From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #171 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 28 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 171 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nyteshde@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:11:30 -0400 Subject: Tape Dubbing Project? Is the Ecto tape dubbing project still going? I was wondering, as the FAQ hasn't been posted lately, and I was considering contributing to it. :) - -Nyx ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:43:16 -0400 Subject: Re: #1(2) ecto-digest V2 #167 On Thu, 27 Jul 1995 BahbinLA@aol.com said: >I hope I'm doing this right! I'm still looking for ANY info on how to get >Happy's CDs: "Rearmament" and "The Muse of Intent". If anyone has ANY info >on them PLEASE e-mail me at: >Bahb in LA@AOL.com THANKS!!!!! :-D > Bahb, You just missed a thread in which Happy's label, Aural Gratification, announced its own net address - it's even on AOL! >From the internet, send email to auralg@aol.com - and if you're on AOL, just send mail to AURAL G - I understand they respond pretty quickly and should be able to point you to a likely CD store or provide direct ordering info! Also, "The Muse of Intent" is not a Happy Rhodes album, it's Mitch Elrod. Happy did paint the cover, however. Roberts Anonymous ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:47:51 -0400 Subject: AG delivery Hello Ectofans, or the more powerful Ectoairconditioners! Today's mail (is that a clothing store?) bought a package from Bearsville including two CDs and a Tee Shirt! I will post in more detail a little later, but my first listen to Ambient v1 almost blew out my subwoofer. There was so much bass that the CD player skipped. I think I'm going to like this one. Robert the fully excursioned ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: conversion ;> Hi! So the other day my boss Chris comes up to me and says, "Do you have anything by Nine Inch Nails?" After I got up off the floor at such a random question, I replied no, not personally -- why? Well, it seems she wants to discover some new music. I believe her exact words were, "You know, I'm getting REALLY sick of Elton John!" Grinning evilly, I said, don't worry, I've got a few things for you. Not NIN though -- just because they were at Woodstock II doesn't mean you're going to like them (that's the sole reason she was asking about them). The next day I brought in a bunch of tapes, containing the following: Happy, Volume I and Warpaint Kate, The Sensual World Tori, Little Earthquakes Sarah, Solace Jane, Jane Siberry and Bound By The Beauty Loreena, Parallel Dreams and Elemental John and Mary, Victory Gardens Laurie Freelove, Smells Like Truth The Story, Grace in Gravity Annie Lennox, Diva David Sylvian, Secrets of the Beehive I told her to take her time, I've got them all on CD somewhere. :) Today she brought back the John and Mary/Laurie Freelove tape and said that while it was nice stuff, she grew up with folk music and that style is what she's trying to get away from right now. (Oops, thinks I, maybe I should have brought FTE and When I Was A Boy and BTC instead?) But boy oh boy, does she LOVE TSW!!! She said, "Now I understand why you're always going on about Kate Bush being your goddess." :) She doesn't like all the multilay- ering of vocals (and even on an old tape in her car stereo she noticed that the engineering wasn't all that great), but she thinks Kate has a great voice and "Reaching Out" just blew her away. Tomorrow I'm going to bring her The Kick Inside, and see if that's better (or worse -- could scare her away for good :). And I hope she gets to the Happy tape soon... In the midst of a generally colossally shitty week at work, that was an especially bright spot. Not to mention fun. I hope she asks me for more... coz there's definitely more where it came from!!! Hee... Meredith, .sigless in gaffa this evening meth@delphi.com P.S. Saw Alanis Morrissette's video on eMpTV this evening. God, what an awful video for, I'm sorry to say, a pretty awful song (imho, of course). Sorry guys, but I'm not impressed. Is the rest of the album any better? ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 01:03:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Something out of the ordinary... I said, about a moment in a PDQ Bach concert: >>The other thing I remember vividly was an opera in which one of the >>characters made a comment about a psychokiller, and another follwed up by >>asking, "qu'est-ce que c'est?" My brother and I burst out laughing, and >>then realized that we were the only folks in the audience who got the joke. And redadept asks: >OK, now you've done it. What's the joke? :) :) :) > >If I rember my french correctly, "Qu'est-ce que c'est" roughly translates >as "What is it?" It could be a trans-lingual pun, but I haven't heard >enough PDQ to know the piece. Actually, it has nothing to do with language, puns, or anything else. It's a reference to the song "Psychokiller" by Talking Heads, from their album _77_. qu'est-ce que c'est translates a little more accurately as "what is this," but you were close enough. ;-) Jeff ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 07:18:01 Subject: Lingquiztics Ulrich Grepel wrote: > Now the counterexamples: > > Ich kenne, dass wisst Ihr genau, Happy Rhodes nicht persoenlich. > [I do not, you do know that very well, know Happy Rhodes personally.] This made me wonder... Are you *absolutely* sure about that? Just checking... I have another problem for you all. I sometimes hear things like "I would to ". What does that mean? As far as I can figure out, sometimes it means doing causes , and at other times it means causes . Examples: I would like to have a banana. I would look at my watch to know the time. Maybe there are cases in which it is a mixture of the above two meanings... Albert :) P.S. I really hope you can help me out of this problem... P.P.S. Or maybe not. :> - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things United Mooseheads Inc. | That are not addressed nor listened to President | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 00:14:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Happily ignorant...not ignorant and happy At 18:24 27-07-95 -0400, Sagewrote: >Hi Sheila (and the rest of the world :) ) > >It's my Second Post to Ecto! Everybody duck! yeee-hooo! ummm... i think i missed your first one! how did i manage that??? >You might want to try the CD Connection, which is an online cd "store". You >can telnet to cdconnection.com and go from there -- they have a search >capability that allows you to search via artist, song, album title, etc. I >looked up Happy Rhodes and came up with eight of her albums. Their prices >are pretty decent too. just wanted to second this - i mentioned it to that first person who asked too. i actually bought all of happy's cds through the cd connection (except rhodesongs and equipoise). (oh and sage - i *did* check there for the nina hagen album too :) the other thing to do is contact aural gratification (happy's label) themselves - which i've done just recently to finally get rhodesongs, the bat-winged dove t-shirt, and that "radio promo" cd-4 that was mentioned here a while ago). they have an email address now, AURALG@aol.com... talk to kevin bartlett. also, you can order the cds directly from ag, though the prices are not, if i remember correctly, as good as they are if you do it through cd connection. write kevin for prices, but the last i knew it was US$13.99 per album (plus shipping and all that). ag's address is: PO Box 380 Bearsville, NY 12409 ordering from far away has been more or less the only way for me to get these albums; in local cd stores (vancouver) i could only find her latest at the time, equipoise. >Obligatory disclaimer: I'm not involved with CD Connection beyond buying a >couple of CDs from them. They have never offered me large sums of money to >post nice messages about them. (Not that I'd object if they did *grin*) ditto. nor am i involved with aural gratification ;) damon (listening to his new [old] joni mitchell cd and who found the indigo girls' eponymous cd today, as well. isn't "canaan" the same as another song on one of their later albums??) _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, nomad@acca.nmsu.edu \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." Vancouver, BC, CANADA |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://rever.nmsu.edu/~nomad/paukarut.htm "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 03:30:02 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** **************** Rob Woiccak (woj) (woj@remus.rutgers.edu) **************** ******************** John Relph (relph@presto.ig.com) ********************* ****************** Bob Kollmeyer (rjk1@siesta.wustl.edu) ****************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rob Woiccak (woj) Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:30:16 +1200 Subject: Re: AG delivery > Hello Ectofans, or the more powerful Ectoairconditioners! *grin* Yay! Bob tells of the new album: > Today's mail (is that a clothing store?) bought a package from > Bearsville including two CDs and a Tee Shirt! I will post in more > detail a little later, but my first listen to Ambient v1 almost blew > out my subwoofer. There was so much bass that the CD player skipped. > I think I'm going to like this one. That confused me for a moment, but I presume you mean that Bob's Big Bass(tm) speakers shook the player? It sounded a little bizzare! At any rate, I look forward to the more detailed post, and I hope that other people will be giving their opinions on this one too :) A new AG album involving Happy is cause for excitement in my books! (You know, what with "The Freedom Sessions", and Happy's forthcoming 'puter offerings, I can see myself ending up with a fairly impressive bunch of CD-ROM items before I have a machine that will play them :) Philip _ / ( | _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |/ \|/ | (_ / | / \ |_ |_| |\| | .--O--' (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | | _| |_/|\ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz (_) |_) "Why work when you can draw ascii pictures?" ------------------------------ From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 03:54:13 PDT Subject: Seth theory awphili@xs4all.nl writes: > Neil K. Guy wrote: > > > At 8:04 AM on 7/26/95, Richard Holmes wrote: > > > > >Now, forgive my ignorance, but what is this "Seth theory" and where > > >can I find out about it. It seems to say some interesting things! > > > > So-called "Seth" theory is a vaguely new age package of concepts and > > assertions that many people consider a somewhat bizarre cult. It seems that > > the basic claim it makes is that if you believe in something really > > strongly it'll come true. > > Actually, it is a theory based on a very simply explainable true idea. > > The idea is that changing beliefs changes reality. > > Reality is defined as all that is. This is not a fixed concept, since > reality can change, obviously. For example, what you experience is part > of reality. > > Beliefs, because they are, are a part of reality. > > Therefore, changing beliefs changes reality. > > Albert Belief is a state of a mind. A mind contains a model of reality. It is common (if not universal) for a mind to have a model of reality that is only in partial correspondence to reality. While one can say that a mind's model of reality is part of reality, changing one's beliefs is still changing that model. The change can either bring the model into closer correspondence with reality, or out of correspondence with reality. Saying that "changing beliefs changes reality" is an empty tautology, and ignores the real effect of changing beliefs. Having a model of reality that fails to correspond closely enough to reality is often called "insanity". Unfortunately, I'd have to say that your statement about Seth theory makes me think it is not a tool for changing reality, but a method of self-delusion. ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 23:23:00 +1200 Subject: Re: Seth theory - a request. Hullo everyone. I kinda hate to do this, but could the Seth theory discussion please be moved out of the mailing list and into personal email between the participants? thanks, Philip (hoping that noone gets mad at me for asking this) ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 13:39:39 Subject: A change of signature Hi! I just wanted to let you all know that I have changed my signature. Maybe it was a bit offensive. :) Albert :) - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things Omnipotent Ruler of the | That are not addressed nor listened to Universe (or maybe not) | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 13:25:39 Subject: Re: Seth theory //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA10875 > (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:52:45 +0200 > Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu (greylady.uoregon.edu [128.223.20.20]) by phloem.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA27811; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 03:52:18 -0700 > Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) > id AA22748; Fri, 28 Jul 95 03:54:13 PDT > Message-Id: <9507281054.AA22748@greylady.uoregon.edu> > In-Reply-To: <9507271727.AA0030@xs4all.nl> > X-UIDL: 806930411.000MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 03:54:13 -0700 > From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu > To: awphili@xs4all.nl > Cc: "I'll be Ecto" > Subject: Seth theory > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; charset="US-ASCII"; > boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0010.806952063" > > awphili@xs4all.nl writes: > > Neil K. Guy wrote: > > > > > At 8:04 AM on 7/26/95, Richard Holmes wrote: > > > > > > >Now, forgive my ignorance, but what is this "Seth theory" and where > > > >can I find out about it. It seems to say some interesting things! > > > > > > So-called "Seth" theory is a vaguely new age package of concepts and > > > assertions that many people consider a somewhat bizarre cult. It seems that > > > the basic claim it makes is that if you believe in something really > > > strongly it'll come true. > > > > Actually, it is a theory based on a very simply explainable true idea. > > > > The idea is that changing beliefs changes reality. > > > > Reality is defined as all that is. This is not a fixed concept, since > > reality can change, obviously. For example, what you experience is part > > of reality. > > > > Beliefs, because they are, are a part of reality. > > > > Therefore, changing beliefs changes reality. > > > > Albert > > Belief is a state of a mind. A mind contains a model of reality. > It is common (if not universal) for a mind to have a model of > reality that is only in partial correspondence to reality. > > While one can say that a mind's model of reality is part of > reality, changing one's beliefs is still changing that model. > The change can either bring the model into closer correspondence > with reality, or out of correspondence with reality. Saying that > "changing beliefs changes reality" is an empty tautology, and > ignores the real effect of changing beliefs. > > Having a model of reality that fails to correspond closely enough > to reality is often called "insanity". Unfortunately, I'd have > to say that your statement about Seth theory makes me think it is > not a tool for changing reality, but a method of self-delusion. > - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things United Mooseheads Inc. | That are not addressed nor listened to President | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush Well, of course. I only gave the initial idea. You should read all the books if you want to know it all. Albert :-P ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:00:49 Subject: Re: Seth theory - a request. //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Received: from kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA17141 > (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:35:51 +0200 > Received: from debretts.comp.vuw.ac.nz (debretts.comp.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.8.46]) by kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz (8.6.B/8.6.9-VUW) > with ESMTP id XAA28970; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 23:22:42 +1200 > Received: (ectophil@localhost) by debretts.comp.vuw.ac.nz (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA16084; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 23:23:00 +1200 > Message-Id: <199507281123.XAA16084@debretts.comp.vuw.ac.nz> > X-UIDL: 806931796.000MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 23:23:00 +1200 > From: "Philip Sainty" > To: ecto@ns2.Rutgers.EDU > Cc: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu, > awphili@xs4all.nl > Subject: Re: Seth theory - a request. > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; charset="US-ASCII"; > boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0010.806953447" > > Hullo everyone. > > I kinda hate to do this, but could the Seth theory discussion please > be moved out of the mailing list and into personal email between the > participants? > > thanks, > Philip (hoping that noone gets mad at me for asking this) > > > - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things Omnipotent Ruler of the | That are not addressed nor listened to Universe (or maybe not) | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush I think I can give a generic "me too" response to that also. :) Albert ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:21:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Stuff On 27 Jul 95 at 19:29, Mitchell A. Pravatiner offered: > WRT Peter Shickele (a soundbite and a song from whom I also used on the > same HBP): He also did a western-themed classical album, whose name I > forget; and conducted the orchestra for a Joan Baez album (not tongue in > cheek that time). Hmm... I haven't heard of this as well, but there is (was?) one album where Schickele did a song called "Blauesgras", which had a definite "western" theme. The premise behind the song was that PDQ actually was the first to "invent" Blue Grass music. It's very, very funny, especially instead of saying "Oh Yea" like I've actually heard in some of the Blue Grass type music, he says "Ach Ja" (basically the same thing, just in German). Everytime I see a western music, or hear some really bad country music, I always find myself saying this in time with the music. I also get weird looks for this... Matt - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "I don't know about you, miss kitty, but I'm feeling a whole lot yummier!" Catwoman, _Batman Returns_ - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:49:59 Subject: What's all this then??? //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Received: from freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu (freenet3.afn.org) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA23346 > (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:23:57 +0200 > Received: by freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu (8.6.9/4.11) > id IAA28519; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:23:11 -0400 > In-Reply-To: <9507281514.AA0048@xs4all.nl> > Message-Id: > X-UIDL: 806935620.000MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 08:23:05 -0400 > From: "jeff dreisin" > To: awphili@xs4all.nl > Subject: Re: [SETHWORKS:7232] Re: Caterpillars > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; charset="US-ASCII"; > boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0010.806957272" > > When I've seen them they appear sometimes to be lowering themselves on > these threads and other times they seem to be raising themselves by > consuming it. In either case I don't know what they're doing. i just > assume they're getting ready to pupate. In any event I don't like walking > in to them or driving into them. > Jeff > > On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 awphili@xs4all.nl wrote: > > > jeff dreisin wrote: > > > > > You're sure they weren't dangling there by a silken thread. > > > > They were. > > > > > I've seen > > > this quite a lot where I live and sometimes those threds are very long. > > > They appear to be wriggling back and forth, climbing them. > > > > It looked more like the threads were lighter than air, and they were > > just floating around. > > > > Albert > > > > -- > > Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things > > United Mooseheads Inc. | That are not addressed nor listened to > > President | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush > > > - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things Omnipotent Ruler of the | That are not addressed nor listened to Universe (or maybe not) | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Seth theory - a request. On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Philip Sainty wrote: > Hullo everyone. > > I kinda hate to do this, but could the Seth theory discussion please > be moved out of the mailing list and into personal email between the > participants? My first reaction was "Alright!" because it bores me too, *but* My second (and more important) reaction is to defend the right of Ectophiles to talk about any topic they want to talk about. After all, it's nice that no one has yet popped up with "Could the PDQ Bach discussion please be moved out of the mailing list and into personal email between the participants?" and I thank goodness for it. or "Could the Boiled In Lead discussion please be moved out of the mailing list and into personal email...?" "Could the RAINN discussion please be moved out of the mailing list and into personal...?" "Could the German Language Lessons please be moved...?" "Could the Fall From Grace discussions...?" "Could the CD Shopping in New Jersey...?" Yadda Yadda Yadda... In other words...anything goes as far as topics are concerned. You know as well as anyone that it's in the charter and the FAQ. It's up to *you* to skip what doesn't interest you. You know that. Don't make me have to come to New Zealand to bop you upside the head, Fili. :-) I might understand where you're coming from...maybe. Any talk of anything that smacks (to me) of a mind-fuck mind-control cult-like "philosophy" gives me a high-grade case of the creeps. That's why I very quickly skip past anything of the sort (yes, including Seth and references to Ayn Rand). Being an Ectophile is the only kind of "cult" I'm interested in. :-) > thanks, > Philip (hoping that noone gets mad at me for asking this) Not mad, just doing my once-or-twice-a-year topics-defending post. Vickie (feeling better than I have in a long time...amazing!) - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie Mapes ectoMUSH irc/#ecto "My ears are lucky to hear vickie@wwa.com alt.music.ecto these glorious songs" HR _________ "Imagination sets in, then |_ _ | _ The Happy Rhodes mailing list all the voices begin" KB |__|_ ||_| ecto-request@nsmx.rutgers.edu - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Searching for Happy Rhodes reviews, articles, interviews, mentions - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #171 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu