From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #205 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 29 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 205 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirk Kastens Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:53:52 +0200 (DFT) Subject: Re: Happy experience On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Sarah Andrews wrote: > as soon as I move from the area?), while I was doing some housework. And in > the middle of one of the sets I got this really weird Happy "feeling" like, > is this song by Happy? And lo and behold, at the end of the set Ann Delisi > informed me that it had, in fact, been Happy. Now, how in the world did I > know that? The same thing happened to me again this last weekend during the Well, that's part of Happy's subliminal promotion. On her promo disks, Happy has underlaid the songs with an unhearable whisper "Happy Rhodes, Happy Rhodes..." ;-) Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 Albrechtstr. 28 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: gtp10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr G.T. Parks) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 09:57 BST Subject: Change of email address Sorry to bother everyone with this, but I'm awfully busy at the moment (too busy to join in the 70s prog reminiscence fest!), and this will enable me to kill several birds with one stone. From the end of this week gtp10@phx.cam.ac.uk will cease to be a viable email address for me but any of gtp10@cus.cam.ac.uk, gtp10@cam.ac.uk or gtp@eng.cam.ac.uk should work. Geoff Parks ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 20:30:32 EDT Subject: Re: Chicago Hope Vickie wrote: >> That was just on in the US? Could it possibly be that we're seeing >> Chicago Hope in Australia *before* it airs in its home country? Naah, >> surely not! We had that episode here a couple of weeks ago, though... > >It's the summer "re-run" season, so we're seeing a lot of episodes >multiple times. The episode with Christoper Penn (the angry brother of >a heart patient who holds an OR hostage) has already been shown 3 or >4 times. It's (IMHO) the best episode, so I don't blame them for >showing it over and over again. The new season starts September 18. Ah, I should have thought of that. OK, no giving away the plot of the remaining episodes, anyone...! :-) >(Have you heard the good/bad news? The bad news is that Mandy Patinkin >is leaving the show. Argh. He's a brilliant actor, and he works so well with Adam Arkin (who, incidentally, I miss as Adam in Northern Exposure). > The good news is that Christine Lahti is joining the show.) Good news indeed - though I wish they had a way of bringing Margaret Colin's character back (she played the doctor who died of an unexpected brain disorder - - and the episode preceding the one in which she died was one of the most moving things I've ever seen). It was a strange thing - they brought her into the show as if she was going to become a new permanent character, let you get to know and like her character, and then killed her off. Shame. She's one of the most under-rated actors on TV, too. >It's nice to know you're watching CH way down there in Oz. Do you >get ER too? Ooooh yes we do! :-) In fact, ER is the highest rating US drama show in the history of Australian television. Or was, until they ran out of episodes. I like both shows; ER is more an action show (but with good character development a la NYPD Blue) wheras Chicago Hope is far more of a character piece. It was interesting to see them ripping each other's storylines off this season; the gang-kid-attacks-hospital-with-gun plot device ended up on both shows the same week here, thanks to Chicago Hope's run starting some months after ER did. I'm starting to sound like a TV junkie now...! Whoops, time to watch Melrose Place... :-) - - Anthony > >Vickie (yeah yeah...I *don't* just watch PBS) > > >"Taking on the net was a colossal blunder for Scientology. Think of how >many standard deviations worth of collective intelligence the net represents! >Now imagine all that energy and creativity directed toward teaching those >smug, lying, barratrous motherfuckers a lesson they'll never forget! Fuck >with us, will you? I DON'T THINK SO!" > > -- Jim Lewis > > - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: subscribe (sorry) yes, this is a post with no musical content. a friend has finally succumbed to my year long campaign to get him to join ecto--only i've forgotten how and lost my faq. could some kind soul remind me so i can put him on the road to EWS? thanks, chandra ------------------------------ From: "Sage Lunsford & Todd M. O'Reilly" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:26:55 -0400 Subject: Mandy Patinkin *swoon* Oh no...don't get me started on Mandy Patinkin! :) >Argh. He's a brilliant actor, and he works so well with Adam Arkin (who, >incidentally, I miss as Adam in Northern Exposure). AND they let him sing!! And no *grin* I don't have every single album he ever did, just most of them... I have this fantasy that they'll put Mandy Patinkin and Bernadette Peters in a Broadway show together where they'll sing Sondheim duets for the rest of eternity and I can see every show free *laughing*. Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves to hear him sing/see him act. >I'm starting to sound like a TV junkie now...! Whoops, time to watch Melrose >Place... :-) Oh no -- the PBS police are coming to get you -- run! :) >>"Taking on the net was a colossal blunder for Scientology. Think of how >>many standard deviations worth of collective intelligence the net represents! >>Now imagine all that energy and creativity directed toward teaching those >>smug, lying, barratrous motherfuckers a lesson they'll never forget! Fuck >>with us, will you? I DON'T THINK SO!" >> >> -- Jim Lewis Great quote! Feeling a million times better today, despite getting disparaging email criticising my writing style -- made me feel bad until I noticed that "wifes" was the LEAST of the grammatical errors... - -Sage _________________________________________________ Sage (the Galactic Web Empress), Todd, eight feline cohorts and the Web Empire: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" ------------------------------ From: Sam Warren Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mandy Patinkin *swoon* >AND they let him sing!! And no *grin* I don't have every single album he >ever did, just most of them... I have this fantasy that they'll put Mandy >Patinkin and Bernadette Peters in a Broadway show together where they'll >sing Sondheim duets for the rest of eternity and I can see every show free >*laughing*. I'm not sure whether you're referring to the _Dress Casual_ album, where they perform the score for "Evening Primrose," or the one Sondheim show they actually did do together (Sunday in the Park with George), but I wanted to say that Stephen would obviously give me free tickets too (since I'm his number one fan), so maybe we could sit together? It'll be nice to sit next to someone with such great taste! - -Sam ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:44:43 -0500 Subject: Queries... Heard a new song from Lisa Loeb on the radio. What do other's think? When I believe that Omaha is the wasteland of touring artists, turns out Juliana Hatfield is coming to town Oct 19. Recommendations? Thanks. Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Hickory Dickory Dock Two Mice ran up the clock The clock struck one And the other escaped with minor injuries - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another whatever-happened-to Whatever happened to.... In Tua Nua? An Irish band, they released one album that I know of, _The Long Acre_ (don't remember the date--late '80s or early '90s), a thoroughly decent record. "Wheel of Evil" got some radio play, as I recall. I never heard from them again, but it's certainly possible that I missed them. What made me think of them? I heard Mae Moore's "The Pleasuregrounds" on the radio a couple of days ago, and during one phrase ("dragging my feet through these pleasuregrounds"), she sounds just like Leslie Dowdall from In Tua Nua. I thought, "new record from ITN???" before I found out who it was. I'd have liked to have heard more from them. Alas. - -- Kate - ---------------------------------- "Life will be happier for the on-line individual because the people with whom one interacts most strongly will be selected more by commonality of interests and goals than by accidents of proximity." -- J.C.R. Licklider, 1968 "I'm a scary girl, with a scary mind." -- Happy Rhodes - ------------- http://www.transarc.com/~tabasko/Home.html --------------------- ------------------------------ From: Michael Colford Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Another whatever-happened-to On Tue, 29 Aug 1995 Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com wrote: > > Whatever happened to.... > > In Tua Nua? Gosh! I loved In Tua Nua! I was fortunate enough to see them perform live at The Paradise in Boston, and it ranks in my TOP 10 all time great shows. What an intense, dynamic band! > An Irish band, they released one album that I know of, _The Long Acre_ > (don't remember the date--late '80s or early '90s), a thoroughly decent > record. "Wheel of Evil" got some radio play, as I recall. I never heard > from them again, but it's certainly possible that I missed them. They also had a video for the song, All I wanted. Basic performance piece, lots of sepia tones, etc., but since they were such a dynamic band, a very nice video. They had an earlier album (the name of which escapes me). I have it on vinyl. There is a cover of Jefferson Airplane's Somebody to love on it. Sadly, they have long since broken up. > What made me think of them? I heard Mae Moore's "The Pleasuregrounds" > on the radio a couple of days ago, and during one phrase ("dragging > my feet through these pleasuregrounds"), she sounds just like Leslie > Dowdall from In Tua Nua. I thought, "new record from ITN???" before I > found out who it was. I'd have liked to have heard more from them. Alas. You know, I can see the comparison! Leslie Dowdall had a tremendous, voice. A bit more powerful than Mae's, I think. I miss In Tua Nua alot. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:05:54 -0700 Subject: Kate Bush cover This question has been bothering me for years... When I was in college, I remember playing a cover version of Running Up That Hill by a band, I think from Canada. For some reason I think it was Blue Rodeo or The Blue Aeroplanes. Anyone know this song? ==> Valerie ps. My newsreader is down -- so rec.music.gaffa is no help. ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:08:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Virginia Astley Funny that the subject of Virginia Astley should crop up. I was thinking of her music just the other day... At 5:29 PM on 8/28/95, Marion Kippers wrote: >Virginia Astley started performing (with the Ravishing >Beauties) and recording sometime in the early 80's. She >studied music but soon started to compose her own material, >performing and experimenting. She plays piano, keyboards and >synthesizers, flutes and sings. Her voice is high and thin, a >bit childish, and not very strong, but it does suite her >music. [...] I don't know of anyone who's been able to get past her voice, actually. It's a very childlike vibrato-less girlish voice. But to me that's part of her style... she sings sweetly - like a child - these horribly dark lyrics... > [...] People like Philip Glass, Brian Eno and >Laurie Anderson have also been mentioned in connection with >Virginia's approach to music (back then in 1983). Gawd... I really have no idea who I'd compare her stuff to. The only point of reference I can think of is Julee Cruise, with her thin singing voice. (ever heard Cruise speak normally by the way? It's bizarre - she has this deep boisterous voice that would, in another age, have been called "lusty". Quite a contrast to her singing style.. Too bad Astley didn't hook up with Angelo Badalamenti and become David Lynch's musical darling for a while... we might have heard a bit more stuff from her.) That and someone called Kate St. John. (more on that later) >Virginia's first album was "From Gardens Where We Feel Secure" This is the one that Ryuichi Sakamoto heard and was, apparently, quite taken by. I have a 3-track EP she released around this point. It's called "Melt the Snow" and consists of a mournful piano and string trio track, (one in which the viola and cello really set the tone) a slightly bouncier tune with lyrics, overdubbed harmony vocals and flute and one pizzicato string track with piano and tinkly bells, etc. It's credited to "Virginia Astley, Audrey Riley, Anne Stephenson and Jocelyn Pook." I bought it in London aeons ago... it even still has the price sticker on it. "HMV Price - only #3.29", which seemed an awful lot of money for a 12" EP in those days. This EP was released in 1983 on "Rough Trade - Happy Valley Records". > [...] My >favourite song is the perfect little popsong "Love's a lonely >place to be", which was almost a hitsingle in the UK in 1983, >with fairy-like tinklebells, but don't be fooled by the >music... Somebody once requested this 'lovesong' to be played >on the radio for his girlfriend, who then broke up the >relationship. "You're not my friend and I'm not your friend / >how can we deceive / ourselves like this"... There's a remake of this on her next album, but I sorta preferred the first version. >The only thing I know about her other (more recent) releases >is that she worked with David Sylvian (or the other way >around) on "Hope in a darkened heart" (1986?), but that's >about it. I also don't know if those first two albums have >ever been released on CD, or in the US - I've still only got >the European releases, on scratchy vinyl... "Hope in a darkened heart" is the album I have. It was released in 1986 on WEA and was produced by Ryuichi Sakamoto of Yellow Magic Orchestra and much critically-aclaimed solo work fame. It's quite different from the EP, which was entirely acoustic real instruments. "Hope" is nearly entirely synthesized, and is totally covered with Sakamoto's production fingerprints. To the point where I wonder how much creative input Astley had on it, as it sounds very much like a lot of Sakamoto's earlier work - around the time he collaborated with David Sylvian's Japan. (though perhaps that's totally unfair of me) The tracks feature uncredited fretless bass, rich synthesized washes and fills, prominent Sakamoto-style electronic percussion (sharp attack and decay - have a listen to Japan's "Taking Islands in Africa" to know what I mean) and lots of repeated triplet patterns. It also has lots of sampled trumpet, oboe, violin and piano melodies weaving in and out. Only one track reflects her earlier work - "A Summer Long Since Passed," which is lalas and piano and rural English bellringing sounds. Lyrically it reflects the childlike qualities of Astley's singing - with a twist. It reminds me of a young teenager's dark gothic fantasies - angst-ridden and brooding, withdrawn in painful self-conscious isolation. It's a strange effect to hear this sweet little-girl voice singing awkwardly adolescent lines like "Like a corpse deep in the earth I'm so alone..." and "I've heard all your lies, your boring tall tales. I've tasted your tongue like a worm from the grave..." Ew! I can only assume that Ms. Astley wasn't exactly in the highest spirits during the recording of this album. Even the most cheerful tune on it - "Darkness Has Reached its End" has a very bathetic turn to it. "Darkness has reached its end... I'm told." *I'm told*! Like a pin through the bright red balloon... But there's a certain charming naivete to it as well. My favourite line is probably "Like a lying government you're no good at all." :) The duet with David Sylvian (that's all he did on the album - guest vox) is a bit odd. It's got the rigid 4/4 structure of a church hymn, with precise sequencer triplets. A strange dirgelike tune, that sounds like grey stone trying to be upbeat. (to mix my metaphors a bit) Anyway, as usual my needless dissection of the album probably makes it sound pretty awful, or at least comes across as me not liking her stuff. Which isn't true - I rather like both records. But they're sort of guilty private pleasures (unless you're talking about sharing with a global family like Ecto :) because nobody I know likes either album. Which is understandable - the strange mix of vocal style, pop sensibilities and depressing lyrics isn't the most eminently marketable blend. I really doubt the EP I have was ever on cassette or CD, but "Hope" was released on all three media, it seems. The album I have has little icons for cassette, LP and CD with catalogue numbers next to each one. I guess it didn't sell or something, and I haven't heard of Astley since. I did hear rumours on CBC Stereo's Brave New Waves that she married somebody (an unlikely pairing, given musical backgrounds, as I recall... someone from some English post-punk band) and had a kid so I expect she had other priorities. In any even the reason I was thinking of Astley's work was because I picked up a cheap label compilation the other week, for a new label called "Gyroscope." It was a low-priced promo CD containing work by Roger Eno, Andy Partridge (XTC) and Harold Budd (how's that for a collaboration?), Brian Eno, Channel Light Vessel, Bill Nelson and Kate St. John. It's this latter person who reminds me of Astley. That quintessentially English thin singing, only she's doing stuff that's supposedly inspired by French songs. And... hm... I'm reading the liner notes and it says she's worked with the Ravishing Beauties, Dream Academy and Van Morrison. The former is an Astley connection, I guess! :) The rest of the album is so-so. A bit too new agey for my tastes. I like ambient stuff a lot, but this is a bit too edge-free and squishy for me. I like edges. :) The disc makes good music to wash dishes and write papers to though. - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Happy experience Sarah Andrews wrote: SA> I'm one of those people who is here even without having heard or SA> owned any of Happy's work, which renders me primarily a lurker. SA> But recently I was in Detroit visiting my parents, and I was SA> listening to the AAA radio station there, the River (93.9) (why SA> do they have to introduce a great new station as soon as I move SA> from the area?), while I was doing some housework. And in the SA> middle of one of the sets I got this really weird Happy "feeling" SA> like, is this song by Happy? And lo and behold, at the end of the SA> set Ann Delisi informed me that it had, in fact, been Happy. That's pretty funny. When I was there about 3-4 weeks ago, I phoned that station and asked if they played any of her. Zak said no, but said she'd mention it to the music dept. Guess she did! Dan - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com ~\\|//~ St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Queries... MB> When I believe that Omaha is the wasteland of touring artists, MB> turns out Juliana Hatfield is coming to town Oct 19. MB> Recommendations? I love Juliana, and I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing her live for the first time in September as well. It will be interesting to see how well she pulls it off, given that her recordings are so heavily produced with lots of Juliana layers doing harmony. Dan - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com ~\\|//~ St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:56:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Virginia Astley On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Neil K. Guy wrote: > Funny that the subject of Virginia Astley should crop up. I was thinking > of her music just the other day... Me too! I just haven't had a chance to answer Marion's post. > At 5:29 PM on 8/28/95, Marion Kippers wrote: > > >Virginia Astley started performing (with the Ravishing > >Beauties) and recording sometime in the early 80's. She > >studied music but soon started to compose her own material, > >performing and experimenting. She plays piano, keyboards and > >synthesizers, flutes and sings. Her voice is high and thin, a > >bit childish, and not very strong, but it does suite her > >music. [...] Thanks Marion for giving some background. I never knew much about her. > I don't know of anyone who's been able to get past her voice, actually. > It's a very childlike vibrato-less girlish voice. But to me that's part of > her style... she sings sweetly - like a child - these horribly dark > lyrics... I've never met anyone who dislikes her voice. Then again, I hang around some pretty weird people. :-) > > [...] People like Philip Glass, Brian Eno and > >Laurie Anderson have also been mentioned in connection with > >Virginia's approach to music (back then in 1983). > > Gawd... I really have no idea who I'd compare her stuff to. I do. I've always wanted to hear a duet between Virginia and Alison Shaw from the Cranes. The world would surely turn pink and black. (Both singers combine a high, little-girlish voice, with sometimes dark and morbid lyrics.) Anyone who loves Alison's voice will have no problems at all with Virginia's voice. > >Virginia's first album was "From Gardens Where We Feel Secure" I have this on LP. > > [...] My > >favourite song is the perfect little popsong "Love's a lonely > >place to be", which was almost a hitsingle in the UK in 1983, > >with fairy-like tinklebells, but don't be fooled by the > >music... Somebody once requested this 'lovesong' to be played > >on the radio for his girlfriend, who then broke up the > >relationship. "You're not my friend and I'm not your friend / > >how can we deceive / ourselves like this"... > > There's a remake of this on her next album, but I sorta preferred the > first version. So do I. (a different way of saying "me too!") > >The only thing I know about her other (more recent) releases > >is that she worked with David Sylvian (or the other way > >around) on "Hope in a darkened heart" (1986?), but that's > >about it. I also don't know if those first two albums have > >ever been released on CD, or in the US - I've still only got > >the European releases, on scratchy vinyl... I have it on LP and CD. It was released in America on Geffen Records. (Geffen 24194) (I'm reluctantly cutting out lots of Neil's interesting commentary...sorry!) > Only one track reflects her earlier > work - "A Summer Long Since Passed," which is lalas > and piano and rural English bellringing sounds. I *love* this song! I played it on my very first "Suspended In Gaffa" radio show. After Kate's "The Sensual World" song was released I loved to play ASLSP then segue into TSW, because they both use the same church bells sample (ASLSP at the end and TSW at the beginning). I think I put this segue on one of the Femme Music tapes. > Lyrically it reflects the childlike qualities of Astley's singing - with a > twist. It reminds me of a young teenager's dark gothic fantasies - > angst-ridden and brooding, withdrawn in painful self-conscious isolation. > It's a strange effect to hear this sweet little-girl voice singing > awkwardly adolescent lines like "Like a corpse deep in the earth I'm so > alone..." and "I've heard all your lies, your boring tall tales. I've > tasted your tongue like a worm from the grave..." Ew! I can only assume > that Ms. Astley wasn't exactly in the highest spirits during the recording > of this album. Even the most cheerful tune on it - "Darkness Has Reached > its End" has a very bathetic turn to it. "Darkness has reached its end... > I'm told." *I'm told*! Like a pin through the bright red balloon... But > there's a certain charming naivete to it as well. My favourite line is > probably "Like a lying government you're no good at all." :) Hey!! Where are you guys getting the lyrics? I can't understand a word Virginia sings. Doesn't matter...I love just listening to Virginia's voice. But I've always wanted to know what the lyrics are. They're not in my CD booklet or LP sleeve. > the strange mix of vocal style, pop sensibilities and > depressing lyrics isn't the most eminently marketable blend. Hah! Anywhere but here. :-) > I really doubt the EP I have was ever on cassette or CD, but "Hope" was > released on all three media, it seems. The album I have has little icons > for cassette, LP and CD with catalogue numbers next to each one. I guess it > didn't sell or something, Geffen had this habit of signing cool female artists, letting them release one great album, and then dropping them. Victoria's "Happy Come Home" was released on Geffen. I'd had a couple more examples but I can't remember them right now. > and I haven't heard of Astley since. The most recent (uh...1989) thing I know about is one song on a soundtrack album. The movie/album is called "Lily Was Here" and Virginia's song (co-written with Dave "Eurythmics" Stewart) is called "Second Chance" and is very wonderful! Lily Was Here Arista ARCD-8670 I don't know if it would be found under soundtracks or David A. Stewart. He wrote or co-wrote all the music. It's worth having for more than just the Virginia track. There's a killer alternate version of the song "Here Comes The Rain Again" sung by Annie Lennox and throughout you'll hear Good Sax by Candy Dulfer. I've never seen the movie but all the music sure is good. Vickie (Warning...political .sig message concerning the net ahead) Ron Newman's page http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html EFF's page http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Legal/Cases/CoS_v_the_Net/ "Mark my words, the Church of $cientology is attempting to stifle all criticism of its actions on the net. It will take any action it can to achieve its aims. 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