From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #181 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 5 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 181 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:53:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Joan Osborne Jeffrey Hanson sez: >When I first got Joan Osborne's album, Relish, and listened to it straight >through, I didn't much care for it. But after listening to it a few >times, randomized with 5 other discs on my CD changer, I really grew to >like it. more or less ditto for me. _relish_ is actually her second album. i never got the first (despite sending her money for it, grrrrr), but i do have an ep of hers called "from a blue million miles" which is *stunning*. i was really looking forward to _relish_, but the first few listens was kinda disappointing (despite loving the opening riff on the first tune). now, i like it a lot more, though it still seems like her earlier edges have been rubbed smooth. woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:57:17 -0400 Subject: the modern couple Meredith sez: >>for instance, back in college, i played the gravedigger in >>hamlet and sang that song of hi to the tune of "my lagan love" and >>*i* sounded irish. that's a tough order! ;) >Once again, woj and meth communicate for the first time via e-mail. I'll wring >the details of this one out of you later! for the record, i *did* tell meredith about this a long time ago, but she uncharacteristically *forgot*! (whether she admits it or not.) :P ;) +w ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:15:27 -0400 Subject: Re: weekend o'lead lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) sez: >I'm just posting this response to ecto... I may make a different response to >leadheads. Just to confuse things. Well, primarily to confuse woj and any >folks on both lists! :-) can't confuse me - i'm the gingerbread man! (whoops, there i go mixing motifs again....) >At 06:52 PM 8/2/95 -0400, geek the boy wrote: >Ahhh yes, I think I'm gonna wander back over to GEnie. i ditched genie a while ago for lack of time and, to a degree, interest. i was completely unconnected with science fiction fandom before meeting meredith. since then, i've done a few cons (and would like to catch some of the minnesota ones next year), but i really don't have any interest in fandom still. genie is basically only useful for the science fiction connections, so it was punted. >>this was the first time i've seen BiL, so it was a pure joy to finally >>hear them live. (honestly, i would have liked to have seen them at >>least once with todd, but "settling" for adam isn't such a bad thing >>either.) >The current lineup certainly isn't "settling"... as I've said before on >leadheads, both were/are great. Just different. well, i quoted "settling" for that exact reason. i still prefer todd's voice, but my point was that the latest version of lead is nothing to sneeze at. >I bet they were all pretty loud, even acoustically. you could say that - especially at maxwell's, with its monster pa. >Apparently Joe's singing a couple more songs now... >sax on "Bad Hair"? Did the sax player have bad hair? yup. balding on top and a half-a-back-long rastatail in back. :) >Drew had his hair cut fairly short when Adam first joined the band... Seems >to have grown out, probably to fit the hair motif. drew still has some way to go before catching up with joe's shaggy man, adam's straggly locks and robin's bordertown haircut though. hell, next to those three, drew's curls look *respectable*! :) >I was gonna say "Who's faster than Flippy?" (Joe), i assume that there is a story behind "flippy"? >Hmmm. Small crowd is always a bummer. Don't tell me, the folks in the >cluster and at the bar weren't drawn towards the music? They resisted the >Lead forces? no, the few times i looked back i saw bobbing heads. they seemed to be into it, but new york crowds tend to be hipster scenesters. basically, if it's not a punk show, the best you are going to get is the bobbing head bop. >(I generally don't dance at shows, but Lead makes me do it. i did the wiggly gyration thing too, though i almost bopped about. the band wanted people to bop (joe even mentioned that dancing was allowed), but that's not the norm for this kind of venue and this kind of crowd (though you'd expect folks showing up for a cajun band like the mamou playboys to be boppers extrordinaire). >>i guess laurel was right about the new york crowd all being out at >>fourth street. >The rest of the folks >should've been around. Probably forgot about or didn't know about the show. >:( Bummer. Or were busy. Trapped under heavy furniture. I dunno. probably didn't feel like taking the train from manhattan to hoboken. lazy bums. ;) >Whatever you new york/jersey people do. ;-p litter, absorb toxic waste directly into the bloodstream and radiate. ;) woj ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:19:26 -0700 Subject: Accents and such On the subject of accents and musically-inclined people, I agree that you don't need to have musical talent to pick up accents easily, but just need to listen to music a lot. (I forget who said that). As anyone knows, I'm incredibly tone deaf. A, B, C? Nada. My singing has been known to send snails scurrying at terrifying speeds. HOWEVER, I pick up accents extremely quickly. When I was in seventh grade and taking a drama class, we had an assignment to learn a foreign accent. We were given tapes to listen to. Being lazy and a big procrastinator, I waited until 1 hour before class to listen to my tape (Italian), listened to it once, and went on stage. My teacher said I had the best accent of anyone there! Of course, accents can work the wrong way, too. I speak two foreign languages (none of them very well): Spanish and Russian. But my Spanish now comes out with a Russian accent. :) ==> Valerie ps. There is no such thing as a California accent, and I don't have it! ------------------------------ From: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net (Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:29:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Accents and such Hi everyone, I'm sitting listening to Loreena, "The Two Trees" song over and over again - -- she's just amazing! >known to send snails scurrying at terrifying speeds. HOWEVER, I pick up accents >extremely quickly. When I was in seventh grade and taking a drama class, we had I do too, and it's almost gotten me into trouble a couple of times. Todd works with a guy who has a really pronounced Southern accent, and when I talk to him I have to be *really* careful, or I start talking like he does, and I'm afraid he'll think I'm making fun of him! Which reminds me -- I lived in Missouri for a few years, and my best friend lived in Colorado (we grew up together in California) and she said that when I talked to her on the phone my Missouri accent almost disappeared except when I mentioned the name of the town where I lived, then it came back really strongly. Strange... I also spent two months in England when I was thirteen, and although my English accent disappeared the minute I got back to California, I didn't stop saying "brilliant" for the next six months...! >ps. There is no such thing as a California accent, and I don't have it! *grin* Me neither! Actually, I was surprised to hear recently that I now sound like an Easterner, after living back East (I can't stop calling it "back East" even though I live here :) ) for only four years -- I was sure that California accent was going to follow me around for the rest of my *life*... - -Sage, who would probably seriously consider leaving Todd for Ani Difranco if asked ;^) ___________________________________ Sage A. Lunsford, Todd M. O'Reilly, eight feline cohorts and a Web page http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 16:35:25 EDT Subject: notes from underground The Carolina Toasternet was down from Last Friday until Wednesday, and I'm still digging out. At least I've got the backlog under 400 pieces as I write this. If nothing else, dealing with this gets my mind off the fact that one of my cats ran away Sunday night, and has shown no inclination to return from sojurning in the next-door neighbor's yard and other local tourist attractions. Irene's query last week about what ectophiles' tastes in various things may indicate about their _compos mentis_ reminded me of the great words of Oscar Levant: "There is a thin line between genius and insanity, and I have erased that line." :-) WRT Amy's roots: There is a Galicia in Poland, and a Galicia in Spain, and it's the latter where the Spanish Celtic music is from (the painful elaboration of the obvious? :-) ). Then again, Celtic Klezmer does sound like an interesting concept :-). WRT Veronica's query: Liz Phair's last album was _Whip-Smart_ a year ago, unless that was the one the vendor was awaiting the release of :-). Back soon, hopefully. Mitch ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 17:57:14 EDT Subject: Surfacing for air again Well, I'm up to the beginnings of Wednesday's mail, and find it reassuring that I'm not the only one here who appreciates Rocky and Bullwinkle. In 1961, when it first hit the network, observers were predicting war with Canada within 39 weeks over Dudley Do-Right. Glad to hear that at least some of Liz P.'s underground classic, the Girly SOund tapes, are hitting the commercial market. Hopefully, they're being released piecemeal, so that we all can eventually purchase the full run of her early-years discography. By way of personal coincidence, I used to kow the late father of a guy who wrote in _Playboy_ last year about having known LP when, including having supplied her with the cassette recorder on which she recorded the Girly Sound series in her bedroom. The saturday before Jennifer Trynin appeared on COnan, she appeared on a local show here called _JBTV_, and also gave a good performance there. It is unfortunate that the latter show overlaps _The Road_, which also has some good stuff, in my market; e.g., last weekend they had Bela Fleck's segment, and it was also good. WRT COnan's humor, I only watch for the guests anymore; I much prefer Tom Snyder's approach to opening monologs. Mitch ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 18:21:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Them's Fightin' Words! >What do you mean "has a better voice than either chantreuse of the >aforementioned bands"? Mmm, I think what I mean is that I find Stephanie of AP stronger in the upper registers and more textured, passionate in her delivery overall. >Assuming, of course, that you meant 'chanteuse', Yeah, yeah yeah. And I thought I didn't need the commercial version of Eudora which comes with a spell-checker :) >I find it difficult to >believe that anyone has a better voice than the wonderful Kristy Thirsk >of Rose Chronicles. As good, maybe, but not likely better! Well, clearly she is your goddess. Me, I'm not huge on Rose Chronicles, but I base that on the one RC album I have, _Shiver_. Are there other albums that you would say are better? >Jeez, I gotta hear this Ars Poetica thingie! What label is the sucker on? Yes, it's really quite beautiful. The 8 tracks and 44 minutes flash by and fade out and leave me weeping for more. But remember, I described it as Love Spirals Downward vectored toward Rose Chronicles, so I can't say it is fundamentally like RC. Ard Poetica is a self-released album so it has no label. I got it through Woodrow Dumas at C'est La Mort Records. You can try e-mailing him for information at cestlamort@aol.com. >Art Liestman >Wounded Rose Chronicles Fan Don't be wounded! Understand all my posts carry an implicit IMHO watermark. - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com ========================================================================== "You can make a conspiracy out of anything, if you work hard enough at it." - - Michael J. Arbouet ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:40:07 -0400 Subject: alanis morrisette web page thought some of you might be interested in this. it's nutscape-enhanced, so browse accordingly. >From: CJ Blechschmidt >Subject: MUSIC: Alanis Morissette [Jagged Little Homepage] >Date: 31 Jul 1995 14:24:34 GMT > >The most complete web site for info, digitized songs, pictures, tour dates, >and more for Alanis Morissette. You can even write to Alanis from the >Jagged Little Homepage! > >Jagged Little Homepage > >-- > _____ _ ____ _ _ _ /\ /\ > / ____|_| _ \| | | |/ / cjb6@cornell.edu / \ /**\ http:// >| | _| |_) | | __ _ ___ | ' / / /****\ www.wp.com/ >| | | | _ <| | / _' |/ _/| -- > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Don't see your post yet? It's probably on the way. Be patient and read this > newsgroup's charter FAQ at . ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:51:47 -0700 Subject: culinary education 8/3/95 woj wrote: >>Do not chiffenaud anything for this recipe. If I wanted to chiffenaud something, how would I do it? - --Jerene - ----------------------------------------------- Cherish the cycle; Freedom in time. --Happy Rhodes - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:37:45 -0400 Subject: Re: culinary education >>>Do not chiffenaud anything for this recipe. >If I wanted to chiffenaud something, how would I do it? i was wondering if anyone would catch that one. the "chiffenaud" comment was a payback jab for picking on the recipe's author regarding his use of the word "chiffenaud" in a previous recipe of his. honestly, i'm not sure what that word means, and i suspect it might be a typo. webster says "chiffon" is "to make light and porous as by the addition of stiffly beaten egg whites." (that has to be one of the most detailed dictionary definitions i've ever read!) there is no listing for chiffenaud in any dictionary i have. anyone has an an oed handy? woj ------------------------------ From: Michael K Curry Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:13:01 +0059 (EDT) Subject: Re: culinary education On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, geek the boy wrote: > >>>Do not chiffenaud anything for this recipe. > > >If I wanted to chiffenaud something, how would I do it? > > i was wondering if anyone would catch that one. the "chiffenaud" > comment was a payback jab for picking on the recipe's author regarding > his use of the word "chiffenaud" in a previous recipe of his. > > honestly, i'm not sure what that word means, and i suspect it might be > a typo. webster says "chiffon" is "to make light and porous as by the > addition of stiffly beaten egg whites." (that has to be one of the most > detailed dictionary definitions i've ever read!) there is no listing > for chiffenaud in any dictionary i have. anyone has an an oed handy? > Well... I don't know the correct spelling, but it is a cooking term. Or maybe more accurately a chopping term. :) It's a method of cutting things, though I've only seen it done with basil. You roll the basil leaf and chop it, resulting in strips of basil. Or maybe someone can explain it a bit better than that. :) Mike *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* | Michael Curry / mcurry@world.std.com / CIS: 70372,3563 | |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++smoe+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| | Reaching-From-Nowhere -- The Milla Mailing List | | reaching-from-nowhere-request@world.std.com | *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ From: Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 21:50:13 -0600 Subject: Re: culinary education At 20:37 04-08-95 -0400, woj explained: >honestly, i'm not sure what that word means, and i suspect it might be >a typo. webster says "chiffon" is "to make light and porous as by the >addition of stiffly beaten egg whites." (that has to be one of the most >detailed dictionary definitions i've ever read!) there is no listing >for chiffenaud in any dictionary i have. anyone has an an oed handy? hmmm... well, as i was trying to avoid serious thought when i read this, i actually went upstairs to look in my mother's big ol' oed, and found nothing. as i still wanted to avoid that serious thought i mentioned, i looked up several possible spelling variations, such as chifenaud, chiffonaud, etc, and still found nothing. heck, i even checked in my french dictionary, though it didn't really sound like any french word i'd heard... rien. the closest was maybe the french verb chiffoner, which means to crumple, crease, rumple, or alternatively to worry or bother. so i think we can safely say that this is not a word :) (reading further...) > Well... I don't know the correct spelling, but it is a cooking term. >Or maybe more accurately a chopping term. :) It's a method of cutting >things, though I've only seen it done with basil. You roll the basil >leaf and chop it, resulting in strips of basil. huh.. maybe we all need cooking dictionaries ;) sounds like it could stem from the verb i mentioned though... damon (*still* trying to avoid doing any serious thinking) _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, nomad@acca.nmsu.edu \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." Vancouver, BC, CANADA |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://rever.nmsu.edu/~nomad/paukarut.htm "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: mizbiz@megaweb.com (Liz Biss) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 23:30:35 Subject: Re: culinary education > >On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, geek the boy wrote: > >> >>>Do not chiffenaud anything for this recipe. >> >> >If I wanted to chiffenaud something, how would I do it? >> >> i was wondering if anyone would catch that one. the "chiffenaud" >> comment was a payback jab for picking on the recipe's author regarding >> his use of the word "chiffenaud" in a previous recipe of his. >> >> honestly, i'm not sure what that word means, and i suspect it might be >> a typo. webster says "chiffon" is "to make light and porous as by the >> addition of stiffly beaten egg whites." (that has to be one of the most >> detailed dictionary definitions i've ever read!) there is no listing >> for chiffenaud in any dictionary i have. anyone has an an oed handy? >> > > Well... I don't know the correct spelling, but it is a cooking term. >Or maybe more accurately a chopping term. :) It's a method of cutting >things, though I've only seen it done with basil. You roll the basil >leaf and chop it, resulting in strips of basil. > > Or maybe someone can explain it a bit better than that. :) > >Mike > > > *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* > | Michael Curry / mcurry@world.std.com / CIS: 70372,3563 | > |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++smoe+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| > | Reaching-From-Nowhere -- The Milla Mailing List | > | reaching-from-nowhere-request@world.std.com | > *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* > > >>"Chiffonnade" - A term used in cooking for all plants, herbal or otherwise, cut into fine strips or ribbons. It is specially used for mixture of sorrel and lettuce cut into "julienne" strips and cooked in butter. --- The New Larousse Gastronomique. Feel bettter now? > Ms Liz Biss "Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." - - Oscar Wilde and I feel a brat attack coming on...... :> ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 03:30:01 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Eli Brandt (ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu) ****************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Mary Lou Rowe Sat September 03 1960 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:48:46 CET-1 Subject: postage to Europe A quick note to european subscribers: while preparing my recent order with Aural Gratification, I asked Kevin about the new postage rates. So here are the current rates for air mail postage to Europe: 1 CD = $3.50 2 CDs = $4.35 3 CDs = $6.00 4 CDs = $7.70 Cheers, Klaus _____ Klaus "Cosmic Vagabond" Kluge --*-- klaus@inphobos.wupper.de "now, now that you're here, stay with me light years" - Heather Nova ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 16:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Jewel, Holly Cole, and Mountain Stage Hi! JeffW, Tamar and I saw Jewel open for Peter Murphy at Toad's Place in New Haven yesterday evening. She only played for 20 minutes, but the five people who were there just to see her enjoyed it immensely. I felt really sorry for her, though -- she had to endure constant jeers and catcalls from the goths by the bar, and even though she has gotten very adept at looking someone in the eye and telling him to fuck off and no, I'm *not* getting off the stage just yet, thank you very much, it's bumming her out quite a bit. Afterwards Jeff and I talked with her for a few minutes. She has no clue why she's open- ing for Peter Murphy either -- she put a plastic smile on her face and said through clenched teeth, "I'm sure it will be good for me in the long run." She is clearly not enjoying this in the least. :( As I pointed out, however, at least it's providing her with a prime opportunity to wear her black vinyl pants. :) She did pretty much all of her silly songs ("Race Car Driver", the sneezing song, "My Very Own Private God's Gift To Women", complete with a medley of 70's and 80's hit love songs in the middle and a Tracy Chapman impression that sounded *exactly* like her), started off with a quadruple-time version of "Pieces of You" (she's still doing the Cranberries thing, and sorry, but I think it's a scream), and ended with the yodeling song. No "Who Will Save Your Souls", but I don't think the crowd would have stood for any more from her, unfortunately. :( We stuck around for 15 minutes of Peter Murphy's set, then left when we concluded that the 4 songs we had just heard sounded exactly alike, and we didn't like any of them. He does a very weird thing with his microphone -- he moves it away from his mouth in jerky motions as he sings each phrase, so it looks like there's magnet in his mouth that's at the same polarity as the one in the mike. It cracked Tamar up so bad, she couldn't look at the stage. :) It was pretty funny. The audience was pretty funny, too -- a horde of goths who seem to have forgotten that 1982 was a long time ago. I'd like to find out whose brilliant idea it was to have Jewel on this tour, and throttle them. Argh. Anyway, a few notes: - -- Holly Cole's Tom Waits tour is coming to the Florence Gould Music Hall on East 59th Street in New York City on Wednesday, August 16. Opening is -- wait for it -- Ron Sexsmith!!! Aieeeeee -- he's everywhere! He'll be opening for Jane Siberry next, I'm sure... :P Anyway, woj and I are thinking about going (and showing up late :), so if anyone would like to join us, please e-mail. - -- I'm not sure if this is being rebroadcast everywhere this week, but at least on WFUV, this week's edition of Mountain Stage features, among others, Kristen Hersh, Milla, and October Project. Wowza. It's on Sunday night (tomorrow) at 9 PM, in case anyone's interested and in the listening area. I think we missed this the first time, since WFUV only just recently added the Sunday time (it used to be aired just on Friday afternoons at 2), so we'll be taping. - -- Next Friday the 11th the Nields will be playing a free show somewhere in Westport, CT. If anyone has details about this, please e-mail me -- the Nields web page doesn't have anything but the location. I need a time and directions to the park, wherever it is... help would be appreciated. Thanks. :) Thunder approaches... better unplug. Happy weekend, all! +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"We now return you to your regular time. Please take all of your belong- | | ings in order to avoid a paradox." -- Uncle Bob | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #181 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu