor stations, but I sense the lyrics >are about body mutilation or something (?) >A while ago I downloaded a short story DB had written (I think it was on his >home page) >and it was a darkly humorous spy tale about an artist who has >taken violence as art >thing a bit too far - killing people and mutilating >their bodies as a performance piece. Umm...now that I have viewed the Bowie homepage again I see that I am a bit in the dark. Please disregard my previous post as yhe short story I mentioned is indeed the whole basis for the new album! I guess I better just go buy it and then post after I know what's goin' on :) The page is very cool tho - but a bit slow even with a live connection. Sheila =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sheila Rieser Editor, Monitor Office of Public Relations Bowling Green State University 516 Administration Building Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 Phone: (419) 372-8586 Fax: (419) 372-2617 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:46:23 -0600 Subject: Re: David Bowie's _Outside_ >On 27 Sep 95 at 18:36, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > >> Well, not really an ectoish album, but hey, who else could I ask? I bought >> it yesterday (because Eno is on it and I love the _Low_ era Bowie) and boy >> is it . . . dark? Or is that strange? > And Joseph Zitt replied: >Uh... yeah. In short, it's the first Bowie since the opening of >"Scary Monsters" to give me the "what the hell *is* this?" experience >I like to get from him. It's masterful, all right... but I'm not sure >I *like* it -- and I have a feeling that, listening to it, I may pass >on seeing this tour (even though I've caught all his stadium tours >since "Stage"). here I cut out some stuff.... > Maybe I'm taking things too >literally or missing a metaphor or something, but the album seems to >be celebrating what happens to Baby Grace, et al -- and I can't help >but picture the teenage girl at the center of it and what her view of >it would be. I don't know from all that I can gather this is exactly what this album is. . . And again, it bothers me. I really like the music but the subject matter. . . > >I'm not against strong art (as those around here who read my play >"Gabrielle" when I had it online can probably agree), but Madison >Smart Bell's idea of violence being a taboo to be broken doesn't ring >right for me. Violence and sex are *not* equivalent -- the depiction >of violence is consistently that of someone getting hurt. Yeah, I agree. Madison's point was probably more than I made it out to be in the last post. I should add that he felt that it is difficult to get the public's attention if you're not breaking taboos (or is that tabooes?--is there a spell check for Eudora out there?). I guess my puzzelment is that I trust the artists I respect to be ahead of me--to have figured out things that I haven't yet. In this album, the music--especially the below mentioned piano stuff as well as the segue sections--steaches me. But the topic? I even read Ellis's _American Psycho_ a year or so ago. The violence gave me nightmares and I didn't really think his "point" was much of a point. Then again, I don't respect Brett Easton Ellis. I read it because someone I respect told me that it was "actually pretty decent." Again, perhaps I'm being a little thick. >And the violence thing is not all that recent -- remember that Laurie >Anderson's first (very obscure) record some twenty years ago was a >response to Chris Burden's art of self-mutilation. Or Shakespeare's _Titus Andronicus_? And so on, and so on and so on. > >Was Bowie in it to shock? If so why? There has to be more to it than >shock... and I would think that Eno, at least, would approach things >from a more compassionate angle. (Having hurt people, through action >and inaction, in the past, I tend to be perhaps too careful about not >doing so now, and try hard not to do so in my own work in the arts.) I can't find anything else in it. And, to my surprise, I find myself a little confused as to the "story" itself. Why the ending leading to the past bit in the last segue? > >That said, musically, aspects of it are stunning. The star of the >whole thing, to my ears, is pianist Mike Garson, who also was a >standout on "The Buddha of Suburbia" (with which "Outside" shares its >closing song) and on earlier works such as "Aladdin Sane". I know (the stunning musical aspects bit), and parts of this album have lodged in my head and I find myself listening to them without thinking about it. Kinda yuckie stuff to be humming while handing out Latin tests to 8th graders. Are there any Eno or Bowie interviews on this album out there? What do _they_ say about this? And again, I'm not in favor of breaking a "violence" taboo, I'm just trying to figure out what is going on out there in artist land. brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:38:05 -0400 Subject: Re: pile of philes? At 10:18 AM 9/29/95 -0400, Michael Stevens wrote: >> >> smoe of ectos? >> > >Oh noooooo! Not the s-word again! :-) Quickly, before the s-word thread >rises from the grave, ???? I'm dying to know but afraid to ask. > 2. "menace," from all the Happy monsters! Ooo! I _like_ it! >--Michael >................................................................ >"Ma-blu-ectric (ma-blu-ectric!) Ma-blu-ectric (ma-blu-ectric!)" > Michael Stevens mjs@biostat.mc.duke.edu \ --Cocteau Twins Love the sig - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "You're not anybody in America unless you're on TV." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: rlovejoy@netaxs.com (Robert Lovejoy) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:19:07 -0400 Subject: Live at the World Cafe disc The World Cafe love disc tracklist: Melissa Etheredge "I'm The Only One" David Byrne "And She Was" Sheryl Crow "Leaving Las Vegas" The Subdudes "It's So Hard" Indigo Girls "Least Complicated" Richard Thompson "Beeswing" Happy Rhodes "Feed The Fire" Bruce Hornsby "Long Tall Cool One" The Story "So Much Mine" Counting Crows "Rain King" Tori Amos "Silent All These Years" Peter Himmelman " Woman With the Strength of 10,000 Men" Loreena McKinnet " The Bonny Swans" Sonia Dada "Anna Lee" Sam Phillips "Baby, I Can't Please You" The Jayhawks "Blue" Cowboy Junkies "Anniversary Song" There you have it. I guess this is regional, but it was listed as #4 on the charts there (Tower Cherry Hill). I can't find a label name but the number is WC9501. Your Obedient Savant, Robert ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:11:49 +0000 Subject: Re: David Bowie's _Outside_ On 29 Sep 95 at 17:46, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > Yeah, I agree. Madison's point was probably more than I made it out to be > in the last post. I should add that he felt that it is difficult to get > the public's attention if you're not breaking taboos (or is that > tabooes?--is there a spell check for Eudora out there?). I have a feeling (and it's not too articulate) that if the breaking of a supposed taboo catches and attracts the public's attention, then it's no longer much of a taboo. A true taboo-breaking would probably not get out to the public very effectively unless it was surrounded by materials that the public found attractive or interesting in some other way. I think the success of NIN's "The Downward Spiral" and of Nirvana's "Nevermind" show this -- subject matter aside, they both provided good radio fodder in their well-crafted musicality and production (and I *don't* mean this as a putdown). > I guess my puzzelment is that I trust the artists I respect to be ahead of > me--to have figured out things that I haven't yet. In this album, the > music--especially the below mentioned piano stuff as well as the segue > sections--steaches me. But the topic? Yeah, Eno often triggers a "Damn, I wish I'd thought of that!" reaction, followed by an inspiration to follow up on what he's done in my own way. > I even read Ellis's _American Psycho_ a year or so ago. The violence gave > me nightmares and I didn't really think his "point" was much of a point. > Then again, I don't respect Brett Easton Ellis. I read it because someone > I respect told me that it was "actually pretty decent." Again, perhaps I'm > being a little thick. I read a few pages of it and couldn't stomach them. Similarly, the first page of Bowie's story disturbed my sleep after I read it. > I know (the stunning musical aspects bit), and parts of this album have > lodged in my head and I find myself listening to them without thinking > about it. Kinda yuckie stuff to be humming while handing out Latin tests > to 8th graders. Yeah -- that's sort of the way I feel when humming NIN's "Closer" or bit of Lou Reed's "Street Hassle" in the hallowed halls of TI :-) > Are there any Eno or Bowie interviews on this album out there? What do > _they_ say about this? Yup. they're out there -- but they didn't prepare me for what this was; they mostly talk about the musical methods in doing the album, and much less about the subject matter. As I think about it, I'm probably interested enough to go to the Bowie concert after all. But I'm *not* going to bring along the fourteen-year-old son of a friend who kinda wants to see it. After what I've heard of the visual imagery NIN sometimes uses, I don't want to be responsible for subjecting him (an unusually sensitive, impressionable kid) to it. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 17:58:58 EDT Subject: Re: Fuzzy Blue Raincoat Neil said: >I bought a pretty interesting disc the other day. It's called Sharks >Patrol These Waters, The best of Volume too. I'm not familiar with >Some notable winners were a solo demo >version of White Belly from Tanya Donnely, a really raw version of Vow >from Garbage, That's the album version of "Vow", though the one on the album doesn't sound quite as nice as the single - it was remastered for the album, and a lot of the sub-bass growl went missing in the process. >my first hearings of Elastica (wow!) and many more to Elastica's album is great. And at last count there were four lawsuits pending over the tracks on it...! By the way 1: Heather Nova's "Glow Stars" is out in Australia for the first time. It's a budget-priced CD through Liberation/Mushroom. By the way 2: Those who couldn't read my home page will be pleased to know that I've fixed the text colour problem now. I'm learning...! Now to put some actual interesting stuff on it...! What's the address of the Ecto home page currently? I'll put in a link to it... By the way 3 (shameless plug dept!): "Tingly", by Pop! featuring Angie Hart, is out on White/Mushroom in Australia on Monday October 9th. I just got some copies today, and it's all nice and bright and colourful-looking, just right for spring. :-) - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #238 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu