From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #231 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 20 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 231 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: spanglemaker Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: jane tour? does anyone have dates for the jane tour, esp. east coast? sorry if i missed this thread and this is redundant..... thanks, chandra it takes two days to get there by train, two days to get there by boat, it takes forever if you go by inertia, no time if you don't believe, don't believe in time --jane siberry ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: x-tra cut When I went in to get Aural Grat. Vol 1, I, in passing, asked if they had AM. They said they were all out, but I could have the open copy at the listening station at used cost,$8. It has 12 on cover and 13 on music calender. 1 whole min after reprise of YOK came the accapella tune. What is its title? A man on love-hounds is offering a VIDEO COPY of Kate on SNL 1978!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KrW a different time-scale ------------------------------ From: sra5@psu.edu (Sarah Andrews) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:31:27 -0500 Subject: 2-in-1 songs, lyrics vs melody, etc. I noticed while re-discovering my Crowded House CD's (I'm so poor, as a graduate student, that I can't buy anything that's mentioned on Ecto, except Joan Osborne which I found used, so as a result I lurk a lot, and I have to go back and rediscover the CD's I haven't played to death yet) that there are certain songs that have a sort of 2-in-1 quality to them. The one that really struck me by Crowded House is "Catherine Wheels," which starts out in a sort of lush, swirling around way, and then part-way through, after a brief transition becomes something a little harder and funkier, but is still the same song. Neither part could stand alone, and together the two parts become a stronger whole. This happens in Seal's song "Deep Water." And both these songs make me want to listen to them over and over again. And this leads me into the lyrics vs. music thing. I'm a singer (at least a choral one) and when it first came up I automatically thought, "Oh, I'm a lyrics person." But that's not always true, I've been noticing. I have two sides - the one that wants to listen to "Catherine Wheels" over and over again even though I haven't figured out what the hell they're singing yet, and the one that can sing along with every Sarah McLachlan and Prefab Sprout lyric there is. And there's music I love, like PG's _Passion_, that has almost no singing at all (and none in English). And yet I can still sing along with Blondie's "Rapture" as if it cam out yesterday (well almost). One more thing - completely unrelated - I have a friend who just moved to Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago. She's having a hard time adjusting, largely because she is also getting over being dumped by her boyfriend about a month ago, and she doesn't know anyone there. Last time I talked to her on the phone, she said that she actually looks forward to Mondays during the weekend because she just gets caught sitting at home and wallowing. So...my question is, do any Philly Ectophiles have any suggestions about things she could do to fill those long weekend days in the City of Brotherly Love? I don't know, like good bookstores, coffee shops, sights to see, treasures to discover? She doesn't have a car, and I don't know the city well enough to know what she lives near, but she does live on the Benjamin Franklin Pkwy, in case it helps with suggestions. Of course, just e-mail me privately with suggestions and thanks in advance! pax, Sarah ------------------------------ From: chip-L@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck ) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:51:55 -0500 Subject: Yet another Ectogathering in Chicago I know, I know. You just read that Jens & Per will be in Chicago this weekend. Well, guess what! Klaus (Mr. Cosmic Vagabond himself) will be in Chicago the following weekend (Sept 30 & Oct 1). Therefore, another ectogathering in Chicago is in order, no? So, mark your calendars. Klaus will be leaving around dinner time on Sunday, so maybe a Saturday night get- together would be best. Talk to you all soon! ====================================================================== Jeff "Chip" Lueck |email: chip-L@nwu.edu Sr. Programmer/Analyst |http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jlueck/plan.html Northwestern University | 555 Clark St. |"Drag me, drop me and treat me like Evanston, IL 60208 | an object!" (708) 467-1587 | ------------------------------ From: Date: 19 Sep 95 20:38:17 EDT Subject: Flash Girls -- please explain... Um, yeah, right, ok, well, I don't know anything about the Flash Girls but they are coming to chicago, so, like, I have just one simple question: what, um, exactly, is a "Gothic Folk Duo"? I understand all the words, but am having trouble assimilating them together. Could you give some comparison? I'm not really up on Gothic, except I thought DCD were Gothic. Are they? Would that make Flash Girls a cross between DCD and the Indigo Girls? Like Lisa Gerrard with a guitar? Details would be appreciated. And what were those chicago dates again? - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Nicholas Hill Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:02:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Sweet Relief On Tue, Sep 19, 1995 1:17:02 PM Markku Kolkka wrote: >Just found this item on "CyberSleaze", and thought it would interest >ecto-people: >>* An all-star line-up including MADONNA and R.E.M. is set to appear on a >>benefit album for the >>SWEET RELIEF FOUNDATION. The project was inspired by the case of singer >>VICTORIA WILLIAMS, >>the beneficiary of a 1993 tribute album to help with her multiple sclerosis >treatment. SWEET RELIEF II will also >>include performances from LIVE and COUNTING CROWS. The project gave over >>$300,000 to needy >>musicians last year > >Can you imagine Madonna covering Victoria Williams? I havent seen the notices, but if this is a press release, it *belongs* on cybersleaze... This is very misleading and completly inaccurate... While the benefit album is to benefit the Sweet Relief Foundation, this "project" was not inspired by the "case" of Victoria Williams.. She founded the orginization.. man will they ever let that MS noose drop? The album is a record of songs by the Georgian singer Vic Chesnutt.. (who's three impossible to find albums are truly great, and who has just signed with Capitol Records) ... Madonna's involvement is singing with her brother in-law Joe Henry.. Victoria and Vic will do a song together... Nicholas np: Susan Mckeown & the Chanting House ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: october project: _Falling Further In_ Hi! Well, October Project's second album *finally* came out today! It's called _Falling Further In_, and on two listens I have to say it blows their debut right out of the water. Standout tracks are "Sunday Morning Yellow Sky" and "Johnny". The general sound is similar to their first album, but with more of the final moment of the last track of _OP_ poured liberally over it. Some songs really come close to rocking out. And Mary Fahl's voice is as gorgeous as ever. Basically, if you weren't enamored by their sound on their first album you probably won't be interested in this, but if you loved them from the first, this sophomore album will have you jumping up and down to the beat in pure joy. (And they thank Sarah McLachlan in the liner notes! Whee!) Just a few first impressions... :) +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| +===========================================================================+ | "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:29:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Flash Girls -- please explain... At 08:38 PM 9/19/95 EDT, MJM@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com wrote: >Um, yeah, right, ok, well, I don't know anything about the Flash Girls >but they are coming to chicago, so, like, I have just one simple >question: what, um, exactly, is a "Gothic Folk Duo"? I understand all >the words, but am having trouble assimilating them together. Could you >give some comparison? I'm not really up on Gothic, except I thought DCD >were Gothic. Are they? Would that make Flash Girls a cross between DCD >and the Indigo Girls? Like Lisa Gerrard with a guitar? Details would be >appreciated. And what were those chicago dates again? Hmmm. An intriguing idea, crossing the Indigo Girls with Dead Can Dance. Don't think that quite fits the Flash Girls, but... I've yet to find any truly apt comparisons between the Flash Girls and other artists. Well.... The Flash Girls are a mostly acoustic duo. Emma Bull sings and plays guitar, the Fabulous Lorraine Garland fiddles and sings. They're hard to describe-- I've never heard anyone quite like them. They do traditional tunes... reels and jigs and things like "Star of the County Down" and "Knickerbocker Line." They also do quirky originals. Many have somewhat dark subject matter... Love and Death are recurring themes. Neil Gaiman, creator of the Sandman comic book, writer of acclaimed fiction... writes songs for the Flash Girls, as do Bull, Garland, comic creator/writer Alan Moore, and fantasist Jane Yolen. Members of Boiled in Lead appear on both Flash Girls albums... Ah, I shouldn't forget to note that they do a number of humorous songs, as well. Some are darkly humorous, such as a song about poisoned tea, but the songs are quirky and fun, dark and haunting. Well-written. I posted the press release for their West Coast tour a few days ago. They're still adding dates to it. The dates in Chicago are November 17th and 18th, at the Abbey Pub. With Todd Menton, former front man for Boiled in Lead and a fine songwriter/musician in his own right. Oh! I'm told that one can find the Flash Girls latest album, MAURICE AND I, at Chicago's The Stars Our Destination bookstore. (While you're there, you might wanna track down Emma's acclaimed novels. She and her husband, Will Shetterly, write wonderful Fantasy and Science Fiction). Maybe Neile could help me describe the Girls to the list? Can you think of any stuff more familiar to ectophiles to compare them to? Flash Girls web site has images, some lyrics, and some soundbites from the first album. Along with complete tour information. http://www.player.org/pub/flash/flash.html Here's some of what the press has said about The Flash Girls: Recently, Jim Meyer of the Mpls City Pages wrote: "After years of reviewing music, I've come to realize that the mark of a good song is that the song either draws you in completely to a writer's point of view, or transports you off to some other dimension of reality. Local folk duo the Flash Girls manage to do both. Guitarist Emma Bull and fiddler "The Fabulous Lorraine" are on a leisurely artistic journey that begins with Celtic folk tradition, then saunters surefootedly into the modern age...the duo's attention to character and dramatic detail distinguishes their work, which is made all the more striking by Emma and Lorraine's honest delivery and uncluttered accompaniments.... MAURICE AND I affrims the Flash Girls' distinct flair for the disturbing folk ballad, best exemplified by "A Girl Needs A Knife." Yet those are balanced by a generous helping of Lorraine's original fiddle tunes, traditional remakes, and the occasional bright ode from Emma's pen. By approaching folk music more as a fun second line than a religion, the Flash Girls have created a wide-open creative space for all manner of quality material, be it humorous, haunting, or homey. The musical variety and lyrical veracity makes MAURICE AND I endlessly interesting and no small folkie achievement." Jim Walsh of the St. Paul Pioneer Press Dispatch compared the Flash Girls to TORI AMOS recently in his review of MAURICE AND I: "The Flash Girls' stories are decidedly of the here and now. In fact, tunes such as the powerful Neil Gaiman collaboration 'A Girl Needs A Knife' says as much about female fear and self-defense as Tori Amos' 'Me and a Gun' said about rape and revenge, both of which sing softly and carry a big message." Here are some older blurbs from the international press, mostly regarding the Flash Girls first album THE RETURN OF PANSY SMITH AND VIOLET JONES: The Utne Reader: "The find of the year and perhaps beyond...an album that is magical." Minnesota Public Radio: "...intricate vocal harmonies, and lyrics with a strong flavor of Edgar Allen Poe..." Dirty Linen: "...a pleasing album that concentrates on the excellent vocals of Emma Bull and the energetic fiddling of Lorraine Garland..." Relix: "Highly recommended to anyone with an inkling of interest in music of the British Isles." Minneapolis Star Tribune: "The pure, sweet and simple vocals, lovely odes, vivid tales, and a fair share of traditional takes are more than enough to satiate any fan of the Waterboys or Chieftains." City Pages: "The weird charms of the Flash Girls' modern-traditional songwriting and vocal harmonies are growing on me with each listen to their CD." Folk Roots: "It's acoustic, bold and like all things a touch wicked, delicious." St. Paul Pioneer Press: "Awash in strains of traditional Celtic, Hungarian and Norwegian guitar/fiddle/mandolin arrangements, and the tortured-to- beatific vocals (but never overwrought, unlike so many modern minstrel wannabes) of Bull and Garland...(an) exquisite CD." Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/index.html signal-to-noise: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/signal.html ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:24:04 +0000 Subject: {RP]i[ps][ps]ed Off (*sigh*) Well, after a year in storage in Delaware, much of my stuff arrived at my new house. Much of it, that is, except... I had left Delaware in a bad emotional state, and had trusted a somewhat sleazy friend (*not* from the online community) to finish up the packing and shipping. I think he's responsible for the discrepancies: my stuff arrived minus: - - my guitar - - my VCRs - - a silver-plated Bible - - all my 45s (about 6 shelf-feet worth) - - *all* my CDs -- about 3-400 of them. The guy dropped out of sight soon after I left town. Since the materials got repacked after I had packed them (after a sudden roach attack from the apartment downstairs and a bugbombing the storage company demanded before they would store the stuff), the moving company got taken over acrimoniously, and the stuff had to be repacked *again* before it was moved down here (some of the stuff that I had boxed had been tossed in plastic bags), there's essentially no papertrail of the stuff. And this is after I had *given* him a lot of furniture and other stuff that I was leaving behind! Since it had been over a year since I'd seen the stuff (and I had brought about 20 of the most precious disks on the plane with me), I don't have a very clear list of what I had, or too much of an attachement to any of the CDs (other than, perhaps, a signed FtE and a signed copy of Happy's limited edition pre-Rhodesongs thing). They're all replaceable (though the more obscure stuff is a hell of a lot harder to find in Dallas than it was in Austin or Philadelphia), but it's more the fact *that* the stuff was taken that gets to me. I seem to get consistently hit upside the head when i trust people too easily... At least I do still have the stuff that matters most to me: - - the props and costumes from my shows - - the master tapes and mixes of my own music (and my other cassettes) - - the LPs I retained (did y'all out Philly way get around to the ones I left behind among yourselves?) - - Shirah's drawings - - my written manuscripts - - all my teddy bears .. and it's all in a beautiful old house (available as an Ectohostel - -- who's keeping the list?), and I now have a good job so I can replace the ones I need. Another friend, who claims psychic abilities, told me when I got the silver Bible (under odd circumstances -- when I walked into a bookstore in my first month in Austin, the woman behind the counter, who heard me mention speaking Hebrew, pulled it out of a case, told me it had been waiting for me, and sold it to me very inexpensively) that it had strong vibes, and would be very good for a good owner and very bad for an evil owner. If that sonuvabitch back east has it (of all the items, it's the only one that may at all possibly be buried in the stuff that did arrive), I hope it f*cks up his karma unto the tenth incarnation. Sorry to dump on y'all,, but I had to get this offa my chest... *hug*s to those assembled here... - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:24:20 +0000 Subject: Re: lyrics;music On 18 Sep 95 at 13:42, kerry white wrote: > Hello, I've always had an extra attraction to foreign language tunes. > Nena, a PFM import, Kate and Deborah Harry in french, Peter G in german, Me too! I often find it easier to listen to music for which I can't understand the words. OTOH, It hasn't helped with listening to Dylan... :-) Speaking of which: Anyone noticed that a singer from the farther reaches of Ectophilia got an MTV Music Award last week? The faintly famous Faye Wong got one of the Asian awards. Wonder if she's done any more Tori tunes... - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:24:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard On 18 Sep 95 at 10:29, jeffrey hanson wrote: > reading the Reader, and what do I see, but an ad for Lisa Gerrard > performing October 16th at the Guthrie Theater--tickets on sale now. Any idea what kind of group she's touring with, and what she's doing? It would take one hell of an ensemble to do the album material live. I've listened to it a whole lotta times in the past few days -- it's thoroughly amazing. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:45:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: lyrics;music On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On 18 Sep 95 at 13:42, kerry white wrote: > > > Hello, I've always had an extra attraction to foreign language tunes. > > Nena, a PFM import, Kate and Deborah Harry in french, Peter G in german, > > Me too! I often find it easier to listen to music for which I can't > understand the words. OTOH, It hasn't helped with listening to > Dylan... :-) I wouldn't know, I listen only to old Dylan. DYLAN and the DEAD is my most current acquisition of his. And in the current Dylan situation, I'd have to add that it's *attractive* un-intelligible voices that get to me. I'd love to have some ABBA singing in Swedish, they 'sounded' ok, it was that top 40 dreck that kept me away! Speaking(Writing?systat read unhappy macnam!) of Dylan. At his ann. gala the artists were invited guests and the crowd payed to get in. When the cretins in the audience booed Sinead O'Conner, I was p***ed to the extreme that Dylan didn't come out and say,"She is an invited guest and if you strangers don't like it you can leave". At least you can hear Kris Kristoferson say to her as he escorted her off stage,"Don't let the bastards get you down!". As Maryanne Faithful says after Why'd You Do That?,"Ah, I feel better now!" KrW so that the information ------------------------------ From: Garry Potter Date: 20 Sep 95 14:11:57 EAT Subject: Zazou Hi ectophiles, This is a copy of my post sent on 15 Sept. I would be grateful if ANYONE could answer my questions. THANKS - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry to go over old territory but I was in the local Virgin store last night and picked up a copy of Hector Zazous's "Songs from the cold seas" for $Aus14.95 ($US11). This reminded me of recent posts relating to his CD "Blue Sahara" which had David Sylvian on it (Mr X). Ive accidently deleted the posts which discuss this disc and the 2nd version of it. Can someone please e-mail me privately or post to the list with the details of each disc ie. Catalogue No, tracking listings etc... so I can order a copy from my local retailer. I would be really grateful. Ive also forgotten who replaced Sylvian on the 2nd version. Many thanks for your help, Garry (potterg@vrnotes.roads.vic.gov.au) ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:14:01 -0700 Subject: Lori Carson I saw a nice video from a singer named Lori Carson on a late-night (non-MTV) video show. Anyone know anything about her? I did a search of past ectos and found no references. (I am two digests behind so maybe in there?) | mklprc@teleport.com; pmug.org; aol.com - who needs a life? | | Domain, domain, domain... You're all Netters now. | | Moonlight Mac Services (503) 653-5673 <-> help for new Mackers | | Interesting rants &such at http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ | ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 03:30:01 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Joe Zitt (jzitt@humansystems.com) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 spam Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: yves denneulin Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:52:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard Happy Birthday Joe! :-) > > reading the Reader, and what do I see, but an ad for Lisa Gerrard > > performing October 16th at the Guthrie Theater--tickets on sale now. > > Any idea what kind of group she's touring with, and what she's doing? She's touring with 6 musicians. I don't have the program here but I can post the composition of the band tomorrow if you're interested. They use orchestra samples at moments but most of the times they play "accoustic". She sings and plays several weird instruments (I don't know the names, sorry). They play the whole album, the orchestrations were often different but the ambiance was the same. > It would take one hell of an ensemble to do the album material live. > I've listened to it a whole lotta times in the past few days -- it's > thoroughly amazing. The concert I saw was even more magic than the album. Her voice is amazing live and made me fly very high. 2 hours of pure delight! - -- Yves. ------------------------------ From: JJH969@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:22:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Lori Carson In a message dated 95-09-20 01:23:33 EDT, you write: >Reply-to: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) >To: ecto@ns2.rutgers.edu > >I saw a nice video from a singer named Lori Carson on a late-night >(non-MTV) video show. Anyone know anything about her? I did a search of >past ectos and found no references. (I am two digests behind so maybe in >there?) To Michael & Ectorians Transglobal; Definitely someone worth checking out. I've had the pleasure of seeing Lori perform on a number of occasions at the Knitting Factory in New York. Lori's got an album out on DGC records called "Shelter" (DGC 9 24256-D2) Produced by Hal Wilner (Ex-Musical Director of S.N.L.) Lori was also guest vocalist on the Golden Palominos disc "This Is How It Feels." on Restless Records (7 72735-2) Anton Feir's Golden Palominos are one of my all time favorite bands. Notable Palominos' alumni include Bootsy Collins, Bill Laswell, Nicky Skopelitis, John Zorn, Arto Lindsey, Buckethead, Bernie Worrell, Syd Straw, Carla Bley, Jack Bruce, Henry Kaiser & Michael Stipe. John ---- JJH969@aol.com --- (his first Ecto post) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #231 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu