From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #151 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 7 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 151 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 23:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sTuff Hi! First, I just want to mention that I listened to _Equipoise_ for the first time in a long time the other day, and completely rediscovered it. I think it's even better now than it was before. I'm not going to let it sit neglected any longer! Anyway... Jeff noted about music on hold: >Technically, it's not legal unless you pay a fee to one of the music licensing >companies (BMI or ASCAP) since it's considered a public performance. Would that apply in Happy's case, since she's fully independent and not, as far as I know, beholden to either BMI or ASCAP? Even if it did, I think the fee is only $12 a year, isn't it? We didn't pay that much for our music on hold at work, I know this. (If it is possible to put Happy on hold, I'll do it at work in a heartbeat -- every time I change the radio station to some- thing bearable, like NPR, it gets changed back within an hour. :P) Dan Stark informed: >Hey, if I'd known you two were going to be in the neighborhood I would >have invited you to drop by our big radio station motorhome that was set >up on the grounds there. Next time... What radio station? (If you say The Planet, I'm going to have to hurt you. ;) I gather you weren't there? Thanks for the info on the bands! Michael Colford exuded: >Woosh! I'm pretty jealous! What an incredible sounding day for anyone >who loves Canadian music as much as I do! Wow! Yeah, it was pretty cool. :) >I noticed that this question has already been answered for you, but >Universal Honey also have a track on the Joni Mitchell tribute album >from a couple of years ago. That's it!!! _Back To The Garden_, right? Thanks for mentioning that! Anthony Horan noted: >She's very unlucky in that respect; a lot of the time, when a record company >decides not to renew their option on an artist, they write the debt off and >the artist owes them nothing. Well, Sony gave Brenda Kahn $50,000 to open for Jeff Buckley on his South- western US tour at the end of last year, and they're making her pay every cent of it back. Slimy, or what? Apparently they didn't even give her a reason for dropping her either, but I do only have her side of the story... Chip advertised: >{minutes of silence while Valerie gets over her jealousy and Chip silently >tallies the number of hours Valerie slave work at her job while Chip is >enjoying summertime in Europe} Oooh, that's going to be a LARGE number of hours! >Rock in the new Kate year with a Chicago Katemas gathering, courtesy of >Chip and Valerie (the other C&V). Folks, ecto has spawned some scary things, but few so scary as this! +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ | "if the truth isn't funny, what good is it? does reality have a duty to | | amuse us? did *anyone* else ever play Paranoia?" - veronica | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: das freshmaker! Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 23:12:06 -0400 Subject: Re: what to do? SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com sez: >What's a girl to do:?!!! just found out that Bjork, Jill Sobule, and the >Innocence Mission are going to be in Chicago on the same couple days.. so I >could either go see Innocence Mission and Bjo(e)rk, or Jill Sobule and >Innocence Mission or IM twice.... ugh..... i highly recommend *not* missing innocence mission, so that means a choice between jill and bjo"rk. someone else chimed in with a vote for the latter. i'd probably go see the former since bjo"rk doesn't do much for me. of course, the thickness of the wallet/pocketbook/ moneyclip may be the deciding factor in the end.... >and one more thing..... it seems that My Scarlet Life has not yet found >their additional singer/musician.... Preston is still running ads looking >for the ever elusive singer/multi-instrumentalist. however, my scarlet life has pressed a cd. it's called _reliquaries_ and it's available via mail order for $14 plus $2 shipping from preston: my scarlet life 5602 n. ridge, section x chicago, ill 60660 rumor has it that it's a good release. i'm ordering a copy tomorrow. preston also has copies of the last big hat disc, _taqueria del meurte_, still available. only 1000 were pressed, so get 'em while they're still around. woj ------------------------------ From: ItsyBitsyS@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 23:16:57 -0400 Subject: a little tidbit Hello ya'll! Just thought I'd mention a little Happy event that happened a few weeks back. I was grocery shopping in one of the larger natural foods chains when what should come over the loud speakers but Save Our souls (acoustic). Yep, Happy, a shining gem among all that horrible muzak. Of course I was a little disoriented, but also very pleased, infact I bought an extra container of Soy Moo. I asked the clerk what radio station they where playing and she said it was some kind of a music service. I think it was DMX which I think is just a west coast service. Who says Happy doesn't get airplay out here? The moral, never underestimate any musical genre (Didn't someone say they found Happy in the jazz section?), and Happy needs to come play some of the halls out here in CA, OR, and WA (I'm sure I'll get no disagreement from west coast ectophiles!), for heavens sake she's in our GROCERY STORES, doesn't she belong in our clubs? Well I'm all riled up, I'd better go relax to Rhodesongs (which I'd rather hear live, sigh). I'll be dreamin'. Shelly (Itsy Bitsy Spider) ------------------------------ From: ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SHAWN COLVIN in CHICAGO? Does anyone have access to Shawn Colvin's tour schedule ... and, if so, specifically, is this leg of her tour swinging by Chicago? I am going to miss her on Saturday at Meadowbrook (happen to be leaving for Chicago the next day, but I have no companion anyways, so ... ah well). Please reply to me directly at ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu ... I don't read ecto very often, and it mostly exists to outstrip my disk quota most of the time. Arnold Kasemsarn ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu - -- "I fear. I have nothing to give I have so much to lose here in this lonely place ... There's nothing I'd like better than to fall" -- S. McLachlan ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 01:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sTuff TO> Dan Stark informed: TO> TO> >Hey, if I'd known you two were going to be in the neighborhood I TO> >have invited you to drop by our big radio station motorhome that TO> >up on the grounds there. Next time... TO> TO> What radio station? (If you say The Planet, I'm going to have to TO> hurt you. You know when I first joined this list back in late winter, I wrote a note to introduce myself to everyone here, with details about what I do, my tastes, how I came to find this list, etc. I never saw it show up, so I tried a second time with similar results, so I don't know if this stuff was ever actually seen by anyone here. I think the majordomo software didn't like me at first. Anyway, I'm the Production Director of a radio station called HTZ-FM, a fairly heavy current rock station that covers the area from Buffalo to Toronto. I like most of what we play, but my taste in music is very broad and the ecto style is a favorite of mine, which I spend a lot of time listening to away from work. I actually never knew what to call it until I found this list, and I'm very happy to be able to attach a name to it and meet people with similar interests. And this is a great resource for learning about some artists I don't get exposed to through the station. TO> I gather you weren't there? I was actually. HTZ-FM was a major sponsor of the Friendship Festival weekend, presenting all the shows that preceded and followed the one you were at. We have a 30-foot vehicle that was parked on site for the entire weekend. I think Planet was the presenting station for the alternative/ecto day you came for. They're a small station based in Fort Erie, automated about half the time, that plays a mix of mostly light mainstream alternative music. TO> Thanks for the info on the bands! Hey, no problem! Besides being a fan, I have some pretty good resources at my disposal for some of it, so I like to contribute when I can. Dan - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 10:49:46 Subject: Margot Smith Anthony Horan wrote: > She's very unlucky in that respect; a lot of the time, when a record company > decides not to renew their option on an artist, they write the debt off and > the artist owes them nothing. One close-to-my-home example is Margot Smith, > who owed her label almost 250,000 dollars before being dropped and freed from > her debt. Incidentally, for those of you who are wondering: Margot is still > preparing her next album, and there's still a bit of news in the works, which > I still cannot talk about. Trust be, the new stuff's great, the wait will be > worth it. That is good to hear, but why did they lose so much money? _Sleeping with the Lion_ is a truely brilliant album, with lyrics of a meta-physical quality that just ring true to me. Her voice is smooth and silky, and flows naturally with the beautiful musical compositions. Sometimes she uses her voice as an instrument, and produces really interesting sounds. They remind me a bit of the things Peter Gabriel does in songs like "A Different Drum" from _Passion_. There are a few instrumental bits that are just wonderful, like the ending of "Dream". I just can't stop listening to this album. Well, I'm glad we're having discussions about music again. Personally, I find discussions about flaming to be more irritating than flaming itself. (Actually, I enjoy flaming someone once in a while.) Albert ------------------------------ From: HYAMS@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 12:38:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: sTuff meredith, I imagine she is beholden to ASCAP or BMI or CESAC because this would be the only real way she could collect royalties. If she was independant of publishers and royalty collection agencies she could not practically collect any of her earnings. Unless she knew everyone that played her music in clubs, stations and etc,,, and they agreed to give her 6 cents per performance or something like that. also, muzak companies normally license material through BMI or ASCAP in order to produce their muzak carts and such. European licensing works much the same (I'm currently dealing with that with my music, good thing my manager is also an entertainment attorney - though not my lawyer) anyway, the stuff is generally kin-fuse-T-gating - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> | "...I see red/sleek and bare/suits will die collier hyams | /their lives false/I will shave my head/before hyams@alpha.nsula.edu | parting at the ear/I will shave my head..." http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html | international dub corps ___album entitled "wonder where you are" available from CMC @ 1-800-882-4262__ ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Calling Seattle area ectophiles There is going to be an ectophile dinner gathering on Sunday, July 23rd at Cafe Flora's (wonderful vegetarian restaurant in the Madrona area of Seattle) for us all to gather and to meet up with the palindrome man, mjm, on his trip out west. Email me and I'll give you more specific info when I have it about time, etc. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Siberry's Maria A friend who happened on an advance tape of _Maria_ gave it to me (with some prompting from Mike Peskura--thanks, Mike!). I've only had a chance to listen to it once, but wanted to give a quick report. What a time for the siblings list to have lost its home! Anyway, _Maria_. This isn't the Jane Siberry that we know, but it is the Jane Siberry that we love. Does this make sense? She has done a very Jane thing and taken off in an entirely new direction, but of course through it all she is still very herself. Brace yourselves, folks, this is jazz. Not jazz in the jazzy terms of it--probably closer to ECM (Keith Jarrett et al.) meets Holly Cole. The wonderful thing about it is the music shows off her voice so well. The songs are in a wonderful range for her voice and it stands out in a new way. The wonderful but also not so wonderful thing about it is that it's not another _When I Was a Boy_ or another _The Walking_ or another anything. It's completely a different direction. If I hadn't recognized her voice and her style of lyrics, I might have wondered if somehow I'd gotten the wrong tape. The instrumentation is a lot of piano and what I think is muted trumpet, though it could be some other kind of horn, I'm not sure and the tape doesn't give credits. I think this is wonderful stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if some fans aren't interested in following her on this side track. Though she might gain a whole new world of jazz fans. This is truly different, but it's Jane Siberry. I think that like all of her albums it will continue to grow on me until it's essential. It has that feel that compells more listening--but it's certainly not at all what I expected. I'll try to describe it better when I've had a chance to listen some more. Funny point--in the wonderful 20 min song at the end on part of it she sings a couple of lines from "Puff the Magic Dragon". Heh. There are other kinds of echoes in other songs. I'll be interested to find out if she wrote all the songs, or if in my ignorance I'm missing that she's actually singing some jazz standards rather than only referring to them. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 07 Jul 95 14:44:28 EDT Subject: advice sought re: recording rights Dear Ecto, I have a question about recording rights for songs. My a cappella group is in the process of recording a CD. Some of the songs are originals... others are original arrangements of other people's lyrics and/or tunes. We are not planning on marketing this CD beyond selling it at gigs and to friends and family and people on our mailing list. What do we need to do legally to be able to do this without getting in trouble? We have heard all manner of various opinions on this, ranging from "if it's a small scale project the original artist will not ever find out or bother you" to "you better get permission from anyone involved or you could be sued" to "as long as it's not on a major label or being sold in a big store like Tower you won't have any problems." Where does ASCAP and other similar organizations come into this? I have again heard many different things, the most prevalent of which is: "Isn't ASCAP just for monitoring radio play and playing of songs in bars and such?" I.e. if an artist whose song we cover on our CD belongs to ASCAP, do we have to contact anyone or are we in the clear? And finally, let's say we manage to find addresses for artists to write to to ask for their permission. I'm sure some artists get huge volumes of mail -- who's to say that they'll even ever respond, or respond in the next 6 months? Assuming that we go to the trouble of writing to these people or their management, are we bound to wait for a response before we sell the CD? What if there is no response in 3 months and we release the CD and then a year later they say "no, you don't have permission, sorry?" I should mention one other detail, which is that the CD we are producing is of Israeli/Jewish-type music, so we are not talking about covering Beatles tunes or other pop artists, but rather tunes like Yerushalayim shel Zahav by Naomi Shemer, Dodi Li by Debbie Friedman, and Hodu by Safam - -- certainly not household names, even among Jews. If the stuff is this obscure, are we creating problems for ourselves that will never actually happen -- or can you never be too safe with this kind of stuff? Anyone with any experience or advice, I'd *love* to hear it! Thanks in advance. - -mjm (Mike Mendelson) (mjm@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com) ------------------------------ From: "I think you'd better drop it..." Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Comment from Johnette and a question of style... Hi all, Well, it's been quite sometime since I've written to the board. I've been lurking, but busy enough that by the time I think I might post something, it's not very relevant anymore. :) I saw this little excerpt on the Concrete Blonde mailing list. I thought it was kind of interesting. It's taken from an interview that Johnette did with MUSE magazine. > M: I'm happy to hear that you're creating as much music as before. > > JN: Probably even more. My most important goal that I did reach was >actually recording my own music for the next album. There really aren't many >women doing that. Kate Bush did it, but there really aren't that many women >that do their own technical work. When I took that tape into the studio the >other day, I was so scared. We put the music up on the big speakers and it >sounded great. My levels were all right, everything was EQed properly, and I >was so happy I couldn't believe it. No wonder Johnette is so cool. :) Oh, and Meredith, the Tower in Annapolis had the Vowel Movement CD on one of the listening stations. It's a pretty grungy CD, but you might be able to give it a listen at one of the Towers up there. I thought about picking it up, but we picked up some other stuff instead (The Cars first CD (Jenn wanted it :)), Lori Carson's new CD, Loreena McKennitt "The Mask and Mirror" and George Harrison's "33 1/3".) BTW, Johnette's new bad Pretty and Twisted is due to release their album sometime next month. Now I have a question about something that I hope won't cause too many ruffled feathers. :) As some of you may remember, I am not a Tori fan. One of my main reasons for not liking her music is something that seems trivial, but is VERY irritating to me. I really can't stand it when I can hear a singer breathing. With Tori's music it's very noticable and in the two Jewel songs that I've heard it's been noticable too. Does hearing the singer take a deep breath bug anyone else? Are there other little things that turn people off from a persons music? Take care, John ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 14:02:49 CDT Subject: Latest acquisitions... Having taken my lunch to one of the local CD shops, I came away with Sarah McLachlan, _Touch_ and _Solace_ Loreena McKennitt, _the mask and mirror_ I'm currently listening to Loreena, and it's great. After listening to mostly "popular-type" music, it's great getting some of this. Celtic, ethereal, etc. A great disc to listen to when wanting to "calm down", or just mellow out. I've listened to _Touch_, and can say there isn't a thing that Sarah does I don't like. When I was at the CD shop, I was debating on Loreena or Jill Sobule, and actually got to track through both of them. I was not impressed with Jill's stuff, even though I really like "I Kissed A Girl". The rest just seems like, well, fluff. Maybe she's better live. The prior time I went to this same shop, I was debating between Lisa Germano's _geek the girl_, and the latest from Maryn Cadell. I was able to track through both of them as well, and walked away with _geek the girl_. I just didn't like Maryn. It didn't "do" anything for me. I really liked _geek the girl_, and think it's a wonderful "concept" work. However, some of the "visualization" were quite intense for me, especially while listening to "...a psycopath". Yikes! Matt Bittner | "We devour those meba@cso.com | who would subdue Omaha, Nebraska | us." ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 14:28:32 CDT Subject: Trial...ignore Ignore Matt Bittner | "We devour those meba@cso.com | who would subdue Omaha, Nebraska | us." ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Aimee Mann update / Good news to some Brits On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > I'd heard rumors that Reprise Records would be releasing Aimee Mann's "I'm > With Stupid" this coming Tuesday, so I decided to see if I could find out > what's what. Aimee's deal with Reprise lasted all of five days (!) -- no > one there is talking, so don't ask why -- and she's shopping the album > *again*. I think we're in for a long wait, unfortunately. Yup... quite a long while... I spoke with Aimee last night and she said that since Imago still has rights, it's totally up to the president of Imago to decide on which label to sell the record to. Aimee doesn't forsee the album's release in the US until about January. For those of you who still haven't heard, Imago, her label, went bankrupt. Aimee hopes to release the new album in Europe sometime soon, but no definite plans have been made. That's the gist of the situation as it stands... Oh, and the good news to those of you in the UK... Aimee is preparing herself for quite an extensive tour there... Talk to you happy people later! Jason ------------------------------ From: vnozick@tribune.com Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 15:16:27 cst Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Meredith said: >Chip advertised: >>{minutes of silence while Valerie gets over her jealousy and Chip silently >>tallies the number of hours Valerie slave work at her job while Chip is >>enjoying summertime in Europe} >Oooh, that's going to be a LARGE number of hours! from Valerie's direction, but she's probably working and won't see this >anyway. ;> Start ducking, babe. And yes, though I'm at work for 90 percent of my active life, I'm still reading ecto! >>Rock in the new Kate year with a Chicago Katemas gathering, courtesy of >>Chip and Valerie (the other C&V). > >Folks, ecto has spawned some scary things, but few so scary as this! Think it's something in the water? How did you avoid the curse, Ceredith and Voj? For that matter, let's rename everyone on ecto as a C or a V, and then begin matching them up! Vitch, Claus and Vaudia, Vim Cook, Ctuart Myerburg, vjv, and of course the Neiles: Veil, Veile and Veal. Anyvone elce? ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: fleur@iglou.com (Joanna Phillips) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Jann Arden & Joni Mitchell - --r. got me a little promo CD of Jann Arden music--"Could I Be Your Girl" (entire song), plus snippets from "Insensitive", "Wonderdrug", and "Unloved". I really like her sound...but I am not sure what I am hearing on "Could I Be..." Um, there are a lot of religious connotations here. Can anyone enlighten me as to meanings/symbolisms? I guess what I mean is: am I hearing a Canadian Amy Grant? ;D I have also seen mention of a Joni Mitchell tribute album here in ecto. What is the title, how can I find a copy, etc.?? Thanks! - -jo- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joanna M. Phillips | "...And into midnight's tapestry she fades ragged fleur@iglou.com | and wild/Hunting down her ancestry in the costume fleur@genie.geis.com | of a Persian child." -- Joan Baez ------------------------------ From: veronica sawyer Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 15:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "it's getting" more like space unadorned (Kendra Smith) a long-absent "Hello!", my lovely ectofolk, plunging right in... and so it's come to pass that in this swelteringist July i came across Kendra Smith's _Five_Ways_of_Disappearing_ (instant "Hey, is that a 4AD album?" courtesy of Vaughan Oliver et al at v23, can i sue for whiplash?) which had enough ecto-mentions to be on my List... (tastelessness odorlessness intangibility invisibility silence) and in short, i love it. and in long? i wish i knew how to describe it. it's almost like it overwhelms by underwhelming, if that's not too unclear. i mean, the album's not loud or grindycrunchy or screamy or noisy or even pophooky ("Bold Maurader" notwithstanding) but it's still compelling, inducting and entrancing. the music doesn't pound or drown me, and there's no massive attack, yet it's tricky enough to draw me in, make me listen, make me try to "get it". likewise lyrically i'm lost to be found, dying in the wasteland to be born into paradise; standing on nothing, lost in empty space unadorned, the void between what i left behind and all that still i cannot find. i'm brought to a higher brighter place and then left there cold & alonely, on the high steep peak between who i one time was and who i might soon be. i'll go out on a limb (which has often earned me broken bones) and say that Kendra's album reminds me of Jane's _When_I_was_a_Boy_ in that it takes awhile to "get it", both musically and lyrically. not that i'm sure i'll *ever* get it... i think sometimes an artist has something to say that can't be expressed in words-by-the-rules, only in words-around-the-rules (poetry). and if they remain true to that vision and refuse to simplify it down to our everyday level of thought and understanding, then we only "get it" when we come up to a higher level of thought and understanding. and imho the artist has then given us a great gift, by coaxercing us into a higher level of awareness. _Five_Ways..._ does that for me. and oh yeah! - Jane does too. :) can i say verklempt? except that it might not mean what i suppose it does? (com)passion explodes in your nose? times so happy you cry? love so sweet it kills? (no wait, that's Julee Cruise). why try, i can't *write* how this album makes me feel; it brings me 'neath clear blue skies; it shows me forever in your eyes. sorry, it's beyond what i can write. and there is some lyrical simi-style-arity to Mazzy Star, although _Five..._ seems more cerebraetherial, intangible and firey above the colored emotional waterrestriality of _So_Tonight..._. perhaps Kendra gets time and space, while Hope (Sandoval) gets energy and matter? are those fire and air, water and earth respectively? and i hear echoes of Crowley herein, and 2=9, and surely more than that is there, for cleverer souls to find... :) i give this album five out of five butterflies, and twentythree out of seventeen sparkly little balls of light. OWow! that's alot! and i want to say "Hi" to everyone i've missed over the past few weeks, Mitch and Vickie and, geez, well everyone! i'm still here, just quiet... i almost have a life 'cause i've been busy falling in love... i love her and she loves me and yay! it's wonderful. :) :) :) oWowOwoW! so you can take my album review with a grain of diamond and a pinch of fairy dust if you must, but _Five_Ways_of_Disappearing_ really is a wonderful album, and not just 'cause i'm so happy. so there. :) smiles and BIG Hugs, veronica ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #151 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu