From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #176 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 2 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 176 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:56:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Liz Sarah Klaus Bach (PDQ) Kevin Python Froud On 31 Jul 95 at 13:04, veronica sawyer thunk: > PDQ Bach... wow, there's a name i dimly remember. a friend played > some PDQ Bach for me almost... uhhh... 10 years ago. (veronica shows > her age.) i guess you can count me a fan too, even if i didn't get > many of the jokes or run out and buy the albums. > > (part of why i love ecto is that anytime someone mentions some cool > old media thing that you'd think would be obscure about 4 zillion > people who love it too pop up and carry on really interesting > discussions about it. i know it's not obscure, but have we had a > Rocky & Bullwinkle thread yet?) Hear, here! This is the main reason ecto is so wonderful! You can bring up an obscure, or older act, and find plenty of people that have heard of/them. That's why I asked about PDQ. I knew there had to be at least a _couple_ of ecto-folk who listened as well. As far as Rocky & Bullwinkle, I'm afraid I can't help much there. I hardly ever watched them, since I didn't watch a lot of TV in my youth, and - I may be in the minority here - I don't particularly like them. Currently, I'm into The Tick, and Pinky and the Brain. Now these are what cartoons are all about! (See my sig quote.) When I recently went to Barnes and Noble, I was looking for Froud, and couldn't find his works. What section do you normally find him in? Or would I have to special order something? If that's the case, then this B&N should grow larger. I don't like special ordering something when I can't peruse it for awhile. Once again, listening to _the mask and mirror_, Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "Not in the face, NOT IN THE FACE" - Arthur, The Tick's sidekick, and his battle cry - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: chris@neuron.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 09:43:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Liz Sarah Klaus Bach (PDQ) Kevin Python Froud >> Rocky & Bullwinkle thread yet?) Any y'all heard the Birdsongs of the Mesozoic version of the Rocky and Bullwinkle theme??? chris@neuron.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson)|http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~whusfm "So here are the questions: Is time long or is it wide? And the answers? Sometimes the answers just come in the mail." ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 10:42:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Liz Sarah Klaus Bach (PDQ) Kevin Python Froud At 07:56 AM 8/1/95 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >When I recently went to Barnes and Noble, I was looking for Froud, >and couldn't find his works. What section do you normally find him >in? Or would I have to special order something? If that's the case, >then this B&N should grow larger. I don't like special ordering >something when I can't peruse it for awhile. Brian Froud is, primarily, an artist. You'll find his art on the cover of some recent novels in the Fantasy section... most recently a novel by Patricia McKillip, methinks. I forget the exact name of the series. (Bad Laurel). Smallish hardcover series... He also did Lady Cottington's pressed Fairy book, which is an oversized trade paperback that looks very much like an old album. SHould also be in the Fantasy/SF section. But who knows... best to ask a bookstore clerk about it, if they'd seen it, they'd remember it. Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/ IMHO Productions-- Internet Consulting & Web Design ------------------------------ From: rzeisern@colybrand.com (Rob Zeiser -- HRA - Dallas ) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 12:14:53 EDT Subject: [none] To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu >From: veronica sawyer >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Liz Sarah Klaus Bach (PDQ) Kevin Python Froud >i was in newbury last week and on their list of new releases they >had >Liz Phair. which i couldn't find, of course, so i asked. and he >couldn't find it either, of course, so he said "Well, I guess it >isn't >out yet." and promptly erased it from the list. (which was not >exactly >the resolution i was hoping for. :-( so does anyone have any >information on this supposed new Liz Phair album? pleeeze? :) >From what I've read, it's an EP with 6 unreleased demos of songs recorded before _Exile in Guyville_. I'm not sure exactly when it's due out. ------------------------------ From: Patrick Martin Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:22:25 -0230 Subject: unscribe unscribe ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:57:57 -0400 Subject: get moose und sqvirrel! chris@neuron.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) sez: >Any y'all heard the Birdsongs of the Mesozoic version of the Rocky >and Bullwinkle theme??? you bet! for those wondering, birdsongs of the mesozoic was the band that roger miller formed after disbanding mission of burma (the first great post-punk band) due to hearing loss. they combined noisy bits of rock with the compositional elements of a chamber orchestra. their work is all instrumental and difficult to categorize, but could be described as minimalist rock, for lack of a better phrase. they had a number of releases on the ace of hearts label, all of which are hard to come bythese days. however, rykodisc has released a compilation called _sonic geology_ which collects large portion of their work, including the rock and bullwinkle theme. any ectophile whose tastes run to the bizarre may want to pick this disc up. "Matt Bittner" sez: >As far as Rocky & Bullwinkle, I'm afraid I can't help much there. rocky and bullwinkle was the animanics of that era - a cartoon too-often overlooked by adults and utterly wasted on children. sure, they were entertained, but all of the wonderful puns and obscure references went right over their heads. nickelodeon used to play r&b episodes at 7:00 pm every night. i wonder if they still do.... woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:02:01 -0400 Subject: sybil vane anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: >woj ectoided: >>second, after reading anthony's (horan) post about sybil vane, i picked >>up a cut out of their debut for $2. >It's already on cut-out? Poor band. It's just been released here. well, it was an in-store promo actually. it's just been released here as well. >It's grown on me even more since I posted about it. There are still a couple >of tracks that don't do anything for me, but there are also three tracks that >make me go "mmmmmm". most of the album makes me go yummy, but a few songs are kinda tame and slicked up. still, it gets at least one thumb up from me. woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:20:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Liz Sarah Klaus Bach (PDQ) Kevin Python Froud veronica sawyer sez: >well i did get to see Sarah and the Chieftans, once in Boston >and once in DC. will a scarcely adorned WOW! suffice? we'll let it suffice *this* time. ;) >i avoided Ron Sexsmith both times so i wouldn't know about him. ;) you know, everyone should probably check him out for themselves and not take footah's, meth's and my words as law...but if you're pressed for time, don't speed to a show on his account! ;) >or perhaps because Sarah sounded more Irish than she usually does footah claimed that sarah is sponging accents off the chieftains. i don't hear it, myself, but my ears are shot anyways. :) personally, i think that anyone can sound irish when singing songs like "the foggy dew." for instance, back in college, i played the gravedigger in hamlet and sang that song of hi to the tune of "my lagan love" and *i* sounded irish. that's a tough order! ;) >*right* after the boston show it *poured* rain; Christine and i >got *soaked* but that's ok; love is wet and squishy sometimes. :) shouldn't that be a winky? ;) >i really enjoyed the Chieftans too, even though i'd never >heard them before the show. to me it's the kind of music that makes >you feel like you're in a pub working on a pint of Guiness. (sp?) i took the train (well, five of them as it turns out since the link from new jersey tranit to metro north is three subway lines) up to new haven to see the show there. i spent the entire nj transit train ride staring at a guinness advert. i had to settle for an elm city ale when i finally got to new haven, but at least that's still light-years ahead of budweiser! :) >and all the special guests like Ashley MacIsaacs were wonderful, >and, and, and they had a tape of Shelia Chandra on between sets. >gosh darnit, what else could you want?!?! go see it!! :) what she said! >and maybe i'll get into trouble for this topic, but: when my friend >Bev and i were leaving the show we were swimming through that >crowd of beautiful people when Bev observed, "Sarah's a dyke magnet!" hmmm. i'd say she attracts *everyone*. woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:42:48 -0400 Subject: ecto-tv THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE sez: >Jennifer Trynin was on Conan O'Brien (the worst show on television, but boy, >does he do a lot for the Boston music scene), and she doesn't wow me in >general, but it was a good performance, I guess. i rather enjoyed her song on conan. she and her band played "better than nothing," which i guess is the single. she started off kinda timidly, but by the end of the song was pretty into it. i liked the unassuming "normal" appearance of the band as well. her album continues to grow on me. >woj mentioned that her >band has a few heavy-duty Yale/New Haven connections -- anybody know the >details of that? yeah, according the new haven advocate, jen trynin's original bassist was ed valasukas who now plays for new haven's gravel pit. her next bassist was mike country, whom the advocate implies ius from around new haven somewhere. maybe not heavy-duty connections, but there they are. >Natalie Merchant was on Letterman the next night, complete with Katell >Keineg on backing vocals. for some reason, i didn't know that katell was going to be there too, so i was pleasantly surprised by her voice gracing the song ("carnival" which i know is the first single). it synced with me more than the times i have listened to _tigerlily_, but i doubt that i'm going to like her solo work that much (then again, i wasn't too keen on the later 10,000 manics albums either, so i'm not surprised). i found it interesting that most of the letterman band was displaced by natalie's band - is this the third time that's happened? maybe fourth? however, jennifer turner, who played guitar on the album took up the bass while the world's most dangerous band's guitarist played guitar. what up with that? lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) sez: >Aw shucks, Conan's show has grown on me... i haven't watched it much, but what i have seen didn't impress me. i was a bit surprised since conan and i have one thing in common: the editorship of a college humor magazine (him at harvard and me at clarkson). i recall seeing some of the issues he worked on and thought they were pretty good. then again, the only shows i watched were early ones and he might not have made the considerable style jump from print media to broadcast media yet. woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:02:15 -0400 Subject: galicia no tempo meth sez: >Or at least Celtic -- I found it interesting that at both shows, when Paddy >introduced him as being "from Galicia, the Celtic part of Spain" most of the >people in the audience laughed, not realizing that he was being dead serious! paddy could at least pronounce "galicia" correctly - the "c" should be pronounced like "th" not "sh". amy sez: >More proof that "everyone's a Celt.." some of my ancestors come from a >place in eastern Europe called Galicia, it is in Poland bordered by Austria >and Hungary. i think you mean bohemia, whose name comes from the celtic tribe called boii. Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com sez: >Check out a group called Milladoiro, a Spanish group who play Celtic >music from their region of Spain. meth sez: >Lessee, we have _Castellum Honesti_ (which woj bought in Spain, whoo-hoo) >and _Galicia No Tempo_, which is on Green Linnet. green linnet has released both milladoiro (pronounced /mee-ya-door-o/ more or less) albums in the united states. i originally had picked up the green linnet release of _castellum honesti_ (which they released second for some reason) and then bought the spanish pressing while in spain, thinking that i didn't have it. duh. another spanish band playing celtic music is celtas cortos. they are more akin to boiled in lead in that they play celtic rock. the one album of theirs that i have is called _salida de emergencia_ on p & c twins. it's alright, but pretty straight-forward. i don't think any of the band members are galician since it sounds like some folks trying to be irish. woj ------------------------------ From: "The ONLY one..." Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:35:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: unsubcribe unsubscribe ecto ------------------------------ From: Christopher Boek Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:52:36 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: infobautics anonymous (fwd) > > Meth wrote: > > > It's hot here again. Maybe I'll go to Australia. :) and Jessica retorted ... > > Or california!! I love it here. weather is fantastic!!! > I'd go with California myself if I were you, meth. We've just had the rainiest coldest July in a loooong time. Here's hoping for a slightly better August (it's slightly sunny today, so it's a start, but still only 13 degrees or so (Celsius, of course, don't ask me to convert it ...) Chris. - -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||| ||| Christopher Boek - c.boek@ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||| Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | | Tel:(+613)- 344 7966(BH) 853 4296(AH) |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|"I've got no room for a quote" CB 1994. ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 21:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: unsub protocol and pdq Hi! Geez, people are unsubbing in droves lately! What did I say??? The correct way to unsub is to send a note containing that word to majordomo@ ns2.rutgers.edu, by the way... won't work any other way. Hey, I just noticed that WNYC carries Schickele Mix on Thursday nights at mid- night. Will have to check that out... (and on August 18, New Sounds will feature "nocturnal music" by the likes of Julee Cruise, David Sylvian and Kate Bush, among others... that's at 11PM). And hey, the Moscow Evening News is on C-SPAN2! mazing. Anyway, enough babble... hope any ectophiles lurking out there in central Florida are weathering the storm safely. My parents are in a Motel 8 right now, not far enough from the shore for *my* comfort, but hey... :/ +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"We now return you to your regular time. Please take all of your belong- | | ings in order to avoid a paradox." -- Uncle Bob | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] Wheww, my place seemed kind of warm about 20 minutes ago, but it wasn't til I reheated those Thai leftovers that it suddenly seemed really hot in here! I had to zip up to Rochester yesterday, so I was out of town (again!) for Jewel's show last night. I wasn't psyched to see Peter Murphy anyway, but I probably would have braved it for Jewel. Anyone guy? As a small consolation prize, I did get to hear "Who Will Save Your Souls?" on the radio in Rochester, since she will be there later this week. I did manage to catch a few shows in DC though, both at the 9:30 club. Saturday I saw the Swans. Gira's voice is so amazing, and it really rumbles through every bone in my body. I think he actually sings lower than the guy from the Crash Test Dummies. They buzzed through 3, maybe 4, songs in the first half hour, running the gamut from bleak and gloomy to, well, bleak and gloomy. (This is the swans, after all.) I think once they actually managed to work themselves up a bit to sound angry. I was a bit disappointed that jarboe, the female lead, wasn't as haunting as I'd found her on some of the albums. I was generally pleased with the show though, until the final song, where gira got really mad at some woman and threatened to go smack her. I have no idea what she was doing. Then he called her a "fucking cunt", which knocked me out of the reflective mood the music had put me in, and I didn't get back into it again in the short remainder of the show. I did buy 2 discs though: Jarboe's Sacrificial Cake and BeautifulPeopleltd (also featuring Jarboe). After all of one listen each, my impressions were that Sacrificial Cake was kind of disappointing, in that it's almost all of one tone. Go figure. Actually, I was expecting more because I have an older disc by her, 13 Masks, that is all over the map. It has some really amazing songs, and a wide variety of moods. I was much happier with beautifulpeopleltd. This one really was all over the map, with swansy moping to Diamanda-style suicidal (or murderous in her case) anger to a weird show tune cover and something even folky. I might have more to say about this one after a few more listens. On Sunday I headed back to 9:30 to see Laika. When I was in Seattle, Neile had played them for me, and while I couldn't remember what they sounded like, I did remember that i liked them :) I got there pretty late and only caught about 40 minutes of them live, but it was an odd and engaging show. When I entered I was instantly engulfed by a muddy din, but within a few minutes it all started to come clear to me. With two manic percussionists and a hefty supply of synthesized sounds and rhythms, they were capable of making an intense, wildly rhythmic, chaotic but still musical melange. According to the City Paper, "Mixing space rock, bass-heavy dub, techno/jungle beats, jazzy vibraphone, and sliced-and-diced sounds with (margaret) Fielder's breathy vocals, Laika proffers atmospheric, if not exactly hook filled, mood pieces." The instrumental encore was hilarious, as the two leaders battled face-to-face with sound effects on dueling synths. They couldn't keep from laughing either. (Not to be confused with surf-rock band Laika and the Cosmonauts.) Oddly enough, there were no discs for sale anywhere (which was half the reason I went down so late anyway, figuring getting a disc would make the trip worth it). The 9:30 club is really a pit, and amazingly enough, now it's a multiple-staged pit. They now have an additional stage in the basement, which is a brick-walled, damp wine cellar like room with exposed pipes in the ceiling. At least it's always cool down there. Probably the funniest moment of the evening was seeing Laika fan after Laika fan approach the guy from Space Streakings (a japanese avant-noise ensemble who's albums all seemed to feature an unidentifiable cartoon animal excreting on things) trying to buy Laika merchandise, and the guy only seemed to understand one word of English. That word was t-shirt. Whenever anyone asked questions, he just looked really baffled, unless it happened to include "t-shirt", in which case he would smile hesitantly and point to the one on the wall. Unfortunately there set ended during Laika's. They were followed on stage by another hardcore style band, Mount Shasta, whose lead singer reminded me very strongly of Willy Wonka. Instantly, they let loose a fast, tight roar of instrumental music, and eventually Mr. Wonka lunges for the mic. His eyes bug out wildly and he starts screeming at the top of his lungs into a microphone that has to be turned down as low as possible, so that despite his always enthusiastic actions, you never could hear him make any sound at all. Probably didn't matter since it looked like the songs all had about 3 lines to them, with the rest fleshed out by "WHOWWWWWW"s and "UHHHHHHH"s. The whole scene was quite amusing. Neal ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cordelia's Dog? I was in House of Musical Traditions over the weekend, buying gag gifts for my non-musical friend who is marrying a very musical woman. At his bachelor party I presented him with a kazoo, slide whistle and nose flute. To further demonstrate his great musical talent, he promptly stuck the wrong side of the kazoo into his mouth and tried to blow on it. Actually, my friend often seems a bit confused like that. He thinks that the DJ at his wedding is going to happen to have Altan discs, because everyone does, and when I asked him if he'd like me to get tix to ani difranco for him and his fiance, he encouraged me to run out instantly because ani is really popular and her show is going to sell out very quickly. His only source of music is me and a few other friends. Then I dropped a comment about Green Day to him, but he hadn't ever heard of them. (Then to cap it off, he insisted vehemently that Oliver Stone had directed Fatal Attraction.) Whoah, all tangents here. SOrry about that. Also sorry about forgetting to title my previous note. I was supposed to be getting to the point where my sister, who came to House of Musical Traditions with me (and dropped a lot of money on cool drums [a bodhran and dumbek]) wondered about Cordelia's Dog. She thought she heard a cool folky song on the radio, either by them or called that. It sounded mildly familiar to me, but I couldn't come up with anything. Anyone know of them or the song? Sorry I'm incapable of briefly asking a simple question. I only ramble because of something Meth said :) Neal ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:42:12 -0400 Subject: Sojourn in Concert; WNEW goes AAA? Hi Folx! Two quick notes: For those near Philly, a band called Sojourn is playing thursday night in Westmont, NJ. They are about to be signed by Mercury Records, I think, and will be performing in a plush old 50's-type theatre. They are truly worthy of Ecto-inclusion, being a sort of "progressive-folk-rock" band with a wonderful female vocalist. Try to imagine Maddy Prior fronting 10,000 Maniacs... I know this is short notice - sorry. Admission is $5. Email me for directions (it's the Westmont Theatre on Haddon Ave. in Westmont, NJ) if needed! I read in the New Yawk Times today that venerable WNEW has moved towards an AAA format. I wonder if Happy's voice may soon grace the airwaves? Any area philes notice the new format? (Meth?) Thank you for your time, and now, back to our progress, which is already programmed. Robert the Lovejoy ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 22:06:59 -0500 Subject: Re: ecto-tv At 06:42 PM 8/1/95 -0400, geek the boy wrote: >lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) sez: > >>Aw shucks, Conan's show has grown on me... > >i haven't watched it much, but what i have seen didn't impress me. i >was a bit surprised since conan and i have one thing in common: the >editorship of a college humor magazine (him at harvard and me at >clarkson). i recall seeing some of the issues he worked on and thought >they were pretty good. then again, the only shows i watched were early >ones and he might not have made the considerable style jump from print >media to broadcast media yet. Now, now, Conan did write for SNL for a number of years, as well as for the Simpsons. That counts as pretty good broadcast media. (Well, much of the time. And we can't know for sure which sketches on SNL he was responsible for during that era...) It really does remind me of the early days on Late Night w/David Letterman. Some of the humor just doesn't appeal to a number of people. Some is just absurd/ludicrous. Some is lame, some is cutting edge, depending on your tastes and point of view. I can't help but find some of it really funny. They did a whole Conan O'Brien miniseries that was a takeoff on the Baseball and Civil War ones. It was done in such earnest, with such insignificant/funny subject matter and perfect music and everything, it was brilliant. Er, when I say whole miniseries, I mean one 5-10 minute piece on one show. Andy Richter walking around at the Grammy Awards getting Really Famous Musicians to concur with him that some old band who's name I can't remember now was the best ever. He had Sting singing bits of a cheesy old metal song, for crying out loud. Those are a couple of higher points, IMHO. Other things like the staring contests and subtitles and "interviews" with tv sets/people are so lame sometimes. Other times, it's funny 'cuz you can't believe they're doing something so ludicrous on tv. I admire the nerve! Or something. I dunno. I can't believe I'm going on so much about the Conan O'brien show. Especially since I haven't watched it in months, haven't watched it regularly for even more months... Mayhaps I'll watch tonight. If it's really lame, y'all can laugh at me. Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/index.html IMHO Productions: Internet Consulting, Training, & Web Design ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 23:01:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Cordelia's Dog? At 10:22 PM 8/1/95 -0400, Neal Copperman wrote: >Whoah, all tangents here. SOrry about that. Also sorry about forgetting >to title my previous note. I was supposed to be getting to the point >where my sister, who came to House of Musical Traditions with me (and >dropped a lot of money on cool drums [a bodhran and dumbek]) wondered >about Cordelia's Dog. She thought she heard a cool folky song on the >radio, either by them or called that. It sounded mildly familiar to me, >but I couldn't come up with anything. Anyone know of them or the song? There's a band called Cordelia's Dad who has a couple of albums out. Goodstuff. I saw them open for Boiled in Lead in Minneapolis on St. Patrick's Day once about four years ago, and again this past year. They do folky trad type stuff. Bandleader is a scholar of american traditional music, tho they do lots of celtic stuff as well. Occasional originals. Used to be a three piece band, have since added another player or two. I have their self-titled first album as well as a recent release on Omnium (Record label run by Drew Miller of Boiled in Lead) called "Comet"... More info can be found on the Omnium Web page, I'd suspect. Which is located at http://www.player.org/ someplace. I could probably track some more down as well. I think they're from the east coast someplace. I forget. Neal, you were talking about the 9:30 club and trad music-- I don't suppose you managed to catch Boiled in Lead at the 9:30 club a little over a week ago? I'm anxious to hear how that show went (Since a D.C. friend of mine is a tremendous fan of BiL, but he was in Minneapolis at a convention when they played D.C. Cruel circumstances, methinks.) Bestest, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/index.html IMHO Productions: Internet Consulting, Training, & Web Design ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #176 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu