From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #236 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 28 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 236 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rlovejoy@netaxs.com (Robert Lovejoy) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:06:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Just where am we? Steve Notes: >It may just be my personal opinion, but all modern coinages >beginning with "cyber-" or ending in "-space" should be rejected >and those who use them should be given a cream pie in the face. Ouch! I _liked_ "Deepspace" as a nick... > >You get one point for the slightly mangled Firesign Theater >reference. "I got a letter here postmarked 'Deep Space'!" Robert, ending up even, maybe... ------------------------------ From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:55:16 -0500 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #235 From: kerry white > >Hello, I agree on "cyber-", but somehow I've never been bothered by >"-space" when used as a designation for a conceptual idea where people >can meet (bypassing the MUSH realtime concept). > I need to visualize a shared mode and "mailing list" is too prosaic for >my fevered imagination, not to mention too hard to visualize. > "Space" used flippantly or in passing can get "trendy", but "ectospace" >gives me a place to go to, where they have to let me in, even if they >throw pies or put me in the corner, at least I am *somewhere*! > > KrW > all the pieces are For non-Netfolk, ecto and fte and other such places where Squid hides out are simply "online" or "on the Net." Among Netfolks, it's "the list" or "ecto" or whatever. Cyberspace is what's between the ears of a flighty teenage robot. As for information superhighway... the next person to used the "roadkill" metaphor will be summarily thrown onto a _real_ highway in front of real cars. Ecto and fte are, for me, places to go where there are friends. To refer to them in terms of cyberspace lends to images of vast electronic wastelands, nothing but circuit traces all the way to the horizon, sort of a large wall-less Game Grid from Tron. Ecto is more precisely defined as a digital cafe, or better yet, a room in the basement of your friend's house where there's a sofa, some recliners, a neat stereo, lots of cats and potted plants, posters of Kate and Sarah (a la the ectoroom) and friends sitting around trading CDs. But this is just my thought. And actually, this is Wednesday, traditionally my night to say stuff people will yell at me tomorrow for, though for the life of me I can't see much in the above statement particularly yell-at-about-able. (oh that wonderful Squid dialect! :-) ) From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE > >Hi! > > >P.S. Has anybody gotten a spam titled "The Long March?" It seems to have >gone out to the major online services (a bunch of folk on Delphi got it, >unfortunately including me, and a bunch of people on GEnie got it, too), >and appears to have originated @slip.net, though the headers have been messed >with in the tradition of spams everywhere. Lovely stuff (not). Anybody know >if the Anti-Defamation League has an e-mail address? If not, I'll just print >it out and send it to them. Whoever perpetrated that piece of hateful, racist, >anti-Semitic shit needs to have their molecules rearranged. It reached me here on Indyvax. Two days later, I got a nice message from the .org from which it was sent, explaining that someone had hacked or abused an account there, and had somehow used a mailing list (no idea which one or how I got on it) to bomb a lot of people with that shit. As for where the message came from originally, I don't know, but I'd guess a lot of folks between here and that source are busy looking for the bastards right now. That was one of the most chilling chunks of data I've ever found in my mailbox. It's gone now, though; deleted and gone. Again, I'd love to know how they got my address on their list. I wonder if everyone on ecto got one, if somehow a copy of the addressbook from rutgers got swiped. If not, I'm dying to know what all the recepients had in common that would get them on this list. It might give us clues as to who did it. >+===========================================================================+ >|Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| >|Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| >+===========================================================================+ >| "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | >+===========================================================================+ | http://www.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu | A1200 with 850M Seagate | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! | in the making. | |"Sympathy's wasted on my hollow shell." -Sarah M. | Fuck James Exon hard. | ------------------------------ From: rlovejoy@netaxs.com (Robert Lovejoy) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:15:06 -0400 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #235 John asks: >>P.S. Has anybody gotten a spam titled "The Long March?" Unfortunately I also received this piece of garbage. And this is not a major service. Ye gods, how did someone with such a tiny mind manage to spam the whole net? (Or at least a lot of it...) Robert ------------------------------ From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:45:52 -0400 Subject: "Jade" and Loreena McKennitt? At 12:49 AM 9/28/95 UTC, you wrote: (snip) >Has anyone else seen the advertisement for the movie "Jade."? Sounds like >Loreena McKennitt is on the soundtrack. Does anyone know if there is any new >music of hers in the movie, or is it all previously released? > >Sherry I saw this ad on TV just today and said out loud, "Loreena McKennitt--*must* be!". I don't know anything further, but would sure *like* to! - -jo- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Joanna M. Phillips | "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty fleur@one.net | being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What fleur@genie.com | do you want--an adorable pancreas?" 2045772@bob.com | --Jean Kerr ------------------------------ From: That Stafford person Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:22:28 +1200 (NZST) Subject: Re: "Jade" and Loreena McKennitt? On Thu, 28 Sep 1995 fleur@one.net wrote: > I saw this ad on TV just today and said out loud, "Loreena McKennitt--*must* > be!". I don't know anything further, but would sure *like* to! The music in the trailer is the intro to "The Mystic's Dream" from "the mask and mirror", Loreena's latest album. Not sure if there's any new music in the actual film (Quinlan Road hasn't mentioned it) but Loreena will be releasing a new 5 song EP of winter songs soon! :) Urs :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail all replies to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: speedygo@acs.bu.edu Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:14:54 -0400 Subject: Ani DiFranco in NYC... ...she'll be at Irving Plaza Thursday, September 28th. Just saw the 9/27th show...EXCELLENT STUFF!!! Get tickets if there are any left... speedygo@acs.bu.edu ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:42:34 -0400 Subject: ectopics whole lotta stuff within. sorry for the mondopost - i failed to follow my own advice about staying current with ecto. again. oh! first, before the replies: just a note that cocteau twins have a new single/ep/whatever out called "twinlights". sonically, it's even more acoustic than _victorialand_, including the addition of a piano! (or maybe a good synthesized piano.) very relaxed (though not mellow, if that makes any sense). one of the tracks is a rerecording of "pink orange red" in the new style, which is quite lovely. Stuart P. Myerburg sez: >I saw Throwing Muses this evening at the Variety Playhouse in Atlanta. meredith mentioned that we saw 'em again a couple weekends ago as well. i can't say that i mind they making a second pass through the northeast as throwing muses continue to be one of those bands who never cease to amaze. three musicians of their high calibre on one stage are just plain frightening. yum! >They also played 4 new songs, which Kristin said they had just started >developing. They were all good, but one in particular stood out. It was a >bit wilder than anything off of _University_ and had a chorus that sounded >like "shoot the shotglass." yeah! i loved that one too and i'm *sure* i've heard it before. i suspect they must have played it earlier this year when we saw them first time around. >Air Miami, which is Unrest with a new drummer and an extra guitarist, was >the opening act. the extra guitarist is unrest's old bassist - bridget cross just changed instruments when air miami formed. this was my first time hearing air miami and my reaction was promise unfulfilled. as you say, the songs are not unlike unrest's, which i think is a good thing. however, nearly every song concluded with these beautiful, noisy cresendos that just didn't go on long enough. wah! five or ten minutes of some of those bits would have made me a goofily smiling camper. oh well. their gig didn't make me want to rush out and buy their album, but i still am keeping an eye out for it. Joseph Zitt sez: >The only ones I've listened to so far are disc 1 of "Einstein on the >Beach", and the Lisa Gerard, which is a knockout, especially in the >orchestral tracks, which remind me a lot of Gorecki, but are more >varied. hmmm. i've been listening to _the mirror pool_ once a day or so lately and it just hasn't clicked with me. dunno what it is either as her songs from dead can dance still floor me. i think i miss brendan (i miss einar on bjork's solo albums as well) and his counterbalance to lisa's mystic yodeling. i also think that the supporting music is pretty weak. lisa's yang ch'in (a small chinese hammered dulcimer) is glorious as always, but the keyboard drones and washes sound kinda flat and synthetic. Meth sez: >Matt sez: >>we caught >>the first "episode" of P&tB. Well, while we were watching it, the >>only thing I could think of was "gee, woj is going to HATE this", >>especially since I thought "Golly-zilla" stunk, big time. >Actually, I thought the Golly-zilla bit was rather amusing. Dunno about woj, >though. didn't think it was as bad as the robot-suit premiere, but it wasn't the most amusing piece of animation i've seen. on the other hand, "brain stem! brain stem!" nearly caused some hyperventilation. Amy sez: >I agree with the idea of a trade/sell list somewhere in Ectoland. probably the best way to handle this would be a web page that ectophiles could browse and add their for sale items to. unfortunately, i don't have the wherewithal to support a browser-modifiable page. on the other hand, i could maintain a static page and accept new lists and changes to the current list via e-mail. if there is enough interest in this, i'll be happy to work on it. such a web page would be unadvertised, except on ecto, and unlinked to anything else on the web to keep it an ecto-only resource. steve (s.l.) fagg sez: >I'd be interested in fellow Ectophiles thoughts on this issue. And >interested to know how widely folks use the term 'Ectophile' off the >net, to non-Ectophiles, or both. i almost never refer to ecto by name to non-net.folk - like the two steve's, "the net" suffices for conversation with non-connected folk since it is a hassle to explain the concept of "mailing list" to someone who probably isn't interested. to non-ectophile net.folk, i refer to it by name, with a "the mailing list" qualifier, if necessary, so they know what type of forum ecto happens to be. as for the question of nouns, while the cyber* bugs me, the *space doesn't. ectospace has a nice feel to it. hmmm. i rather like it. and verbs...well, the kind of informal discourse that usually happens around here is kinda equivalent of chatting. i guess. the issue has never really come to mind before. "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" sez: >But this is just my thought. And actually, this is Wednesday, >traditionally my night to say stuff people will yell at me >tomorrow for, seems to be the case for me as well - midweek means i've recovered from the weekend and can stay up most of the night which just starts me down that chute to sleeping all saturday to recover from the latter half of the week. and on that note, to bed, perchance to sleep. woj ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:54:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco in NYC... speedygo@acs.bu.edu sez: >...she'll be at Irving Plaza Thursday, September 28th. and in new haven at the lyman hall on the scsu campus friday! there is a whole gang of 'philes - including jens brage - going. woj ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:59:16 -0400 Subject: jens brage's last stop hey all, as many of you know, jens is making is way across the states this month. his last stop before heading back home is the new york city area. he should be arriving in boonton sometime tomorrow evening. friday, we're heading into new york and then going up to new haven that evening to see ani difranco (as i already mentioned). if anyone around here (the tri-state area) is interested in meeting jens, drop me a line. since he'll be flying away on sunday, saturday afternoon or evening will probably be the only chance to meet him. woj ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 02:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jens and Heather Nova Jeffy missed a few points of the evening, but I'll forgive him since he neglected to mention we were an hour late meeting him at the restaurant and he patiently waited outside that whole time until we arrived. We missed the opener due to dinner, but hung out downstairs while the stages upstairs were being changed and were greatly entertained by a NYC band called "Marry Me Jane". At least, I think that's what they were called. My memory seems kind of foggy right now. (Of course, Jeff abandoned them after one song, so maybe he didn't mention them on purpose.) The response of those of us that stayed down there was quite postive. They started off sounding like a dead ringer for Bettie Serveert (vocally, not musically, as they tended to have a pretty standard alternative rock sound), and then kept layering more Concrete Blondisms on top of that. Anyone (woj?) know anything about them? (OK, maybe only one point.) Heather Nova was indeed incredible, and she even wore the fork armlet (?) that you see on the cover of Live from the Milky Way. I'm glad she delayed to include the band, since they added a lot to the show. Plus, it made our show her first US performance. (Apologies to those in rescheduled places, except for Jeff Hanson who gloated to much about his Lisa Gerard tix :)) Anyway, definitely see Heather if she comes to your town. And Jeffy, keep your eyes open for the new Wolftrap Barns schedule, lots of good stuff there, plus Marianne Faithful at the Birchmere sometime in October, and Anonymous 4 November 18 at Lisner. whew. Neal ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 04:58:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Let me reintroduce myself... At 8:17 PM on 9/27/95, Holly wrote: >But now I'm all settled into my new apartment and my new >job and can start spending time online again! Yaaaaaaay! Grocible hugs his beloved Hollis! :) - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 06:55:16 -0500 Subject: re:Just where am we? On 27 Sep 95 at 19:00, Michael Doyle typed diligently: > "this guy on ecto told me..." "I heard on ecto that..." etc. Or my favorite, "I heard it through the ectovine." Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "Send lawyers, guns and money. 'Cause the shit has hit the fan." - Bruce Cockburn - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: hyams@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:50:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: help! does anybody know NYU? He ectites! I thought I'd ask if anyone is familiar with the experimental theatre department at NYU. I'm looking for a graduate program to continue studies in performance art with a technological and cultural basis. I've been to California Institute of the Arts and UT at Austin but I've yet to find anything that hits the spot. Any country, any continent... I've heard about Banff in Canada... Any suggestions? thanks, collier - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> "..music that is ready to eat." DUBMISSIVE 'ZINE collier hyams "..interesting reggae-rock sound."SHANACHIE RECORDS hyams@alpha.nsula.edu "..great feeling for reggae/world music." BANGZINE INTERNATIONAL DUB CORPS album entitled "WONDER WHERE YOU ARE" available from: CMC@1-800-882-4262/BIG EASY DISTRIBUTION@1-800-322-4439/TOWER/BLOCKBUSTER/etc. ------------------------------ From: piquet the cat Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 00:34:20 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: various On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > Sherlyn wondered: > >And onto a more Sarah note, a topic which has prolly been discussed > >here before: What's "Wait" about? I was listening to it the other > >day and it struck me that it could be a coming-out song... but then > >again, maybe not.... > > Good question. I have absolutely no clue what "Wait" is about, and I'd dearly > love the opportunity to ask her, since it appears that no interviewer on the > planet has plans to do so. I never considered it a coming-out song, though > (if I were to read that possibility into any song of hers I'd say "Elsewhere"). Hmmmmm... interesting. 'Elsewhere' is just about my favourite Sarah song, and I've never even thought of putting that interpretation on it. I've always thought 'Elsewhere' was just about finding personal space and freedom... and I admit, I was probably grasping at straws trying to interpret 'Wait'... "There is a love that's inherently given, a kind of blindness offered to deceive; in the light of forbidden joy, I know I won't receive it... When all we wanted was the dream, to have and to hold, that precious little thing like every generation yields, a newborn hope unjaded by the years..." I don't know, it just struck me as being appropriate to coming out. But like I said, I was probably just grasping at straws - maybe the song's *really* about the plight of chicken farmers in Antarctica! (hey, look, gimme enough time and I'm sure I can come up with an adequate case for that interpretation... :) And... something which has struck me as being rather funny lately... can you imagine Alanis singing a song like 'You Oughta Know' in teen-pop idol style? ".. An older version of me... is she perverted like me..." "... Would she go down on you in a theater..." etc All sung in a slow, ever-so-expressive voice... the video shows Alanis through a misty lens, peering doe-eyed at the man of her dreams... Right about *here* is usually where I collapse in helpless giggles... *giggle* sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au "Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's okay and everything's going right... And life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up in your face..." - Alanis Morissette, "Ironic" ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Queries and replies On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > Hi! > > Okay, I have a feeling I've asked this before and gotten a response but then > again there's an underlying feeling that I'm hallucinating it, so here goes. > :) Anybody know where I can find *any* recorded material by Susan McKeown > And The Chanting House? I keep hearing songs on the radio, the kind that > make me sit straight up and go "Yow", and every single time that happens > it turns out to be her. The dude on WPKN this afternoon wasn't sure if she > has any albums, he got the track he played from a WWUH compilation (Chris S., > can you help me figure that one out?). I *must* have some! Meth, she has a web page I got the address to order it from. Rats--I just tried searching for it on Yahoo and can't find it, but I will go home and get the address off the disc. The disc is called _Bones_. I ordered it because it sounded interesting and because she goes by Sheela-na-gig music (my recent chapbook of poems has the same name). But I'm actually not sure yet I like the disc all that much. I'm going to give it more time. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: JJH969@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:40:25 -0400 Subject: Re: October Proj Live Ectorians, I just the other day I picked up The October Projects' two discs. I made these purchases based upon some of what I've been reading on this group. My faith in Ectorian taste was validated again, as usual. The cashier at the uptown Tower mentioned that they would be appearing at the Academy (NYC), but didn't know dates. A call I placed to the Academy met with a dead line. I haven't seen anything in that press about this. Can anyone give me dates ? Thanks...... John >>> JJH969@aol.com ------------------------------ From: JJH969@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re:Just where am we? Ectorians; We be Ectillic electrons whipped into congruent configurations. John >>>> JJH969@aol.com ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:25:03 -0400 Subject: Re: various piquet wrote about sarah's "wait": >I don't know, it just struck me as being appropriate to coming out. But >like I said, I was probably just grasping at straws - maybe the song's >*really* about the plight of chicken farmers in Antarctica! Sarah's real coming out song, as far as I'm concerned, is "Out of the Shadows." Not particularly subtle, but incredibly moving. Perhaps my favorite song of hers. (he says, knowing that at any given time, there are 10 or so Sarah songs about which he might make that claim. ;-) "There's someone out there, someone like me." Jeff ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:12 PDT Subject: cyberspace, ecto irl and HOLLY! i, too, am getting really sick of all the cyber- and -space cliches, as well as with media-hyped 'virtual' things. like here, on my free wall calendar (put out by local advertisers i guess) is an ad which screams: "ADD 'CYBERGRAD' TO YOUR RESUME! KEEP CURRENT WITH THAT COOL VIRTUAL WORLD OUT THERE!", and has a line drawing of some cool surfer dude surfing under the sun. i'm considering throwing the darned thing out just because that bugs me so much. :P i think the problem is simply the media grabbing hold of the thing and flogging it to death... the somewhat intelligent people in the world (like us! :) get really sick of it before long. like all the internet *movies* that are apparently in the works now. help! i've reached my saturation point. gee, just think of it, if we deleted all the cyber- prefixes and -space suffixes, the word cyberspace would become a null morpheme! and wouldn't we *all* be *so* disappointed... as far as using the term "ecto" in real life goes, i find myself doing so more and more. i refer to my musical tastes as "ecto" to people who've never even heard of the 'net. oh wait, *everyone's* heard of the 'net, it's "cool" now (and so hyped! *grumble*). but to people who've never experienced the 'net, never heard of happy rhodes, etc etc. so i'm doing my part to get us into the dictionary :) and finally... HOLLY! WELCOME BACK!!!!!! it's good to see your shining cyberface around herespace again! <--- er, sorry, i slipped, actually i'm a fanatic cyber- and -space user, and was trying to save cyberfacespace... oh no... i've done it cyberagainspace, haven't cyberi? *blibble* oh, and regarding the ectogathering in chicago... i'm not the most mobile person in the world, but i'd like to come if i can.. .will await further developments if that's all right. neil? will you be going? :) *hugs* to all the wonderful ectoids out there. cyberhugs? :P cyberdamonspace _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #236 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu