From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #121 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 30 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 121 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 08:42:15 +0000 Subject: Various... So, Purchased two new tapes. PJ Harvey, _To Bring You My Love_ and bettie serveert _lamprey_. First a general question, then on to the impressions. My question is: to the artists control the case of the band's name/titles of work-lyrics, or is controlled by the company? PJ's work is - in a word - great. This is the first full-length work of her's that I have, and I now have to track down the rest (along with Happy, Sarah, suddenly, tammy!, etc. etc.). I was emailed by Barb Hart who didn't like the "distortion" of the majority of the songs on this collection. However, I do, and the song I like the best is one of the heaviest with the distortion: "To Bring You My Love". I would have to agree with Barb that there is a lot of distortion, but I think that it makes this body of work. If someone other than Flood was producing it, it wouldn't have worked as well. Overall, a great collection, and so far number three on my best of '95 list. bettie serveert's _lamprey_ is also quite wonderful. Great catchy tunes, and one to listen to when wanting some uplifting. Maybe put this one on after listening to the somewhat "darker" PJ. For those wanting "upbeat" ecto-fodder, this is one. An observation: it reminds me of a work done by "local artists". The mixing could use some help. The person responsible for the mixing on _lamprey_ seems to like the snare drum. It's "fore-ground" evident it all the songs. I enjoy snares that are either mixed in well (meaning not too pronounced) or even in the background. Overall, though a good effort. Another question: has anybody heard of Jennifer Trynin (sp?)? One of the local radio stations - the one still refusing to play Jewel - has started to play one of her songs (whose title escapes me). She has a good voice, and could border on ecto-ish. However, I would have to wait and hear more of her/more about her before I make that decision. Egads, it's hard waiting for a baby to come. My wife is due at any time, and it stinks being two-hours away from where she will give birth. Needles to say, when she calls and says "Now!", I'll probably be ticketed for speeding. As an aside, I helped pick out the girl's name if it is one (no, we don't know yet): Sarah Cathyrn. Hmm, and what could have influenced me there? No, my wife didn't think "Happy Jewel" was a good choice, although it is catchy (and kind of hippy-ish). Maybe I'll reserve that one as a "term of endearment". Waiting for Baby Bean Bittner, Matt Bittner meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska ------------------------------ From: BOUTAME@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu Date: Tue, 30 May 95 10:05:48 EDT Subject: [none] Hi! Meth said: >And one more thing -- it has been stated in another forum that one of our >number, Tamar Boursalian by name, has always wanted to be proclaimed a goddess >in a public forum. I hereby proclaim Tamar a goddess. So there. ;> Gee, thanks, , I'm touched.... Most of you don't know me, so you'll just have to take her word for it!! ;-) And while I'm here, Greg said: >>what i could see, i swear that Karen's ears are pointed. To which Meth replied: >Greg is clearly suffering from a lack of elves. To which I say, Greg is clearly suffering from a lack of Vulcans! See y'all, Tamar P.S. Does anyone know if the extra Happy interview stuff was ever aired on WPKN? I listened for a little while on Saturday, but it wasn't on while I was tuned in. ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:54:17 -0500 Subject: Re: the couch potato speaks David Dixon wrote... >On Mon, 29 May 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > >> Erm, I dunno. Lesbian musicians have been (relatively) more forthcoming >> about their sexuality than gay male musicians have -- can you name one gay >> male musician who doesn't make his sexuality his politics, and thus his music >> (that leaves out Jimmy Somerville and Andy Bell, folks)? Bob Mould doesn't >> count. > >Why doesn't he count? Seems to me that it's not so much that homosexual >musicians make a big deal out of their sexuality, but more that it's made >out to be a big deal for them (by their record companies, agents, >what-have-you). Mould, for example, has to continually downplay his >sexual orientation in interviews, only because the interviewers keep >bringing it up! Um. I'm thinking of musical groups with male members now... Kitchens of Distinction, for one. The Judybats, for another. Of course, I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't make his sexuality his politics." (I follow it, yes, maybe I'm just not sure whether the folks I am thinking of do that. Or where the line is drawn). Seems to me, you didn't hear much about lesbian musicians until fairly recently. Male homosexuals have been more in the forefront. (I'm thinking that one only *really* started hearing about lesbian musicians in the popular press when k.d. lang and Melissa Etheridge "came out.") best, Laurel Krahn /// lakrahn@iw.net Director of Operations /// 800.386.IWAY Iway Internet Services /// http://www.iw.net/ ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Milla on Conan ??? > AAAARRRGGHHHH! :P > The dear folks at conanshow@aol.com are going to get an *extremely* > nasty email from me for this one. Well, maybe not extremely nasty... but > certainly not at all nice. You might want to hold off on that nasty letter... When I watched the last Conan show, it said that Milla will be on the next one. Well, hope they're right... I too will be looking forward to it. Until the next... Jason ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:54:36 +0000 Subject: Re: footah note > Luxury! We had a buch of fellows banging rocks together! And you try to > talk to this younger generation... Rocks? You had rocks?! We had guys banging their *heads* together! No, waitaminnit, that was Quiet Riot... - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:10:26 +0000 Subject: Brave Marauder? This has been driving me bonkers for a while now: I've heard a song on the radio every so often with the refrain "I am the Brave Marauder" (or something like that). Sort of hard-edged folk-songish, sorta like Sinead. Any clues as to what/who it is? BTW, the NPR affiliate up here in Dallas is lame, even though they do play a little Ectoish stuff. Mostly, it's a very narrow format, playing a sort of easy to listen to rock-for-grownups, with very little variation. Makes me appreciate Austin's KUT and Philly's WXPN all that much more. At least they have NPR news... - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Brave Marauder? > This has been driving me bonkers for a while now: I've heard a song > on the radio every so often with the refrain "I am the Brave > Marauder" (or something like that). Sort of hard-edged folk-songish, > sorta like Sinead. Any clues as to what/who it is? This sounds like "Bold Marauder" by Kendra Smith. It's on the 4AD compilation, _All Virgos Are Mad_. I know Kendra Smith has a new album which is either out now or coming soon. "Bold Marauder" may be on that as well. Hope that helps. Stuart _____________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Emory Law School Library http://law.emory.edu/~stuart _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:01:48 +0000 Subject: Re: the couch potato speaks > (I'm thinking that one only *really* started hearing about lesbian musicians > in the popular press when k.d. lang and Melissa Etheridge "came out.") I would disagree here. I was first "enlightened" by Michelle Shocked. As far as I know, she was always up-front about her sexuality. Matt Bittner meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:19:42 +0000 Subject: Latest purchase... Well, Just got back from Best Buy (an electronics "warehouse") and picked up the debut release - on spinART - of suddenly, tammy! Granted, I haven't listened to it yet, but just wanted to let everybody know that if you're looking for this disc, check out Best Buy. They had 8 copies of the disc, so there shouldn't be a problem. Review/perceptions forth coming. Matt Bittner meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska ------------------------------ From: panic in the lingerie Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:15:50 -0400 Subject: Re: scary mimi! Neal Copperman sez: >At the end of the song, her eyes having >rolled back down out of her head, she kindly thanked us and tossed >apparently harmless candy into the crowd. "apparently"? did you eat any? >And probably the second scariest show I've seen was the Foetus Inc. show >that featured Hahn Rowe, Hugo Largo's violin player. Anyone know of any >other projects he's been involved in? hahn's appeared in lots of places, but the only one that comes to mind was/is bosho. they were a downtown nyc noise-rock thang. yuval gabay on drums and a small oriental woman who could shriek like a banshee on vocals. i saw them once as well. some friends and i just went out to the knitting factory one night and they happened to be playing. they could best be described as a jet plane taking off in your skull (iliked it, but your mileage will vary). i'm pretty sure that bosho put out at least one album. they have a couple tracks on some of the knitting factory compilations too. woj ------------------------------ From: panic in the lingerie Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:44:07 -0400 Subject: ectoality meredith sez: >Erm, I dunno. Lesbian musicians have been (relatively) more forthcoming >about their sexuality than gay male musicians have -- can you name one gay >male musician who doesn't make his sexuality his politics, and thus his music >(that leaves out Jimmy Somerville and Andy Bell, folks)? elton john. in any event, i was talking about the acceptance of male vs. female homosexuality in general, not as it specifically related to music. the example of "i kissed a boy" could take any form of art or personal statement. David Dixon sez: >Seems to me that it's not so much that homosexual >musicians make a big deal out of their sexuality, but more that it's made >out to be a big deal for them good point, thought i think there are a large number of musicians who make no bones about their sexuality and discuss it on their own initiative (whether in their songs or in interviews). this is where i sorta lose touch with meredith's question about making sexuality your politics. maybe i'm looney, but i consider politics to be more than just conservatives vs. liberals - it's how you interact with people on all levels. your sexuality and how you deal with it has an effect on how you deal with other people. that's why i can't separate politics from music. even if the tune isn't overtly political, it says something about how you view social interaction. (as you might guess, i roll my eyes when KaTe bush says, "i don't think of myself as a political person.") woj ------------------------------ From: Sam Warren Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New Joan Armatrading album? Marion Kippers sez: >Last night I was listening to the radio just before I fell >asleep, and then I heard a song by Joan Armatrading. It >... >ears). The discjockey said it was a track off her new album >"Mercy of love" (?). >Anyway, does anybody know anything about what she did in the >past years since "Sleight of hand", or about this new album? >Has she gone back to what she did best (IMHO)? Well this is highly subjective, of course! I liked _Sleight of Hand_, as well as _The Shouting Stage_. But then there was a little thing called _Hearts and Flowers_. Ick poo (IMHO)! So when _Square The Circle_ came out last year or two years ago, I put a little thought into the purchase. It turned out to be MUCH better than _Hearts and Flowers_, but if you're thinking she's ever going to do another _Me Myself I_ or _Walk Under Ladders_, I think you'll be disappointed. She still does a few songs here and there that can put you in mind of _Show Some Emotion_ or _Joan Armatrading_, but she's been growing in a different direction for awhile now, and if you didn't like _Sleight of Hand_, maybe you should stick to the stuff you do like. Hope you're not too disappointed. Each artist goes through stages. Maybe she'll turn around and go back the other way, you never know! - -Sam ------------------------------ From: redadept@cris.com (Red Adept) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:56:02 -0500 Subject: Re: the couch potato speaks In article <01HR3BA7THIG9LXM75@delphi.com>, The Couch Potato wrote >Jeff replied about Harte Rouge: >Erm, I dunno. Lesbian musicians have been (relatively) more forthcoming >about their sexuality than gay male musicians have -- can you name one gay >male musician who doesn't make his sexuality his politics, and thus his music >(that leaves out Jimmy Somerville and Andy Bell, folks)? Bob Mould doesn't >count. Well, I'm not sure if he counts, but Freddy Mercury comes to mind. I hit this very same block a few years ago when I really got into Queen. I asked a friend, "Isn't Freddy gay?" His answer was, "Does it really matter?" I guess it didn't. :) I still love their music. I don't know if he is or not, but George Michael's name has been bandied about as being gay. It really don't listen to his music and it doesn't matter to me anyway. A person's sexual orientation doesn't matter to me as much as the kind of person they are. OBEcto: Is it me, or does Jewel really remind you of Joni Mitchell? - --Red - --- redadept@cris.com, Brent, Son of Fiona (Amber), Robin Redgrove (SCA) M:TG Addict, Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia, Fanimaniac, Ferret-o-phile Witch, Raven, "Clinging to his paganism like lichen to a stone." Goth - --- My mom says I shouldn't ask girls out on dates anymore...she says I should instead invite them on a picturesque tour of the countoured mental interiour and labrynthine dungeons of my mind. -- The Quigmans ------------------------------ From: Ethan Straffin Date: Tue, 30 May 95 16:03:55 -0700 Subject: Re: the couch potato speaks Red sez: >>Jeff replied about Harte Rouge: > >>Erm, I dunno. Lesbian musicians have been (relatively) more forthcoming >>about their sexuality than gay male musicians have -- can you name one gay >>male musician who doesn't make his sexuality his politics, and thus his music >>(that leaves out Jimmy Somerville and Andy Bell, folks)? Bob Mould doesn't >>count. I beg to differ, Jeff. Bob Mould *always* counts. :) >Well, I'm not sure if he counts, but Freddy Mercury comes to mind. I'd also place the Pet Shop Boys in this category. Both they and Mould have been criticized in some parts of the gay community for refusing to make their sexuality an issue. >OBEcto: Is it me, or does Jewel really remind you of Joni Mitchell? A little. Definitely Rickie Lee Jones too, in some of her inflections. Ethan ------------------------------ From: "Jeremy J. Corry" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Rhodes News? and Rhodeways I hate to say it, but after three years of reading ecto, I really really can't keep up anymore. Has anyone ever proposed starting a second adjunct list (called Happy Rhodes News perhaps?), which would only carry ecto posts that are specifically related to Happy's career? If there were a such a list that just had concert announcements, album/single info, appearances, and other news, I'm sure there would be a lot of otherwise busy subscribers. Some (like me) might move from ecto to news, but we aren't regular post'ers, so that should not effect the quality of ecto. I wish I had the time or resources to do this myself, but I wouldn't feel the need for it if I did. Also, does anyone have a phone number for Sharon of Rhodeways fame? I'd really like to write her a check, but would like to bend her ear for 30 seconds first. Thanks to everyone, and especially to respondents to the above. Love to all, Jeremy Jeremy J. Corry Personal page http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~jcorry ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:26 -0400 Subject: Richard writes a Poem Hello yet again. Many of you - well, a few of you - might be aware that I have two children. My younger one, Steven, is getting into Buddhism and meditation, whilst my older child, Richard, suddenly discovered music. He is already a very good guitarist, and just last week his High School literary magazine published a poem he wrote. Being the proud dad that I am, and knowing poetry is dear to many ectophiles, I'd like to share his poem with you. RIPTIDE The crescent wave slams down With natural force - It is moonlit And the sky screams warnings The wave is straightforward But, at the same time, deep - Like the ocean which cast it out And the sky speaks warnings The stars melt away, Pulling in the tide - And at the same time our destiny And the sky whispers warnings Soon nothing is heard The wave has receded - And rain and thunder crash >From the sky, which now laughs At all the deaf ears -Richard Lovejoy Thank you for letting me share that. I told him that when he was ready to write songs, lyrics would be the least of his problems! Robert "Don't rage against the dying of the light, get a new lamp!" Lovejoy ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:43 -0400 Subject: The girl can play Hi all, Through the modern washday miracle of the videocassette recorder, I just watched Jill Sobule sing "I Kissed a Girl" on last Friday's Tonight Show. Aside from its being a generally cool song, and aside from Ms. Sobule's right-on vocal delivery (She reminds me just a little of Cyndi Lauper!), Jill cut loose with a lead guitar solo, replete with heavy Whammy Bar action, that knocked my socks from the vicinity of my feet (for which they were doubtless grateful). Posted FWIW, IMHO. Standard disclaimers apply. Robert "You're Only As Pretty As You Feel" Lovejoy ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:37:21 -0400 Subject: Brave Marauder? On Tue, 30 May 1995 "Joseph Zitt" said: >This has been driving me bonkers for a while now: I've heard a song >on the radio every so often with the refrain "I am the Brave >Marauder" (or something like that). Sort of hard-edged folk-songish, >sorta like Sinead. Any clues as to what/who it is? Back in 1968, Mimi and Richard Farina released "The Bold Marauder", a hard-edged anti-war folk song. "It's Hi-Ho-Hey, I am the Bold Marauder...the white destroyer.." Blistering war lyrics "We will march in Battle array and I will be your teacher"(?). Perhaps someone has released a cover? Robert "If Tom Edison had extrapolated, he'd have invented a better gas lamp!" Lovejoy ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 30 May 95 21:04:29 EDT Subject: red shoes... ...but not KaTe's. my housemate bought a vcr, which we have hooked up to my old Amiga monitor, giving us a color picture! i was getting used to the teeny B/W tv, which added a sort of artsy charm to things... but the color does enhance the more serious, artistic endeavors. thus it was that i was watching Beavis and Butthead (i am the great cornholio! are you threatening me?!) last night. while channel surfing during the breaks, i heard a snip of Johnette; sure 'nough, it was Concrete Blonde's "Mexican Moonlight" on hbo's "Red Shoes Diaries". A few minutes of that had me turning back to B&B, despite the continuing bits of "Mexican Moonlight" in the background; but i resolved to turn back to hbo to catch the credits, in case there had been more CB in the show. i got back a bit early, however, to discover, astonished, that the final fuzzy fake 'romantic interlude' was accompanied by Lisa Germano's "The Dresses Song"; in fact, the episode was titled "You Make Me Want to Wear Dresses". ! oddly enough, i didn't see a credit for ms. Germano, though there was one for CB. it's possible that there was a credit at the start, what with them nicking the title from her and all, but i rather hope she simply didn't want her name associated with the show. what i saw of it, the happy ending involved the independent, tomboyish female character forsaking her comboy clothes for the male lead and a little slinky black dress. there *was* a brief shot of the male lead twirling in a petticoat -- alas, so much more could have been done, given the title ;) the great footaholio, - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 19:46:57 PDT Subject: Re: the couch potato speaks Oh, no, not the 'So what if x musician is gay' debate again(last time was when Sophie B. Hawkins was Top 10 with 'Damn I wish I was Madonna^h^h^h^h^h^h^h your lover', for neo-ectophiles). D^2 asks: >How about Tom Robinson? (care to add anything about him, Angelos?) Well, Tom Robinson has never kept his sexuality a secret (maybe in his Cafe Society days) and had a hit in England in the late 70s with the polemic anthem 'Glad to be gay', and another one later with 'War Baby' and has always been open about it in his songs. I will say that IMHO the general public (TM) is not ready to listen to a song with lyrics such as '17 years I've been running and hiding/never thought loving was sweeter than this/now I'm alone again, I'm only thinking of soul brother Steven/ the man that I miss Carry on cruising the crowds in the catacombs/carry on hustling into the night/easy way out for the suckers and chickens/but I've lost my mainman the love of my life Steal me a car and a bottle of Teachers/a few dozen downers/I'll go out in style/Goodbye sweet Steven and pretty boy Peter/I'll meet you on Easy Street after a while' sung by a man, because if the general public was ready, Tom would be more popular than Elton John (had he composed the Lion King Soundtrack instead :)). It's ironic how Tom Robinson is too gay for the mainstream and too straight for the British gay press. In fact he puts it better when he said, and I quote: ' But I wanted to play a concert (and release an album) of all-gay material regardless of cost, just by way of a statement I guess because it was the tenth anniversary of Stonewall. And THAT'S one of the reasons I get so hacked off when jumped up little assholes from nowhere give me a hard time in the UK gay press calling me a bloody homophobe simply because I happen to be in a relationship with a woman these days.' (from the pages of castaway@world.std.com, the TR list). What about RuPaul and Boy George? And Pansy Division? It's completely weird what gets accepted and what doesn't. Then maybe not. Drag seems to pay off better than straightforwardness. Is it because a stereotype is easier to digest (because it's obviously not a matter of talent)? Are Magnetic Fields not as popular because Stephin Merritt sings lines like 'You have become like other men, so let me kiss you once again'? Who knows. I don't, that's for sure. BTW, I still think (ObHappy) that Warpaint is brilliant. Still waiting for those NE tour dates from the hapster (what's she up to these days anyway?). Bound to spend the rest of the week at work, but hoping to make it to the Middle East on Saturday (if the experiment we're running at work is over) to check out Magnetic Fields who are opening for Epic Soundtracks (anybody know if they're any good?) Angelos (still happily working to find a solution for all the pollution and not posting as much as I used to) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #121 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu