From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #133 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 14 June 1995 Volume 02 : Number 133 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Scarlet Life Yes, _Reliquaries_, My Scarlet Life's full-length cd does exist. We have it, having bought both it and Big Hat's final recording, _Taqueria del Meurte_ from the mailing address listed on ecto a few months ago. My Scarlet Life isn't Big Hat, and that took some adjustment. It's hard to describe. I like it a lot, and the more we play it the more I like it. Big Hat related. Quieter. Weirder. I dunno. I'll go listen some more and report later, but I'd also like to hear other people's opinions. Are we the only people who have this? - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Sherm) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Annie DiFranco This is kinda urgent and last minute.... anyone going to the Annie DiFranco show tonight is Rochester? I need info on it,.. like where? What time? location? and if anyone else wanted to go (oh, and prices). Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: katell keineg hey, does anyone know what the deal is with getting tix for this show? is this done only through ticketslime, or is it at the box office day of the show kinda thing? thanks, chandra ps woj-n-meth: john and i are hoping to go to the firday show--maybe we'll just miss seeing you again :-O ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 16:56:19 EDT Subject: What this MUSHroom needs is a good 5-cent virtual cigar The above somehow popped into my head while I was pondering the recent birth of young Bittner on this list, and of someone's kid on Cybermind. Clearly I'm spending too much time on the net. :-) The presence of "The Yeti Song" on the new Flash Girls album should make it attractive to Doctor Who fans. Now if only the good doctor were back on telly :-). When I was reading thru the precis of the Kate Jacobs/Katell Keinig concert, the thought occurred to me: What would it mean if Katell ever ended up on a K-Tel compilation? :-) That she had broken thru to the masses, or that the masses had dragged her down to their level? Mitch ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the speckless sky is it just me, or is there anyone else who finds this album impenetrable?... was listening to it again last night, and i was struck by how little sense most of the songs made (well, other than the taxi ride and maybe mein bitte, sort of)... :) kevin ------------------------------ From: Dan Riley Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 17:32:26 -0400 Subject: Re: the speckless sky > is it just me, or is there anyone else who finds this album > impenetrable? It's just you :-). Well, maybe not. jane is certainly oblique and referential. Most of her songs, even on TSS, make some sort of sense to me, though not always in any way I could explain. Maybe her next album will have footnotes? - -dan ------------------------------ From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 14:52:48 PDT Subject: the speckless sky Kevin John Contzen writes: > is it just me, or is there anyone else who finds this album > impenetrable?... was listening to it again last night, and i was struck > by how little sense most of the songs made (well, other than the taxi > ride and maybe mein bitte, sort of)... Yes. I love "Vladimir, Vladimir", which is completely mysterious, beautiful and engrossing. Jane is really good at that kind of thing. Listen to "Map of the World, Part I" from _No Borders Here_, or "The White Tent the Raft" from _The Walking_ for other examples. I find that I prefer mysterious music to easily-explainable music most of the time. There's nothing quite like a song that you can listen to for years and not make sense of, and yet every time you listen to it you think you understand a little more. Songs like that never become boring, no matter how many times you listen to them. ------------------------------ From: Sam Warren Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the Esteemed Mr. Dolby > >i'll also add that the esteemed mister dolby contributed "ocean" (a >synth thing, i guess) to robyn hitchcock's "love" on _black snake >diamond role_ (recently reissued by rhino records in the states and >sequel records in the uk). in return, robyn generated the voice of >keith in "white city" on _the flat earth_. woo hoo! And while we're on the subject, let me point out that he plays keyboards on Joan Armatrading's _Walk Under Ladders_ album. Now, if only someone could help me find a really good recording of when he played keyboards on David Bowie's performance of "Heroes" at the Live Aid concert. Any bootlegs out there that I don't know about? ;-) - -Sam ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Hanson Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:14:56 -0700 Subject: Re: the speckless sky & Jane in general I agree whole-heartedly about loving songs that take a while to understand. I also agree that most of Jane's songs fit perfectly into this category. The Walking, for example, was an album that took me a long time to like. Not only are the lyrics complex, but the music is as well. There's so much going on in each of the songs, that it really takes repeated listening before you can make any sense of it. I felt the same about When I Was a Boy when I first got it. At first I thought it was typical Jane, and was not immediately taken by it, but persevered and kept a cassette of it in my car. Then one day I went for a drive and all of a sudden the album clicked at a level that The Walking or any of her albums ever have. From that point on, it was months before I wanted to take the tape out of the car, or the CD out of the CD player. That album is pure genius--and now it seems that the lyrics on that album aren't obscure at all. (Especially after just reviewing the lyrics to the Speckless Sky!) So, for any of you out there, new to Jane Siberry, I highly recommend starting with When I Was a Boy, putting it in your CD player and playing it at least 20 times before judging it. Seriously! (Oh, and listening to it with headphones and the CD booklet in front of you defitely helps!) I think When I Was a Boy is the best album of the '90s. Not since Hounds of Love has an album moved me so much. And now for a confession--before The Walking, I'd kind of blown off Jane. I remember in high school, a friend of mine had No Borders Here, but I could never get into it. Last year I finally taped No Borders Here and Bound by the Beauty, and just this weekend I finally picked up THe Speckless Sky and her original album, and I'm sorry I missed out for so long. I'm really impressed with her first album. No Borders Here and The Speckless Sky are probably my least favorite of all her albums, but that's a more personal thing--and I still find them quite intriguing. It's just that on these albums the emphasis seems to be on just being quirky & strange, where on other albums, there seems to be more of a serious intent underlying the quirkiness (or perhaps, I just haven't "got" No Borders Here and The Speckless Sky yet!) Can't wait to see where she goes next. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: elionwyr@onix.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:02:28 +0500 Subject: Free stuff (Whew...I get to come back out of lurk mode...I've recently moved, which meant about 2 weeks of no modem contact - ack! - and then the board I call went thru some major changes while I was gone, which meant a loss of lots of mai and lots of new commands to learn...siiiigh! Thanks, woj, for helping me get back on track!) During my "hiatus" I came across some schtuff that I thought some folks out in Ectoland might be interested in. They're promo poster stuff. Jewel - two smallish posters, unfortunately a little creased but in pretty good shape. One is a full colour shot of her against a black background with "Jewel - Pieces of You" at the top. The other is a white poster with a dreamy-looking image of her and what I think are song lyrics from "Pieces of You" to her left. I don't know her music, so I'm not sure - this is the text: Jewel homage to home for the sweat of my father and the tough nails that broke his heart for the sun on our backs and the water on our brows the heat on our minds for the silent miles of dirt roads our eyes busy reading the signs (on the days we took the car) for bad meals turned good by hunger, everything beautiful in the red hot heat of our coal stove for an honest sleep in an old bed in an old house built of hand and log (had nothing been said all day?) Again, the condition of both posters isn't *perfect* but they're pretty good. I've also come across some flats (what we *used* to call "album covers") three from "Throwing Muses", and one from Laurie Anderson ("Bright Red")/ I picked this stuff up thinking that one of y'all might like it. Obviously I'm not charging a dang thing for them (though if you want them, donations towards postage would be very sweet). If'n ya wants it, let me know. :) - - Elionwyr@onix.com ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: jane/speckless sky >I agree whole-heartedly about loving songs that take a while to understand. >I also agree that most of Jane's songs fit perfectly into this category. me too.. the walking took me a long time to like, i think mostly because i didn't really give it the attention itdeserved, and required.. One day i simply sat and listened to it, lyric book in hand, without anything else nagging at my attention, and it sprang out at me as being very complex and quite emotionally powerful. i was amazed that i hadn't realised before.... >So, for any of you out there, new to Jane Siberry, I highly recommend starting >with When I Was a Boy, putting it in your CD player and playing it at >least 20 times before judging it. Seriously! (Oh, and listening to it >with headphones and the CD booklet in front of you defitely helps!) i definitely agree... it sometimes takes a while to appreciate jane's genius.. all that being said, and having made a point out of listening to the speckless sky quite intently, it remains the most elusive and seemingly meaningless of jane's albums.... and i must admit, it isn't until i 'get' jane's music that i end up liking it... i didn't like the walking until i began to understand it,and for the moment, at least, the speckless sky is by far my least favourite jane album. no borders here, while approaching tss's obscurity in some ways, has enough that's available for me to get hold of for a strong grasp to begin... with tss, i can't find anywhere to start. ... and i can't wait for jane's new album! kevin ------------------------------ From: doylem@iia.org (M.Doyle) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: Re: sTuff > woj sez: > > 1) i didn't see 'em live, but meredith did. i think i was trapped in spain > or montana when they played around the northeast. > > 2) i'm aware of msl, but i haven't ordered it yet. i will, soon, promise. > have you heard it? what thinketh thou? I haven't heard it yet either, but I'm ordering it forthwith. The keeper of the Big Hat homepage says it's fabulous. And that's the only review I've had. Where did meredith see Big Hat? - - Michael M. Doyle ========= "It's the car. Chicks love the car." ------------------------------ From: doylem@iia.org (M.Doyle) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:51:05 -0400 Subject: Re: My Scarlet Life > > M Doyle wondered... > > >Which leaves me with two questions: Did you ever get a chance > >to see Big Hat live? And are you/anyone aware of/have the debut CD > >from My Scarlet Life, Preston Klik's new band? > > To my knowledge it doesn't exist - yet.. or maybe they have a CD5 or > something like that. Actually, it does exist, has for several months. It's called _Reliquaries_ and it has 11 tracks: I was wondering if anyone had their hands on it. Credits are: Preston Klik - Organizing Principal, Sonics, Trumpet, Melodica Heidi Cron - Vocals, Lyrics, Flute, Mandolin, Eukelele (she must be the one that's hard to work with. You know those eukelele players are a pretty arrogant bunch.) Jason Moore - Drums, Percussion Julie Scrieber - Vocals, Lyrics, Flute, Bass I learned all this at the My Scarlet Life homepage: http://www.pipeline.com/people/amir/MSL The one review I have of the album is from the keeper of the Big Hat homepage, who loves it. Shall I go further and give the address through which to order it? Why not -- my next task after answering e-mail is to place my order... My Scarlet Life 5602 N. Ridge Chicago, IL 60660 The CD is $14 + $2 S&H. I can't wait to hear it. Amy, I think that's so wild that you tried out for MSL. How long ago was that? Can you elaborate on your impressions of Casa de Klik? There's something about a bird cage, right? > *Amy* (sometimes thinks she looks like Happy Rhodes' brunette sister) I think *I* would look like Happy Rhodes were I a woman. I've done side-by-side comparisons with Warpaint and most people agree. - - Michael M. Doyle ========= "It's the car. Chicks love the car." ------------------------------ From: doylem@iia.org (M.Doyle) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:33:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Last update on all... Matt wrote: > Unfortunately, they introduce Robin in this one. I'm one for > a solo Batman. I agree. I've never liked Robin. But believe me, Chris O'Donnell makes Robin work. This movie does a great job of forging a *true* Dynamic Duo (I never liked that phrase either), embodied in the final shot of the film -- I felt like cheering. It's a blast. Congrats on the newborn and much luck with the time capsule. - - Michael M. Doyle ========= "It's the car. Chicks love the car." ------------------------------ From: LynnK68685@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:09:02 -0400 Subject: Re: fred smith In a message dated 95-06-12 11:12:47 EDT, you write: >> >oh no. >i didn't realize that he'd died. >any news about what happened? I'm not sure what he died from, but from what I understand it was from an illness he had been suffering from for quite some time. Patti was obviously still quite shaken by his death when I saw her a few months ago. Lenny Kaye (he also accompanied her), had to keep reminding her what or who was next during the show. She played 2 shows back to back that night and during the first show, near the end, she started to cry but got herself together after a few moments and finished the show. It was very sad. She seemed much better during the second show. Her sister, Kimberly Smith, also performed that night. Her music is nothing like Patti's....folk, almost country. She sang a song she wrote for Fred. The shows were held to raise money for a church in Ann Arbor in memory of Fred. I can't remember what the item that was to be purchased was. Anyway, now that I haven't really answered your question!! I'll post the details of the show in Pontiac later this month. Lynn ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:18:03 -0700 Subject: Web page at last After a weekend in the chair, I managed to get my first web page up. Several pages, actually. Naturally, the first item in Links is to the Ecto home page. Stop by for a browse - it's http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ I will be adding more to it over the next few weeks. mp - -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | - --------------------------->((^o0o^))<---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Canadian flicks On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, woj wrote: > Neal Copperman sez: > > >Last Friday I saw the first of 4 Canadian films being shown at the Walters > >Art Gallery. It was called Whale Music, > > if i'm not mistaken, the rheostatics recorded the soundtrack for this > movie (they also released an album with the same name, though the music > is different from the soundtrack). though i haven't heard the soundtrack > yet, i'm a bit surprised that neal didn't like the music since the rheos > tend to record some pretty weird, arty rock. methinks i'll have to send > him a tape to refurbish his memory... ;) The rheostatics were indeed credited with much of the songs in the movie. I've never heard (or heard of) them, but there was nothing in the movie that would have made me give them a second thought. (Not that I ever turn my nose up at the offer of a tape though. Thanks for the prompt delivery of the discs from you and Meth. Did either of you get a chance to listen to the tape?) NEal ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 05:04:53 -0700 Subject: Re: the Esteemed Mr. Dolby At 12:17 PM on 6/12/95, brni wrote: >_aliens_ came out after he'd been out of commission for a long time >because of a dispute over his name. apparently Dolby Noise Reduction >felt that someone might get them confused with Thomas Dolby and accidentally >purchase an album when they wanted a tape deck, and so they sued. the >esteemed Mr. Dolby had to suspend all recording work for the duration >of the trial, which lasted several years. [...] As I recall the outcome of the trial was that he couldn't produce any musical equipment with his stage name on it ("Dolby" isn't his real name) and he had to market himself as *Thomas Dolby* and not just *Dolby*. I have a vinyl single copy of his pre-lawsuit funk project "Dolby's Cube" with a couple of versions of "May the Cube be with you" on it. Picked it up in the the UK ages ago. Anyway, it's stuff like that that the Dolby company didn't want him doing. They also weren't pleased when he started pulling bad reviews and getting headlines like DOLBY'S LATEST SUCKS or whatever. Funny how intellectual property (sic) works. The commodification of a word. - Neil K. (tm) - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@helix.net 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: GIBSOND@AA.WL.COM Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:36:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Fred Smith (Some clarifications) and Patti Hi all! Fred passed away sometime in November from a sudden heart attack. Patti is still very much shaken by his death as well as her brother Todd's who passed away a short time later. Yes the show at the Ark was very touching, many of Patti's and Fred's friends gathered together for this benefit. The benefit was one to purchase an Anchor for Mariner's Church which is a beautiful church on the Detroit river. Some of the performers were members of Fred's latest band "Sonic Rendevous Band", as well as Lenny Kaye, Hiawatha from a local Ann Arbor band, Andi Owstrowe ( a long time friend of Patti's), and Kimberly Smith and many others. I spoke w/Lenny for a while before the show and he mentioned he is working on Waylon Jennings biography. I had forgotten that Lenny was an excellent writer and had written for "Rock Scene" magazine back in the 70's. Patti is just starting to play out mostly w/Carolyn Striho (sp?) and the Detroit Energy Asylum, reading poetry and performing a few songs. It will take some time for her to get over her nervousness (she has been forgetting words quite a bit but then again she has in the past). Carolyn is an old time friend of Patti's and Fred. Patti is working on a new book of poetry called "Wild Leaves" as well as going back into the studio this summer to record a new album. :) Patti is working to complete a Sonic Rendevous Band anthology. Patti recorded a Nina Simone song for an album which proceeds will go to the Shirley Divers foundation (Cancer Research Womens Health Issues). Other artists which will be included on the album are Annie Lenox, Sinead and others. The album will be put out by the people who did the "Red, Hot and ...." compilations. Well all for now. Don ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 14 Jun 95 11:35:37 EDT Subject: Melissa Ferrick in Chicago Is anybody in Chicago planning to go see Melissa Ferrick? She is playing at Schuba's next Monday, June 19. Shows there usually start 9:30-10pm'ish. I'm hoping it won't be too expensive. Last time she was there the show sold out (I think was playing with another act too) so this time I'm gonna lay out for tix in advance at ticketripper. Hope to see some ectofolks there! BTW, does she have a new CD out? Or is Massive Blur the latest? - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jewel Video Hello people of ecto! has anyone seen the Jewel video for "Who Will Save Your Soul?" Is it being aired on any TV stations? I personally haven't seen it on MTV nor VH-1. At any rate, for those of you who might have seen the video, why in the world is she singing in a restroom? Just had to ask.... It's one of those things that I find peculiarly odd. Well, talk to you folks later! Have fun! Jason ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #133 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu