From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #219 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, 11 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 219 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Replies for the week Hi! Sage mused: >I miss them too -- I've always said that the ultimate musical group would be >made up of 4 women, with harmonies that make me cry, and lyrics that tell a >story. Any suggestions? :) Anonymous 4. Granted, the stories they're telling are mostly in Medieval Latin and stick to religious subject matter, but there are translations in the liner notes if you really must figure out what they're singing. :) >Yup, and I find myself feeling that way about Tori's music as well. I guess >I get frustrated, when there's *so much* behind the story, and maybe that's >because I'm a writer...? Like: tell the whole story or don't tell it at all. >Or something. (Damon, your nonsensical way of talking is catching *grin*). But one of the things that makes it great is just that: the story is lurking there in the shadows, and it's our job to figure it out. I like lyrics that force me to think -- I'd rather be a bit confused to start off than be hit over the head with the story the song is telling. Richard Wondered: >So, I'd love to hear the Lizard Queen... after dredging up memories of >the lizard king who can do "anything".... well, wonder if Patricia >Morrison has any spins on that - what name does she write under now, >and are her books available? She writes under her legal name, Patricia Kenneally, and has a number of Celtic fantasy novels out (if I recall correctly, some of them have great Tom Canty cover art), the titles of which are escaping me right now. _The Throne of Scone_ comes to mind as one - I think it's a trilogy or something. Her books should be available at any bookstore that has a well-stocked SF/ Fantasy section. I once had a very interesting dinner with her at a convention several years ago when she was just starting out in the field. I was going through my very short-lived Doors phase at the time and was good friends with a girl who quite literally worshipped Jim Morrison as a god and refused to believe he was dead (she wasn't even born when he died, come to think of it), so I enjoyed the experience immensely. Kenneally is a weird bird, but a nice person I guess. I tried to read her first novel but couldn't get past the first chapter -- maybe I should try her again. Neile opined: >Well, I think the lyrics to ecto stuff tends to be better than top 40 >music, but I can't say I think that very many lyrics stand up without the >music. >... >There are very few lyrics I would want to read without the accompanying >music playing in my head at least. Hmmm... while I'll certainly agree that most lyrics wouldn't stand up as "poetry", there are a few songs that I have long considered poetry on their own. I'm thinking in particular of Kate's "Love and Anger" (the lyrics of which I printed out and had hanging on my wall for a while when I was in college, since they really resonated with me at the time) and Jane's "At The Beginning of Time". I figure my definition of "poetry" is a lot broader than yours, though -- I think there are as many definitions of what constitutes poetry as there are readers (and poets). Valerie took the 30,000 Lira for her thoughts: >If I had to label myself, I would be a lyrics person. However, I've found that >in my favorite music, the lyrics and the music interact to tell a story. One >example of this is Bjork's It's Oh So Quiet. The lyrics by themselves are good, >but lack a lot (hmmm....that applies to almost all of her music, really). But >the music highlights the meaning of the lyrics, adds new meaning (the way the >music rises and falls), creating a whole package. Isn't "It's Oh So Quiet" a cover of a song from the 30's? Granted, her interpretation of it is what makes it so great, but you can't blame her for the lyrics. :) >And if a lyricist puns, then I'm hooked. Still singing the same song after all these years, I see... >Yet no song has >ever really made me cry just from the lyrics alone. In fact, only one song has >ever made me cry -- Moments of Pleasure, by KaTe. And that's only because it >reminded me (and still does to this day) of my father's death. Yeah, I can see how that one would do it. :( There are very few songs that have brought tears to my eyes: the live versions of Tori's "Me And A Gun" and "Baker, Baker", and Iris DeMent's "I Ain't Got No Time To Cry", which floored me the first time I heard it -- since I was driving to work at the time, that wasn't a very good thing. Even now, whenever it comes on the radio (as it does often, since WFUV has a soft spot for it) I have to turn it off. I just can't handle it. A quick word about TV licenses: Though it would *never* happen in the good old capitalist US of A, if we had to pay TV and radio licensing fees, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting would have no reason to exist, we'd never have to deal with another fund drive, and NPR/PBS would have all the money they needed. I'd gladly pay a yearly fee for my TV and radio -- it would probably add up to less than I donate to the various public broadcasting outlets I support each year. But then again, I wouldn't mind paying taxes if I knew the money was going to good things like guaranteed health care and not to rebuilding the war machine, either. :} One question, though -- how the hell couldthose pirate-detector vans work?!? I thought they were just European urban legend. Anthony reported: >Well, after nearly five months of gently hinting to Mushroom (or more >accurately, White Records) that they might like to release the song themselves, >they rang me out of the blue and said they'd decided to go ahead with the >release. It comes out on October 2nd, and we're all pretty excited :) Yay!!!!! That's so cool. >Incidentally, if the song charts, the royalties go up, so everyone reading >this in Australia... (and New Zealand as well, I believe) buy it! :-) If you want to import some copies, you know where we live... Land of the Blind pleaded: > Ecto band needs HELP! Land of the Blind, a Portland, Oregon band, >fronted by four women is going on their first national tour and wants to >hook into clubs/radio stations/colleges who are into ecto music. Tour is >scheduled for this November. Dates already booked on the east coast end >are, 11/15 Bloomington, IN; 11/17 Chicago; 11/18 Pittsburg; 11/24 Ithaca; >11/25 Buffalo. Would like to add additional dates while east after 11/25, >any suggestions on clubs? any suggestions on cool radio that might host us >playing live? also can we stay at your house?!?HAHA! West Coast is being >scheduled for first two weeks in November. If you can get your hands on a New York City phone book, look up the numbers for Brownie's, The Mercury Lounge, Tramps, and Irving Plaza. Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ would also be a possibility. Up the road to Connecticut there's Toad's Place in New Haven, The Globe in Norwalk, and Tuxedo Junction in Danbury. Hope that helps a little! Sorry I don't have phone numbers, but Information is your friend. :) Ariel opined about Jane: >But "Incarnadine" gets to me, just for that one line, "The first time I >leaned over you and looked into your eyes, I said to myself, "This is what >it must be like to have everything you'd ever want." So I can't listen to >that song much; it depresses me. :> That reminds me of something. A note to those in the audience who may have problems with _Maria_ because it was largely improvised and recorded in 3 days, yet who love "Sweet Incarnadine" from WIWAB: "Sweet Incarnadine" is really an excerpt of a largely improvised 20-minute opus a la "Oh My My" that didn't make it onto the album in its full form. (I'm not really addressing any one person here, but there has been lots of discussion of this over on the siblings list and I'm not sure how much of that might spill over here as well. :) +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| +===========================================================================+ | "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 18:53:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Replies for the week Meth writes: >She writes under her legal name, Patricia Kenneally, and has a number >of Celtic fantasy novels out (if I recall correctly, some of them have >great Tom Canty cover art), the titles of which are escaping me right >now. _The Throne of Scone_ comes to mind as one - I think it's a >trilogy or something. Her books should be available at any bookstore >that has a well-stocked SF/ Fantasy section. > >I once had a very interesting dinner with her at a convention several >years ago when she was just starting out in the field. I was going >through my very short-lived Doors phase at the time and was good >friends with a girl who quite literally worshipped Jim Morrison as a >god and refused to believe he was dead (she wasn't even born when he >died, come to think of it), so I enjoyed the experience immensely. >Kenneally is a weird bird, but a nice person I guess. I tried to read >her first novel but couldn't get past the first chapter -- maybe I >should try her again. I myself haven't read her stuff, but it was mentioned to me once, and since I've recently started reading fiction again (Emma Bull, Sherri Tepper, so far), I'm trying to collect some people that I like... Thanks for the tip... - -Richard. ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: random blatherings I've been finding all the lyrics vs. music discussions quite interesting. I'll like a song for either reason, but am (naturally) happiest if it hits on both fronts. It's definitely the sound and general feel of the song that hits me first though. However, pure emotional impact seems to come from something beyond (or apart) from either the lyrics or the music. While I like a lot of music, there is very little that hits me emotionally. But when it does, it doesn't seem directly connected to either the music or the words. It's something there in the voice. I don't know my music terminology well enough to spell it, let alone give it a name like timbre or tone or resonance or whatever. It's just when the right notes are combined with the right voice in the right way, it vibrates through my body. Only a handful of people come to mind that have managed to do that to me - Aimee Mann, Sarah, Jewel, Tori, disappear fear, OHO (defunct Baltimore band), and many scattered others that have done it eratically. Just the way Jewel sings "Angel" in various places in "Angel Needs A Ride" works for me. I wouldn't say the lyrics are brilliant at all there. She does it in a few other songs too, notably "Thousand Miles Away" and "His Pleasure is my Pain". Aimee Mann does it all over "Whatever" and "Everything's Different Now", and occasionally on "Welcome Home" ("Coming Up Close" in particular.) Sarah didn't do it until FTE, with "Mary" being a prime example. Frequently I'm surprised when I sit down and read the lyrics to music I like a lot, and find that the random, disconnected phrases I have pieced together actually form some sort of coherent thought or story. And I'm much more a singer than dancer (though probably even poorer at the former than the latter), but the act of singing a song doesn't mean that I'm going to "get" the lyrics at all. I could be singing Cocteau Twins songs or something in a foreign language I don't understand. Much of the time this feeling is tied in with repeated strong live performance, though not always. I guess all the above are the more somber, sadder feelings, where they just wrench at my heart. I still have a soft spot for some tunes that always lighten my step and make me grin stupidly, like old Pogues and Clancy Brothers, and other, faster tunes. Thoughts? Neal ------------------------------ From: hinshaw@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Hinshaw) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:09:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Music Vs. Lyrics This thread is so great! (Great enough to pull me out of lurk mode, even!) Recently I had been wondering about the relative importance of melody/harmony/lyrics/beat to people. I definitely fall into the "music first" category. I hear and think harmonically when it comes to music, so great harmony makes me melt. But hey, I'm an instrumentalist, so what do you expect? Sage scoffed: > I was horrified > to find out that she didn't even KNOW the lyrics to most of the songs she > liked :)! Ha. That would be me, in a nutshell. Although I don't usually realize that I don't know the lyrics until I try to sing along in the car, only to discover that I can only remember every fourth word. :) My lyrical awareness (or lack thereof) definitely varies from artist to artist. There are certain CDs which I listen to primarily when I'm working, and for those I'm much less likely to know the lyrics. "Livonia" by His Name Is Alive falls into that category. Whereas I just can't listen to Ani DiFranco when I'm working, because the words are so great that I'm constantly distracted! Ironically, my favorite Broadway shows are by Stephen Sondheim, witty lyricist extraordinaire. And with his stuff, its the clever lyrics that will grab me first. But I'm hooked because the music is so well-crafted. Maybe not attention-getting, but there's so much there that I always hear something new when I listen. It's nice to know there are so many word-oriented folks out there though. It gives me hope that if I should ever decide to do some song composing, I could find somebody *else* to contribute the lyrics! (Believe me, you wouldn't want me writing them....) -] Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:42:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Music Vs. Lyrics On 8 Sep 95 at 18:16, jessica wrote: > Very few songs have actually made me cry. The songs that have made me cry are kinda embarrasing: Barry Manilow's "Mandy", Madonna's "Oh Father", and the string quartet version of "YMCA" from... I forget the name of the movie. Go figure. I tend to hear lyrics next-to-last in a song, *after* the texture, melody, and beat, with only harmony (which I've never grokked anyway) following it. I can be passionate about near-nonsense in songs, or vapidity redeemed by the music. I find almost-good lyrics more annoying, oddly, than truly bad ones. Often, a single out-of-place word in an otherwise good lyric will stick out really badly. Other times, I have the feeling that the singer hasn't quite clicked in with the words. Tori's lyrics on UtP are an example -- I have the feeling that she's in the process of busting loose from very meaning-based words to something more textural, but hadn't quite made it, ending up with something in between. My favorite lyricists? Leonard Cohen, Eno, Bowie, REM, Peter Himmelman, David Lynch, Jane Siberry, Elvis Costello, Kate, and a few others. Like Neile, I'm also very picking about poetry -- though I wouldn't be surprised if the poetry that we pick would have very few items in common. Right now, I'm avidly reading books by Ron Silliman, Jerome Rothenberg, Jackson MacLow, and Leonard Cohen. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:41:51 +0000 Subject: Re: The Blue Nile On 8 Sep 95 at 15:09, Paula Shanks wrote: > Following up on another couple of things recently: Ian Tyson puts out > records pretty regularly. He's on the folkie Sugar Hill label--sings > mostly cowboy music these days. The long-ago wife Sylvia Fricker Tyson > may still record but if so she doesn't seem to get distributed here. I > think she was a TV host for a while. Yow -- wanna see how mangled memory can get? I had remembered that Sylvia was connected with a label from New Jersey that released Grandmaster Flash records. Well, this explains it: there's >another< Sugar Hill (or perhaps Sugarhill) Records out there, which had Grandmaster Flash, the Sugarhill Gang, and others -- and I believe it is (or was) run by someone else named Sylvia! Memory trumps reality again! Joe (who is avidly awaiting the arrival of his records and all that other stuff from Delaware next week or so...) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: Paula Shanks Date: 11 Sep 1995 07:58:02 -0400 Subject: Re: The Blue Nile I was going to mention the duelling Sugar Hill labels problem, but I wasn't sure if the rap label was still in business. I remember first picking up an Ian Tyson tape in the early 80s and thinking--Ian Tyson on Sugar Hill?!?! You're right about the Sylvia at the head of the rap label, too, though I don't recall her last name, either. Where are the Incorporation Police when you need them? ------------------------------ From: myoung@valleyoak.herb.berkeley.edu (Maggie Young) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:54:55 PDT Subject: Re: Replies for the week Richard Wondered: >So, I'd love to hear the Lizard Queen... after dredging up memories of >the lizard king who can do "anything".... well, wonder if Patricia >Morrison has any spins on that - what name does she write under now, >and are her books available? And Meredith responded: >>She writes under her legal name, Patricia Kenneally, and has a number of >>Celtic fantasy novels out (if I recall correctly, some of them have great >>Tom Canty cover art), the titles of which are escaping me right now. _The >>Throne of Scone_ comes to mind as one - I think it's a trilogy or something. >>Her books should be available at any bookstore that has a well-stocked SF/ >>Fantasy section. In order of appearence: The Copper Crown, The Throne of Scone, and The Silver Branch (The Silver Branch is actually a prequel to the first two, giving details about the early lives of the characters, and How It All Started). These are collectively referred to, I think, as the Chronicles of Aeron, or somesuch. She's also got two books out in a second trilogy which takes place in the same universe some centuries earlier...These are The Chronicles of Arthur (yes, *that* Arthur), and so far there is: The Hawk's Grey Feather and The Oak Above the Kings. (the third may be out in hardcover now, but I can't recall the title.) I'm quite fond of the series, myself. Slainte! Maggie ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:23:39 -0500 Subject: Re: sarah info and concert news On 10 Sep 95 at 21:35, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE muttered: > And tickets for Jane Siberry at the Iron Horse in Northampton, MA on October > 19 and 20 are already on sale -- call 1-800-THE-TICK (*not* Ticketslime :). > There will be a bunch of us ectophiles there on Saturday the 20th. Hmm... I wonder if Arthur will be answering the phone? "Eat my Justice" - The Tick. For those who don't understand, don't worry about it. It's not too important. However, if you're extremely curious, ask me, I'll let you know... Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:36:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Off color... On 8 Sep 95 at 20:14, Steve VanDevender muttered: > "Matt Bittner" writes: > > ...unless you have a great TV. Anybody else looking forward to the > > premier of "Pinky & the Brain" this Sunday? Probably the best > > animated characters yet. ZOT! > > When? Where? Narf! Sorry to be away from the computer for awhile, but you've probably missed it. It was on the Warner Bros. Network, both in the morning, and in the evening. Locally, we have one station that caters to WBN, as well as the Universal Pictures Network, so I'm lucky in that regard. However, I did see that (for sure) WGN had it on at 9:30am, Sunday. Locally, it was on at 10:30am and 6:00pm. Great episodes. This is truly the best _current_ animation series. Unless you count The Tick, as well... Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:36:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Millions of replies (very long) On 8 Sep 95 at 12:01, Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly muttered: > >I have a suggestion for a group with three vocalists. Unfortunately, > >they just broke up, so they only have two recordings out. From > >Cleveland, they're Odd Girl Out. The lead singer decided to go off > > Is this something I'd be able to find at a chain record store or should I > just not even bother looking there and mail-order it? The group sounds > extremely interesting. Hard to say. Probably mail order would be your best bet. I'll bring in the CD tomorrow (which has the address on it), and you can go from there. However, I have no idea how they're handling this, now that they've broken up. Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:24:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Music Vs. Lyrics (and earthquakes) Jessica writes: > Oddly enough, [my friend] died October 17th. The exact date of the > release of the album (The Sensual World) with the song on it. > (also the date of the big earthquake in CA). what year was that. '90? October 17, 1989. And because of that, I'll always associate TSW with the earthquake. About an hour before the quake I was catching up on LoveHounds/Gaffa, reading the first messages from people about TSW... and just afterwards I remember pouting slightly that the stores would probably be closed for a few days and that I wouldn't be able to get a copy . Clearly misplaced priorities! - -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Music Vs. Lyrics > The songs that have made me cry are kinda embarrasing: Barry > Manilow's "Mandy", Madonna's "Oh Father", and the string quartet > version of "YMCA" from... I forget the name of the movie. Go figure. that was the Silver Lakes Trio (? i think) in the movie "Longtime Companion"... a wonderful movie. for me, it was the movie as a whole, building to the point of the string version of YMCA that caused the emotions, rather than simply the string version of YMCA itself:) (actually, the point where I cried was just a bit later, when there's that sort of daydream thing and it hit me how incredibly much we've all lost.. one person is too much to lose. ) kevin ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 13:02 PDT Subject: Re: Music Vs. Lyrics (and earthquakes) >October 17, 1989. And because of that, I'll always associate TSW >with the earthquake. About an hour before the quake I was catching up >on LoveHounds/Gaffa, reading the first messages from people about >TSW... and just afterwards I remember pouting slightly that the stores >would probably be closed for a few days and that I wouldn't be able to >get a copy . Clearly misplaced priorities! er... nope! definitely not, at least when we're talking about kate :) :) take care damon (who has decided that he is often a "lyric person" too, but not as much, and not *usually* right off the bat...) _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:26:00 +0000 Subject: TV (Nation) & Movies Okay.. I haven't quite finished reading the weekend's digests but I must post before I miss my train of thought.... + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + Vickie mentioned the program "TV Nation" YES!!! I LOVE that show! In case I missed a description about it... it's put together by filmmaker Michael Moore (the guy who did the fine documentary "Roger and Me") There was an equally engrossing piece on that program Friday about newspaper monopolies. The "last" show in the series (to my knowledge) was Friday, but it may re-appear in reruns or on another station.. or at least... here's hoping! If you get a chance, check it out at all costs! * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Saw 2 GREAT movies this weekend, completely different from each other in all respects. First one is a truly unsettling film called "Exotica" . I believe it is a Canadian film, but that's all I know about it's origins. Any of you Canadians (or former Canadians) familiar with this one, or the director (his name is Atom.... and I cannot remember is last name...) help me out on this one.. It is a most difficult movie to explain without giving away its secrets, other than to say a good portion of it takes place in an exclusive "strip" club run by a pregnant woman who resembles Isabella Rossalini. The other characters are equally interesting..... (very interesting) The pacing of the movie is like that of a strip tease, slowly revealing the plot, and it's characters - until the last 40 minutes or so, where the characters are "naked" so to speak - or you see the truth that has only been teased at through the first hour and a half. It is an excellent film, but as I said, most unsettling, and very dark for most of the film. Oh yeah.. it has a great soundtrack to boot - all East Indian or Indian-inspired music. The second film is an unfortunately overlooked "children's" film called "The Little Princess". I believe it is based on a pre-existing kids story (what movie isn't nowdays right?) that tells about the relationship between a little girl and her dad. It takes place in (I think...) 1916. The girl "Sarah" is raised in India by her dad and various "support" people (her mom is deceased). Her life is full of imagination and colorful surroundings. Dad gets shipped off to WW1 (they are British) and the little girl gets sent to boarding school in America (Boarding school = mean headmistress, bullying spoiled girls, but also lots of storytelling!). The rest... you have to see the film.... But I will say that I cried throughout 50% of this movie and I am a pretty jaded individual - it takes a lot to get me to cry at movies nowdays. Very very well done... the acting, the cinematography, all superb. My "date" mentioned to me (this was his second viewing) that parts of this film were shot in Chicago (it must have been a well-kept secret because I hadn't even heard of this film until my friend mentioned it). I love movies that have not lost the art of storytelling. This, while it is a "kids" movie, is one of those that appeals to the kid in all of us.! |;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;|;: Oh boy would I love to stick my $.02 in on the topic du jour - lyrics vs. beat (or music) but..... I'll save that for when I've had a chance to catch up on what everybody else is talking about. ************************************************** One more thing tho.... there IS some justice in this world.... BYE BYE (senator) BOB PACKWOOD!!!!! (don't let the door hitcha in the ass on the way out.....) -#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-# Amy "Music hides me so well, and reveals me (oh well), you can find me in hiding" H.T. Rhodes :-) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #219 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu