From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #166 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 25 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 166 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 15:50:04 Subject: Re: Ecto top-40 Jessica Skolnik wrote: > So much to talk about, so little space in this message. :) Hahaha... :) That's a good one! > Re: the top-40 list itself - I think the backing idea behind the list in > the first place was the sharing of music (as above), so why not do away > with the rankings and just have people submit titles (and maybe a short > description of the music - restrict it to one line, something like that) > of music they've heard and appreciated and wish to share - new purchases > or old, doesn't matter.. ? I'll volunteer to collect and post the > submissions, if you fuzzyfolk think that's a good idea.. Personally, I like longer descriptions. A short description of the music itself is fine (for a complete description I just look at the bitstream on the CD :), but I also like to hear about how people feel about the music. That makes it easier for me to decide how much I would like it. Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Now as I go into battle, I am armed for United Mooseheads Inc. | the fight. With the knowledge of ten men President | strength of nine." -- Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:59:20 -0400 Subject: crunchy! hey ectoids, i went record shopping yesterday. wheeee! first, i was totally surprised to find that the roy harper releases on science friction were available in the states as imports for domestic prices. dunno how many harper fans are here, but there might be a few courtesy of the tir-for-tat that he and KaTe bush have played on each other's albums. some of these albums are available for the first time on disc and the ones that were have bonus tracks. yay! second, after reading anthony's (horan) post about sybil vane, i picked up a cut out of their debut for $2. wow! crunchy! and tasty too! to put it in comparison terms, think what might happen if tribe, rose chronicles and t'pau (!) were all mishmashed together and then put through a food processor. vocalist april devereaux sings with a theatrically intense character and the rest of the band just shreds through the songs. except for a couple interludes of guitar wanking, this is a surprisingly involving listen. third, the second album by that dog. (which disdains capitals and proper punctuation) is called _totally crushed out_ and seems hellbent on modern rock crossover hitdom. despite that, i found it pretty enjoyable. the album is a song cycle dealing with teen age love from a girl's perspective. some of the songs are pretty painful, but the emotional intensity is often hidden under the musical intensity of their crunchy rock thang. fourth, a lot of other things i haven't listened to yet so i'll keep my yap shut. woj ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 17:19:27 Subject: Sex Damon Harper wrote: > hmmm... albert's objection to the term "sexual violence" reminds me of a > theory my arts one teacher mentioned once in first year. the idea is that > human "sexual violence" is partly a biological thing. This topic is covered by Seth theory, partially. :) It is important to make a distinction between natural aggression and violence, the latter being a distortion of the former. The growing of trees, me speaking to you, a hug, etc. are all forms of natural aggression, a natural desire for growth and expanding outwards. The interesting thing about sex is that it is destructive, but all that is destroyed are sexual desires, and these can be immediately regenerated. No physical energy is used up for this, since the desires exist in non- physical realities. This continuous destruction and creation is the pleasure. No physical destruction is involved. The natural aggression of making love initiates the process, but the energy created is much more than the energy used. Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Now as I go into battle, I am armed for United Mooseheads Inc. | the fight. With the knowledge of ten men President | strength of nine." -- Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 18:10:36 Subject: Re: replying in the rain THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > >Weird. Fall from grace does not make sense to me at all. :-P > > It's an expression meaning loss of innocence, a falling lower in esteem, > that sort of thing. See... that's why it does not make sense. It is self-contradictory. Innocence is about lack of knowledge. Esteem about gaining knowledge. Hmm... of course, it is possible to do both at the same time, but it is important to lose the wrong knowledge, and gain the right knowledge. It is hard to explain. :) I think it is best not to think about grace at all, and just assume everyone is full of it.... *grin* Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Now as I go into battle, I am armed for United Mooseheads Inc. | the fight. With the knowledge of ten men President | strength of nine." -- Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ From: Ingrid Karklins Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 11:27:34 CDT Subject: PDQ Matt sez: > > Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too > great. > Good old Pretty Darn Quick! I went through a heavy PDQ phase many years ago, when the book first came out. I screamed with laughter too, especially since I was more heavily involved in that classical thing then. Shickele IS brilliant. I think my favorite piece is something like Duet for Bicycle Wheel and Vacuum Cleaner Hose...(working on dim memory here. Sure it's not accurate.) And a much belated comment: Clara Rockmore's theramin album fascinated me too. Thanks to Vicki (?) for the detailed bio & description. Ingrid ------------------------------ From: Brion McIntosh Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 09:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Something out of the ordinary... On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Matt Bittner wrote: > Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too > great. PDQ has another fan here on Ecto! It's great to find out I'm not the only one here who likes him. I got to see Petre Schikele in concert wen he came to Los Angeles a few years ago. It's sad to hear that he won't be giving any PDQ concerts anymore. Now there are only the albums. I recently got a PDQ Bach CD from 1994 entitled: TWO PIANOS ARE BETTER THAN ONE. As usual, it's filled with fun and funny stuff. My two favborites can be found on a "Best Of" compilation: IPHIGENIA IN BRROKLYN, and The Oratorio, THE SEASONINGS (S. 1/4tsp.) Thanks for mentioning him, Matt. Any other fans out there? Brion ------------------------------ From: Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Concerts -n- stuff (LONG) Greetings, Ecto. They've actually been making work at work (really), and as of yesterday, I was about 40 digests behind. Additionally, this past week has been a great one, musically, and I realized how much I'd probably missed in ecto. I finally decided that this was a situation up with which I could no longer put, and I shamefully admit that I wasted some paper and printed them for bedtime reading. I hope that my crime is somewhat alleviated by the fact that I printed the digests 8-up, which results in eye-achingly tiny print -- the price of ignoring ecto.) However, I was up until 2am catching up, but the luxury of a massive dose of ecto in a comfy chair with cats en lap more than makes up for the annoyance of microprint. Unfortunately, another impetus for a mass reading derived from the fact that ecto-digests consumed nearly a quarter of my disk space, causing me quota collisions. I needed to clear out the backlog, but in my haste, I didn't wait until after I'd read the digests to consign them to the bit bucket, and the multitudinous responses I'd like to make would require either (a) a lotta retyping, for a true klaus, or (b) some carefully chosen context. I've opted for the latter, where necessary. Here's the outline: * Sarah McLachlan and the Chieftains * Boiled in Lead * PDQ Bach (uh, oh. No Happy content. I'll see what I can do about that.) On the concert front, as a manifestation of serendipity (or of my willingness to provide temporary housing for just about any critter my friends need to board), I got to see Sarah M. and the Chieftains here in Pittsburgh on 20 July, from second-row seats (!! as good as first, too, since there were no seats in front of us). I don't have much to add to the previous reports -- I had a great time, all the sweeter for having written off all chance of going. The flow of the concert doesn't seem to have varied much from what others have reported, so I won't go through it again. Members of the Chieftains joined her, and she performed "The Foggy, Foggy Dew" quite beautifully with them. (Unfortunately, my critter-boarding friend and I had been discussing Black 47 during the set break, so I kept hearing "Living in America" in the background.) I thoroughly enjoyed the Chieftains special guests. Carlos Nunez, the Galician piper, was a special treat for my friend, who's father is from that region of Spain. Ashley McIssac, the Cape Breton fiddler, demonstrated more coordination and energy than anyone should have -- fiddling furiously while dancing with the same zeal (perhaps not refinement) of the step dancers who came tearing out occasionally. At one point, he tangled his feet on something, tripped and fell, and came right back up, still fiddling and dancing. A highly recommended show. (Can't say the same for the venue, the Star Lake Amphitheatre. Bleah.) I also got a chance to do some pre-concert proselytizing. A couple of folks at work posted notes that they were going to this concert but had never heard of Sarah, so would some kind soul be willing to lend any of her work. So my four Sarah CDs circulated before the show and even provided pre-concert tail-gate-party music. Not at all to my surprise, her work captivated all who listened. Yay. (I'll have to try slipping them some Happy.... Hah! HTR content achieved, nominally.) Then, for Saturday, 22 July, I dragged a co-worker off to see another band I'm glad to see getting some ecto-press, Boiled in Lead. They did a house party here, the second I've attended, and these concerts shore up my belief that the price of the ticket should be inversely proportional to the size of the venue. We paid $7 each to see BiL and brought some beer for the beer exchange. For this, we got (1) a truly intimate (30-45 people) concert, (2) to hang with the band, and (3) a wide assortment of good beer. No parking costs. No TicketBastard. What more could you want? The Sarah/Chieftains tickets cost upwards of $35 each -- I'm not saying it wasn't worth it - -- but it was sterile in comparison to BiL. Anyway, I second Laurel Krahn's recommendation to check them out. I've been a fan for a long time, and they are a blast. "Rah, rah, Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen!" "Bad hair! Bad hair!" My adventurous co-worker had a great time, even though the little she'd heard so far hadn't really bowled her over. Thank for people willing to go hear music they don't know. She and I went off to a concert entitled "An Evening of Dark Ethereal Music" -- neither of us had heard of any of the bands (Siddal, Where I Wake Warm, Underflowers) -- and all of our co-workers thought we were insane.) From: "Matt Bittner" > Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too > great. [...] Well, well. I'm a long-time fan of the inestimable Mr. Bach. Every Yule, I drag out my increasingly creaky vinyl recording of _Good King Kong Looked Out_, _Throw the Yule Log On(,) Uncle John_ and _O, Little Town of Hackensack_ for the listening mispleasure of all within earshot. (Gotta replace them, soon.) My housemate and I sometimes cannot restrain ourselves and launch into a rendition of _Iphigenia in Brooklyn_ or _Lord Have Mercy on my Solo_ (or whatever it's called). I've even experienced Mr. Bach and his entourage in concert. Don't miss 'em if they ever tour again. > Went into the Music books section (as opposed to the Music music > section, since they sell CD's and such), and found _The Definitive > Biography of P.D.Q. Bach_, written by Schickele. > I hadn't gotten through the Preface before busting a gut! [...] I've been looking for a copy of this for ages. I first encountered it in high school, where our band director was also a fan. I love the illustrations, especially the sheet music. > I'll admit, a lot of the humor requires an understanding of music, > sometimes technically. Unusual chord changes, bizarre time changes, > etc. all make you think of "gads, that works, but it's not supposed > to". Peter Schickele has also done a radio show, "The Schickele Mix," that would probably appeal to you. The usual format involves the exploration of some theme, technique, instrument or whatever, and trace its use through every type of music you can imagine, with adept juxtapositions of things that you'd never expect to have anything in common. If you appreciate the musicianship of PDQ Bach, you'd like this. It's great at demonstrating why the stuff that shouldn't work often does (and vice versa). Each show provides a thoroughly enjoyable lesson in musical history and theory. Unfortunately, I don't know the current status of the show. I haven't heard it recently, but it used to be on at 8pm on Saturday evenings on our local classical public radio station, WQED. BTW, speaking of musical history and theory, has any out there in ecto read _Measure by Measure: A Musical History of Science_, by Peter Levenson? I think I've gotten the title and author right, but I just picked it up yesterday on impulse, along with Andrew Chaikin's _A Man on the Moon_ and Dan Simmon's _Fires of Eden_, when I just went in to pick up a paperback, so if anyone's still with me after that circuitous preamble, I may have munged the finer points. OK. I'd better get back to work. (Actually, I'd better commence, since I've managed to avoid working thus far.) Cheers, and -- if you've read this far -- thanks. - -- Kate - ---------------------------------- Don't fork around; use pthread_create! "Life will be happier for the on-line individual because the people with whom one interacts most strongly will be selected more by commonality of interests and goals than by accidents of proximity." -- J.C.R. Licklider, 1968 "I'm a scary girl, with a scary mind." -- Happy Rhodes - ------------- http://www.transarc.com/~tabasko/Home.html --------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:14:38 CDT Subject: Re: PDQ On 25 Jul 95 at 11:27, Ingrid Karklins wrote: > > Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too > > great. > > > Good old Pretty Darn Quick! I went through a heavy PDQ phase many > years ago, when the book first came out. I screamed with laughter > too, especially since I was more heavily involved in that classical > thing then. > > Shickele IS brilliant. > > I think my favorite piece is something like Duet for Bicycle Wheel > and Vacuum Cleaner Hose...(working on dim memory here. Sure it's not > accurate.) Hee. I'm rolling. I haven't heard this one yet, but it sounds like PDQ! You know how he has "catalog" numbers associated with each piece of work? My favorite is "The Art of the Ground Round (S.$1.19/lb)". I first heard TAotGR on _The Intimate PDQ Bach_, and remember (since this is, essentially, a live recording) hearing first the few giggles, and then the more often "Aaww" when people got the pun. I think I'll have to take Sarah M. out and put in _Oedipus Tex_. Excuse me while I go laugh... Matt Bittner | "The secret of meba@cso.com | life is enjoying the Omaha, Nebraska | passage of time." ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:19:27 CDT Subject: Oh, one more thing... In reference - I think - to the inane debates taking place at the time about parental notifications on recordings, Schickele put on _Oedipus Tex_: WARNINIG! ------------- contains "Classical Rap" -------------- PATHETIC -------------- ADVISORY -------------- INANE LYRICS I hope the visual comes out ok. Gawd, there isn't anything more funny! Matt Bittner | "The secret of meba@cso.com | life is enjoying the Omaha, Nebraska | passage of time." ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:28:01 -0700 Subject: Alanis Morissette? Last night I heard for the first time a song on radio by someone named Alanis Morissette (think that's right; I looked it up in the CDnow Web pages). Her voice sounded sort of like Sam Phillips with attitude, and I loved it. CDnow lists a current album by her called "Jagged Little Pill", on Warner label, but no track list or other info, or even a date. Anybody know anything about her? - -- Michael mcb@postmodern.com Business: http://www.postmodern.com/ Pleasure: http://remarque.berkeley.edu/~mcb/ ------------------------------ From: "Jessica Koeppel" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:15:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Something out of the ordinary... Matt wrote: > Went to the new - and only - Barnes and Noble, here in Omaha I was home in NJ for July 4th. (I live in CA now), and happened to go to Paramus with my Dad to get some hardware for the boat from one of the stores on Rt 17. I noticed the very very large Barnse&Noble, complete with music shop and cafe. He told me there were _three_, yes _three_ very very large barnes&noble's on rt 17, all within a mile of each other. I found it hard to beelvie but sure enough it was true. There must be some huge B&N magnet in Paramus, NJ. it's weird. It may be a metroplitan suburb market but i still find it hard to believe the market supports _three_ of the identical store in one place. And now for the mucial content of this message: Back when I lived in NJ, I heard on WXPN (the philly station that promoted Happy quite abit) a song by Suddenly, Tammy! which really cought my ear. I never heard anything more about them 'til recently out here I spotted an album which appeared to be new in the store. I bought it, but sure enough it was new and didn't have the song I'd originally heard on the radio. I had the record store order me the previous album, which I now have. I haven't really listnede to the first album enough to say definiteivly that I don't like it much, but I love the more recent album so much that I never put the first on one when I've got the choice. They've probably already been talked about here and I missed it. :) But even if it has been, here's another vote for it being a good one. --jessica ------------------------------ From: Nyteshde@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:15:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Alanis Morissette? In a message dated 95-07-25 15:09:28 EDT, mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes: >Last night I heard for the first time a song on radio by someone named >Alanis Morissette (think that's right; I looked it up in the CDnow >Web pages). Yeah, that would be it. ;) Alanis Morissette: recently promoteed to goddess of music. >:) >Her voice sounded sort of like Sam Phillips with attitude, >and I loved it. Does Alanis sound like Sam Philips? Because if so, I've got to run out and buy Sam Philips stuff right now. :) >CDnow lists a current album by her called "Jagged >Little Pill", on Warner label, but no track list or other info, or >even a date. >Anybody know anything about her? Okay, you must've missed the Alanis threads from a few weeks back... Alanis' album is already out. Yeah, it's Jagged Little Pill, and it's *great*, objectively speaking. >:) Her voice is just lovely, and she sings with relatively wide variations on tone and what not. It's gotten basically good reviews. Track listing: All I Really Want You Oughtta Know Perfect Hand In My Pocket Right Through You Forgiven You Learn Head Over Feet Mary Jane Ironic Not the Doctor Wake Up Hidden track: Remix of You Oughtta Know followed by an acapella song. It's a great song, and if you like You Oughtta Know (which is her single), you should like it. But no guarantees. ;) Nyx ------------------------------ From: "Jessica Koeppel" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:28:22 -0700 Subject: looking for something Hi everyone - there's something I've been looking for for a while now and haven't found any trace of. I had one record store try to order it for me but they couldn't get it - they didn't really give me any reason either... It's the David Sylvian/Robert Fripp live album "Damage". If anyone know swhere I can find a copy of this, please let me know! And if you come across it and happen to remember I'm looking, pick it up, I'll happily reimburse you and buy you dinner too. :) --jessica ------------------------------ From: bbrown@netaxs.com (Bob Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:49:11 -0400 Subject: Re: replying in the rain Meth sez: >woj and I saw The Nields last Friday night, and they *rocked*. They played >for 45 minutes and only did two songs from _Bob On The Ceiling_ (my two faves, >"Be Nice To Me" and "James") -- the rest were all brand new. I recall not >being impressed by the new songs they performed at the Required Listening >show, but last night those same songs just blew me away. Folks, this band >roolz. And they now have t-shirts for sale! I got one that has the summer >tour dates on the back and "BE NICE TO ME" in huge black letters on a yellow >background on front. Hi Gang - You betcha they roolz! I've seen them 5 times in the last coupla months and it's always a blast. I just came back from the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival (more about this later) and the Nields were the opening headlining act on the mainstage Saturday evening. Whew! It was just great. Bein' that it was a "folk" festival their encore was Leadbellys "Goodnight Irene", a cover they do which I hadn't heard yet. Intense it was. Some of my favorite new songs are Alfred Hitchcock, Best Black Dress, and Bulletproof. Had some fun talking with the band members on Saturday and Katryna Nields told me all about the fun they just had at the Winnipeg Folk Festival. In Winnipeg they were featured in a workshop with Ani DiFranco.... Katryna made some interesting facial expressions while explaining her nervousness about being in the workshop with Ani. However, she said it turned out great....I'm only sorry I didn't get to see it. :) Later Saturday evening they sat up on the hill with our friends to enjoy an intense set by Ani DiFranco. Whew! This is the 2nd time I've seen this woman in a week (last week in Philly) and I'm wondering how she's been hiding from me all this time. Needless to say I now own every CD and I'm hooked - big time. The Falcon Ridge Folk Festival was an absolutely wonderful experience. The setting in Hillsdale, NY was beautiful and the crowd of (my guess - 7-8,000) folks attending were a cohesive, friendly group bonded by a love of music by some of the best singer/songwriters of our time. Dar Williams, Ani, The Nields, Patty Larkin, John Gorka, Greg Brown, Laura Love Band, the list goes on and on. We camped with John and Janet Senft who I had met via the Nields Web page which John runs. In case your interested in visiting John's page it's at: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/disk$userdata/group/acm/www/nields/nwhomepa.html They're really nice people and if you visit his page tell 'em you saw it mentioned on Ecto. FYI - Falcon Ridge still has their page at - http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/festivals/falcon-ridge.html in case you're interested in what was and it might give you some incentive to attend next year. =================================================== | "Bob, Stay Off The Ceiling!" - Katryna Nields | =================================================== ------------------------------ From: elionwyr@onix.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:47:58 +0500 Subject: concerts What a great few days it's been for shows in Philly! The Sarah McLachlan/Chieftains tour is absolutely not to be missed, folks...seriously, seriously wonderful music! My only complaint would be, "Not enough Sarah!"...but then, that's more just me being greedy. :) I would say that it would be wonderful to see her and the fellows do more together, and part of me is hoping for some sort of album to come out of this tour. (For those who've seen the show..who IS the young guest fiddle player? The one who plays so marvelously and has a serious case of happy feet? He's amazing!) So this show was on Friday night. Boiled in Lead hit town Monday night. I know I'm repeating myself..but really amazing stuff. IT was good to finally see them in a fairly proper setting, with a pretty good-sized crowd. (The audience took a while to show up, but by the end of the night the band had a good turn-out.) And as an example of the worth of Ecto...Drew (the bass player) was wearing the Leadheads tour t-shirt that was described in Sunday's digest! (It *is* quite an impressive design.) For those who aren't BiL converts yet...you really need to give them a listen if you get the chance...if only for the drumming and violin-playing. Really really fun stuff. ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:58:04 -0400 Subject: Re: concerts elionwyr@onix.com sez: >The Sarah McLachlan/Chieftains tour is absolutely not to be missed, >(For those who've seen the show..who IS the young guest fiddle player? >The one who plays so marvelously and has a serious case of happy feet? >He's amazing!) ashley macissac is his name. he's a fiddler from cape breton and has a couple albums out that should be available in the maritime folks sections in canadian record stores. dunno about american availability though. i had a chance to see him while i was up in halifax in april and blew it - that was the one night we ended up working way late. argh. woj ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #166 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu