From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #212 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 7 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 212 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beach house tiki god Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:14:00 -0400 Subject: ectopics phew! everytime i finish catching up with the e-mail onslaught, i swear i'll never let it slack off again...yet here i am having spent the labor day weekend intermittently catching up with a week and a half of too many lists! sheesh! you think i'd learn sooner or later, no? anyways, here are some comments... JC214@aol.com sez: >Subject: which comes first? the mortgage or the cds? why ecto, of course! is there any doubt in it? ;) >over the rhine:till we have faces - i'd say for fans only um, i-forget-who sent meredith a copy of this a year or two ago. the first time that we listened to this, we didn't recognize the band at all. we were mightily embarrased when we realized who it was. i have not listened to the album much since then, so i don't know if i'd agree with your assessment of this album. >heather nova:oyster -excellent! meth & woj: do i dare tell you that joe and i >will be at toads sept.21st? could it be possible that we will finally meet?? sssssshhhhh! >fairport convention:the jewel in the crown - i enjoyed them so much at the >newport folk fest last year but was kind of disappointed with >this....probably shouldn't have listened to unhalfbricking first my initial reactions to _jewel in the crown_ were disappointment too. some of the songs on this album are real dogs. on the other hand, there are some real, ahem, jewels here as well. the instrumental songs prove that they can still folkrock with the best of them. the more traditional songs with vocals are quite good too - especially "the naked highwayman" and "slipjigs and reels". i've come to look on this as a flawed jewel: if they cut out some of the boring tunes and stuck to what they know best, it would have been an excellent return to form. >magnetic fields: umbrellas 7" vinyl - i want to kiss stephen merritt. and if >you haven't heard "wasps' nests" by the 6ths you're missing the BEST album of >1995 IMHO! damn! another single?!? argh. guess another trip to pier platters before they cloe is in order (hoboken/nyc area 'philes will be distressed to learn that pier platters will be closing within the month!). by the way, i agree about _wasps' nest_. if you like the magnetic fields, this album, which combines the instrumental talents of mr. merritt with the vocal talents of the pop alternative, will probably also be to your tastes. Neal Copperman sez about heidi berry: >My version is a little different then this. It's solely on Creation, and >while it just says Below The Waves on the front, it says Below The Waves, >plus Firefly on the side. the firefly part was early recordings that got added to a later reissue of _below the waves_. i do not know if the _firefly_ songs were previously released or not. i'm sure those who are curious can check the eyesore database (http://www.evo.org/eyesore/ i think). by the way, my copy of this is on dutch east indie, so an american release is also available (though certainly out of print). Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com sez: >Whatever happened to.... >In Tua Nua? Michael Colford repliez: >They had an earlier album (the name of which escapes me). the album is called _vaudeville_ and didn't have an american release. i do not think it was ever released on compact disc either (my copy is vinyl too). pink sez: >well ammee mann's album has been postponed until jan of 1996. well, at least it will eventually get released. >i just got jane's new album (finally, man everyone on siblings >was talking about it, while piddly me had to wait until it actually came >out!). like everyone said, JAZZ. i said before on siblings that i drew parallels between _maria_ and david sylvian's later work as he stripped away the pop from his music. afte repeated listens, i still think that's the case, though i don't know if jane was consciously aware of it, based on what she has said about the recording of _maria_. that said, i like the album a lot too! >anyone notice though, that the packaging of the album really >looks like something that windham hill would put out? nope. missed that one. >of course jane used to be on windham hill. well, only technically. she was on duke street records which was distributed in the states on windham hill. she didn't actually record for windham hill. >and finally heard the first two song by jonatha brooke and the >story. i really miss the other woman who was in it, but it is damn >good nonetheless. i really miss the harmonizations. i mean that is what >makes the story. yeah, with the leaving of jennifer, i'm kinda mystified why she decided to retain the name. i've heard that she kept the name for purely recognition value, and that she her next album will be released just under her name. still... (contrast this with my feelings on the 10,000 maniacs name debacle, pop quiz on thursday). >BUT jonatha has a gorgeous voice, and her song writing >is really good. i have already heard good reviews of it.... i *really* like the single "nothing sacred," but the rest of the album didn't impress me as much. i do agree about her voice though - i really like it. "Matt Bittner" sez: >Just picked up _The Visit_, and WOW! How else to explain it? >For those recommending this in light of _the mask and mirror_, way to >go! The two discs go hand in hand. I would consider, thought _the >mask and mirror_ more layered; more textured. Some might so more >"produced", but I think it goes beyond that. nah. more complex. where _the visit_ draws on the celtic traditions, _the mask and mirror_ draws on celtic, spanish, moorish and arabic traditions. the merry mix-up leads to a more complex, and imho interesting, sound. >For some questions: Has anybody seen her live? meredith and i missed her on the visit tour (bad woj! buy tickets in advance!), but we did see her on the mask and mirror tour. not having anything to compare it to, i'd say the show was totally brilliant. :) pink sez: > also has anyone heard of a band named LICORICE. they are on the >4ad label (how they got there is beyond me, because they are not really >4ad stuff, more like small time indie sarah or k records). i think the >singer used to be in tsunami. nope. she still is in tsunami. licorise is a side-project between jenny toomey and some other folks in bands from around the d.c. area. i don't have the record, but i'm told it's fine. i believe the 4ad release is because ivo has taken a shining to american indie bands. unrest, which features mark christiansan who was with jenny in grenadine, and air miami, the post-unrest band, both have albums on 4ad as well. THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE sez: >Subject: still alive and posting in light of the recent discussion about europe, i'll note that this reminds me of the canadian pop metal band kick axe's tune "alive and kicking". anybody else remember that one? "Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly" sez: >I've always considered the lyrics more important than the beat, is this >usual with ecto folks, I wonder? not really in my case. lyrics are the last thing (usually) to sink into my brain with any album. case in point is jane's _maria_. i don't have a handle at all on what she is singing or singing about. it's not that i don't understand what she's singing or can't understand her meaning - i just don't retain the words until i have listened to a lyrically complex song quite a bit. >-Sage, who just found out that her web page might be featured on a British >TV show! :) congrats! stuff a web page i was responsible for was reported on in the washington post. woo hoo! ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 00:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ectopics Scorned by the tiki god: > >over the rhine:till we have faces - i'd say for fans only > > um, i-forget-who sent meredith a copy of this a year or two ago. the > first time that we listened to this, we didn't recognize the band at > all. we were mightily embarrased when we realized who it was. i have > not listened to the album much since then, so i don't know if i'd agree > with your assessment of this album. > neal = i-forget-who Oh well, sorry it didn't impress more. I'd disagree with the assessment though. I absoluely love 'til we have faces. I'm not sure how much of an Over the Rhine fan I am either. Caught 'em once in concert and was only marginally impressed, but liked the look of the disc, so I bought it anyway. I wasn't sorry at all. It was a great pleasent surprise. I found the songs catchy and clever, and had many of them stuck in my head for months. On the other hand, I've only recently bought Patience, and with the one or two listens I've given it, it didn't grab me. I wouldn't write it off without paying more attention to it, but I definitely was grabbed by Faces much more. Neal ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:30:01 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *************** Richard Dean (Richard.Dean@central.sun.com) *************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:37:05 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Hi you all, I'm back at last!! After three tries I hope this mail is going where it should -> Ecto. There has been so long since I left the list to join the navy April last year and I've really missed you guys and gals. This time I've brought with me a friend of mine who has become Happy-addicted Welcome to Ecto Tracy, hope you will enjoy this wonderful fuzzyblue world of Ecto. Love, Yngve ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 22:31:25 +1200 Subject: Re: Hi you all, I'm back at last!! Yngve!!!!! > After three tries I hope this mail is going where it should -> Ecto. > There has been so long since I left the list to join the navy April > last year and I've really missed you guys and gals. This time I've > brought with me a friend of mine who has become Happy-addicted > Welcome to Ecto Tracy, hope you will enjoy this wonderful fuzzyblue > world of Ecto. Welcome back!!! *HUGS* It's good to hear from you! And welcome to Tracy, too! yours, Philip ------------------------------ From: Brian Bloom Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:20:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Hi you all, I'm back at last!! > > After three tries I hope this mail is going where it should -> Ecto. > There has been so long since I left the list.... > > Love, > Yngve # # ### # # # # #### # # ###### ### # # ## # # # # # # ### # # # # # # # ##### # # # # # # ### # # # # # ## # # # # # ### # # # #### ## ###### ### Wow!!! He's back!!! Gee, I remember Yngve first showing me the ropes in IRC several years ago... Welcome back, Yngve, and welcome to you too, Tracy.. br!an the moo-man - -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| br!an / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| bloom / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / brianb@intex.net \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ http://www.intex.net/bb/ I don't care if I'm right or not, I just don't want to be *wrong*... - me ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 13:21:00 +0000 Subject: Somewhat pointless delurk A most serious case of EWS is when you use your brand new credit card to get a cash advance for your new apartment (so in other words, Amy, you're paying rent in 2 places at the same time right? ... . . right!) and then charge $30 at the pet store (hey they needed new litter boxes and some more furry mice okay?) and then lots more on the OTHER (not quite maxed out) card for paint and cleaning supplies (which I'm told, the landlord will reimburse me for) and then going to the CD store to find that they have the soundtrack for "Crumb" (which i've been looking for) and then wanting to buy that shiny new computer on sale but have to wait for 25 minutes and deal with this rude inexperienced store clerk while she runs a credit check to see if I qualify for the 6 months-same-as-cash-deferred payment plan or I would have to run up the brand new credit card, and so I retreat to the listening stations to listen to Heather Nova and Jewell (AWESOME!)... go back to sales clerk to see that not only has she not run the credit check, but my application was sitting open to the world on a counter on top of some returned merchandise. So Amy retreats with tail between legs... no new computer (maybe in another month or so) and only the Crumb CD (at this point the lines were wrapping around the store and my temper had risen to a maximum temperature capacity - now I have 2 more CD's I must purchase - as I if I didn't have a big enough music-jones going!). "...once I was a credit to my credit card..." peter gabriel BUT... the place is beginning to look great - 10 days til move-in. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ I received my copy of the HBP yesterday - waaaay cool! (no spoilers here except......) Chip & Valerie - you two are truly sick and twisted individuals - hey! I respect that in a person ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AAAHHHLLLLL BE BAAAAAAAHHHHHK amy (hell on wheels...) ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 95 17:07:29 EDT Subject: Saturday night epiphany Late Saturday night, A local alternative rock show called _JBTV_ had Jewel as its in-studio guest. It occurred to me that if they can have Jewel on that show, they could eventually have Happy. This is something that Susanne and co. ought to work on; the particulars have already been transmitted to Bob for forwarding to her. Mitch ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Amy X Neuberg news Stolen from alt.music.alternative.female - ---------- From: racer@racerrecords.com (Kristi Wachter) [1] Amy X Neuburg's new CD & WWW site Date: Mon Sep 04 18:25:10 PDT 1995 Organization: Racer Records Lines: 16 Hi everyone, I just wanted to mention a new album by Amy X Neuburg, called "Utechma". Amy's music is sort of experimental pop/intelligent rock. You can check out complete lyrics and about 11 sound clips from the new album at http://www.racerrecords.com/AmyXNeuburg.html along with info about her first album, "Songs 91 to 85". Thanks! Kristi Racer Records - ---------- I really like most of _Songs 91 to 85_ (there are a few forgettable songs but the rest are wonderfully memorable and lively and funny and good music). I'm looking forward to the new one! - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Amy X Neuberg news On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Neile Graham wrote: > I'm looking forward to the new one! Me too. Emily Bezar and Amy are good friends, and she tells me that the new album is outstanding. Glad to see it's come out at last! D^2 ------------------------------ From: rlovejoy@netaxs.com (Robert Lovejoy) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:35:18 -0400 Subject: IRC is dead; long live IRC? Say, #ecto is a wasteland these daze. Not even idiots there. Perhaps it is safe to meet there again? While I was but an occasional visitor, it was nice to drop in and meet ectophiles live and in person. And now it appears the MUD has fallen away (or has it?)(it was empty last I tried, some months ago). How about it? Anyone want to try IRC again? Robert, with a new IRC client and nowhere to go! ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 22:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rumors and replies Hi! The rumor mill churneth away. I'm going to try to find out what the deal is with Sarah McLachlan on WNEW tomorrow night (though no matter what I'll set the timer on the stereo, since the supposed broadcast is the exact same time as Suddenly,Tammy! is playing at Cafe Sin-e and we're not missing that :), as well as find out if the other rumor I heard -- that Sarah is opening for Annie Lennox at Central Park SummerStage on Friday night -- is true or not. I sent mail to Nettwerk, so we'll see what happens. I do know Annie Lennox is playing SummerStage, but I have no clue what time or with whom or any other important details. Sigh. One Sarah fact I *do* know for certain is that she's the featured artist on WFUV tomorrow. Sarah songs all day long! Whee!!! I finally tracked down the Brothers McMullen soundtrack, and her new song "I Will Remember You" is growing on me quickly. It doesn't have the wallop of anything on FtE, but it's very nice, and I think it would do amazingly well if released as a single. On to non-Sarah matters. Another interesting thing I heard lately is that Jennifer Kimball is going to be singing backup for Patty Larkin on Larkin's current tour. Interesting, especially in light of the fact that the reason Jennifer reportedly left The Story was because she was sick and tired of touring, hm? Anyway... Someone inquired: >> WHO has the new jonatha brooke & the story cd? i want to know >>about it! and Sage replied: >Just bought Plumb, and I *adore* it. I was a little leery of buying the >album, because one of the things I really loved about The Story was that >ethereal harmony, but the new album is incredible. Different, but >incredible. Like woj, I like the single (though not as much as he does), but the rest of the album hasn't done that much for me. Yet. I've only heard it once, so I'm reserving judgment for quite a while! :) >My favorite lyrics so far are: > >"It's the American way, the new world order >We hold these truths to be self-evident >In the American day you must give and I shall take >And I will tell you what it moral and what's just >Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I kill" When I first heard these lines I thought "my, how cheesy", but reading them here in their entirety, I have to retract that comment. Sadly true, yes. >I've always considered the lyrics more important than the beat, is this >usual with ecto folks, I wonder? With me, definitely. Lyrics are always the first thing I notice and latch onto. >(On that note, this web page, called 10 >Cheeziest Songs of the 1980's, might give some of you a chuckle: > >http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/tobye/tomlinson.html Oh Valerie, are you listening? ;> woj whined: >phew! everytime i finish catching up with the e-mail onslaught, i swear >i'll never let it slack off again...yet here i am having spent the >labor day weekend intermittently catching up with a week and a half of >too many lists! sheesh! you think i'd learn sooner or later, no? No. Definitely not. >um, i-forget-who sent meredith a copy of this a year or two ago. the >first time that we listened to this, we didn't recognize the band at >all. we were mightily embarrased when we realized who it was. woj is, of course, using the "royal we" here. I knew damn well who it was -- that's why I arranged the trade with Neal to get the dub of the then-out-of- print album to begin with. (Just to set the record straight. :) >>heather nova:oyster -excellent! meth & woj: do i dare tell you that joe and i >>will be at toads sept.21st? could it be possible that we will finally meet?? > >sssssshhhhh! Yeah, see what you did, Chuck? Heather had to go and rearrange her entire tour just so we wouldn't meet at her Toad's show. If you hadn't said anything, she'd still be sticking to the guitar-and-cello plan, and we'd be golden. ;) >>Subject: still alive and posting > >in light of the recent discussion about europe, i'll note that this >reminds me of the canadian pop metal band kick axe's tune "alive and >kicking". anybody else remember that one? No, but I remember Simple Minds' song of the same name. :> Amy commented: >Chip & Valerie - you two are truly sick and twisted >individuals I'm not going to rush to judge Chip (though there may well be some guilt by association there), but I've known Valerie is sick and twisted for many a year. It's always amusing to watch someone else make the discovery. ;> +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| +===========================================================================+ | "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 00:04:06 -0400 Subject: Recent purchase: Garbage Hi, Has anyone heard of Garbage? Their self-titled album (which I assume is their debut) is my most recent purchase. And it's certainly my most surprising acquisition in a long time. I mean, a band called Garbage? I caught the video for their single "Vow" on MTV a couple of weeks ago. Just seeing the name on the screen conjured images of half-naked punks, high on glue, making the most god-awful anti-establishment corporately-packaged noise. But that impression evaporated milliseconds later as a low female voice growled the opening lines: "I can't use what I can't abuse And I can't stop when it comes to you" The guitars blew open into a mean, noisy beat. "Whoa!" said I. "This is intense!" The song continued: "You burned me out, but I'm back at your door, Like Joan of Arc coming back for more." And thus, a first in my CD buying habits came to pass. I saw the video and I bought the disc [head hung in shame]. Garbage's sound is unique -- pop, blues, grunge and trip-hop mixed together. Imagine Portishead possessed by Hole or perhaps Elastica. In fact, Garbage sounds like what I wish Elastica were. In sentiment, Garbage is as moody as Hole, but without the paralytic self-pity. This a woman who seems to have "lived through this" and is really ready to do some damage to the people in her life. She has angst, she has depression. She knows she has problems (one of the songs is called "Only Happy When It Rains.") In parts she laments the role she's playing and wishes for redemption. But none of that will stop her from being strong enough to survive the hell she's in. From "Not My Idea": "You thought I was a little girl You thought I was a little mouse You thought you'd take me by surprise Now I'm here burning down your house... ... This Is Not My Idea Of A Good Time" The vocalist's name is Shirley Manson -- her voice is powerful, mature, sonorous. If her voice were weaker or childish or grungy or anything like Courtney Love's this wouldn't be half the album it is. Steve Marker is credited with guitars, bass, samples, loops and Duke Erikson mans the keyboards as well as guitar and fuzz bass. Never heard of any of these folks before, myself. I just realized the guy credited with "drums, loops, noise and efx" is Butch Vig. I don't know what else Butch has done, but he co-produced Smashing Pumpkins' _Siamese Dream_ with Billy Corgan. BTW, some of those "loops" include samples from Single Gun Theory and The Clash, very nicely blended. Last night, I caught WDRE playing "Queer" from this album. A cool, creepy, sexy song. So this thing is getting airplay. The back of the CD booklet has a shot of the male band members in the background, covering their faces, while Shirley Manson has her face right in the camera, boggling her eyes and pulling the edges of her mouth into a huge joker smile. I think that image sums up the attitude of the album. If you can stand the attitude and the noise (personally, I love them both) get this album. - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com ======================================================================= "The greater part must be content to be as though they had not been" - - Thomas Kinsella, "Nightwalker" ------------------------------ From: Garry Potter Date: 7 Sep 95 14:59:59 EAT Subject: Re: Recent purchase: Garbage Michael Doyle recently talked about his recent purchase of the Garbage album. Its really taking off here in Australia. The single is in the top 10. Butch Vig is *famous* for producing Nirvana's CD *Nevermind*. Garry potterg@vrnotes.roads.vic.gov.au ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:34:53 -0800 Subject: Re: still alive and posting :) At 12:11 AM 9/4/95, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: >Hi! Hi Yourself! (; >Today we went shopping and picked up Jane Siberry's _Maria_ on CD (I won't >go into my experience trying to get this album at the local Strawberries the >day it came out -- I'll just say one word: Clueless); as well as Lisa Gerrard's >_The Mirror Pool_; Jonatha Brooke and The Story's _Plumb_; the _Brothers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is that filed under Brooke, or Story? I tried to find it under Story, but had no luck. - -Jeff ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #212 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu