From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #167 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 26 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 167 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:12:03 -0700 Subject: Tight reaction centers From Damon Harper: > apparently, in the >brains of species more dependent on smell than sight, the lower (or first) >mammals, a major part of the brain is the olfactory bulb, and the big >"reaction" centres of the brain grew around and in conjunction with this, so >that reactions were triggered by smells. as the primates started to adopt >their particular lifestyle, smell became less important and vision became >paramount, so the visual centres of the brain developed enormously to the >detriment of the olfactory. So this olfactory bulb gradually shrunk, >bringing the reaction centres of the brain physically closer together (i >guess the visual centres are located elsewhere) and causing signals to >"cross wires" more and more frequently, not as well controlled by the >olfactory bulb, which used to be central to the process. By "reaction centers", I am guessing you mean regions which subserve emotional responses. These areas, called the limbic system, are not more or less separated in rats (a highly olfactory-driven species) as compared with humans. In fact, another region, the thalamus which is generally considered the "gateway to consciousness" is actually more lateralized (separated) in humans than in rodents. The olfactory bulbs in humans are proportionately much smaller in the human brain compared with the rat brain. They are also situated somewhat apart from the brain mass and so their "shrinkage" would not make anything physically closer. >Anyway, this >supposedly is responsible for the weird linkings of logically opposing >emotions, such as sexuality and violence, in the higher primates, especially >humanity. Nope. Doesn't compute. Personally, if I were to look for a physical basis for such behavior, I would go with hormones. But then, I've always believed God is hormones. (Or was it God is love? -- Or love is hormones??? [Too much coffee--potentiates the effect of normal levels of adrenaline]) - --Jerene, ecto-neuroscientist and brain lover ------------------------------ From: chris@neuron.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:11:12 -0400 Subject: Re: replying in the rain >>> It's an expression meaning loss of innocence, a falling lower in esteem, >>> that sort of thing. >> >>See... that's why it does not make sense. It is self-contradictory. >>Innocence is about lack of knowledge. Esteem about gaining knowledge. I believe that the term "grace" here, refers to the religious meaning often associated with it... i.e., the state of existence characterized by perfection, peace, oneness etc. *I* generally interpret it to be somewhat of a metaphor for what supposedly happend to Lucifer. Most of my "problems" with Christianity center around what I perceive to be a perversion of the understanding of that word... That is, "grace" involves oneness and perfections and therefore can NOT be summed up in the word "innocence" (if innocence is to mean naivete). I suspect this perversion arose from the political, rather than the spiritual, ambitions of the church. (Rant mode off). chris@neuron.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson)|http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~whusfm "So here are the questions: Is time long or is it wide? And the answers? Sometimes the answers just come in the mail." ------------------------------ From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:05:22 -0500 Subject: A boring rant from Squid's equally boring life... I found out last night that the person who was supposed to go with me to the Sarah McLachlan/Chieftains concert tomorrow night isn't going to be able to go. Argh. And people yell at me for doing things at the last minute. Worse still, she had several weeks to actually do the investigation (namely, ask the professor) to find out if her class that night was missable. You know, perhaps find out important stuff while I still had a snowball's chance in hell of finding someone else to take? Worse still, she's the second person to do this to me, over this very concert. The person I was originally slated to take, hadn't even bothered to contact me; I called her the night before the tickets went on sale to make sure, and she said no. Later, she wrote, and told me a different reason altogether for not being able to go. I'm starting to think "frustrate Squid at the last minute" is a popular pastime among women in Indiana. It gets downright annoying after awhile; I'm used to it now. I don't have to like it, but I'm used to this treatment. And I have to vent it somewhere. Is it my fault personally that I'm getting this? Is it something in my personality that only appeals to those women who enjoy torturing me like this? If everyone in the world goes through this all the time (and I know they do) why do people still do it? (If I'd given her such short notice, she'd have never let me hear the end of it.) So now with all but one hour of my day today accounted for by work, and with fewer than twenty-four hours to find a replacement (and no friends from whom to find possibilities, and no idea where I'm going to make new friends on a Wednesday morning)... now all I need is for a network to crash here in the lab, and I'll likely crash with it. I'm not designed to handle stress like this, regarding life-important events (and who knows me, knows a Sarah concert is a life-important event). Sorry. Just had to vent it somewhere. I know I won't receive anything remotely resembling advice until it's too late, after which time I'll have resorted to either going alone or taking a stranger or someone who's not a Sarah fan at all (and I know a lot of such people). None of my friends are Sarah fans, except the two or three who're unavailable. Thanks for enduring my rant. BTW, anyone in the southern half in Indiana need one Sarah ticket and don't mind sitting next to an invertebrate? | http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | |John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu I wanna go to a real school someday! | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! |in the making. Finger me &| |"Enrich the soil, no soul no soul" Sarah McLachlan| tell me that you love me.| ------------------------------ From: "Jessica Koeppel" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:51:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Alanis Morissette? hiya - I heard the ALanis Morissette single a coupel of weeks ago (you may be hearing a second single now.. the song I heard on the radio was "You Oughtta Know". (A tleast I tihnk that's the title, CD booklet is at home right now)). I liked the sound of it but was a bit uncertain what a whole album might be like. My friend Sarah however, bought it and said the whole thing was great, so I got it, and I too like pretty much the whole thing. This girl is from Canada, she's been writing songs since she was 9 she says. (saw her on MTV the other day - the video for you oughtta know doesn't really thrill me). She seems pretty OK, herself. Didn't get to see too much of the interview. She does some neat stuff with her voice on the album, she's capable of sounding a lot like Tori, or a bit like several other people, it's remarkable how many people of my favoriute vocalists she can remind me of, and she's still got a voice and stlye all her own that's ever present. I'd recommend the album. It might not make it onto a top-10 favorites of the year list, (I'll see what I tihnk after another 100 listens:) but it's quite good in many ways. jessica ------------------------------ From: doylem@iia.org (Michael Doyle) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:38:21 -0400 Subject: Re: crunchy! woj said: >i went record shopping yesterday. wheeee! woj, where shoppest thou? I, too, am from NJ (ever listen to John Gorka?) and I am tiring of CD World's crappy selection (used selection _is_ getting better, though). (If I am asking for classified data, well, I understand.) - - Mike Michael Doyle doylem@iia.org ========================================================================== "You can make a conspiracy out of anything, if you work hard enough at it." - - Michael J. Arbouet ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:50:55 -0400 Subject: AG aol name game On Mon, 24 Jul 1995 Robert Lovejoy said: >Folks, > There appears to be a change in the name for AG's net access. Send >email to Kevin & crew at auralgrati@aol.com - no confusing spaces! > >RL > Who posted this nonsense? I spoke with Kevin today and seeing how AURAL G works when properly compressed into auralg, they will stay with that address. Remember to use the space if you attempt to make contact from within AOL. Thank you. Robert the infobot ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:57:45 -0400 Subject: No net presence AG Hi all, In talking with Kevin today, he informed me that he has decided not to subscribe to ecto. He felt his presence on the list might alter the freedom we feel to express ourselves. He will, however, post here now and then with news about AG. In other news, more light shed on Hap's CD projects. The first thing we can expect is an "enhanced" CD from her, much like Sarah's Freedom Sessions technically, with a multimedia track as well as music cuts. This will not be the upcoming October album. She is also working on a "Myst" type of game, in which she is doing the art and story. The actual computing end of it is being handled by others (sorry, I forgot who). And that's the news from the home office in Bearsville, NY. Infobot the Robert ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: infobautics anonymous Hi! It's hot here again. Maybe I'll go to Australia. :) Matt wondered: >Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too >great. Not in a long time, but I should explore it more now. I remember in high school I was a co-conspirator in a couple of performances (both instrumental and choral) of a couple of his works, but to be honest I don't recall which ones. I just remember the audience of assorted parents etc. being quite confused, and our music teacher being quite pleased with himself. He's got a strange sense of humor anyway. :) Xenophanes exhorted wrt Ivy: >They were outstanding. A french female lead singer >(who's not only a wonderful Lush-like singer, but also a hotty), "hotty"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Albert postulated: >I think it is best not to think about grace at all, and just assume >everyone is full of it.... *grin* You've got that one right. :) >Even though I heartily agree with the general sentiments expressed in >this message, there is one point I find extremely offensive. > >That is the use of the term "sexual violence". Oh, no. Jessica (who was within spitting distance of woj-n-meth's world o'muzak a few short weeks ago and DIDN'T EVEN CALL) noted: >I noticed the very very large Barnse&Noble, complete with music shop >and cafe. He told me there were _three_, yes _three_ very very large >barnes&noble's on rt 17, all within a mile of each other. Yeeep. Maybe they're divided out by zip code? You know, if you live in this set of suburbs you go to this one, if you live in the next town over you go to that one, and so on? Or are the regulars supposed to rotate? "If it's Thursday, it must be the one across the road." In Farmington, CT they have a B&N Superstore directly across the street from a Borders Superstore. We wondered if they occasionally fire cannon at each other. >And now for the mucial content of this message: Back when I lived >in NJ, I heard on WXPN (the philly station that promoted Happy quite >abit) a song by Suddenly, Tammy! which really cought my ear. :) Yay! Thou hast seen the light!!! Bob Brown reported: >Had some fun talking with the band members on Saturday and Katryna Nields >told me all about the fun they just had at the Winnipeg Folk Festival. In >Winnipeg they were featured in a workshop with Ani DiFranco.... Katryna made >some interesting facial expressions while explaining her nervousness about >being in the workshop with Ani. However, she said it turned out >great....I'm only sorry I didn't get to see it. :) Argh! The Nields *and* Ani?!? That would be too cool for words. >The Falcon Ridge Folk Festival was an absolutely wonderful experience. The >setting in Hillsdale, NY was beautiful and the crowd of (my guess - 7-8,000) >folks attending were a cohesive, friendly group bonded by a love of music by >some of the best singer/songwriters of our time. Argh again. I *am* going to this next year. I'm going to mark it on my calendar NOW, so I don't go an plan other things that weekend for the third year in a row. And that's a solemn vow. So there. And even though I know it's too late for Squid: why can't you just bring the extra ticket and sell it at the gate? Natalie Merchant (and Katell Keineg :) on Letterman tonight! Don't forget!!! +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"We now return you to your regular time. Please take all of your belong- | | ings in order to avoid a paradox." -- Uncle Bob | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 23:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: KATEMAS IN NEW JERSEY -- FINAL ANNOUNCEMENT Hi! Okay guys, this is the Official Announcement, LAST CHANCE EDITION!!! KATEMAS IN NEW JERSEY! --------- | / Where: woj-n-meth's world o'muzak, Boonton, New Jersey |/ When: Saturday, July 29, 1995, 1 PM til it's over |\ Why: That should be obvious :> | \ There will be tons of music, videos (including some suprises :), and good company. There will also be tons of good food and drink (provided those who are coming pitch in). Got any interesting KaTe paraphernalia to show off? Been dying to test that new recipe for fuzzy blue drinks on some unwitting victims? Got a portable grill lying around the house waiting for a chance to be used? E-mail woj-n-meth with the details of what you can contribute, and we'll let you know what we need. Please send e-mail to meth@delphi.com and/or woj@remus.rutgers.edu BY THURS- DAY, JULY 27 to let us know if you're coming and what you're bringing. We'll send you directions. Boonton is located in north-central New Jersey, about 10 miles north of Morristown on I-287. It is easily accessible by public transportation -- we'll send details as needed. And, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO NEW YORK!!! :) Crash space is available, but *very* limited. Reserve early if you're coming from afar! NOTE #1: We are owned by one cat. This may matter to some people, but I hope not! NOTE #2: When you RSVP, please let us know whether you'd be interested in adjourning to Hoboken to see Boiled In Lead at Maxwell's (much) later on in the evening. Majority will rule, but be warned that woj and meth have already registered two resounding "yes!" votes. :) Don't let another KaTemas pass you by -- celebrate with the pros! :) ONLY TWO DAYS LEFT TO RSVP!!! ACT NOW -- THIS OFFER WILL NOT LAST FOREVER!!! See you there... +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"We now return you to your regular time. Please take all of your belong- | | ings in order to avoid a paradox." -- Uncle Bob | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: kiri@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu (kiri hargie) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 23:11:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Alanis Morissette? >>Last night I heard for the first time a song on radio by someone named >>Alanis Morissette (think that's right; I looked it up in the CDnow >>Web pages). > >Yeah, that would be it. ;) Alanis Morissette: recently promoteed to goddess >of music. >:) > >>Her voice sounded sort of like Sam Phillips with attitude, >>and I loved it. Hmm she doesn't sound anything like Sam Phillips to me. BUT, she does sound EXACTLY like Christine Amphlette(SP?) of the Divinyls IMHO. In fact the first time I heard the song I thought it was the Divinyls, or at least Christine gone solo. Oh well. I think the single is great, I don't have the moola to buy the cd now. :) kIrI Kirstin A. Hargie Bitnet: byhargie@umsvm Dept. of Biology Internet: kiri@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu University, MS 38677 WWW: http://www.olemiss.edu/~kiri ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 23:25:18 +0000 Subject: Re: replying in the rain On 25 Jul 95 at 18:10, awphili@xs4all.nl wrote: > THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > > > >Weird. Fall from grace does not make sense to me at all. :-P > > > > It's an expression meaning loss of innocence, a falling lower in esteem, > > that sort of thing. > > See... that's why it does not make sense. It is self-contradictory. > Innocence is about lack of knowledge. Esteem about gaining knowledge. What? This must be some ..er... non-standard use of the string "knowledge". Unless, of course, you're mistakenly equating "innocence" with "ignorance" and "esteem" with... I don't know, toothpaste or something. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:45:16 +0200 Subject: Hazel O'Connor? Hi all, In my quest for information about Dublin, somebody informed me that Hazel O'Connor ("and friends") will perform one of the nights that we're there. Now I remember Hazel from the early 80's, when she had a minor hit over here with the stunningly beautiful ballad "Will You", but I didn't really like the rest of that album (movie soundtrack?) "Breaking Glass", which was rather punk-ish. But I haven't heard anything of / about her eversince that, and that was way back in 1981. Does anybody know what she's up to at the moment? What has she done in the meantime? What sort of music does she play nowadays? Would it be worthwhile to go see her in concert? Who are her "friends"? Any information about her? Thanks! (P.S. I'll leave for Ireland this Friday morning and won't read my mail after Thursday afternoon - sorry for the late notice!) Unfortunately I'll miss out on Eleanor McEvoy, who is performing on Thursday night - and I'll only arrive in Dublin on Friday... :-( Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "Leave the shadows dancing..." (OP) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: tabby ever after Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:49:58 +1200 (NZST) Subject: Swedish area ectophiles alert! Hi all! I have a request from a friend of mine who is unconnected to the 'net at the moment. He's looking for a CD that is apparently unavailable everywhere except Sweden. It's called _Pearls of Passion_, and it's Roxette's first album. He has it on tape, loves it, and wants to upgrade to a CD copy. If you want, a CD swap could be arranged. Can anyone help? Replies to me at stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz if you can. :) Urs :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail any answers to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 13:01:46 Subject: Re: replying in the rain Joseph Zitt wrote: > On 25 Jul 95 at 18:10, awphili@xs4all.nl wrote: > > > THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > > > > > >Weird. Fall from grace does not make sense to me at all. :-P > > > > > > It's an expression meaning loss of innocence, a falling lower in esteem, > > > that sort of thing. > > > > See... that's why it does not make sense. It is self-contradictory. > > Innocence is about lack of knowledge. Esteem about gaining knowledge. > > What? This must be some ..er... non-standard use of the string > "knowledge". Unless, of course, you're mistakenly equating > "innocence" with "ignorance" and "esteem" with... I don't know, > toothpaste or something. Interesting observation. There are at least two kinds of knowledge: knowledge of and knowledge about. You can have knowledge about knowledge, for example you can know that something someone else knows is now really true. For example, I know that thinking about grace does not lead to any improvement in overall happiness of people. Everybody is already in a natural state of grace, only most forgot this. This is elementary Seth theory. I think this may be the "toothpaste" you were thinking of, to brush away all the nonsense people have been told. But it is not really toothpaste, because gaining knowledge about knowledge does not imply forgetting. You must be absolutely sure that it is harmless to forget something before you can forget it. Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Now as I go into battle, I am armed for United Mooseheads Inc. | the fight. With the knowledge of ten men President | strength of nine." -- Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 9:06:38 EDT Subject: PJ Harvey order Which came first _Rid of Me_ or _Dry_? And, if you can answer that one, the chicken or the egg? Enough! brad - -- There is nothing in life except what one thinks of it. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: Tom Pinkl Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: looking for something > > > Hi everyone - there's something I've been looking for for a while > > It's the David Sylvian/Robert Fripp live album "Damage". > > If anyone know swhere I can find a copy of this, please > let me know! And if you come across it and happen to remember > I'm looking, pick it up, I'll happily reimburse you and > buy you dinner too. :) > > --jessica Me too! And I'll throw in a bottle of RED wine (bad King Crimson pun intended). Also looking for "Sides" and "Private Parts and Pieces I" on CD by Anthony Phillips. - -- Thomas J. Pinkl (tom@hbsrx.com) Unix Systems Programmer Health Business Systems, Inc. 1300 Industrial Hwy. Southampton, Pa 18966 215-364-4308 ext. 3034 ------------------------------ From: Michael Stevens Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ourobouros and Re: infobautics anonymous Happy midweek to fellow Midgarders... Does anyone in ectoland know anything about a group from the late 70s or early 80s, called Ourobouros? Last night I dug up a tape that a friend had dubbed for me long ago, so that I could listen to "Sing It to Your Children" again. "Did you ever try to run / From the problems of a gun When the cold barrel looked you in the eye? And the bleak and the cold / Just chill you to the bone But the full moon tells you it's a lie?" And the refrain goes something like "Sometimes I feel naked like a fox out on the run You know that feeling sorry for ourselves, that's not so fun So try and try again, we haven't even yet begun!" Not precisely ectofodder, but I'm hoping someone knows more. At any rate: The VIGILANTE loafed: > > Jessica (who was within spitting distance of woj-n-meth's world o'muzak > a few short weeks ago and DIDN'T EVEN CALL) noted: > > >I noticed the very very large Barnse&Noble, complete with music shop > >and cafe. He told me there were _three_, yes _three_ very very large > >barnes&noble's on rt 17, all within a mile of each other. > > Yeeep. Maybe they're divided out by zip code? You know, if you live in this > set of suburbs you go to this one, if you live in the next town over you go > to that one, and so on? Or are the regulars supposed to rotate? "If it's > Thursday, it must be the one across the road." > Or by informal editorial policy. A long-ago SO of mine worked at that big chain that starts with a W. Now and again, she'd run across something like, say, "Beautiful You: God's Plan for Your Makeup," and she'd say, "Oopsie!" as it hit the bottom of the pulls bin. :-) (This book actually exists, by the way. I can provide more info if anyone cares.) > In Farmington, CT they have a B&N Superstore directly across the street from > a Borders Superstore. We wondered if they occasionally fire cannon at each > other. Given my pagan leanings, I'd encourage them to fire canon instead. Be seeing you. - --Michael ................................................................ "Ma-blu-ectric (ma-blu-ectric!) Ma-blu-ectric (ma-blu-ectric!)" Michael Stevens mjs@biostat.mc.duke.edu \ --Cocteau Twins ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #167 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu