From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #137 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, 19 June 1995 Volume 02 : Number 137 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Vaughan Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:42:51 +0100 (WET DST) Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE please please please unnsub me from the list?? I have mailed about it three or four times before, but it keeps coming in and my sys op will end up shooting me!!! thanks bren ------------------------------ From: nkg@helix.net (Neil K.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 04:34:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Tara Who? At 1:43 AM on 6/19/95, Dan Stark wrote: >Just got back from a weekend in Windsor/Detroit, and I heard a somg on >radio station "The River" by an artist named Tara Mc????. Can someone >help me fill in the blank? I was on about my 8th beer on the patio and >didn't mark it down. Anyway, I do know the song was great. My guess would be Tara McLean. New artist on the Nettwerk roster. She's got a song on either Slowbrew or Percolator - the new Nettwerk compilations. Slowbrew I think. - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@helix.net 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:00:52 +0000 Subject: My apologies... Sorry to post this to this list, but since I have no other "real" access to the Internet I was wondering if: There are mailing lists for: Anything Batman related anything Star Wars related anything Tick releated anything Animaniacs (specifically Pinky and the Brain) related. Thanks. Oh yea, has anyone heard of Laura Love? I saw an article about her in the local newspaper, and it turns out she's originally from Omaha. Although I haven't heard anything yet, I was wondering if anybody has, and what they think. Thanks. Matt Bittner meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "Yoddle-yay-hee-NARF!" ------------------------------ From: kcd@bull.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 09:27:42 CDT Subject: Re: Suddenly, Tammy! at Sin-e On Sun, 18 Jun 1995 17:01:31 Michael K Curry informed us: > On Thursday I went to the Suddenly, Tammy! show at Sin-e in NYC, and it > was great! Please pardon me if I start gushing. :) Oooohhh... you may gush all you want Mike and no pardons are necessary! Suddenly, Tammy! is currently at the top of my "must-see" list. It's an understatement to say I'm green with envy! > Suddenly, Tammy! played for about an hour and 15 minutes, and they were > truly awesome. The band was *really* having fun, and the fans were really > into the show. I think you hit on something here that may help explain why I like them so much. They obviously really enjoy what they are doing. When I'm listening to their album _We Get There When We Do_ I just *know* that they would be great in a live performance. Beth's voice is just *so* expressive to me. Now look who's gushing! ;-) It's great that woj, Meredith and you were able to catch the show. > Anyway, if Suddenly, Tammy! comes to your town GO AND SEE THEM! Yep! I sure hope they swing around this way sometime soon. They didn't happen to mention anything about where they might be touring, did they? Oops! Gotta get back to work... Catch you later! Kev ------------------------------ From: "Joseph D. Loda" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:22:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Orders from Aural Gratification How long does it typically take AG to process mail orders? Just anxious to make my Happy collection complete ... Joe jloda@interaccess.com ------------------------------ From: Ingrid Karklins Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 11:12:48 CDT Subject: For Alex Gibbs Hello everyone, Sorry to send this to the entire ecto list. Cliff forwarded a message to me from Alex Gibbs, but in the process removed Alex's email address. Alex, you can reach me at ingrid@libr.stedward.edu Ingrid ------------------------------ From: Mary M Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: chuck's question/danielle howle regarding chuck's question: >From: JC214@aol.com >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:45:02 -0400 >Subject: excitement! > >very exciting news! my band "sans cherubs" will be playing our first major >manhattan gig this week! [...] > > : ) : ) : ) : ) %-) <-smiling band > >mary: is danielle no longer a part of lay quiet awhile? saw them with the >indigos in new haven last year and they were very very good! i think their cd >pales in comparison to their performance- especially danielle (who was very >energetic and emotional live). [...] I can't answer that question. I don't think that's the case. I think she concentrates on her solo stuff but that LQA may just not get together much? I can tell you that Daemon Records might know. Or contact Danielle at the address I posted. Additionally there is an email list you can subscribe to for Simple Machines Records to keep up with her and several other artists -- they just posted a whole catalog + news of upcoming events. I think I may post tour dates for tsunami in a separate post in a minute -- got them from this SimpleMail email list. To subscribe to Simple Machines Records email list, which will keep you up to date on their artists' doings periodically (and that's a lot of artists, folks), write them a nice request to SimpleMach@aol.com, realizing that this is just an email address and not a listserv. You should get on the SimpleMail list at some point after that and then you will (on rare occasions, like say once or twice a month) get a long post from them telling you lots of info... - --mary m ------------------------------ From: mothvox@wsp1.wspice.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:50:04 -0500 Subject: tsunami tour dates [continued from my last post..] So, when I looked at the SimpleMail posting from Simple Machines Records, I learned about the following tour dates for Tsunami and Liquorice: Liquorice Fri, June 23 Washington DC Black Cat w/See Saw & The Raymond Brake Sat, June 24 New York NY Brownie's w/Retsin & Ida Sun, June 25 Boston MA Middle East w/ Curious Ritual, Prickly, Tivoli Tsunami Tuesday, July 11 Washington DC Black Cat w/Edsel, Purple Ivy Shadows Thurs, July 13 Philadelphia PA Nick's all ages afternoon w/Edsel 21+ night w/For Carnations and 16 Deluxe Fri, July 14 New York NY Brownies w/Edsel Sat, July 15 Boston MA Middle East w/Edsel and 16 Deluxe I am too tired of researching to tell you who the hell these people are. I just have the SimpleMail email list to refer to and the Simple Machines Records catalog: p.o. box 10290, arlington, VA 22210-1290. Their catalog costs $3 to subscribe to or you can send a stamp and get one free issue, I think -- as that's how I got mine. There are a lot of bands on this label folks. Maybe woj can enlighten us as to Tsunami and their story. They seem to be in charge of this record company and to have a lot of cd's out -- to be pretty successful. I liked their stuff best on the *Working Holiday* cd, but I can't find my recent Tsunami cd purchase to look at and listen to in this disgusting pigpen I live in covered in papers, books and musical instruments. I refuse to research more! Well, anyway, the danielle howle news interested me as I'd never heard of her before. Even a dummy like me has "heard" of tsunami, tho I'm not up to speed on their history....woj? meth? Now, I guess I'm thru with my Simple Machines info. Now you can get more yourselves just by subscribing to either their email list or their catalog... seeya... - --lisa ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Tara Who? On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 art@cs.sfu.ca wrote: > Dan, > Good question. Possibly Tara MacLean - she has one tune on the Nettwerk > sampler "Slowbrew", but it is called "Let Her Feel The Rain". Maybe she's > recorded some more by now, but the Nettwerk web page doesn't mention it. > She played at the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary party and was quite pleasant. > > Art Yes, that's her. I don't know the name of the song, but it was hypnotic, very good. Thanks to Art, Steve Ito, Neil K. and anyone else I've missed for the info. - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:04:54 +1200 Subject: www usenet searching - dejanews Hi folks My friend Steve, sitting a few terminals away, just wandered across a world wide web service called dejanews, for searching usenet. The URL is: http://www.dejanews.com/ I searched for "happy rhodes" (selecting the 'AND' option, instead of the default 'OR' so that it didn't list everything that had the word "happy" in it :) and got (incredibly quickly, I might add) a list of 392 hits. There were many incidental matches, such as posts from people with the surname Rhodes, or posts from Rhodes University that had the word "happy", and it also found a bunch of Ecto folk's .sig quotes :) There was even a post to rec.music.tori-amos that got picked up okay, even though it actually mentioned "hapoy rhodes", 'cause their .sig quote was from Tori's "Happy Phantom" :) :) There was a review on rec.music.reviews of "Melissa Ferrick, Ani DiFranco, Tracy Bonham, Helium", which got listed due to a mention of Happy in the review of Ani DiFranco... A post on rec.music.misc titled "SF-references-in-music List" includes mentions of Happy for "Wrong Century", "Save Our Souls", and "Look for the Child". (Although they've gotten the meaning of W.C. a little wrong, if I recall the recent discussion of that song correctly.) Unfortunately, it also picked up a huge number of copies of a make money fast spam by some guy called Dave Rhodes... *sigh* Oh well... I've just tried adding "music" to the search terms, and that's narrowed it down quite a lot! (to 36 hits) Anyways, I have to get going now, but I thought I'd mention the service, in case people were interested... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: sra5@psu.edu (Sarah Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:23:30 -0500 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #136 >From: Dan Stark >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:43:27 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Tara Who? > >Hi, > >Just got back from a weekend in Windsor/Detroit, and I heard a somg on >radio station "The River" by an artist named Tara Mc????. Can someone >help me fill in the blank? I was on about my 8th beer on the patio and >didn't mark it down. Anyway, I do know the song was great. > >This is an incredibly good station by the way. They run what's called a >Progressive/AAA format, that sounds different than anything I've heard >before. > It's >really unique and hard to turn off...93.9 if you're cruising through the >area, "Where The Music Matters", great slogan. By the way, you don't necessarily have to be all that close to Detroit to get the River. I frequently drive between Michigan and Pennsylvania, and I can usually get the station as far east as Sandusky, Ohio (about 2 hours out of Detroit). I think it must be the lake that does it. So if you're on the Ohio Turnpike you may want to check it out too. pax, Sarah ------------------------------ From: Sam Warren Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Bjork's new one David Kohler wrote: > So is _Post_ a worthy successor to _Debut_? Sort of. The album isn't > much of an artistic variation from _Debut_. There are fewer dance beats [snip] and then Dirk Kastens added: >I disagree. Post is very different from Debut, IMO. It starts like >Debut but then it turns into a different direction. It's much quieter [snip again] Put me down as another person who feels as Dirk does (in this instance, at least :-)). I think _Post_ is brilliant. There's not one second of the disc I dislike. The direction is not entirely new for Bjork (that is, if you've been following her career), but it is quite different than _Debut_. "Hyper-ballad" is about as close as she gets to "Violently Happy," and it's actually not very close. "Enjoy" has a much stronger bite than anything on _Debut_. And "Possibly Maybe" is a very dirty song, in a very subtle way. "Headphones" is experimental, to be sure, but it's also a terrific album closer. _Post_ is actually more than I'd hoped it would be (and that doesn't happen for me very often). It's the first album released in 1995 that didn't disappoint me in some way or other. Please count this as a positive review. ;-) - -Sam ------------------------------ From: Sue Trowbridge Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Upcoming musical guests on late night talk shows LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS Mo 6/19 The Rembrandts Tu 6/20 Trisha Yearwood Fr 6/23 R.E.M. Mo 6/26 Warren Zevon Tu 6/27 Alison Krauss We 6/28 A.J. Croce Th 6/29 Van Morrison Fr 6/30 Isaac Hayes THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC Tu 6/20 Jon B. & Babyface Fr 6/23 Annie Lennox Th 6/29 Allman Brothers LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC Mo 6/19 Mudhoney Tu 6/20 Rake's Progress Mo 6/26 Beau Jocques Th 6/29 RuPaul Fr 6/30 A.J. Croce LATER WITH GREG KINNEAR, NBC Th 6/22 Little Richard (rerun of 5/18/95) Tu 6/27 Wayne Newton (rerun of 4/4/95) - --Sue Trowbridge trow@access.digex.net +++ trow@charm.net http://www.access.digex.net/~trow/ Single of the month, June: Matthew Sweet, "Sick of Myself" ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:04:54 +1200 Subject: www usenet searching - dejanews Hi folks My friend Steve, sitting a few terminals away, just wandered across a world wide web service called dejanews, for searching usenet. The URL is: http://www.dejanews.com/ I searched for "happy rhodes" (selecting the 'AND' option, instead of the default 'OR' so that it didn't list everything that had the word "happy" in it :) and got (incredibly quickly, I might add) a list of 392 hits. There were many incidental matches, such as posts from people with the surname Rhodes, or posts from Rhodes University that had the word "happy", and it also found a bunch of Ecto folk's .sig quotes :) There was even a post to rec.music.tori-amos that got picked up okay, even though it actually mentioned "hapoy rhodes", 'cause their .sig quote was from Tori's "Happy Phantom" :) :) There was a review on rec.music.reviews of "Melissa Ferrick, Ani DiFranco, Tracy Bonham, Helium", which got listed due to a mention of Happy in the review of Ani DiFranco... A post on rec.music.misc titled "SF-references-in-music List" includes mentions of Happy for "Wrong Century", "Save Our Souls", and "Look for the Child". (Although they've gotten the meaning of W.C. a little wrong, if I recall the recent discussion of that song correctly.) Unfortunately, it also picked up a huge number of copies of a make money fast spam by some guy called Dave Rhodes... *sigh* Oh well... I've just tried adding "music" to the search terms, and that's narrowed it down quite a lot! (to 36 hits) Anyways, I have to get going now, but I thought I'd mention the service, in case people were interested... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: mapravat@prairienet.org (Mitchell A. Pravatiner) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 18:14:00 CDT Subject: Geography made easy Notwithstanding what someone said in these pages, Kingston, NY is not the home of AG. It's the seat of Ulster County, in which Bearsville (which _is_ the home of AG) is located. Mitch ------------------------------ From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:26:17 -0500 Subject: Minor pointless delurk I didn't realize how much of a lurker I'd become here until I went into my indyunix account to clean up all the "ecto-loose" messages there, and found something like 300 unread messages and another 300 read but undeleted messages... But that's fixed. I'm on digest only, mostly because I wasn't exactly an active participant on the loose format. (Already I can hear the FTE alumni screaming and covering their faces; no, really, I promise I'll behave myself. I've found USENET groups for just about any subject I may wish to flame about, so you can consider yourself guaranteed anything here from Calamari will be discussion bait but not flamebait.) - - You know you're an Amiga nut when: You see mention of "Progressive/AAA" and you immediately think of Dave Haynie. - -You know you've watched too much Babylon 5 when: You're listening to Sarah McLachlan's "Out of the Shadows" for clues to the story arc. - -You know you've been on the FTE list too long when: You see mention of calamari on the Red Lobster menu, and run screaming from the store. - -You know you've been reading too much Squid when: You won't run the vaccuum cleaner while listening to Black. (an obscure reference, and a vicious one, I know...) - -You know you've been using Microsoft Windows too long when: Program Manager appears. - -You know you've _really_ been using Microsoft Windows too long when: You describe a hangover as "a general protection fault." - -You know you've been listening to too much Sarah McLachlan when: Eternity comes to an end. :-) - -You know you've been listening to too much Yes when: You catch yourself using "awaken," "gentle," "mass," and " touch" in a sentence, in that order, consecutively, and it makes complete sense to you. - -You know you've been reading too much Arthur C. Clarke when: You switch on the TV and hear them mention Nicole (Simpson) and immediately you wonder about Richard Wakefield. - -You know you've been reading Calamari's pointless delurk for too long when: You've reached _this_ point. :-) Hmmm... my most recent CD purchases: Batman Forever soundtrack. Don't laugh: U2, PJ Harvey, Eddi Reader, Mazzy Star, the Devlins... too bad I didn't hear half of it in the movie itself. (Cool movie, too... not exactly intellectual, but the pacing will keep you awake, and Jim Carrey is a riot) Maria McKee- her first solo album from the mid-late 80's. Haven' t finished listening to this one, I suppose everyone here's already heard it, or else don't consider her ectoish. Is she? Yes- Going for the One. Happy Rhodes' favorite Yes album, along with Talk; a number of people have also named this as one of their finest. I'd owned the tape of this for a while, but lost it a little over a year ago (at a Sarah McLachlan concert, I think) and apparently had forgotten just how impressive some of this album is. "Awaken" is, AFAIK, the last of the great Yes compositional pieces, and a durn good one at that. All in all, not a bad album. As with all Yes, two people who like it won't necessarily like it for the same reasons; it might be interesting to know precisely _which_ tracks on here Happy digs. And now on a less positive note, and be forewarned, although it' s NOT MEANT AS FLAMEBAIT, this could be misconstrued as such (it was once before). (and I know this is a long time coming) I listened again to the episode of World Cafe with Happy Rhodes. And, though I know I'll be picking soot out of my hair for days for saying this, I _still_ don't care for "Collective Heart." (Will I go to hell? "No, it's just going to feel like it...") At least I'm being honest, but then, honesty earns no points in the real world or the virtual one. Let me be specific: on that second listen, I said, "Hey, this isn't so bad... I kinda like this, what was I thinking when I posted on ecto?" And then the chorus began, and I cringed. It's just not my taste. Nowhere is it written that I must like all of Happy's songs; nowhere is it written that I must like _anything_. The other songs were fine, and the rest of " Collective Heart" is ok, but that chorus just... I might compare it to getting a shot, where they swab you with alcohol and you feel it entering your bloodstream. That kinda cringe. Same feeling as listening to virtually anything Belinda Carlisle has written, because there's a clumsy line in _all_ of them. Same as the line in Sarah McLachlan's "Fumbling": "It's my heart that pounds beneath my flesh, it's my mouth that pushes out this breath..." Just a line that does nothing for me. I've learned to live with it, and over time, that line came to bother me less, but... Now then, since I've honked off everyone _twice_ now with this... I will say anyone who shouts "Get off ecto, Squid, we don't need your shit here" like last time will be politely (not) thanked (not). This is entirely for discussion, not even that, more along the lines of a confession. I certainly hope there's nothing fundamentally wrong with being honest about my musical tastes, especially on a list like Ecto, and I apologize in advance if my sentiment makes anyone upset. Oh yeah, one more thing. Heard a Philip Glass work (it's on the same tape as the Happy show) but can't ask for identification here because it's instrumental and I have no words to quote! :-O I think it's called "Floe"; they said it was written in 1968 or so. It sounds like a pipe organ, just this cool-sounding "rolling." Any pointers? Now for the list of CDs I _should_ have bought by now but haven't: - - Happy Rhodes _Warpaint_: Everything I've heard about this album says it's great. One day I'll get around to tracking it down... perhaps once I get a real job again (that's why I had 600 undeleted messages...) - - The new Jane Siberry: Funny, I haven't even seen this in stores. But when browsing yesterday in Bloomington, I passed by the "s" racks, and thought, "Isn't there something I'm supposed to be looking for here?" Ho boy. Guess my brain damage must be worse than we suspected. - - Ferron _Testimony_: I asked about this when I first reared my ugly head here, and still haven't even bothered to look for it. Guess Internet is taking up too much of my time anymore. :-/ - - Sarah McLachlan _The Freedom Sessions MM+CD_: My version of FS is the Canadian audio-only release; at the time I ordered it, I didn't see a need for the MM version. Now, however, the computer I'm sitting at in the lab has a CD-ROM drive and a sound card. Perfect opportunity, no? Well, that's enough flamebait^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpotential discussion material for now. I look forward to a more active role in Ecto in the future; I like it here, especially now that I've alienated most of FTE. :-) Be seeing you. | http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | |John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu I wanna go to a real school someday! | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! |in the making. Finger me &| |"Enrich the soil, no soul no soul" Sarah McLachlan| tell me that you love me.| ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Minor pointless delurk On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI) wrote: > Oh yeah, one more thing. Heard a Philip Glass work (it's on the > same tape as the Happy show) but can't ask for identification > here because it's instrumental and I have no words to quote! :-O > I think it's called "Floe"; they said it was written in 1968 or > so. It sounds like a pipe organ, just this cool-sounding "rolling." > Any pointers? "Floe" is on the album _Glassworks_, which came out in the mid-70's. A good, typical Glass album. I think it was his first major label release. And don't worry too much about being flamed for not liking some Happy songs. Heck, I don't care much for the entire _BtC_ *album*, and I've said so on the list. So far, I've been spared the Crispy Critter treatment. D^2 ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:01:38 -0400 Subject: I'm back? Whew. Missed you all! Nice to log in and see all those familiar names scroll up... If there are any other Pipeliners on ecto, I'd advise waiting a little before trying that beta of 3.019! Will post more details later. I'm off to attempt to restore some old data! Robert ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #137 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu