From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #189 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 12 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 189 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:32:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Ruby Blue Neile Graham sez: >I also have a theory, based on a couple of her songs, that Rebecca >Pidgeon is from Scotland, which endears her to me even further. from the liner notes to _glances askances_: "in autumn 1986, a home-recorded cassette dropped through the letterbox of red flame records. it was from an edinburgh-based duo: r'n'r, rebecca pidgeon (vocals) and roger fife (guitars, bass and everything else)." i also remember woody dumas from c'est la mort telling me something about ruby blue being of scottish stock. unless rebecca is an north american ex-patriate, it seems like the evidence is pretty conclusive. woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:44:04 -0400 Subject: Re: df, OtR, Neal Copperman sez: >I got an Over the Rhine newsletter in the mail today. meredith and i received a copy too (though they spelled my name wrong). i just looked at it quickly since it's like four pages of (photcopied) handwritten text which is difficult to read. not much to add except that their e-mail address is otrhine@aol.com and the web page (in case no one felt like looking on yahoo) is http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/dasmith/OtR/ (note the case of the abbreviation). woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:51:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Joan Osborne "Karl L. Snyder" sez: >> i do have an ep of hers called "from a blue million miles" which is >> *stunning*. > does anyone have a source to get the ep from? i am absolutely >enamored with _relish_, and would adore to hear more of her stuff... well, the address given in the "from a blue million miles" ep is swimming pool blue records po box 2596 nyc, ny 10009 this is where i sent money for her first album, though, and, as i mentioned, i never received it. however, that address is also in the liner notes of _relish_ so you may want to try writing her anyways. woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:56:14 -0400 Subject: diane thome? anyone ever heard of this woman? >From owner-nm-list@xmission.com Tue Jul 18 15:17:23 1995 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:49:16 -0700 (MST) >From: Jonathan Kandell >Subject: Diane Thome >To: nm-list@xmission.com > >Anyone like Diane Thome? Her new CD on Centaur is quite beautiful, pieces >for instruments and tape. She sort of combines Gorecki, Part, Stravinsky, >Bartok and Adams. >She lightly border on "new age" (ick!), but with lots of solid writing. >She teaches at the u of Washington. ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:14:18 -0400 Subject: Re: your mail On Thu, 10 Aug 1995 Vickie the Ectophile said: > >On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, kerry white wrote: > >> Also: a personal ps to Vickie Mapes: Do you have a 12-13 year >> old tape of assorted Gentle Giant of unknown origin?:-) > > >Kerry? KERRY?? Happy's brother's old roommate Kerry? Gentle Giant!?! That would be me; I'm probably their biggest fan on ecto. I have lots of GG tapes, but sadly they are all of known origin. I recently unsubbed to OnReflection, the very active GG mailing list. I was just getting too much mail to keep up with it all, and ecto is first in my heart. Anyway, hello! Robert the Gentle Giantphile ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:16:26 -0400 Subject: Track 42 explained! Kevin writes: On Thu, 10 Aug 1995 AURALG@aol.com said: >Hi bob >It's actually track 4 index #2. It was the only way we could fullfill Torn's >wishes for a track 42. Otherwise we would have had to have tracks 12 thru 41 >as actual blank tracks. The cut actually seques between two of HR's tracks. >It starts with digital noise. Boy I tell ya....these musicians. Hope all is >well. "The Keep" Happy's new compilation is going great. We found some >awesome stuff. Amb vol II progressing as well. >Talk to you soon. >KB > And there you have it! Robert the Ectophile ------------------------------ From: Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 23:04 PDT Subject: EWS Strikes Again! VANCOUVER, CANADA - Damon Harper of Mission, a city in the Vancouver area, had nearly recovered from his graze with bankruptcy last week, when the dread disease that causes him to spend so much money struck again. Last Wednesday, Damon became infected with EWS (Empty or Ectophilic Wallet Syndrome), a disease peculiar to the Ectophiles and related groups, an ethnic minority to which he belongs. That day, Damon went on a rampage in nearby Abbotsford; a spending spree of gargantuan proportions which left a local used compact disc seller severely underectostocked. Damon purchased nine CDs in all that day, six from the used CD store. Yesterday, Damon had nearly recovered. He was taking a sabbatical in Vancouver when the deadly disease struck again, this time in Vancouver's downtown area. Damon purchased another astounding nine CDs, bringing his total to eighteen CDs within the span of eight days. He is now recovering back home in Mission, taking the standard cure for EWS: time, and lots of listening to music. EWS is one of the small but rapidly growing family of diseases known as ITDs, or Internet Transmitted Diseases. ITDs are the only known diseases whose vector, or means of infection, is electronic, and include such disastrous complexes as IRCD (Internet Relay Chat Dependency) and the more recent and intense ValenAddiction. EWS is particularily deadly to Ectophiles and other related minorities. According to Dr. Godfrid Bush, an expert in Internet- and music-related disorders, "The Ectophilic immune system is incapable of countering EWS. "As normal when a disease is encountered in the body, mass amounts of antibodies are produced by the cells, and eventually conquer the disease. "Normally these antibodies prevent further infection by the disease, as they remain in the blood in great numbers. However, Ectophilic antibodies associated with diseases such as EWS are essentially fruitless. "In short, these antibodies simply lack the willpower to fend off further attacks of EWS." There is disturbing evidence that EWS may have found a new, physical vector. Though normally electronically transmitted, it is thought that the disease may be adapting to the physical world, as Damon had spent Tuesday meeting some friends of Ectophilic and related origins, and, as he told reporters later, "having quite a wonderful time." This evidence is backed by the empirical observation that while the vast majority of the albums Damon bought last Wednesday were older releases, all but one of the albums bought this week were 1995 releases. "This is a disturbing development," opines Dr. Bush, "and may indicate an adapted, and perhaps even more virulent, strain of the disease." Whatever the possible implications, Damon and his gasping wallet are now undergoing the time treatment. "I hope I don't succumb again," says Damon, weak and pallid on the bed in his basement room. "I can't afford a recurrence. And yet, somehow..." We asked Damon to supply us with a list of the albums bought, and his impressions upon hearing a few tracks of each (all he has time for). He kindly agreed, and the list he prepared for us follows. * Bjo:rk's "Post". I'd heard "Isobel" on the radio, and some of the rest of the album at Neil[ K. Guy]'s, and I fell in love. I have yet to obtain her debut album, however, though that is on my list in case EWS should infect me again. * Deep Forest's "Boheme". This seems quite an amazing album, definitely worth listening to, especially if you liked their first, although it does differ from this astoundingly. Lovely and interesting vocals. * Ani DiFranco's "Not a Pretty Girl". I'm not entirely sure what I think yet, but so far my impression has been pretty positive. Really haven't listened to this one enough yet. * Natalie Merchant's "Tigerlily". Despite mediocre reviews, on first listen this album sounds quite engaging and quite classically Natalie. Although the drum track on the first song has got to be one of the most cliched in music today... * Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill". I must rave about this one. I'd heard mixed reviews of the album, but in the state I was in at the time (ahem), it was not hard to conjure up a whim and purchase this album. It is absolutely excellent! Alanis Morissette's vocals and style seem quite insightful, and perhaps not just a little psychotic. An immediate hit. * Sam Philips' "Martinis and Bikinis". I already had this on tape, thanks to Alex [another Ectophile known to Damon], and after a few listens determined that I must have it on CD. I had not been able to find it for a reasonable price until now. A definite must-have. * Jill Sobule's new album. Another one I have not had much opportunity to properly assimilate and evaluate, but if it's anything like "Things Here Are Different", which I purchased last week, it has my vote of confidence. "I Kissed a Girl" is quite a catching song. Jill Sobule certainly wins the Really Nifty Booklet (TM) award among the albums I bought this Wednesday. * Suddenly, Tammy!'s "(We Get There When We Do.)". This sounds quite good so far, particularily with the nifty piano music. This one was specifically recommended to me on Tuesday by a good friend. Definitely on the pop side of ecto fodder. * Dar Williams' "The Honesty Room". A gem! Dar's gentle style and lovely voice combine to create a wonderful, light, fun album with quite a powerful undercurrent. "When I Was A Boy" is definitely an immediate favourite! :) damon the EWS sufferer. _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, nomad@acca.nmsu.edu \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." Vancouver, BC, CANADA |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://rever.nmsu.edu/~nomad/paukarut.htm "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: Michael Bravo Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:57:31 +0400 Subject: Re: Dune 10 Aug 95, zzkwhite@ktwu.wuacc.edu writes to Michael Bravo: zwe> Hello, Dune the movie tried for detail and lost the soul of the book. On zwe> the other hand Blade Runner used very little of the plot of Do Androids zwe> Dream of Electric Sheep? but captured the very essence of it. Second that. I would go as far as saying that I felt something like disgust when watching Dune - it was so .... I don't know, 2D, trivial, distasteful. I admit that I have read all the books before, and enjoyed them immensely, just as I have enjoyed Tolkien works and find numerous literary 'imitations' and 'perversis' of them just not worth reading. And what for Bladerunner, I'm a huge fan of this movie. For my point of view, it is unique in American scifi movies, and is in some sense similar to _Stalker_ by Andrey Tarkovsky - it has vaguely the same feeling in it, and in the same way only slightly uses material from the book it is based on. Also, when I read _uromancer_ first time, I instantly felt that I have experienced that atmosphere before - the Chiba blues - and it was when watching Bladerunner. I wonder how much Bladerunner, The Director's Cut differs from the widely available version. /\/\ike PGP public key 67C4EA8EEBF67C51 fingerprint 2C8B78790C8ADCDC - --- GoldED 2.41 ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 04:19:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Dune At 1:57 PM on 8/11/95, Michael Bravo wrote: >Second that. I would go as far as saying that I felt something like disgust >when watching Dune - it was so .... I don't know, 2D, trivial, >distasteful. [...] Hm. Well, I don't know. (I post this against my better judgement...) David Lynch has real problems with narrative and expends a lot of energy on visual aesthetics and moods, which ended up being a problem with Dune as it required strong narrative control. But as other people have noted, incompetent editing really killed the film. I feel that Lynch's style lent some interesting moments to an extremely uneven film. The main thing that bores me with all incarnations of Dune is its tiresome ideology - all the male-oriented totalitarian politics that permeate the work. And one thing I thought was really cool about the film was how Lynch's direction of Kyle McLachlan as Paul Atreides was not as a great noble hero (as some people seem to read him) but as a rather slimy self-righteous character. I liked that. :) An interesting aspect to a film with fabulous costumes and sets, weak special effects and incoherent editing. > [...] I wonder how much Bladerunner, The Director's Cut differs from the >widely available version. There's a Bladerunner FAQ that details, in loving frame-by-frame detail, the differences, which aren't all that major. The main difference is that Harrison Ford's dry and flat voiceover at the beginning and end of the film ("Gee it's real tough being a detective in the future...") have been mercifully deleted. The other difference involves adding a few extremely short scenes that affect the interpretation of Ford's character. (I won't go into any more detail as it involves spoilers, but mail me if you like. :) - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@direct.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:06:05 -0500 Subject: Re: EWS Strikes Again! On 10 Aug 95 at 23:04, Damon Harper sprecht: This was too funny. And too true!! This should be THE disclaimer at the beginning of the Ectophile's Guide to Music ("Warning: The following list has been known to cause EWS")... Currently listening to _(we get there when we do)_, and enjoying every second of it, Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "Not in the face, NOT IN THE FACE" - Arthur, The Tick's sidekick, and his battle cry - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: JC214@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: jerry garcia sighted at 7-11! i'm so sad that jerry garcia is dead. we have lost one of our most inspirational improvisational musicians. the music he played may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but his courage to play directly from his heart and fly in the face of structure and rules was both brave and admirable. having been fortunate enough to have seen him play dozens of times with the dead and/or solo, i can safely vouch that his playing could be either infuriatingly sloppy and unispired or unbelievably note-perfect and maddeningly brilliant. most incredible moment: hartford ct in july 1974 - scarlet begonias/bird song/unbroken chain - all held together by circles and spirals of guitar notes then dissolving into cascades of sparks pouring from the man's fingers. of the hundreds of concerts i've been to, those 25 minutes still remain fresh in my mind as a testament to the man's musical genius. i am not now or ever have been a deadhead, though i will admit to following them all over the east coast in 1974-75 hoping to catch more trascendent moments like the one in hartford. regardless of his lifestyle, regardless of his fans' behaviour, we have lost an important musician. it's the end of an era. chuck by the way: i have track 11 on my copy of AG vol.1- it plays with no problem! ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 9:49:19 EDT Subject: Jerry and such Someone wrote: And some of us who straddle the rather fuzzy divide between Generation X and th baby boom (I'm 32), feel that *both* deaths are tragic and regrettable, and I suspect this sentiment is echoed outside our little generational cohort. In any case, I try and respect the grief of others...particularly since some of them are dear friends of mine. - -- I agree and wish to add: Having been a deadhead early 80's and having married one (who refused to see them after 80), people used to always say that the current tour was the last one. I stopped going to shows when the crowds changed. What that means I'm not sure... Anyway, I have good friends whose lives are going to be changed--one friend makes her living selling shirts and clothes at shows (a big part of it anyway.) I don't feel as bad as I did when Lennon was shot but I do feel very bad for those whose lives were focused on the shows. And, I will add, they all aren't the dregs of society and horrid nasty body abusing drug users. We should be careful. . . I tend to think that sugar is a nasty drug (I've got blood sugar problems but. . .) and only indulge in dessert in social situations--never alone. Enough of this. brad There is nothing in life except what one thinks of it. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:27:54 -0700 Subject: Re: EWS Strikes Again! BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH! ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:22:40 -0500 Subject: Great PDQ bio line... Section I., page 6: "By 1755, he [PDQ] was in Dudeldorf, apprenticed to a man named Ludwig Zahnstocher, who had discovered the trick of playing melodies on the saw, using a violin bow. The 'musical saw', as it is now called (footnote), was a tremendous success;..." "(footnote) Zahnstocher, who could play in one key only, called it the 'C-saw'." If you read this biography, you have to read every word - and sometimes try and translate the German. There are joys in every page. Some are just easier to see than others... Still laughing, Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "SPOON!" - The Tick's battle cry - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 15:32:40 -0700 Subject: Happy's longer songs Hi all, I was just looking through the ecto encyclopedia web pages, and noticed that some of the songs on the cds I know and love are abridged! So, the question is, in what sense were they shortened, has anyone heard the longer versions, what do they think of them, and are they still available... (I know, that's more than one question... oh well). I have all the in print CDs except ecto now, since I just bought Rhodesongs. Well worth it, even though many I have other versions of... Just a short question from me ... I'll be posting more later, so beware. - -Richard. (listening to Paula Cole now... next up, Heather Nova!) ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 22:17:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Ruby Blue (+ C-Cat Trance?) Neile Graham said: > >>I also have a theory, based on a couple of her songs, that Rebecca >>Pidgeon is from Scotland, which endears her to me even further. and woj replied: > >from the liner notes to _glances askances_: > >"in autumn 1986, a home-recorded cassette dropped through the letterbox >of red flame records. it was from an edinburgh-based duo: r'n'r, >rebecca pidgeon (vocals) and roger fife (guitars, bass and everything >else)." > >i also remember woody dumas from c'est la mort telling me something >about ruby blue being of scottish stock. Quite. From the liner notes of _Doctor Death's Volume 5: Heart's Lust in Limbo_: "Ruby Blue... Origin: Edinburgh, Scotland." Their track on that compilation, "So Unlike Me," is one of my favorites on the disc. Of course that disc also gave the world M7x's "Miranda." :) One of my other favorite tracks on the album was by a band called C-Cat Trance. A friend made me a tape of their album _Play Masenko Combo_ which is *fabulous* dancey Mid-Eastern stuff (the perfect mood disc for Fez). Anyone know anything more about these guys or where I might find a CD of _Play Masenko Combo_? Also, did you know that Woodrow Dumas holds a license from the state of Louisiana for the name "Doctor Death?" (That's probably why Jack Kervorkian tends not to operate down there...) - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com ========================================================================== "You can make a conspiracy out of anything, if you work hard enough at it." - - Michael J. Arbouet ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 23:49:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Happy's longer songs >I was just looking through the ecto encyclopedia web pages, and noticed >that some of the songs on the cds I know and love are abridged! So, the >question is, in what sense were they shortened, has anyone heard the longer >versions, what do they think of them, and are they still available... (I >know, that's more than one question... oh well). Um, don't you mean "the questions are"? Let's see: edited, yes, great, no. The only song I can think of offhand that was dramatically shortened is "The Chase" from _Volume II_, which was basically cut in half. Lots of repetitious (but incredible) "the chase is on" type verses were stripped out. The original song is incredibly powerful. Any songs that enjoyed a previous, longer incarnation are from what are, 'round here, referred to as the 1st4. Happy's first four albums were originally released only on tape (hand assembled by Happy and Kevin). April 1 1991 saw the co-release of Warpaint on tape and CD, and since then the releases have been matching. But a year+ later, when we'd finally convinced AG to re-release the 1st4 on CD, the releases showed a number of changes (not the least of which was the inclusion of lyrics, but which also included revised cover art, bonus tracks, and some editing of songs). The tapes of the 1st4 have been unavailable for several years now. Jeff ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 21:37 PDT Subject: musings on jagged little pill note: possible spoilers regarding a song on the album in the following paragraph! you know, this album (alanis morissette's) is, with a few exceptions, tremendously angry and/or accusing. some might call it realism, but that all depends on your perspective. not that i necessarily disagree, but really, listening to it is kind of depressing. not that that's a bad thing. but when i heard the "hidden track" at the end, i could quite easily predict how the song would end. even though it *was*, up 'til that point, quite a positive sounding song. she almost had me fooled, lulled into a false sense of security; i thought for half a second that the note would be *from* the man, i.e. he knew she was there and was leaving some loving note for her, but my original presupposition was right :P this sort of bugs me, and i'm not sure what i think of it. i would have liked the song to end positively, for a change, and was disappointed when it didn't and my first reaction was confirmed, but, on the other hand, if it *had* ended positively, it really wouldn't have rung true, what with the rest of the album. and i did admire the way she managed to convince me, for however short a moment. actually i very much like the lyrics overall, but the pessimism can get a bit oppressive after a while. that said, i think this is one of the better albums i have heard in a long time. alanis morissette's wonderfully psychotic, jarring voice combines with the also wonderfully psychotic and nerve-jangling instrumentation to produce.. well, a wonderfully psychotic whole. that's my word for this album :) and although her lyrics are generally pretty pessimistic, they are presented with such forceful wit and exactitude that you can't help buying it (not to say that i'm not a pessimistic person [i seem to be making a lot of disclaimers here, don't i?]). most of this album gets right into my brain and quite frankly mucks it up a bit, leaving me feeling pretty twisted. imo, it's pure, jagged genius. in a word: whoa. oh, wait a minute... make that "in a word: psychotic!" what is alanis morissette's history? i heard from a friend that she was apparently some kind of teen pop singer type thingy until this album. this may have already been discussed here, but if so i missed it, so bear with me... also, when during the year was jagged little pill released? i've noticed some discussion of it here for a while, but only ever really noted down the name for future reference, and don't remember when it started. i am *so* glad i bought this album! damon the rambler (my teacher in grade eleven english had us do "reader response" style commentary on some novels once, and called the results of my submissions [affectionately, i hope ;) ] "the harper RR ramble" or something similar... just so you know that i've always been like this :) _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, nomad@acca.nmsu.edu \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." Vancouver, BC, CANADA |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://rever.nmsu.edu/~nomad/paukarut.htm "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #189 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu