From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #232 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 22 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 232 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrick Twinney Date: 20 Sep 95 16:17:40 GMT Subject: The Violet Hour Hiya. Firstly I'm weeks behing with Ecto, mainly due to spending a week or so driving around the country to go to lots of Kate partys :) Anyway, while doing the above mentioned driving with a car loaded with Ectophiles, one of them being Pami, the one that brought Happy into my life, a tape was played by Pami by a group called, I think, 'The Violet Hour', to me they sounded a lot like 'All About Eve', in fact I was almost sure that the lead singer was Julia Regan(sp?) but Pami assured me that it wasn't. Do any of you out there in the Ectoworld know anything of this quite wonderful band? Thanks for listening. - -- Garrick Twinney 'We strangers know each other now as part of gtwinney@plymouth.ac.uk the whole design.' - Suzanne Vega 'Gypsy' g7lfw@gb7pab.#44.gbr.eu ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey A. Pearce" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:57:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Lori Carson >I saw a nice video from a singer named Lori Carson on a late-night >(non-MTV) video show. Anyone know anything about her? I did a search of >past ectos and found no references. (I am two digests behind so maybe in >there?) Regarding this question, Lori Carson is the singer on the past couple of efforts by The Golden Palominos. She also recently released a solo disc called "Where It Goes." I like the work with the Golden Palominos but I haven't heard the solo effort so I can't comment on it. Jeff Pearce an174@dayton.wright.edu ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:18:00 +0000 Subject: I hate moving... Sounds like more than a couple of us Ectophiles did some moving this month. This past weekend I (well, 2 able-bodied male friends of mine) moved my stuff down 3 flights of stairs, into a 10 ft. truck, up 2 flights of stairs. I am in posession of my parents' old bedroom set, circa 1960, an ugly Italianesque looking thing with marble insets on the dresser and night table. The dresser is something like 5 ft. long - ugly! but I cannot get anyone to buy this stuff from me and I cannot afford new furniture, so each time I move (and I've moved 3 times in as many years) I have to haul this stuff with me, along with a rickety old futon, card table & chairs, and a nasty purple loveseat (okay, so I have college-student furniture). Ack! But, I'm in (with the exception of a closet-full of clothes), the tabbies are in (and they just LOVE this building - lots of windows with plenty of bird and squirrel watching). Each time I move I tell myself - never again - or never again anytime soon - because it is such a royal (add many expletives) pain in the ass! but alas.... This place is wonderful. I lived in this building 2 years ago (in fact, I moved in almost 2 years to the day I moved out) but with my boyfriend at the time. He and I are still close friends, and he still lives in the same apartment we shared. I live upstairs with my new roommate. It is like an episode of Seinfeld, I go downstairs, knock, and walk in like Kramer. Now I have someone to watch Beavis & Butthead with (my new roommie likes B&B too) Joe (Zitt) mentioned his horror story wrt all his missing stuff. I can kind of understand how you feel - when I was 16 I had a party where I invited a bunch of friends who brought "friends". This party was outside (at my parents house obviously) on an enclosed porch. The party was so so - but my point in mentioning this - I brought out all of my records, out to the back porch. Most of the stuff I was listening to at the time was not popular, but to me it was priceless. I had my original copies of Queen's "News of the World" which was the first record I ever bought, I had a few original Genesis things, and just a bunch of cool stuff that would be worth something today because vinyl is not readily available. (I remember original releases of CSN&Y "So Far", Tull "Aqualung" an "Thick as a Brick", some Yes stuff.... some Queen stuff... Because we lived in a "safe" suburban neighborhood, and this porch was behind our house, I figured my records would be safe out there overnight. I went outside the next day to find my entire record collection had been stolen, along with the speakers from the cheapo stereo that was left outside as well. Yeah.. it was my fault for being so trusting - but I was absolutely CRUSHED!!!! It took several months of waiting and convincing the insurance company to send us money to replace at least some of the records, I had to make a list of all that was taken - it must have been around 50 albums. I eventually replaced most of what I lost, and then some, but when you trust that your stuff is "safe" and it isn't, and you find out after the fact, it really hurts. First because of the loss of the sentimental stuff, the stuff that cannot be replaced (like original autographed stuff, etc.) second for the betrayal on the part of the thief! What goes around comes around, or as some Wiccans say "what goes out comes back threefold". One can only hope that the eternal system of checks and balances is in effect wrt the bastard that took your stuff! ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** I do have something else I want to post, but I have to get back to work... (I can't think of a quote - my brain is kind of scrambled at the moment) Amy ------------------------------ From: chip-L@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck ) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:58:40 -0500 Subject: So I lied... (Klaus in Chicago) Well, gang, plans have changed. It looks like (boo-hoo) Klaus will not be coming to Chicago as planned. So, unless someone has booked a flight to come to Chicago, it looks like the second ectogathering is off. :-( ====================================================================== Jeff "Chip" Lueck |email: chip-L@nwu.edu Sr. Programmer/Analyst |http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jlueck/plan.html Northwestern University | 555 Clark St. |"Drag me, drop me and treat me like Evanston, IL 60208 | an object!" (708) 467-1587 | ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Veda Hille & Flash Girls Interesting article on Veda Hille at http://euphony.com/euphony/articles/VedaHille-HR.html For those of you who don't know her, she's wonderful, and like most of the ecto pantheon, rather hard to describe. Quirky. Lively. Great lyrics ("I need this depression, it keeps my heartrate down"). Distinctive voice. A little folky, rocky, jazzy. I agree that describing the Flash Girls is difficult, too. They do dark folk, some trad., some funny. I think their music is Gothic in its interests--death, love, life. Kinda like some of those trad. songs about mothers killing their children, or jealous sisters killing one another. But funny, too. I also suspect that they're better live than on disc, though they're fun on disc, too. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:34:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [none] Hi, Just hit the cd store and got Sally Oldfield 3RINGS for$5. And picked up Hector's SONGS at the same time. Only scanned Sally but it seems to be a 'listener'. Loved cut 1 of Hector, started to think of Terje Rypdal as the cd progressed and found the last 1/2 or so to be verrrry slow. Maybe I'll have to wait until lichen-mode kicks in and it grows on me abit. Re:me and foreign voices: I did enjoy them even when the music dragged. Is his prior cd this slow? Is this a thread?: Annette Peacock. KrW so that the information ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:46:39 -0400 Subject: Anonymous 4 in NYC I just heard on NPR tonight that Anonymous 4 will be performing works of Hildegaard VonBingham (forgive my spelling!) on October 6 at St. Michael's Church, 99th and Amsterdam Ave. Intriguing! - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com ======================================================================= "The greater part must be content to be as though they had not been" - - Thomas Kinsella, "Nightwalker" ------------------------------ From: ptv@rtp.scm-metals.com (Patrick Varker) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 07:38:43 -0400 Subject: First Post Hi all, Even though I've been a subscriber for sometime, this is my very first post. Let me say that I do enjoy the discussions and queries very much. Ecto is definitely "THE PLACE TO BE". My name is Patrick Varker and I am located in Raleigh,N.C. We do have quite a few shows in this area and I'm lucky enough to see quite a few. My musical taste is varied but I'm really into a lot of the artist discussed here. I love Happy,Kate,and Tori of course! Last week I went over to Asheville(located in the beautiful N.C. mountains) to see a group called Bryndle. I haven't seen them dis- cussed here but let me say that they are well worth checking out. The band is made up of Karla Bonoff,Kenny Edwards,Andrew Gold,and Wendy Waldman. Probably a lot of you will recognize some of those names. They are all from the L.A. area and have worked with just about everyone from that area as songwriter,musician,producer,etc. They are touring in support of their first release as a group. The tour only has about four shows remaining on this leg(Pawling, N.Y.tonight,9-22 Boston,9-24 Amherst,and 9-28 The Bottom Line in New York. Which brings me to my question. I'm thinking of taking in the N.Y show and would like some info on The Bottom Line.(How to get tickets,how big is the place,location,etc. Any help would be appre- ciated. Patrick ------------------------------ From: guetzlaf@appsdiv.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 7:56:23 CDT Subject: Re: First Post Patrick (in his very first post) resurrects some names from the past: >The band is made up of Karla Bonoff,Kenny Edwards,Andrew Gold,and >Wendy Waldman. Back in my undergrad college days (mid-70s for those keeping score), I spent a lot of time listening to Karla (or those covering her music, Linda Ronstadt being one who pops to mind) and Wendy whenever I wasn't listening to Joni or Janis Ian (I would listen to Janis when I was depressed, it always made me feel better to know there was someone out there even *more* depressed than I was). I always wondered what had happened to Wendy, I thought she was simply divine! It's nice to know she's still out there making music. I never did get a chance to see her live although I did see Karla once, she opened for Stephen Bishop (remember him?). I was interested in Karla's music, I think we walked out during Stephen's bit. Oh my, *that's* been a zillion years ago. Thanks Patrick for helping me take this little jog down Memory Lane! - -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@cray.com ------------------------------ From: Date: 21 Sep 95 09:56:01 EDT Subject: Lincoln Park Pirates Could someone polease repost the Flash Girls tour dates in Chicago? Thanks. Regarding stolen music, a friend of mine in Orlando had all his CDs (200 or so) stolen when he and his wife were away for a week. He had the entire collection cataloged on his computer (not unlike many of us here, to be sure), but when he sent the list to the insurance folks, they said "sorry, we need actual physical proof that they existed -- like a photograph of the CDs -- or receipts!!!!!!!!" So beware, fair ectofolk, this bug bites hard. If you think you are covered for theft, think again. Walk, don't run, to your nearest camera store, and take a few snapshots of that burgeoning collection of yours. My friend in Orlando is busy looking thru his old credit card statements to try to pinpoint every CD purchase he made in the last 10 years... this, my friends is a nightmare I would not wish on anyone. Forewarned is forearmed. - -spidy ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:48:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Flash Girls Chicago Dates At 09:56 AM 9/21/95 EDT, MJM@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com wrote: >Could someone polease repost the Flash Girls tour dates in Chicago? >Thanks. November 17th and 18th at the Abbey Pub in Chicago. With Todd Menton. Friday and Saturday. FG's have added a date to their west coast tour in Eugene, Oregon... don't have the date on me, but it is on the web page or else someone can email me and I'll dig it up. Best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/index.html signal-to-noise: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/signal.html ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Lincoln Park Pirates > Regarding stolen music, a friend of mine in Orlando had all his > CDs (200 or so) stolen when he and his wife were away for a > week. He had the entire collection cataloged on his computer > (not unlike many of us here, to be sure), but when he sent the > list to the insurance folks, they said "sorry, we need actual > physical proof that they existed -- like a photograph of the CDs > -- or receipts!!!!!!!!" What a bad insurance company. Allstate? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK ***NOTE*** dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- NOW IN EFFECT! - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: Garry Potter Date: 22 Sep 95 13:15:32 EAT Subject: Re: Lincoln Park Pirates I sympathise with those who have been burgled as well. Its a violation which I hope never to experience again! I had 700 CD's stolen. By my next door neighbour no less!!! I had gone away for the weekend and my neighbour must have noticed me leaving. I managed to locate about half of my collection at various secondhand CD outlets etc... Insurance paid out on the rest but the weird thing is that I WORKED for the insurance company who covered me at the time, and they had the cheek to query my claim with friends (who fortunately backed up my claim about having 700 CD's). I didnt have my collection catalogued, but I was lucky in that I had a photo which showed it. The weirdest thing though is that I had only renewed my insurance on the Thursday and I got burgled on the Saturday. Unfortunately I havent been able to replace everything that I lost. Some items were very rare. I live for my music and it really upsets me when these things happen to others. It pays to HAVE insurance, to photograph, record serial numbers etc.. for everything. Garry (potterg@vrnotes.roads.vic.gov.au) ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:24:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Hector,ect Hello, Have listened closer to Hector's SONGS and to Sally Oldfield's 3 RINGS. I love cuts 1 3 5 and 11 on SONGS, the rest are so slow and morose that I feel like I'm stranded on an iceflow w/ no hope of ever leaving it, and I do not care to feel that way. Sally, on closer listening, has a lot of top forty sounds. I'll tape what I like and see if I can pawn it off on a friend who likes Sarah Brightman (he has a lot of punk and heavy metal *and* the sndtrk to Phantom of the Opera!?!). KrW is present but can't be ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 19:10:22 EDT Subject: Re: Concert Review: Lisa Gerrard in Gent >Yesterday I went to the Lisa Gerrard concert in Gent with a friend. I >didn't meet any ectophile and no one noticed my brand new Happy >T-shirt. :-( [...] >theater. I would have prefered a louder sound and a better balance, >at times Lisa's voice was a bit covered by the instruments. One of the >musicians, the drummer, impressed me particularly, he played an >incredible solo. Trivia department here! :-) If Lisa's using the same band she intended to, then the drummer in question is likely to be Pieter Bourke, a Melbourne person who used to be one half of the Projekt-signed Melbourne band Eden. Pieter was responsible for much of the delicate texturing of Eden's EP "Healing Bow", and their current album "Fire And Rain" is, while still very good, lacking his very organic melodic inventiveness. Pieter joined Melbourne industrial band Snog before recording some percussion for Lisa's album and then being invited on tour with her. I actually have a DAT tape here of the Eden album that was recorded at the same time as "Healing Bow" but then scrapped when Pieter left the band. It's excellent stuff indeed. - - Anthony > >The show lasted a bit more than two hours. They didn't play any DCD >songs, only stuff from the mirror pool (I think they played all the >songs of the album) with a few original songs. We got 5 encores, one >with Lisa alone with an accordion. Quite a strange combination! >I can't give a list of songs because I see her performance as a whole >not as a separate items and I was too busy listening to take notes. > >I won't say a lot about the visual aspect because I spent most of the >time with my eyes closed to fully apreciate the music without being >distracted by what I was seeing. The lightings I saw was quite nice >and the main color was undoubtedly "fuzzy blue". :-) Each song has a >particular lightning, the nicest being when a green projector was set >just behind Lisa making her look like some kind of a ghost. > >If the tour comes near your town, don't miss it. It is an unique, sort >of mystical, experience. It made me regret to have never gone see DCD >live. > >-- Yves. (diving back into the Mirror Pool :-) ) - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 19:04:34 EDT Subject: Re: Alanis: two versions of cd >>What is the sequence of numbers on the inside of the disc itself on >>the 12-track version you have? That might give us a clue. > >The numbers I have (following the "allied record company" name and >logo are "B970 1 45901-2 70 ARC *M1 S3". What are the numbers >on the 13-track version? No major clues here, as it seems that your copy was glass-mastered somewhere else! Anyway, the numbers on the disc available now are: 1 45901-2 RE-1 SRC**01 The only thing uncommon to Warner-mastered discs here is the "RE-1", which I'm guessing probably signifies a second cut of the glass master for the same title. - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 10:08:06 cdt Subject: Mouth Music, Trance Mission & Upcoming MN shows Hi folks! On impulse I went to see Mouth Music and Trance Mission last night. It was an incredible show. It was actually a stripped down version of Trance Mission--only two members--the didgeridooist and the bass(?) clarinetist. Wow! I remembered somebody discussing them before and remember being fairly intrigued, but I was really impressed. I've never seen two people make such melodic, danceable noise before. Nor have I ever seen anyone play a bass clarient (I'm not sure if it's bass or what--it's big and curved and almost looks like a sax) without a mouthpiece! Admidst blowing into the clarient, she also managed to make all kinds of strange sounds and vocal hiccups. Quite a show. They're playing again tonight with the drummer from Boiled in Lead and another member. Mouth Music was also enjoyable, but after Trance Mission, they're varied instruments and musical ability seemed quite lackluster. I hadn't heard any Mouth Music since Talitha MacKenzie left, and was quite surprised to see Jackie Joyce. I'd expected they'd replaced Talitha with someone Talitha-like. Jackie is phenomenally beautiful, in the waifish, 78-pound fashion-model style. Her voice was quite excellent at times, but she never completely won me over. Perhaps it was because of the mostly lame lyrics. However, she did do one Gaelic ballad that was quite incredible. The band was a lot of fun and overall it was an incredible night of music, which promises to be just the beginning of an incredible fall season of music. Best news---Jane Siberry tickets go on sale here Monday for a show on November 9th, at a theater I haven't heard of before (but that's not saying much--I haven't heard of many of the venues here). Can't wait for that one. Also upcoming, Cesaria Evora October 3, Lisa Gerrard October 16, Ani DiFranco October 17th, October Project October 24th, and Heather Nova, October 26th. Wow! If anyone's planning on going to these shows--let me know. Maybe we can hook up or even plan on going together. I'm hoping to make all of them, but may have to miss Ani DiFranco. Highly recommend Trance Mission for any didgeridoo fans. The didgeridoo player is also offering a workshop on didgeridoo playing on Saturday--think I'll have to pass on that. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:14:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Tori+ tapes Hello, I have some tapes that I think would be a nice addition to the Tape List, and would like some feedback. Do we have enough Tori? I have: Montreaux 92, clean, crisp + close ( so close the piano is a bit bass-y) Ballard, WA 5 6 92 clean crisp a bit farther away w/ ambience Syracuse, NY 6 29 94 clean balcony of old theater - crowd not as "reverent" Siouxsie and the Banshees : Laussanne 88 Fan Club-extra clean, etc Anaheim CA boombox in crowd less than great How about Annie Haslem's STILL LIFE? I have a vinyl, and I think it is out of print. How do we feel about in-print stuff that we'd like to spread around? It is a freebie, not a trade, and it is advertising for that artist. Please react, respond, educate, and enlighten me. Thanks KrW accessed completely until ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:02:00 +0000 Subject: Irrelevant Elephant "...I'm a dinosaur.. somebody is digging my bones..." Adrian Belew Just read in the new issue of ICE (that CD magazine thingie) that there is most excellent news afront for us closet (and out of closet) Genesis fans. It seems that there is a box set in the works for the very near future that features IMHO the best years of Genesis, 1967 - 1975, unreleased and live material. Among the items slated for release is a complete (and re-engineered) Lamb Lies Down on Broadway show from the tour of the same name. It is being put together with the blessings of all of the band members (even Gabriel), and supposedly given royal treatment. This should be interesting to see because the LLDOB shows had a reputation for being way over the top, yet poorly engineered - and "something went wrong every night of the tour" from what I recall reading in press and fanzine info over the years. I know this info has probably been posted ad-nauseum elsewhere in cyberland - I thought it would be cool to share it here since we were just talking about our favorite tunes. + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - Amy's opinionated ramblings ahead (on a story she's heard) From the darkest recesses of the Genesis file cabinet.... news is heard (read in one of those "celebrity" columns) that Phil Collins - who once long ago was miserable because his wife (wife #1) Andrea left him - - - this event creating the inspiration to write "Face Value" (a not-so-bad solo album)- - - - just broke up with Wife #2 (Jill) the one who produced his daughter Lilly. Word has it that he FAXED Jilly this note saying (in so many words) that the relationship was over (blah blah blah stop this delusion of marriage blah blah blah ) and that divorce was imminent. How 90's ! ! ! ! I know - there's 2 sides to every story (hey, didn't he do an album called "both sides"). But all I can think about is the songs on Face Value and Hello I Must Be Going that talk about his newfound love for Jill. Are we going to get a new side of (swill) Phil - the jaded on love Phil? the "I REALLY don't care anymore" Phil... comeon people - - I'm being SARCASTIC here.. :-} Okay.. now I'll be sincere. I think it's really sad for a relationship to come to a "fax". No matter how bad things have become between them..... a fax?.... :-/ . sad...First it was (the fashion of divorce) "my lawyer will get with your lawyer.. see you in court..." now it's "I'll fax my lawyer, he'll fax you...." (I'm sure e-mail is right behind).. I mean, I - myself am divorced - from an abusive slimeball who I wisely divorced after a year - so I AM NOT making a commentary on the fine art of extracting oneself from an unsuitable situation. What I'm sort of sad about is the idea that here was this man (P.C.) who at one time must have loved this woman very much - from what he showed to the outside world (the thousands of fans that bought his music). This man is now ending the relationship by something so cold as electronic medium. It's the modern equivilant of a "Dear John/Jane" letter. I kind of hope the whole story was fabricated (or at least the part about the fax) "Doesn't anybody stay together anymore....?" as Phil himself once said.... Have an nice weekend everyone - peace & chocolate! Amy ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #232 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu