From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #112 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 19 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 112 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:42:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Sinead with hair? (on the Late Show) >The Late Show with Letterman in London on the 17th of May featured the >Chieftains, Van Morrison, and Sinead O'Connor as the guest musicians. >They performed the Rod Stewart song, "Have I told you lately that I love >you." Aigh!!!!!! I hate the Rod Stewart version of "Have I told you lately that I love you?" Note that I say the Rod Stewart *version*. The song was written by Van Morrison years ago. Van was hamming it up a bit too much last night, but rest assured that his original rendering of it is a thousand times better than Rod Stewart could ever sing it. All, IMHO. And I'm not really yelling at Jason... just yelling in general 'cuz it's annoying to me that people think Rod Stewart is the originator of the song.... Sigh. I thought Sinead looked well. And the Chieftains were nifty. Van was different, but he keeps doing that. Laurel Krahn /// lakrahn@iw.net Director of Operations /// 800.386.IWAY Iway Internet Services /// info@iw.net Sioux Falls, South Dakota /// http://www.iw.net/ ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ARGHHHHHHH!!!! I can't believe it! The concert last night was incredible. Jewel was really up and especially energetic and the crowd was great, the place was packed. She sang "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" with her mother and her mother sang her favourite lullaby from when she was a child, and Jewel sang incredible versions of her best songs (even more expressive than I've seen her be before), and did an amazing song ("Nicotine Love") that she hasn't sung for over a year (her road manager got an audience member to request it) AND she talked to me in between songs in the middle of the concert about a chapbook of my poems I'd given her and put in a plug for my work--and I hadn't put the the batteries in my tape machine properly so all my careful timing about changing the tape was for nothing. I am kicking myself. I can't believe I didn't look at it to make certain it was working. AND I didn't write down the set list because I thought I could get it from the tape afterwards. Argh!!! - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: claudia@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 21:10:20 CET-1 Subject: concert report: Ashley Maher, London Dear ectophile friends, I'd like to share with you the rare experience of an Ashley Maher concert which I had the pleasure to see in London, at the Subterrania on sunday, April 2nd . I would never had the chance, were it not for the wonders of modern communication technology. ;) Klaus read about this rather short notice on the net on friday, while I was at a meeting in Athens, so he sent me a fax. I was going to meet a friend of mine, who also likes real good music (:-]) in London on wednesday (after a meeting there from monday on), he called her on saturday and she called the club, to confirm the date and such. She picked me up at my hotel in central London sunday night and we drove all the way to the Westend (dreary, NOT recommended), where we found out, the club was actually built between columns holding up the M4 (large motorway). Weird place, but actually there were several clubs lined up like that. The club itself inside, concrete, few chairs, sort of postmodern and quite large. Good sound system and acoustics. There were two acts that night, first a guy with dreadlocks and a guitar, and a matching band; I expected a lot of noise, but actually they spent an hour being VERY soft and schmaltzy. :-P The few chairs were firmly occupied, so we leaned on a convenient wall. If you've ever been to a several day meeting, then you know, the one thing you don't get is enough sleep. By the time Ashley and her band took the stage, about 11 p.m., I was almost dead on my feet. I'd say she's about mid-thirtyish, has long, thick beautiful reddish blonde hair and she was wearing a tight black t-shirt and a wide colourful skirt. Her two backing singers, one white, one coloured, matched her outfit. Besides them she had a guitarist, a guy on base, one on drums and one on percussion. When they started, there was no more thinking of sleep. Her special mixture of folky-celtic singing with a beautiful, strong voice combined with rather fast african-latin-american rhythms kept me dancing. She herself and the two other girls danced a lot too. One thing I really love about live music is seeing the band having fun and that fun including the audience. Ashley and her band are a great example for that, bubbling with excitement and having LOTS of fun and wanting everyone to have fun with them. When she introduced her band, everybody including the two backing vocalists got a little solo, and I must say they were all real good. They were also very multicultural, coming from all over the world (I remember something like an african country and the carribbean at least). Especially the bass man from Africa (Togo?), she thanked another band for "borrowing" him, he was brilliant. The audience was equally mixed, and with the last song two black guys jumped the stage (not really high) and danced rather wildly along. I can't tell you the track list, but quite a few songs sounded familiar from listening to the albums. Several more she explicitly announced as "new", hinting at a forthcoming album and tour. I was even more thoroughly dead afterwards, but it was definitely worth it! Look out for the album, back to indirect lurking mode, Claudia ------------------------------ From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 21:15:09 CET-1 Subject: new music Since I haven't seen most it mentioned here, maybe the following is really new to most of you. Only very brief information. Let me know if you'd like to know more. - - Lisa Gerrard (from Dead Can Dance) is about to release a solo album, named "The Mirror Pool", and she will be touring! Concerts in Germany have been pre-anounced. - - There's now a double CD with rarities by Danielle Dax named "Comatose non reaction". I haven't found it yet, but it does exist. - - Dob Russkin have released "Muse", their 2nd album, which shows the same beautiful arrangements and singing as the previous "Charm Away". - - Barbara Gosza has released her 3rd album, "Ceremonies". Less percussion than on the previous release, but apart from that very enjoyable. - - Chandeen, one of the "Heavenly Voices" bands, have released their 2nd album with "Jutland". A vacation in Denmark inspired this album. Beautiful atmospheric songs. - - The british band Salad have finally released their first real album (after a compilation of 3 EPs) called "Drink Me". Some of their songs are really excellent, and we'll be out to see them live in two weeks. That's the most interesting release(d) news of the last weeks. In addition I can only recommend zapping channels during the commercial breaks in X-Files. We were lucky to catch an acoustic performance of Heather Nova on a Dutch channel that way, which I will remember as the Heather's "my guitar cord is charing" performance. :) Cheers, Klaus _____ Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge take a trip on a rocket ship, baby klaus@inphobos.wupper.de the sea is the sky - Tori Amos ------------------------------ From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 21:20:56 CET-1 Subject: concert review: Sara Craig in Cologne Sunday night Claudia and I had the pleasure to see Sara Craig perform at the Luxor in Cologne/Germany. It was her first tour in Germany, consisting of only 4 gigs (this being the last), to promote the local release of "Sweet Exhaust". Right now she's pretty unknown over here, so I consider the assembled audience of 120 relatively large. It was nice to have some space for a change, as the last concerts we've seen there (Bobo and Heather Nova) were extremely packed. Sara was accompanied by three musicians: - - a drummer, who switched to keyboard on some of the slower songs and did some percussion as well - - a tall and very thin guitarist, who often used a violin bow with his guitar - - an excellent bassist, who was playing a 6-string most of the time In fact all three musicians were very good, and also the sound engineer did an great job. The music sounded excellent; the songs were very diverse and rhythmically interesting. Most of the songs I liked better live than on the album. Sara, with short black hair, was wearing a long black dress. The program booklet of the Luxor was talking about a charismatic performer; I don't know where she left her charisma that night. Nevertheless her singing was really good. She has excellent control of her voice and used it well on very different songs. Surprises included a cover of Joni Mitchell's "This Flight Tonight" and an acapella gaelic song as the first encore. Apart from those I'm not certain with some of the songs whether they are from the current album or maybe something new. The audience was very supportive and Sara promised to come back in autumn for some more concerts. While I had the chance, I also put my name and address on the Sara Craig Mailing List. If she's really coming back in a couple of months, we'll surely try to see her again. BTW, the show was filmed for VIVA (the german MTV clone), but the coverage of it we've was only 2 or 3 minutes, including a short interview though. ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.wupper.de \ ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:29:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Sinead with hair? (on the Late Show) At around 10:42 AM on 5/18/95, Laurel Krahn wrote: >And I'm not really yelling at Jason... just yelling in general 'cuz it's >annoying to me that people think Rod Stewart is the originator of the song.... Like that "Rod Stewart classic", Downtown Train? :) Ah, well. I suppose Tom Waits made more in royalties off that song because of Stewart's limp cover than I'll make in my lifetime. - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@helix.net 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Thu, 18 May 95 16:48:04 EDT Subject: Cracks in the primrose bangpath and other stories I can't think of a better argument that could be advanced before the Illinois General Assembly (which someone once characterized as the "finest 12th Century minds" extant) on behalf of cooperation between Chicago and downstate than this post--and the fact it's going out at all. When the direct connections between this area and the Carolina Toasternet proved to be wonky--dropping themselves after very short periods of time, if that much--I was able to ameliorate things by getting onto my other freenet account in Urbana and telnetting back out from there. Clearly, simple routing is not always best :-). WRT spring music: Amid all the other stresses of the moment, I forgot to mention yesterday that the very first number to hit my consciousness after reading Amy's initial call for examples was "The Lusty Month of May," from the musical "Camelot." Considering that in this area, at least, there wasn't much spring until the middle of this month, it seems singlularly appropriate :-). Having been informed that it's the fistula in Jewel's guitar that makes it such a conversation piece, I started wondering whether someone's idea of a cheap publicity stunt will be to have her do a concert at the Liberty Bell? Having thought of that, I then started wondering if such a shtick would be rightfully lampooned on the cover of _Cracked_ magazine (a cheap imitation of _Mad_)? :-) When will I think of something to write in these pages that I don't feel constrained to follow with a smiley? WRT MJM on the cancellation of _MSCL_: There seems to be a strange internal logic, at least to me, in describing David Caruso as the redhead who quit _NYPD Blue_. Maybe after the few episodes of MSCL that live on have had cult status on the off-network syndie circuit for enough years, someone will have the imagination to bring _My So-called Life: The Next Generation_ into the world :-). In memory of Elizabeth Montgomery. Mitch ------------------------------ From: kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Date: Thu, 18 May 95 15:11:56 CDT Subject: re: spring Hey folks! Amy brought up a wonderful subject! For those of us in the Northern climes it sure is nice to see the grass turning green as can be and the trees starting to leaf out in the nice bright sunshine! It is a great time of the year indeed. Gives me a chance to plug a couple of personal favorite artists also... ;-) One of my fave springtime CD's without question is Pat Metheny's _Letter From Home_. Most of the album has this light and airy sound to it that always has an uplifting effect on my mood. The tracks "Every Summer Night" and "Spring Ain't Here" come immediately to mind. And I think Pat was being a bit face- tious with the latter song title. It sure sounds springlike to me! Perhaps with a tinge of longing to it... And the album does have it's melancholy moments. The song "Dream of the Return" definately has a sadness to it with Pedro Aznar's Spanish lyrics that I believe he also sings on the track. One of the rare songs that Metheny includes vox. It fits for Springtime too because it sure sounds like a love song to me even though I do not understand the Spanish. And we all know that spring and love go together, right? Anyway, _Letter From Home_ is great stuff. Another one I thought I would mention is Loreena McKennitt's _The Visit_. The springtime connection is pretty much a personal association though. I remember I bought the CD in the early spring about 2 years ago and the first time I listened to it, it was a Sat. morning with a light rain coming down. It was a very quiet morning with just the sound of the rain and Loreena. Perfect. Many people may associate this album with the Fall time of the year but it will always remind me of that spring morning. That's all for now... Kev I Heard An Old Voice Say `Don't Go Far From The Land The Seasons Have Their Way No Mortal Can Understand' --Loreena McKennitt "Courtyard Lullabye" ------------------------------ From: Rob Eubanks Date: Thu, 18 May 95 15:29:50 CDT Subject: Re: Chaos and football On Wed, 17 May 1995 11:39:13 -0700 Jerene said: >5/16/95 Rob Eubanks wrote: >>Also, just as fractal geometry >>and the chaos theory have found repeating form and order within apparent >>randomness/disorder, maybe an equivalent concept can be found for the >>"random sounds" we hear every day. > >Is the mathematical form really out there or is it something our >pattern-seeking minds impose on randomness? > Well, from what I've read, the scientists/mathematicians making the various, independent discoveries giving rise to the "chaos" theory weren't really looking for the patterns that they found. One meterologist(sp?) made his discovery quite by accident, and his conclusions were contrary to everything he'd previously been taught, accepted or even expected. Anyway, "Chaos" by James Gleich, is a good intro. to this theory for any of you who might be interested. I'm just beginning to get into it myself. Its been applied in a variety of fields. From its beginnings in the "pure" sciences, it is currently influencing research in the social sciences, such as economics and political science. In fact, a former professor of mine, Al Neely, will shortly be delivering a paper concerning the possible relevance of the theory to the legal profession (at some conference in Italy, I believe). Anyway, to those of you who value interdisciplinary skills, "chaos" is a subject well worth exploring. Well, its time for me to leave. But before I do, I'd like to tell you folks the artists whose work I've sampled as a direct result of the various discussions here on ecto: Victoria Williams (also saw her in concert) Kate Bush (believe it or not I'd never heard of her before) Dead Can Dance Loreena McKennit Jewel Laurie Anderson Others, such as October Project, Happy Rhodes (I've only "Rearmament" left to get), Maire Brennan, Enya, and a few others, I already knew of. I can't say I like Laurie A. that much, but the rest I like a lot. I'm about to try Rose Chronicles, and an artist that was mentioned recently if I can find any of her stuff nearby. Ecto has, indeed, been a bit hard on my wallet. For you new folks to the list, this seems to be a commonly shared consequence of subscribing to ecto :-) . Oh well, good-bye! - --Rob ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sinead with hair? (on the Late Show) > The song was written by Van Morrison years ago. Wow.... I wasn't aware of the fact that the song was written by Van. I guess I should give him *some* credit. ;) I guess that's why he was so comfortable singing the song. Maybe he was a little too comfortable which ended up making the song sound less emotional than it could have been. > Van was hamming it up a bit too much last night, but rest assured that his > original rendering of it is a thousand times better than Rod Stewart could > ever sing it. > And I'm not really yelling at Jason... just yelling in general 'cuz it's > annoying to me that people think Rod Stewart is the originator of the song.... I apologize for my ignorance. At least I now know who was the actual author of the song is. Knowledge gained is always an attribute to growth.... and thus I grow. > I thought Sinead looked well. You thought so? I think Sinead looks better with hair, but she didn't look all that well. She was pale and almost sickly looking. She seemed frail compared to her former self. She might be doing speed or something. :) (j/k) Well, that's all for now... talk to you folks later! Jason ------------------------------ From: "r. n. dominick" Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 23:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I just read the STUPIDEST thing... ...according to an article in the newspaper, a local station is treating Jill Sobule's "I Kissed A Girl" as an R-rated song (?!) and is airing a "parental warning" with enough time for listeners to shut off their radios if they don't want to hear it. (One heartening note: in a four-hour time given to listeners to call in and express opinions on the song, over 75% of them were in favor of still playing it.) Also, it won't be played in the "kid hours" -- 6 to 11 pm. If osculation is an R-rated act, then most of the movies ever made had better be reclassified. Sigh. Sometimes, I really wonder about living in Cincinnati. In sort-of related news, yet another convention has relocated from Cincinnati's convention hall in protest over the recent upholding of Issue 3. Yet another multi-million dollar loss to the city and downtown in general. Maybe someday they'll get the message. Sigh. - -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: mapravat@prairienet.org (Mitchell A. Pravatiner) Date: Thu, 18 May 95 16:45:20 CDT Subject: A thought in passing Any late-night-Talk-watchers besides me get to wondering whether Sinead O'Connor (whose act I slept thru, alas) has been given temporary custody of Bruce Willis' hair? :-) Mitch ------------------------------ From: Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) Date: Thu, 18 May 95 22:17:08 -0800 Subject: mae moore wow... this is sort of a thank you to neil for mentioning mae moore. i can't believe she's just across the water here and i didn't know about her! i went to the local music store like neil suggested and found two of her albums, "oceanview motel" and the new "dragonfly" and they're both growing on me exponentially. i think i like om best so far , but you certainly can't beat the *packaging* of dragonfly! :) this is great - two local music dealers are having something of a price war, so i figure i'd better get my buying over with for a while... i also picked up 10,000 maniacs' "the wishing chair", phil collins' "face value" and clouds, an old album by joni mitchell.. and i think i'll be going back for more (moore) at the next opportunity! can someone give me a discography for mae moore? i'd like to find some other stuff by her. just a short ramble :) Damon (listening to "red clay hills" now... love this song) - -- \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@acca.nmsu.edu \ / can any human being ever reach |/||\| that kind of light?" Vancouver, BC, CANADA `' - Indigo Girls, ------------------------------ From: doylem@iia.org (M.Doyle) Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:00:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Margot Smith > > On Mon, 15 May 1995 awphili@xs4all.nl wrote: > > > > > Listening to this album made me wonder if it is true that songs featuring > > the sound of a thunderstorm tend to be the closing song of an album. I > > One of my favorite albums, Vangelis's _Soil Festivities_, *begins* with a > thunderstorm, and figures in the background throughout the first piece > (which is about fifteen minutes long). One of *my* favorite albums, Area's _The Perfect Dream_ begins with a thunderclap on both the first and second songs. I don't know if it qualifies, but the last song on U2's _Joshua Tree_, "Mother's of the Disappeared" always seemed to have a thunderstorm quality to it, though I'm not sure it includes actual thunder and rain. (Don't have the CD at hand to check it out) M. Doyle ========= Man creates noise; only God can create silence ------------------------------ From: David Dalton Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 1:24:13 UTC-0700 Subject: Jewel's guitar - --=_E?0'uOUMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sometimes when layers of varnish are put on too quickly or thickly the accumulated laminate will become brittle and crack, which shouldn't matter at all if it is at a clamped acoustic node but which might add subtle characteristics to the tone if it is allowed to move and act as a secondary line source. But yes, Jewel is a hell of a fingerpicker for her age, she must have started young, maybe there isn't much else to do in alaska. Also maybe the finish crack runs against the grain of the wood so is less likely to tranmit into the wood. If it was parallel to the bridge then it wouldn't focus the surface waves as well, depending on the curvature, thickness and properties of the wood in between. This may be hard to compute without the use of saddle point asymptotic ray techniques. But that opens wide a whole new can of worms, and my math skills aren't riding too high at the moment, so above I'm just spreading it. Maybe I could do better with my books, under pressure. You know, a guitar breathes! - --=_E?0'uOUMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 - --=_E?0'uOUMT-- ------------------------------ From: nightwol@dircon.co.uk (Steve Fagg) Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:00:33 +0100 Subject: Gone but not Forgotten Dept. Although they are no longer on the list, I'm sure many current Ectophiles will remember with much affection Ynve Hauge and Beth Perry who will both be celebrating their birthday on Sunday. - -- Steve Fagg a.k.a. Nightwol ( 'phone: +44-1279-402437 ) ( s.l.fagg@bnr.co.uk (work) nightwol@dircon.co.uk (home) ) *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 07:20:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Cracks in the primrose bangpath and other stories On Thu, 18 May 1995, Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: Mitch writes: > In memory of Elizabeth Montgomery. :-( yes...a favorite of mine since childhood. ...and Alexander Godinov (sp?). Vickie ps. Samantha never once moved her nose...she wiggled her *mouth*. (How come no one ever agrees with me about that?) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #112 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu