From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #235 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 27 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 235 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:25:10 +1200 Subject: Re: The Keep, new HR Shelley writes: > Do forgive if this has been discussed > I just got my new Ladyslipper catalog today and what should I find on > page 54? > Happy Rhodes > The Keep Well I don't think we knew the name of it before :) (I didn't, anyway!) > COOL!!! Very! Release date is supposed to be October 17, btw, so I'm not sure if Ladyslipper is getting it in early, or what... (I'd checked this date yesterday when I placed a largish order with AG :) > So it's another compilation, It's Happy! I'm ordering mine now > before I realise how broke I am. :) Philip (feeling happity -- I'll be completing my Happy collection soon, and I have Jane's "Maria" on CD at last!) ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 00:27:43 -0400 Subject: Jens and Heather Nova Just got back from doing dinner with Neal, Sue, Jens, and his travelling companion, Pers. After the chow, Pers went back to their host's place, while the four of us headed down to the 9:30 Club to see Heather Nova. 'Twas a great show -- the first show of her first US tour. Accompanying her were a bassist, guitarist, drummer, and cellist. Heather herself played rhythm guitar. The band played everything from _Oyster_, plus one song I didn't recognize. An incredibly fierce version of "Sugar" ended the main set, and then the band left the stage. The bassist returned with an acoustic bass and Heather switched to an acoustic guitar for "Truth and Bone" (one of my faves on the album...I would have been very disappointed if she hadn't played it), and then the full band again on "Doubled Up." One thing that I found interesting was that Heather was the only one singing -- none of the other musicians did bv's of any type. She did use the occasional effect on the vox, most notably an occasional bit of echo. Over all, it was a *very* crunchy show -- much more so than I had really expected. Can't beat it for the $7 we paid to get in! Nice to finally meet you, Sue and Jens! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:22:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Just where am we? Hello, Just where am we? I'd hate to think of us as a bulletin board. When I talk to a ecto-friend who is not wired-in, I say that I've been talking[writing:SYSTAT:READ:UNHAPPY MAKNAM] to the ectophiles in ectospace. Is this credible or just another personal quirk(+ God knows I've....) I'll have to deal w/. KrW all the pieces are ------------------------------ From: Steve VanDevender Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:21:37 -0700 Subject: Just where am we? kerry white writes: > Hello, > Just where am we? > I'd hate to think of us as a bulletin board. > When I talk to a ecto-friend who is not wired-in, I say that > I've been talking[writing:SYSTAT:READ:UNHAPPY MAKNAM] to the ectophiles > in ectospace. > Is this credible or just another personal quirk(+ God knows I've....) > I'll have to deal w/. > KrW > all the pieces are Ecto is a mailing list. It may just be my personal opinion, but all modern coinages beginning with "cyber-" or ending in "-space" should be rejected and those who use them should be given a cream pie in the face. You get one point for the slightly mangled Firesign Theater reference. ------------------------------ From: "steve (s.l.) fagg" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:00:00 +0100 Subject: re:Just where am we? In message "Just where am we?", 'zzkwhite@ktwu.wuacc.edu' writes: > Just where am we? > I'd hate to think of us as a bulletin board. Strictly speaking, Ecto is a mailing list rather than a bulletin board. > When I talk to a ecto-friend who is not wired-in, I say that >I've been talking[writing:SYSTAT:READ:UNHAPPY MAKNAM] to the ectophiles >in ectospace. Personally, like Steve V, I eschew all cyber-* and *-space neologisms, and find that the simple term 'the net' meets almost all my needs when it is not necessary (or appropriate) to mention a specific means of communication. I find the selection of an appropriate verb more problematical: I feel comfortable 'talking' on IRC and the MUSH and 'writing' in newsgroups, but Email (and in particular the kind of informal exchanges which characterise so much of Ecto's content) seems to me to fall somewhere between the two. Sometimes it is close to talking, other times it seems more appropriate to talk of writing something for Ecto. And, no, 'typing' doesn't cut it for me at all! :-) I'd be interested in fellow Ectophiles thoughts on this issue. And interested to know how widely folks use the term 'Ectophile' off the net, to non-Ectophiles, or both. TTFN Steve - -- Steve Fagg a.k.a. Nightwol ( 'phone: +44-1279-402437 ) ( s.l.fagg@bnr.co.uk (work) nightwol@dircon.co.uk (home) ) *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ------------------------------ From: Greg Dunn Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:50:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Last Jewel comment Really! I mean it! No more! :) I got this from the Jewel mailing list, and thought the young lady's words said it better than I could. (extracted from an interview in Atlantic's _Spew_ 'zine, according to the poster) Q: Listening to you speak about having hope and being positive you sound very sincere. But there are probably going to be people out there who will say 'C'mon Jewel, this is 1995. Where is your cynicism?' A: Yeah, I'm really tired of that attitude. People think you can't be deep or intellectual without being cynical. It's like you can't be optimistic and smart. And it really pisses me off because I went through much of my life being cynical. I was a philosophy kid. I read plenty of Kant and Dostoevski, plus I've been singing in bars since I was eight. What more jading experience can there be than that? I can remember old drunks giving me dimes when I was 12 and telling me to call them when I was 16. I used to be very cynical for a long time, because I think it's a brain drug. Your mind thinks it's the end all being clever. So I finally decided my world is how I think and how I perceive it. That's reality, nothing else counts, it all depends on how my emotions perceive it. And damn, I have the choice to make it bearable or really gross. OK, there it is. I wash my hands of further comment, but I thought the ectophiles might find this amusing. Ciao! ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Just where am we? On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Steve VanDevender wrote: > > I'd hate to think of us as a bulletin board. > > When I talk to a ecto-friend who is not wired-in, I say that > > I've been talking[writing:SYSTAT:READ:UNHAPPY MAKNAM] to the ectophiles > > in ectospace. > > Is this credible or just another personal quirk(+ God knows I've....) > > I'll have to deal w/. > > KrW > > all the pieces are > > Ecto is a mailing list. > > It may just be my personal opinion, but all modern coinages > beginning with "cyber-" or ending in "-space" should be rejected > and those who use them should be given a cream pie in the face. > > You get one point for the slightly mangled Firesign Theater > reference. A *VIRTUAL* cream pie?:) Wear do I spend this or any other points that I might acquire? KrW "TV or not TV, that is the question. Whether it is nobler to suffer the lies of outrageous pitch-men, or to slit your throat with an electrocoated stainless steel blade"? WOI ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:28:48 +0100 Subject: New address for the Old Ways mailing list Hi all, As I promised, here are the new addresses for Loreena McKennitt's Old Ways mailing list. I've received a couple of digests over the last few days so it seems the list is up and running again. The address to post is: old-ways@lists.mindspring.com I don't know what the status of the -request address is at the moment - list owner Christian wasn't sure that you can write to "old-ways-digest-request@lists.mindspring.com" yet, but if you'd like to subscribe I guess it's worth trying. For loose mail skip the "digest-" part in the address. Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "Leave the shadows dancing..." (OP) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Steve VanDevender Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:35:53 -0700 Subject: sometimes the mountain comes to Mohammed Mouth Music has been a frequently recommended Ectophilic band. A couple of weekends ago was the Eugene Celebration, where the citizens of Eugene basically throw a huge party for a weekend, featuring many performances, food vendors, and other distractions. I was there on the opening Friday night, and ran into a friend who mentioned that the band currently on stage nearby was Mouth Music. I tried to explain the odd state of having heard a great deal about Mouth Music without ever having heard them before. I wandered over to the stage and managed to catch about the last half of their performance. They were as good as everyone has said they are. I was quite surprised to have stumbled into a live performance practically in my own back yard. Another friend of mine at the show was trying to find out where they would be performing next; he was disappointed to find out that it was going to be in Wisconsin or Minnesota or someplace remote like that. Yesterday I also heard just a bit of their latest album, _Shorelife_, while visiting a friend, and it was enticing. ------------------------------ From: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:36:28 -0600 Subject: David Bowie's _Outside_ Well, not really an ectoish album, but hey, who else could I ask? I bought it yesterday (because Eno is on it and I love the _Low_ era Bowie) and boy is it . . . dark? Or is that strange? I couldn't figure out why he was traveling with Nine Inch Nails until I heard this music. And one of the pieces of "art" in the booklet is pretty gruesome. I don't know. I like it, I think. It's just such a creepy concept. A murderer who murders as art (I know, not a new concept but) and . . . . About a year ago, Madison Smartt Bell was here in Abingdon and I ended up talking to him for a long time about violence in contemporary literature. He'd read a piece of his new novel earlier in the day and it was pretty graphic. So, later, when we were drinking too much wine, I got enough courage to ask about it. And, to summarize before I take up too much more space, he said that violence was the new taboo to be broken. In the 60's and 70's everyone was breaking sexual taboos (in art that is) and the 80's and 90's taboo breaking seems to be centered around violence. So, is this what Eno and Bowie are doing? Or am I just paying too much attention? Sorry for the ramble--I've been puzzeling over this all day. brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: Steve VanDevender Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:43:48 -0700 Subject: and sometimes Mohammed goes to the mountain If a recent mishap on greylady.uoregon.edu hadn't put offline the disks that stored my Ecto mail, I'd be sending this to a more specific list of Seattle-area Ectophiles. Unfortunately their addresses are now inaccessible (I hope not permanently), so I hope no one will mind if I send this to the list as a whole. It looks like I will be taking a lengthy trip to Seattle for the purpose of helping some people up there set up a system on the Internet for their business, involving World Wide Web publishing and advertising. So probably starting this weekend, and for 2-3 weeks, I will be temporarily a Seattle-area Ectophile myself. So Neile, Jim, Doug, Mike, Brian (when you get there), and everyone else from Seattle, I'd like to visit while I'm there. I'll be telnetting down to get my mail while I'm away, so if you don't contact me before I leave I'll still be reachable. I also have numbers for at least some of you and I'll try to get in touch once I'm up there, and should also be able to get you the phone number of where I'm staying when I get up there. ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:00:59 -0400 Subject: re:Just where am we? At 10:00 AM 9/27/95 +0100, steve (s.l.) fagg wrote: > >I'd be interested in fellow Ectophiles thoughts on this issue. And >interested to know how widely folks use the term 'Ectophile' off the >net, to non-Ectophiles, or both. > I've always referred to it as being "on ecto." This gives ecto overtones of broadcast media and, to a lesser extent, drugs (e.g. "on lithium, on mescalline"). Therefore, I am quick to point out to people who don't know what I'm talking about, "Ecto is a mailing list on the Internet." Thereafter, it's up to them to translate what "on ecto" means. "this guy on ecto told me..." "I heard on ecto that..." etc. But it is true that "a mailing list on the Internet" doesn't describe ecto properly. Just as e-mail is beyond typing, so ecto is beyond e-mail lists. As for the term ecto, itself, as we use it, I have not yet heard it used by non-ectos anywhere. But only time will tell. - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "In America, you're not anyone if you aren't on television." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:59:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: home is where they have to let you in Hello, I agree on "cyber-", but somehow I've never been bothered by "-space" when used as a designation for a conceptual idea where people can meet (bypassing the MUSH realtime concept). I need to visualize a shared mode and "mailing list" is too prosaic for my fevered imagination, not to mention too hard to visualize. "Space" used flippantly or in passing can get "trendy", but "ectospace" gives me a place to go to, where they have to let me in, even if they throw pies or put me in the corner, at least I am *somewhere*! KrW all the pieces are ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Just where am we? > > A *VIRTUAL* cream pie?:) Wear do I spend this or any other points that > I might acquire? EEK! where will I wear the cream pie that will come my way for such poor proofreading. I will beware of this tendency !!! KrW In order to learn from your mistakes, make lots of mistakes. ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:36:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: re:Just where am we? On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Michael Doyle wrote: > I've always referred to it as being "on ecto." IMHO: I've thought as "ecto" as a philosophical entity rather than a thing-concept. We are "-philes" of an idea, a concept, we are *about* ecto and not *at* ecto. Which is why the,"..am we ?" question formed in my grey-matter in the 1st place. Just a simple questioning of my place in the universe :) KrW presented. Burma Shave. ------------------------------ From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:17:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Let me reintroduce myself... Hello, all! Here's me writing just to reacquaint myself to the Ecto list. I've not been able to write to anybody for a long long long time for a number of reasons that are scary and evil and no fun to hear! But now I'm all settled into my new apartment and my new job and can start spending time online again! Yaaaaaaay! If you've never met me, let me tell you a little about myself and how I got into happy. For the past 4 years or so, I've been a student of English and secondary education at the University of Maryland at Baltimore County. I got into this electronic communications/computer thing working at the university's computer/printing labs. I learned about newsgroups and started reading rec.music.gaffa. All the talk about Happy Rhodes and the Ectophiles made me so curious I went and bought a copy of "Ecto." 'Twas a hot and humid mid-August day when I drove to the record store. I remembered Vickie's warning about not being afraid of Happy's cover art as I made my way to the bins. "Just how scary could it be?" I thought. I looked in the "R" section and found nothing by Happy. I went to the "H" section and guess what? I got freaked out by the cover art. But Vickie said the music was beautiful and I believed her, so I purchased my copy of "Ecto." I set the disc beside me on the car seat and periodically stole glances at the monster-lady-with-her- heart-ripped-out-of-her-chest as I drove home. I found the image truly disturbing and had no idea what I'd hear when I played the disc. I got home and ran up the stairs to my bedroom and put the disc to play. After all of 15 seconds of "I'm Going Back," I knew two things: (1) I was indeed absolutely terrified and (2) I had just paid $13.99 to scare the bejesus out of myself. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what frightening shit I had just spent money on and I couldn't understand what the hell was so wonderful about this Happy Rhodes stuff. Dag. Yo. Schtrimp! I listened to the rest of the album and thought it was...well, I thought it was bullshit. But I gave it another listen. And another. Somewhere in between the initial shock and the third listen, I fell in love with "Ecto." I even got over the cover art. Actually, not only did I get over the cover art, I began to *identify* with it. I've got a scary monster-lady-with-my-heart-ripped-out inside me and I shouldn't deny her the right to exist. I've never felt icky about Happy's monsters ever again. And then I joined the Ecto list and bought all her other discs and introduced my beloved Neil K. Guy to Happy's music and that's about it. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Let me know if you'd like my new phone # and address and/or if you'd like to hear about my new job and whatnot. It's good to be back! Love and sloppy kisses to everyone! Holly ------------------------------ From: f.mcguire1@genie.geis.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 00:49:00 UTC Subject: October Proj live Hi For Philadelphia area ectophiles-October Project has added a second show at the Theater of Living Arts, for Friday, October 13th. Tickets are on sale now. Has anyone else seen the advertisement for the movie "Jade."? Sounds like Loreena McKennitt is on the soundtrack. Does anyone know if there is any new music of hers in the movie, or is it all previously released? Sherry ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Queries and replies Hi! Okay, I have a feeling I've asked this before and gotten a response but then again there's an underlying feeling that I'm hallucinating it, so here goes. :) Anybody know where I can find *any* recorded material by Susan McKeown And The Chanting House? I keep hearing songs on the radio, the kind that make me sit straight up and go "Yow", and every single time that happens it turns out to be her. The dude on WPKN this afternoon wasn't sure if she has any albums, he got the track he played from a WWUH compilation (Chris S., can you help me figure that one out?). I *must* have some! Anyway... Thanks to those who have contributed ectophilic radio listings to my Radio Ecto directory project. Keep 'em coming, folks! If you need me to send you the form again, just drop me a line. Anybody catch the VH-1 "One To One" interview with Natalie Merchant the other night? I taped it, but haven't watched it yet. Got tix to see her (and Innocence Mission) in New Haven on October 12 -- anybody else going? Valerie proposed: > Munching on our tortilla chips last night, Vickie, Chip, Jens and I had an > idea -- why don't we have an ecto fest next summer for Happy's birthday? We > could all meet in one city (Chicago), rent a block of hotel rooms and a > meeting room or two, and have one huge ectoparty. Chip, Vickie and I have > volunteered to organize it, but first we have a few questions. Oooo!!! I've wanted to do something like that for ages! > -- Would you be willing to fly to Chicago for this? Yes. > -- If we all pitched in some money, perhaps we could fly Happy out for a > concert. If this were possible, how much would you be willing to > contribute? Hmmm... for Happy, up to $50. I've spent more than that on lesser artists. ;) > -- Even without Happy, we'd have to get some money to rent a party hall. > Would you be willing to contribute some money for this? How much? Again, about $50... > -- We discussed doing this for Happy's birthday next year. Is this a good > time for it? Hmmm. Since it's summer and that's a good vacation time, I think so. But from Happy's perspective it's hard to tell... maybe she likes to spend her birthday alone? Who knows? > -- What would you want to see or do? Every record store in Chicago, museums, and of course the Cool Thing in the airport. :) Count me in as a *very* interested party, willing to help organize an Ecto-Convention in whatever way possible. I think we should do this, guys!!! Amy commented: > ...especially the times when 2 ectophiles get together and they get to sell > the duplicate CD's ....... Meth, Woj ;-) (i missed out on your sale...) Which reminds me... there are a few people who claimed discs but never paid up. As a result, we still have a pile of discs on our floor waiting to be sent to their new homes... if you ordered but never paid, please let me know if you still want your discs or what the deal is. (Somewhere I have a list of exactly who we're waiting for...) Shelly reported: > > Do forgive if this has been discussed > > I just got my new Ladyslipper catalog today and what should I find on > > page 54? > > Happy Rhodes > > The Keep Yeep!!!!!!!!!!! Must have must have must have... Jeffy mentioned: > After the chow, Pers went back to their host's place, while the four of us > headed down to the 9:30 Club to see Heather Nova. Does *anybody* have full tour dates? Anybody heard from Ilka lately? In response to Kerry's query, Steve posted: > I'd be interested in fellow Ectophiles thoughts on this issue. And > interested to know how widely folks use the term 'Ectophile' off the > net, to non-Ectophiles, or both. I find myself using the term "ectophile" to non-Net people sometimes to describe people I know from this list, and I usually get a confused look. :) Like today, when I was trying to explain to our office's receptionist just who that guy with the accent was that called me, and why someone I had never "met" was going to be spending the weekend at my house (hi, Jens :). Ecto is, technically, a mailing list on the Internet, which is how I describe it to non-connected folk. In reality it's much more than that, but always better to keep it simple. :) WELCOME BACK, HOLLY!!!! Still hanging about in boxes in the hallway? ;> P.S. Has anybody gotten a spam titled "The Long March?" It seems to have gone out to the major online services (a bunch of folk on Delphi got it, unfortunately including me, and a bunch of people on GEnie got it, too), and appears to have originated @slip.net, though the headers have been messed with in the tradition of spams everywhere. Lovely stuff (not). Anybody know if the Anti-Defamation League has an e-mail address? If not, I'll just print it out and send it to them. Whoever perpetrated that piece of hateful, racist, anti-Semitic shit needs to have their molecules rearranged. +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| +===========================================================================+ | "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #235 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu