From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #224 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 13 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 224 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paula Shanks Date: 13 Sep 1995 07:52:13 -0400 Subject: Re: More on Blue Nile Marcel Rijs answers: >>Anybody know what happened to The Blue Nile? >Sure! I heard they're set to release a new album right about now! Oh, most excellent and unexpected news! Hadn't seen any breath of this on the ICE list. And he adds: >If you are looking for great music, you _have_ to buy the Blue Nile. This is >the sort of music that showcases the abilities of the Compact Disc medium at >its best! Great point. The many repeated listenings one gives to them would degrade any other medium and spoil all the space and silence they build into their arrangements. Thank you, Marcel, for a happy Wednesday. Paula ------------------------------ From: Jani Pinola Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Va:rttina: + other FFM-bands Someone (i apologise for not remembering your name, but the digest form AND the simplicity of my editor prevent me from finding out) mentioned a Finnish folk-music group called 'Va:rttina:' (the colons should be above the a's and rotated 90 degrees), which immediately gave me a chance to throw in YET-ANOTHER reply... but i digress. Va:rttina: has been a leading FM-group in Finland for a few years and has become quite popular. Unfortunately, some people think that they have compromised their music as well, becoming more 'popular-sounding' in the process. This might or might not be true, but they're still worth checking out. Personally i recommend any of their albums, as long as you remember that they're all somewhat different in content. But this is not all of it, not by far. The success of Va:rttina: gave rise to many new (and old) groups, which again has had a tremendous effect in the rise of folk music in Finland. By now there are at least a few dozen groups making records, although the people behind the most promising one's are actually quite few. To summarise, here's a list of some of the more 'ectoish' groups worth considering... Anna-Kaisa Liedes (beautiful vocals, ethnic sound) Niekku (featuring A-K Liedes, vocal harmonics) Me Naiset (a group of women singing in trad. style) (without emphasis in female vocals, but still quite nice (at least to people who consider music above lyrics...:)) : Pinnin Pojat (a duo of two leading f-musicians of Finland) Folkkarit (the folk music band of the year 1995) Salamakannel (skillful group of musicians, new stuff) The Helsinki Mandoliners (for those mandolin-lovers out there) plus many more that i cannot seem to remember right now. The only problem will be the actual acquisition of the records, but i suggest you contact the 'Fazerin musiikki' or 'Musiikki Fazer' in Helsinki, and they'll be proud to deliver you anything you need (beware, the prize may be a bit high). Some of the records are available overseas and in Britain. If you find it impossible to obtain a record via Helsinki, please contact me through e-mail and i'll see what i can do about it. Also if you need more information considering Finnish folk music or groups, feel free to e-mail me anytime. Singing off (nope, no typo there), Jantsu ______________________________________________________________________________ Jani Pinola, Hakkitie 7, 90230 OULU, FINLAND. Tel.: +358-(9)81-338872 jpinola@phoenix.oulu.fi * jpinola@zombie.oulu.fi * Jonquil @ IRC 65N 01'10" 25E 32'50" (GMT+2) ------------------------------ From: Jani Pinola Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:43:20 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: the health of Sari Kaasinen In reply to Markku Kolkka's msg: Actually, Sari wasn't particularly ill when she decided to skip the American tour, but it might just be that it has something to do with her being pregnant... :) 'The village was waitin' for the new moon', Jan-Tsu ______________________________________________________________________________ Jani Pinola, Hakkitie 7, 90230 OULU, FINLAND. Tel.: +358-(9)81-338872 jpinola@phoenix.oulu.fi * jpinola@zombie.oulu.fi * Jonquil @ IRC 65N 01'10" 25E 32'50" (GMT+2) ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:44:17 -0500 Subject: Re: animation series On 12 Sep 95 at 16:19, Joanna M. Phillips muttered: > p.s. I LOVE "The Tick" !! :) He has the best quotes. Well, The Tick and the Brain both do. "Eat my justice" was great this past Saturday. There have been others, but there are so many, it's hard to keep track. ;-) One of the best episodes was where The Tick was fighting Mucus Tick. YUCK!! The best part, though, is that Bandai (?) is coming out with a Mucus Tick figure! Molded in green, translucent, "rubberized plastic". The Tick is great...if you like the TV series, pick up the comics. A little more "adult", and in some cases, even funnier than the series. However, if you want first printings, expect to pay a pretty penny. Since the series came out, the value has almost doubled ($40 for a first printing of #1). Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:44:18 -0500 Subject: Re: toons! On 13 Sep 95 at 1:23, Steve VanDevender muttered: > What network is this show running on? I heard nothing whatsoever > about it until Matt's message, which wasn't particularly helpful > in providing information about how to find out when and where it > would be on. Someone already posted which station in the New York area has it, but also be aware that WGN carries it as well, in case this station comes across your cable. > I'd have to agree than Pinky and the Brain are probably best in > small doses, much like Itchy and Scratchy. But I'd at least like > to see in person if the show is disappointing. I initially thought the same thing. However, the morning premier was a gas. It even had James Belushi as one of the guest voices. If you're REALLY into P&tB, then you need to get the a Warner Bros. store around Christmas time. They're releasing P&tB slippers, where one is Pinky, and the other is Brain. Gads, this stuff is great! Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:44:18 -0500 Subject: Re: toons! On 12 Sep 95 at 20:18, beach house tiki god typed diligently: > >Anybody else looking forward to the > >premier of "Pinky & the Brain" this Sunday? > > i was looking forward to it, as i had heard tons of great things about > them from many another friend and had not yet seen them on animanics > (or wherver it is that they come from). Correct. The Animaniacs. > alas, i was kinda disappointed. fortunately, so were said friends, for > pretty much the same reasons: a pretty dull plot and characters that > staled after 10 minutes. i suspect that in short doses, which i > understand is the accustommed delivery method in their native land, > they would be great. Which premier? The morning one, or the evening one? The morning one was a take off on The Hunt for Red October, and the evening one had the mechanical suit. The morning episode was definitely better than the evening one, but the evening one still had a few great parts. I don't know exactly how many Pinky and the Brain (P&tB) "episodes" were on The Animaniacs, but there were some quite wonderful ones. "Pavlov's Mice" and "When Mice Ruled the World" were two of the best. If you can, you really need to see these, just to see what P&tB is capable of. I've got most of them taped, and you can also buy a "pre-recorded" tape called "You Will Buy This Video". It has one of the better episodes, called "Bubba Bo Bob Brain". What a crack up!! I put this video on my "Christmas Wish List" last year, and my mother-in-law told my wife that it was awful bold of me to write down that "you will buy this video". She didn't know it was the title of the video... Matt ------------------------------ From: "Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:34:12 -0400 Subject: Pinky and The Brain Hi, > > alas, i was kinda disappointed. fortunately, so were said friends, for > > pretty much the same reasons: a pretty dull plot and characters that > > staled after 10 minutes. i suspect that in short doses, which i > > understand is the accustommed delivery method in their native land, > > they would be great. We haven't watched tv for months, so I don't know what it's like now, but Todd and I found it hysterical when it was on (and yeah, it was in small doses) -- and no *grin* it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the fact that Todd is tall and skinny and silly and I'm short and have been known to, on occasion, very infrequently, be a teensy bit bossy... :) - -Sage _________________________________________________ Sage (the Galactic Web Empress), Todd, eight feline cohorts and the Web Empire: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" ------------------------------ From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 07:13:06 PDT Subject: Bowie/NIN ticket for sale Hi, I have an extra lawn seat ticket for this Saturday's Great Woods Bowie/NIN show, that I am willing to sell to whoever wants it for face value. The catch is that being stupid the ticket is being held at the box office so you can't have it in your hands before the show... Please let me know by e-mail if you are interested. Thanks, Angelos ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 08:07:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Music vs. Lyrics again Dirk writes: >Industrial dance music is the only music I can dance to, because it's >made for dancing. There are no lyrics that "disturb" me and the beat >is straightforward. If there's a good DJ he's mixing one song into the >other without any break and the tempo and complexity of the tracks >increase. I hate it if each song is different from the other, because >you always have to stop and listen "What comes next?". Dancemusic >or techno or house is like a drug that you can't escape from. And if >the dancefloor is full of fog and the strobo lights are on you're in >another world. Sometimes I need this, but I don't do it very often. > >Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE WRT Dancing, I think that music with a beat certainly inspires what most of us think of as dancing... I tend to like to dance mostly to stuff somewhere inbetween "Dance music" and others... however, moodiness always prevails, meaning that my mood is the ultimate determiner. Some music has practically no beat, not even a steady measurement, and I feel driven to dance to it at times (I must admit Kate Bush's Jig of Life, Hello Earth, Ice, and Waking the Witch are favorites of mine to dance to)... albeit a more interpretive (a la some of the "modern" dance moves")... I do, however, enjoy going beat crazy with something like Pele Juju sometimes as well.... (does anyone know if their name is derived from the Hawiian goddess of the volcano or from another source (I do know they studied African drumming fairly intensely (but of course!))). - -Richard. ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Jewel Hi, Ariel-- I'm going to drop this discussion now as it's totally down to personal taste, which is impossible to argue, anyway. As you probably know from earlier postings, I only like three songs on Alanis's album, so it's going to be hard to convince me about the worth and strength of her material. It's equally unlikely I'll be able to convince you of the value of Jewel's. To me Jewel's songs don't seem simplistic, to you Alanis's don't--at this point purely a matter of personal taste. They're still both interesting artists and it will be fascinating to see where they both go from here, whatever we think about them now. Vive la difference! - --Neile P.S. cc'ed to ecto so everyone knows why I haven't come back with a frantic rebuttal ;) ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: hector zazou's "chansons des mers froides"d > goes for siouxsie and the banshees. hector has another one out that i know > of, "sahara blue", for which i've been looking ever since i heard it - the > first song is performed by anneli marion drecker, of bel canto, whose voice > and style i lovelovelove. can't remember who else is on it though. kevin? > want to share? :) there are two versions of sahara blue, one with a couple of songs by david sylvian (i believe that's his name...) (aka mr. x), and the other with those songs replaced by songs with dead can dance... also on the album are gerard depardieu, anneli drecker, and since i don't have it in front of me right now i can't remember any more . um, imo, chansons des mers froids is a better album, musically... although "i'll strangle you" could make a great dance remix ;). the lyrics on _sahara blue_ are from the poems of arthur rimbaud. kevin ------------------------------ From: squid@dns.cpbx.net (John Shepard) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:07:44 -0400 Subject: Music or lyrics? My take: Don't let the address fool you: I'm really jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu, the same old squid with a shiny new account. I'd have been dropping my (0.02 x $1.00) in here sooner, but I've been kinda busy on FTE. What gets me in music? Hmmm... I go for texture. I go for sound. I go for escapism, music that, when I push play, I'm no longer in the same place. I go for visuals. I like mentally seeing my music. Great lyrics helps, although I have unfortunately found that great lyrics don't always save mediocre songs. No, the first impression of a song is going to, most likely, be a mix of the melody, rhythm, lyrics, and sound overall, weighted heavily toward melody and sound overall. And since all our perception of music is based on impressions, that first impression will be the one to stick for the longest. Oh boy, I should have a lot more to say about this! My brain is worn out from saving the world on FTE. :-) I'll say more later... as I think of it. :-) As much as music is a part of my life, you'd think I'd be able to write coherently about it. | http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | John Shepard squid@mail.cpbx.net | A1200 with 850M Seagate | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! | in the making. | |"Sympathy's wasted on my hollow shell." -Sarah M. | Fuck James Exon hard. | ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:37:03 -0500 Subject: Flash Girls West Coast Tour Here's the press release on the Flash Girls west coast tour... They're seeking help in promoting themselves and the shows, also seeking more gigs while they're out there. Contact info is at the bottom of the Press Release... or contact me via email and I'll get info to the appropriate people. - --- CELTIC MAYHEM ARRIVES ON THE WEST COAST FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE KILL DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1995 (Minneapolis, MN) During the last two weeks of October, Celtic mayhem revels along the West Coast: the Minneapolis duo Flash Girls will make their first- ever tour of Washington, Oregon and northern California. Look for appearances in the Northwest from the 19th to the 25th, and in California from the 26th through Halloween. Anticipation has been very high for this tour. Confirmed dates: Monday, October 23 Dublin Pub, Portland, Oregon Thursday, October 26 Fogg's, Mountain View, CA Saturday, October 28 San Geronimo Valley Cultural Center in Marin, CA Tuesday, October 31 The Palace of Fine Arts, San Francisco, CA (benefit for Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, opening for Neil Gaiman) The Flash Girls are Emma Bull, the fantasy author, and The Fabulous Lorraine. Between them, they produce a blend of music that ranges from dark gothic horror to airy Irish dance tunes. In 1994, they won the Minnesota Music Academy's "World Folk Group" award, and their music has been praised by reviewers on both sides of the Atlantic. Folk Roots magazine called it "acoustic, bold and like all things a touch wicked, delicious." Minnesota's City Pages said "the Flash Girls have created a wide-open space for all manner of quality material. "Audiences at Flash Girls shows soon discover that they've been transported into a bizarre other world, full of haunting melodies and strange, unnerving sentiments and peopled by odd creatures, many of whom you wouldn't necessarily invite home to meet your parents -- such as the protagonists of "A Girl Needs A Knife" or "Banshee". On the other hand, this fantastic landscape has the occasional pothole, such as the hapless explorer who finally finds his "Yeti". Meandering through this odd country, stitching it all together, runs The Fabulous Lorraine's fiddle. With songwriting (and cover art!) credits by notables fantasy authors and comics writers, many fans of several different genres have been clamoring to see Flash Girls live. Too, their music has generated a great deal of interest on its own, receiving substantial airplay both locally and internationally. The Flash Girls' latest CD, Maurice and I, produced by Adam Stemple of Boiled in Lead features the songwriting efforts of Bull and Lorraine, Neil Gaiman (creator of DC comics' Sandman), fantasy author Jane Yolen, legendary Watchman creator Alan Moore, Nashville/Minnesota songwriter Mark Henley and a bunch of dead guys from Ireland and Scotland whose names have been forgotten but whose music continues to cause toes to tap and fingers to snap. Maurice and I is available from Dreamhaven Press at 1-800-379-0657. FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, contact Amacker Bullwinkle at (415) 962-4371 Check out their website at http://www.player.org/pub/flash/flash.html Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/index.html Seeking webmaster, internet training/writing work... signal-to-noise (Flash Girls mailing list) is online again... ------------------------------ From: "Jessica Koeppel" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:10:17 -0700 Subject: Re: hector zazou's "chansons des mers froides"d On Sep 13, 11:28am, Kevin John Contzen wrote: > there are two versions of sahara blue, one with a couple of songs by > david sylvian (i believe that's his name...) (aka mr. x), and the other > with those songs replaced by songs with dead can dance... Yuck! That means I need BOTH versions. --jessica ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:01:18 -0400 Subject: david torn on npr all things considered broadcast a segment on david torn this afternoon (during the first hour of the program, in case some of you folks out there receive atc on a station that broadcasts atc later). he made no mention of happy, but bearsville was brought up - npr is getting closer, ever closer. the segment was pretty good: after an introduction, it consisted completely of musical cuts interspersed between clips of david talking about his music, his brain tumor (yikes! i didn't know about that!) and his new album, _tripping over god_. if anyone needs a copy, let me know - i managed to smack a tape in the deck and record it. woj ------------------------------ From: Date: 13 Sep 95 16:55:20 EDT Subject: tori zep cover Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? Is there any Tori on here? And what *is* "encomium"? Thanks, as always. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:09:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Dreamtime Hello, Some time ago, a friend had access to a color laser copier and we made some mini posters of some of the photos in a couple of the Kate books. I am looking for a copy of Dreamtime and would like to trade visual for aural. Sorry, none are for sale because I have a modicum of respect for copyright stuff. KrW Aha!!!! What's wrong, Stones? I sat on my pipe!!! ------------------------------ From: "Stuart P. Myerburg" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: hector zazou's "chansons des mers froides" Kevin said: > there are two versions of sahara blue, one with a couple of songs by > david sylvian (i believe that's his name...) (aka mr. x), and the other > with those songs replaced by songs with dead can dance... also on the > album are gerard depardieu, anneli drecker, and since i don't have it in > front of me right now i can't remember any more . um, imo, > chansons des mers froids is a better album, musically... I agree. I like _Songs from the Cold Seas_ *much* better than _Sahara Blue_. I was never able to appreciate anything on _Sahara Blue_ except for "I'll Strangle You," yet I like almost every song on _Songs_. Plus, Jane Siberry's "She's Like the Swallow" is worth the price of the CD. > although "i'll strangle you" could make a great dance remix ;). Actually, there are some remixes of "I'll Strangle You" on a promo single I picked up. But none of them are really noteworthy. The only good part about them is that they ended up getting rid of Gerard Depardieu's annoying mumblings. Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: tori zep cover mjm queries: > Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin > ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? > Is there any Tori on here? Yes there is Tori. The duet with Plant is the final cut, "Down by the Seaside". I haven't heard it, but the scuttlebutt made it sound as though it was awful. > And what *is* "encomium"? "glowing and warmly enthusiastic praise" - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #224 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu