From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #185 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 9 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 185 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 00:36:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Hey Bday! HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAPPY!! Vickie ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 01:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kirsty MacColl revisited New guy Adam from Montreal mentioned Kirsty MacColl the other day, and it inspired me to dig out the Titanic Days CD I picked up a year or two ago. I remember liking one song in particular, which is what prompted me to even get the disc, but I don't even think I gave the CD an entire listen through when I got it (I'm bad for that sometimes, especially if I get several discs at once and get hooked on one in particular.) Anyway, I remembered the track I liked is called Can't Stop Killing You, and I found a couple others on there that seemed decent musically (her lyrics could use some work). Overall though, it sounds like it was produced by a radio consultant, with thickly overdubbed vocals and generally too much production. I'd like to hear her in a more raw form, without all the studio tricks. Since you're such a big fan though Adam, check out Sophie B. Hawkins if you haven't already...I find her very similar in style and production. Just stay away from Sophie's live shows...I saw her perform on MuchMusic, and she was brutal. Now time to give Alanis another try. I've had it for at least a month, and You Ought To Know has really grown on me. 3rd time lucky? Dan - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 03:30:01 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Happy Rhodes (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Mary Lou Rowe Sat September 03 1960 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:46:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Dune On 8 Aug 95 at 19:39, Joseph Zitt sprecht: > Well, not all -- I preferred the movie to the book. The book struck > me as a hodgepodge -- not to mention that anyone who knew a little > Hebrew would have no problem knowing what the ostensibly mysterious > term "kwisatz haderach" meant... other than wondering why the term > was in Hebrew to start with. On the other hand, I may have been the > wrong age for it, as I thought the name Urilan was grossly funny at > the time (about 10 years old). With all this talk about liking/not liking the movie because of reading/not reading the book got me thinking. I guess the reason why I liked it is because I had read the book (for the second time, before the movie came out), so my "mind" was able to fill in the "holes" (as well as discern which was Herbert, and which was Hollywood). And I did enjoy Kyle (is that right? I can't rememeber his last name.) as Paul. > OTOH, I recall that my favorite of the series was "God Emperor of > Dune"/ But then, I haven't gotten around to reading "Heretics of > Dune," "Chapterhouse: Dune", "Beach Blanket Dune", "Gidget Goes > Dune", or "Dune Meets Godzilla", though I have read Harvard (?) > Lampoon's hilarious "Doon". Wow. I didn't know this was out. I have Lampoon's spin on _Lord of the Rings_ (which I won't read until I read _Lord of the Rings_ (am I the only one alive that hasn't read it yet?)), and I would be interested in getting this. A few years ago, I was at a comic book shop, perusing their back issues, when I came upon the "comic adaptation of Dune", and at $1.00 an issue (a three issue series) snatched them up without thinking. Well, if you think the movie was bad, DON'T read the comics. YUCK!! On an ecto note: HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAPPY!!! Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "Not in the face, NOT IN THE FACE" - Arthur, The Tick's sidekick, and his battle cry - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 08:41:11 -0500 Subject: Dune: the movie I can accept a piece of artistic license like the weirding modules, it's just that in a movie with so many other artistic licenses, plus bad dialogue, goofy effects, and a host of other problems, the weirding modules become just one more thing to bitch about. Actually, it's no stretch for me to fit such devices into the books (no such devices ever appeared in the books): the God Emperor was known for illegal use of Ixian technology anyway, I'd have to say those weirding modules were distinctly Ix in design, and the whole premise behind those modules is noit that they're voice activated, but thought- activated. ("muad'dibmuaddibmuaddibBOOM!") A workable premise, had it been handled and explained adequately; unfortunately, the movie was already far too short to explain what it needed to explain, not to mention leaving major things out (like Count Fenring), etc. It's been discussed elsewhere on the Net that Dune might have worked not as a movie but as a miniseries. And IMHO, the movie captured the look of Arrakis so well (and I'm one of the few who actually thought the sandworm effects were cool) that any miniseries they attempt now would look like a ripoff of the movie. Next thing you know, we'll be arguing over what, precisely, the Golden Path was supposed to steer humanity away from... IMHO, Lynch is not a bad director, but he's friggin' weird. He's in his element with something like Twin Peaks, where he can let his weirdness run free. But for him to try and do a "serious" work like Dune, he had to struggle so hard to keep his weirdness under control, and failed in places (the weirding modules, the goofy dialogue, virtually any scene with the Harkonnens). That, coupled with the problems of fitting a Dune that could easily fit into ten hours into merely 3... Dune was doomed from the start, one doesn't need the spice to see that. "And how many of us will there be?" -Jane Siberry "How many of me have there been?" -Duncan Idaho (oops, spoilers!) Ramble: my dad once had a cat named Duncan Idaho. Not for the obvious reasons (nine lives), but simply because it was gray, and Duncan seemed to always wear a gray uniform. Now I'm gonna be in a Dune mood all day. :-) ("Let me repeat your order, you want a double Quarter Pounder with cheese, large fries, diet Coke, and a stick of cinnamon?") | http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | |John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu I wanna go to a real school someday! | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! |in the making. Finger me &| |"Enrich the soil, no soul no soul" Sarah McLachlan| tell me that you love me.| ------------------------------ From: Paula Shanks Date: 09 Aug 1995 09:51:20 -0400 Subject: Dar Williams Not to toss cold water on David Dalton's friend Ariane, but I was disappointed with Dar Williams' "The Honesty Room." Her songs are decently written--clever and smart, smile-provoking--but I found her voice way too clipped in that fresh-girl-folksinger mode that suggests "I'm trying my hardest to lose my Irish accent but I just haven't shaken it yet, despite being born and raised in Connecticut." In the end I couldn't listen to it and passed off my copy to my bro-in-law, who is more forgiving of folkies' foibles than I. Dar is quite the darling of the folk music set, and lots of people report her concerts to be wonderful, so clearly milage varies. I think she'll probably improve with experience. - --Paula "Play That Funky Music, White Girl" Shanks looking forward to the new Charles & Eddie release ------------------------------ From: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net (Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:31:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Dune Good morning everyone, (After a huge mug of coffee I finally feel up to joining in on this discussion :) ) >reading/not reading the book got me thinking. I guess the reason why >I liked it is because I had read the book (for the second time, >before the movie came out), so my "mind" was able to fill in the >"holes" (as well as discern which was Herbert, and which was >Hollywood). And I did enjoy Kyle (is that right? I can't rememeber >his last name.) as Paul. I've never read the book -- I did try to start it years ago, but it was just so...so... *EPIC* that I couldn't get into it. I don't know, I guess I just get bored by centuries of information. Anyway, my mom (who has read every single book) was visiting this winter and Dune was on the sci/fi cable channel, and we all (me, my mom, and Todd) watched it from start to finish. Had a wonderful time because my mom could identify all the characters and gave us all of the necessary background -- so we had a sort of running background conversation during the whole movie: "Who the hell is THAT guy? We haven't heard anything about him." "Oh, that's so-and-so, he was the leader of the blah-blah-blah movement. Yuck, what a stupid outfit they have him wearing." I did enjoy the movie, though (which was rather surprising -- the last David Lynch effort I'd attempted to watch was Blue Velvet, which had Todd and I literally nauseated twenty minutes in and we turned it off at that point) and have considered trying to read the book(s) again. - -Sage, who thinks she got a headache yesterday from listening to Alanis Morissette too loud ___________________________________ Sage A. Lunsford, Todd M. O'Reilly, eight feline cohorts and a Web page http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/mppm.html sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net ------------------------------ From: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net (Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:37:58 -0400 Subject: Dune: A Silly Cosmic This is a silly thing that really happened one day when Todd and I were in the kitchen, hope it gives you a giggle: Sage and Todd are in the kitchen and Todd is making coffee. "Ack," says Sage, "I think my nose is bleeding." "Concerned noises!" says Todd, "And furthermore, worried looks!" "That's all very nice," Sage retorts, "but I notice that you haven't stopped making coffee." "The Spice must flow," Todd says solemnly. - -Sage ___________________________________ Sage A. Lunsford, Todd M. O'Reilly, eight feline cohorts and a Web page http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/mppm.html sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 10:46:41 -0500 Subject: Shannon Worrell? A friend of mine wanted me to ask around about this... If anyone's heard of this woman and her music, please email me. Thanks! :-) here's what he said... >Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you ask if anyone >knows where I can pick up a CD from Shannon Worrell? She's a folk singer >from Charlottesville, VA. I've had it recommended to me on good >authority, but my source warned that it would be impossible for me to get >where I live... (I'm *way* behind on email to ecto and elsewhere... this request dates back a ways, lemme tell you. Sigh...) Best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/index.html IMHO Productions: Internet Consulting, Training, & Web Design ------------------------------ From: Ingrid Karklins Date: Wed, 9 Aug 95 11:04:02 CDT Subject: Osier Meredith: > P.S. "Osier"? Erm... what's that? :} Ingrid: A willow-bush! ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 12:36:42 -0400 Subject: Heather Nova It never fails. It just never fails. Heard a cool ecto-ish song on the radio this morning on my way to the lab. Came in near the end, but I rather liked what I heard, and was hoping the DJ would back-announce. Sure enough, he did...saying it was a new song by Heather Nova. He went on to say that not only was it a *new* song, but was in fact the first time it had been played on the station and commented about it being quite good. He then noted that he knew absolutely nothing about her. Which is all to say that yes, once again, ecto proves itself to be outrageously avant garde when it comes to putting out the word on "new" folks. ;-) Jeff (wondering if this is another artist he should have added to his list of stuff to get ages ago...) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: Jason and the tiny curly girl Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] Okay, not opening a debate here. :) mail list for alanis morissette: send sub message to alanis@webcom.com message: subscribe j - -------- If your poor fragile ego can't handle anything in this message please, add a :) to the offending sentence if that helps your self-esteem. - -------- for subscription info to the following lists: elastica, lisa germano, paula cole, gustav mahler, roxy music big-east, university of miami, and beginning attorneys: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/jnjlist.html - -------- mahler web page: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/mahler echo and the bunnyment web page: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/echo.html Jason & Jill Greshes-Philadelphia,PA-jgreshes@netaxs.com-jgreshes@dfw.net http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:01:53 -0700 Subject: Re:The Story on Blue Thumb sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net (Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly) writes: >The following information comes from an advance cassette copy of Plumb. >It was recently posted to the folk-music mailing list (I don't have a >copy myself). The song order may differ on the final release. > >Artist: Jonatha Brooke & The Story >Title: Plumb (#BTC-7003) >Street Date: August 29, 1995 >Blue Thumb Records (Distributed by GRP/MCA) Blue Thumb is back? I used to work at Blue Thumb back when Ike and Tina, Dave Mason, Love, Tyrannosaurous Rex (later T.Rex) and a number of great blues artists were on it. Last I heard it was sold and gone, catalog distributed by someone else. It was originally run by Bob Krasnow (creative/CEO) and Don Graham (sales). I left because I couldn't stand Don Graham, and had to work under him. Classic record co. hype artist. Bob was cool. I ran the mail room and one of my duties was to clean his dope for him. Got me through the Great Dope Famine of '69 with stuff that cost $50/oz when everything else was $20 or less. I used to do a company 'zine made up of reprints of other people's mags. Sort of an early 4-page utne reader and 100% copyright violation. I am still amazed at some of the shit that we pulled off back then. Blue Thumb put out a lot of good records, too. /^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | "Give them a light and they'll | | mklprc@teleport.com | follow it anywhere!" | | http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ | -- Firesign Theater | - ------------------------------>((^o0o^))<--------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Heather Nova jeffy sez, re: Heather Nova: > (wondering if this is another artist he should have added to his list of > stuff to get ages ago...) Yes!!! And really soon now _Oyster_ will be available in the U.S. _Live at the Milky Way_ was available all over a few weeks ago. Definitely worth checking out. She's along the Tori Amos lines, for lack of a more definitive description. Maybe someone should do an ecto music family tree. Just imagine! - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:13:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Dune: the movie I'm not really qualified to talk about Dune because I never read any of the books. I do remember liking the movie and not having any problems following it even if there were a lot of holes. On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI) wrote: > IMHO, Lynch is not a bad director, but he's friggin' weird. He's > in his element with something like Twin Peaks, where he can let > his weirdness run free. I think the original pilot for Twin Peaks (as opposed to the "European version") is one of the best things he's ever done. I don't think that he really let his true weirdness run free though until he could make the theatrical _Fire Walk With Me_. (which makes a perfect prequel to the pilot...and no, I don't like it anywhere near as much as the pilot or _Blue Velvet_) > But for him to try and do a "serious" > work like Dune, he had to struggle so hard to keep his weirdness > under control, ... Still...people forget that his *most* serious film was the excellent and moving _Elephant Man_ and he had no trouble keeping his weirdness under control for that film. It's one of my favorite movies (by anybody) so I like to remind folks that it's a David Lynch film. (Mushy story:) _The Elephant Man_ was the first film that Chris and I saw together after we met. We'd both seen it before in the theaters. We plopped on the floor with a bunch of pillows and watched it on cable at his place. When we both cried without embarrassment at many points throughout the film, handing a tissue box back and forth, we took it as a sign that we were on the same emotional wavelength. It was an important "rite of passage" for our relationship. Considering that Chris and I have been together since 1982...it was a good sign. :-) I loved the movie before I saw it with Chris, but ever since then it's had an even more special place in my heart. (end mushy story) Vickie (Mapes...no relation to any Dune character) ------------------------------ From: "Karl L. Snyder" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Joan Osborne > more or less ditto for me. _relish_ is actually her second album. i > never got the first (despite sending her money for it, grrrrr), but i > do have an ep of hers called "from a blue million miles" which is > *stunning*. i was really looking forward to _relish_, but the first > few listens was kinda disappointing (despite loving the opening riff > on the first tune). now, i like it a lot more, though it still seems > like her earlier edges have been rubbed smooth. > > woj does anyone have a source to get the ep from? i am absolutely enamored with _relish_, and would adore to hear more of her stuff... thanks, - karl ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 09 Aug 95 14:31:08 EDT Subject: re: dar williams I have admired Dar since I got her CD a couple of years ago. I've seen her twice, once opening for Ani Difranco and once opening for the Otters. Unfortunately, she only played a few songs each time. She has done at least 2 or 3 house concerts in Evanston but I've managed to miss all of them for one or another reason. Nonetheless, having seen her twice, I have to say that I **love** the CD (I actually tried asking her to explain some of the lyrics that I thought were rather obtuse and she ended up being just as obtuse when I talked to her) but thought her live performance was fragile and a little unsure (quite a contrast to Ani!). Anyways, since there seems to be interest, I will repost my Beloit review, which I am quite fond of. I don't remember if I ever posted it to ecto or just to f_m. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 95 14:41:07 EDT Subject: lynch, david--weirdo with milkshake Just a minor correction--_Wild at Heart_ is a recent Lynch film--post Peaks. I think the order is: _Eraserhead_, _Elephant Man_, _Dune_, _Blue Velvet_, TV Peaks, _Wild at Heart_, the really awful sitcom that didn't last more than three episodes, the series of nonfiction pieces for TV, _Fire Walk with Me_ and that is it, I think. Or did _Blue Velvet_ come before _Dune_? Hmmm, it shouldn't have stylistically but . . . . I'm argueing with myself so I should go now. brad - -- There is nothing in life except what one thinks of it. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 09 Aug 95 14:38:14 EDT Subject: Fwd: adventures in cheeseland -- Dar Williams review This is an old post to some group (maybe this one); enjoy... - -mjm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=repost=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Just a whole bunch of cool stuff going on in and around chicago these days. After missing 2 Dar Williams shows last weekend, one a house concert just blocks from my abode (I knew about it but just couldn't make it -- such is life -- 't makes the ones I do get to that much more special ;-]), I discovered, via the good folk on folk_music, that Dar'd be openin' for one Ani DeFranco in Beloit, WI at Beloit college. Well, whoopdy do! Why? Because I knew *zero* about Ani except that a number of well-respected people (not including whatever's been mentioned about her here which I do not recall at all) have been hoopin' and a'hollerin' 'bout Ani for a good while now. So, after getting directions from a way cool dude named Ian Shaw at Beloit College, I headed off after work on Wed. for the WI/IL state line. Now for those of you who are not in the know (and knowing ecto, that won't be many :}{) Beloit is just *barely* over the border just past Rockford, IL, off of I-90. I read in my AAA guide that 150 years ago or so an *entire* town in New Hampshire uprooted itself and moved, lock stock and bagel, to Beloit, Wisconsin. The first thing they did was found the college (it was founded by Yale alums). So, unbeknownst to me, I had stumbled into a location-warp time-suckage tunnel-thingy and I was actually in a well-hidden secret corner of New England! Cool, cool. Thanks to Ian's ace directions, I landed right next to Pearsons hall where the concert was. As I entered I was struck by the numbness of the student body, for the concert-chamber had not yet been opened for admittance and students were ambling in the hall beneath. They all looked stoned or worse; completely separate from reality, thus augmenting my already surrealistic other-worldly quease, having come straight from work. They wore odd, bland, unconsidered clothing, moved in a quasi-haze, spoke only sparingly -- I had fun watching them hover. Or is this what a small liberal arts college is like? I wouldn't know having never attended or visited one. (What? No Big Ten football team? Less that 40 fraternities? P-shaw!) After what seemed like about 20 minutes (and it was) the portals sprung open and the throng came alive with polite vigor. A young (well, they were all really young, what can I say) red-head from Iowa sat down next to me in my primo seato spoto, and I asked about the college. She seemed pretty with it for an Iowan. (Ouch. That smarted.) Well, she pointed out Ian Shaw (who I'd never met) and told me this was a big crowd for cafe series. The next day, apparently, was "appreciate the spring day" or something like that, and classes were not in operation. Party time. Anyways, not much later, Dar came on. She seemed really delicate, barely able to support the weight of the guitar, and though good, her entire performance had a precipitous feel to it, like she was about to be overcome by a stand-offish guitar string and succomb without much of a fight. She said she's been having so much fun that she'd been forgetting to get nervous, but I noticed her fingers trembling as she made the chords and wilcoxed the tunings. She played very lightly but the singing was quite consistent (aside from some mic waiver). She neglected to play my two favorite songs, The Great Unknown, and This is Not the House that Pain Built, but she did explain and play a number of others. I didn't quite understand the songs, and her explanations, while vivid, didn't quite help either. Nonetheless I was still at least marginally enlightened. And the crowd seemed to like it, which is important. I spoke to her later about the two songs she didn't play and she spelled them out as best she could. I told her she spoke the same way she wrote: I *almost* understood the song lyrics and I likewise only almost understood her elaborations. I didn't want to be too much of a nuisance so I didn't push it. As for Ani... I was blown a-way. She was nothing like I thought she would be and the contrast with Dar was almost laughable. Ani *attacks* her guitar, lets it all hang loose, is *so* at ease, says all kinds of funny non-sequitors and half-sentences, and she had a drummer. That's right, a folk drummer. Canadian, to boot. I love it. Anyways, I'd never heard any Ani (ani Any?) before and it was like no music (folk or otherwise) I'd heard previously (no small feat for one with 2 walls full of music) and I liked it alot. This is unquestionably ecto-fare... it really is more rocky that anything else. And the attack style *did* remind me a bit of Joan Osborne's CD5 (blue million miles) which is also very unique. Ani has lots of CDs and I *know* one day I will own them all, but I have none yet. I don't want to know which one's better or anything like that, though, I'd like to see for myself. Let the mystery be. It's more fun that way. But I would certainly recommend all you folks to get out there and see Ani if you get the chance. So that was my adventure in cheeseland. [rest deleted] ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #185 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu