From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #109 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 16 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 109 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Jardon Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 14:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Happy Rhodes in June? I was just wondering if Happy might be playing somewhere in the Northeast in June. I know she does a lot of shows in upstate New York and thought there might be another one coming up. I'll be out that way from about June 1 until June 15. Thanks, Martin ------------------------------ From: Valerie_Nozick_at_tms-chicago-pc@tribune.com (by way of chip-l@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck )) Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 15:42:21 -0500 Subject: Ectogathering Because Kate's birthday is only a month away... Because Spring is almost here... Because Valerie finally has a home... Because...well, just because... We've decided to host an ectogathering in Chicago! So come one, come all, to Chip's place (address will be provided via email) on Sunday, May 28 (that's the day before Memorial Day) for great ecto companionship, fuzzy blue drinks, exciting music and Lots of Weird Stuff. We'll provide the main dish and fuzzy blue drinks -- the rest will be potluck. Just contact one of us (email addresses at bottom), and we'll let you know what to bring. Or get creative and conjure up a new Happy dish. Just lettuce know. (Valerie made me do that!) The official start time is 2pm, but expect the fiesta to continue throughout the evening. So mark your calendar. Buy your plane ticket (hint, hint). A boopshoobie time is guaranteed for all! ==> Valerie & Chip valerie: vnozick@tribune.com chip: chip-l@nwu.edu ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 13:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Margot Smith On Mon, 15 May 1995 awphili@xs4all.nl wrote: > > Listening to this album made me wonder if it is true that songs featuring > the sound of a thunderstorm tend to be the closing song of an album. I One of my favorite albums, Vangelis's _Soil Festivities_, *begins* with a thunderstorm, and figures in the background throughout the first piece (which is about fifteen minutes long). D^2 ------------------------------ From: Michael K Curry Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 19:09:31 +0059 (EDT) Subject: PJ & Jewel on TV! Hi all, I just wanted to alert everyone to the fact that two talented women will be on late-night TV *tonight*! - P.J. Harvey on The Tonight Show - Jewel on Late Night with Conan O'Brian So set your VCRs (or stay up late)! Mike *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* | Michael Curry / mcurry@world.std.com / CIS: 70372,3563 | |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++smoe+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| | Reaching-From-Nowhere -- The Milla Mailing List | | reaching-from-nowhere-request@world.std.com | *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Tue, 16 May 95 09:31:14 +1000 Subject: Re: At a party last night... > ...I played my copy of "Coma" to the other people there. There were a lot > of positive comments, and much handing round of the cover. :) I should scan the EP and album covers for the world at large, now that I have access to a 1600dpi color scanner. Anyone interested? Anyone care to give me an idea what minimum dpi is acceptable? (The PC the scanner is attached to barfed when I tried to do a 300dpi scan of a CD sleeve; I think the poor beastie virtual-memoried itself to death :-). > Apparently it's being played on radio stations here now. About time! :) > Perhaps you could pass on these comments to Max when you next see her, > Anthony? :) Will do, though she's based in Sydney, so I don't run into her often. - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 17:38:00 +0000 Subject: stolen guitars :-( What's the deal with the DIE-JEST? kinda slow I guess.... hmm.. Anyway... In reference to the Cranberries show / two posts about Dolores O'Riordon's (forgive if I've misspelled her last name) stolen guitar - WHAT COMPLETE SCUMBAGS! Being a musician myself, I can completely sympathize with the grief and anger that she must be feeling at this point. As some of you fellow musicians can attest, your instrument is an extension of your body sometimes, especially when it is a custom guitar! I would feel totally invaded, violated, and very very very pissed off. The same thing happened to Brian May (of Queen fame) years ago - and the custom guitar stolen was (if I'm not mistaken) the one Brian built with his father way back when. To the best of my knowledge, the original guitar was never recovered - he ended up replacing it with an "identical" copy. What greedy m*th*f*....(you get the idea) fan would steal the guitar from a band or musician they like? It's such a personal thing... Okay okay...I'm getting carried away here. I'm sorry to hear the concert was ruined by the stupidity of the few (or many as in this case). I think I mentioned here my getting clobbered a few times at the Throwing Muses show because of the gangly youngsters moshing in the front row. What a stupid trend to have been resurrected! I thought that crap went out with Black Flag and the Sex Pistols! Dancing and moving around to music is one thing, but IMO the Cranberries are not exactly the band to mosh to...... oh well... we are a silly species sometimes. **************************************************************************** ******************** **************************************************************************** ******************** NEW TOPIC!!!! I'm pretty thrilled that the weather is finally warming up here in the beautiful city of Chicago - so that brings to mind thoughs of summertime. Sorry to those who live in Australia or NZ - we've paid our dues this year. What songs, artists, and/or albums do you all associate with this wonderful season, and why? Just an informal poll.... but not an unpleasant topic! I'll post mine tommorrow since I have to get back to work.... :-) Let's get some of you lurkers out on this one....come on.. ANYTHING GOES on this one..... not necessarily ecto-bands or artists - just for fun, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- BTW.... I passed by a place called "Happy Taco" yesterday.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- "...if I raise my arm for the roll call will i be present and accounted for if i choose to walk with my brothers i will do it as a sister..." HR Amy ------------------------------ From: David Dalton Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 19:09:10 UTC-0700 Subject: Music West notes [long, in G] Since I had two ex-ubc friends visiting this weekend I didn't get a Music West conference festival wristband and do the all-out club-hopping thing, but I did catch a few promising acts worthy of mention on here. However, I missed lots of people you will have heard about, such as Ani diFranco (heard her at the folk fest last year), Jann Arden, Jewel Kilcher (has she covered Cher?), Taste of Joy (heard them earlier in the week, and for those on ecto, check out this new Nettwerk band led by Michelle Gould formerly of Lava Hay), Babe Gurr (heard her at the benefit at the Vogue in december, good), Shannon Moore and Deep Julia (look out, world), Veda Hille, and oodles and oodles more. For those I did catch... On Friday I and the visiting Ph.Ds (short for Phone D) went to the Railway more for ambiance and beer but when we got there Tippy Agogo and band were going full tilt, to the largest audience of the night, and I semi-jokingly called them "urban tribal". Good stuff, gets the old heart envelope back in phase with the breath. Next Sandra Lockwood came on, and wasn't really coming through to the back of the bar, so I moved up for a listen and decided she has some promise but the band and arrangements still need some work, and maybe some strings or backup vocals would help. My friends didn't like her too much and being industry/academic types fresh from a week of conference drinking in Calgary, were fading and dragged me away (actually I could have stayed but wanted to save my energies for Sat/Sun). On the way out a guy, I think "Mr Jones and the Previous" was delivering voice and guitar in a rapid patter, not too bad but wasn't breathing properly or spacing things, which even Mr. Jones must do when manic if he wants to live a long life. (talk about keeping up with the Joneses) But I didn't hear too much of the set. On Saturday, friends and I did brunch at Sophie's Cosmic Cafe, afternoon beer and cookies at the Railway, Yale jam tail end, Yaletown Brew Pub for the benefit of one friend, who likes, then, mainly due to a phone call from one of the performers, was pleasantly surprised by a relatively new venue, the Treehouse Lounge in the St. Regis Hotel, across from the Railway Club. It has good wood/feel/aspect ratio/acoustics/ambience, reasonable beer prices, pleasant staff, and an interesting clienteel, and supports mainly local artists. During the festival it was fairly crowded, probably outside that time it is a bit more relaxed and may have a bit different crowd, but I plan to go back someday soon anyway. The friend who had phoned me, Danielle French, was up first, with backup vocal (and one co-lead) and guitar from Jenny Allen, who I have mentioned on FTE before. Both are from Calgary or nearby and have spent much time in Vancouver and nearby. Danielle has a clear, high voice, but with a unique sort of roll to it, I won't describe her as like anybody. Jenny has an equally passionate angelic voice, slightly lower. Danielle gets better every time I hear her, they started out with a noisy crowd, a touch tentative but had the crowd eating out of their hands before long; the opening set is always the hardest but they set the room aglow. Danielle's tuning humour is getting better but still could use some work. She just released a CD which features guests from bands such as Sarah McLachlan band, Mae Moore band, Spirit of the West, and maybe Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts and Blue Rodeo. (I didn't buy it yet, feel bad about that since I spent more than $13 on beer, but will get it on the 26th and maybe review it and post mail order info.) But I'm completely unpoetic (drye) so far this month and didn't take notes, except musical ones (and if ear...). Next up was a new discovery, from Toronto, Kathryn Rose and her band Wind May Do Damage (what's that in french?). At first I didn't like her too much but that's probably because of the new face factor. Also her band didn't seem to be together and properly behind her at the start, but really gelled later on. This may partly be sound problems, or stage jitters (a video crew came in for the first part). After the video crew left, they cut loose more. Ms. Rose is a powerful torch singer, great projection, with some sax/keys/guitar/bass/drums backup, some backup vocals from the guitarist which worked OK despite the fact that he is male (for all those on FTE who think male backup vocals are cheesy). The lyrics were mostly fun, not too complicated, bluesy/r&b style, but delivered with passion, the voice rang through the room and inside my head even. I could have schmoozed afterwards but didn't because I'm no longer booking people, and am restricting my cd purchases for a while, and besides others kept her sort of busy. So anyway I'll watch for her in future, a growing fire. Then there was a folk quartet, Imaginary Heaven, from Ottawa I think, two voices, harp/keys, guitar. Now I liked them but they didn't fit the crowd/time/venue quite right, perhaps would have worked better if they preceeded Ms. Rose (any relation to Jim Rose?) since she had the crowd worked up. Also they could have used more intrumentla solos woven with the vocal harmonies, the instruments stuck to mostly a simple rhythm with the voice rather than lofting the voices ever higher by the instrumental matrix. Of the instruments I liked the sound of the keyboard best for some reason, the harp was Ok but a little tinkly, at the time I visualised how the sounding board could have a side-to-side S ccurve, like one of those amazon bows, i.e., a warp curve, and that might do something to the acoustics. The crowd was a bit noisy so I didn't get a good listen, and would probably hear them again but not go too far out of my way to do so. After this my second friend left (the first had faded away before their set, also earlier we had left after Danielle's set to go to the Piccadilly to hear the tail end of Deep Julia and then Taste of Joy, but my friends balked at paying a second cover plus I had heard them before so we went back after a brief sidewalk listen). Up last was lyrical chanteuse Holly McNarland (not sure where she's from, I hope Vancouver). I forget if she performed solo or with a band, I think a band but she was playing some strong guitar too, bobbing about, controlling the crowd with her smooth but piercing voice. Now her voice didn't move me _quite_ as much as Kathryn Rose's but her lyrics moved me a good bit more, in an unexpected direction to some mother's day hol[l]y water (from the ice [eyes]) on one occasion. So she knocked me down (but not down) and I recommend her stuff, not sure if there is a CD yet (but if so then you should all buy at least one), didbn't stick around, should have since the Railway was an animal house by that time, worse than new year's :-) . (For sardines, "auntie mary, has a cannery, up the leg of her drawers" so the Railway was cannery row, the treehouse more along the lines of the lady of the lake.) Then I went over to The Railway at 1:30 to catch Colin Hay, who must be/have been in Men at Work since he did their "I come from a land down under" (appropriate for Mother's Day if it's a hairy marshland, not a mars land) tune. When I got there the place was packed and hot, Hay (whey, hay, up she rises...I'm on my whey home, I thought, but already had A Dos Equis with two lime bits in it, my 5th bevy) seemd tired, not into it/not in control of the crowd, but really was setting them up for the later stuff. I moved up along the side, started doing my usual circular energy visualization tricks to get the music going in the head, but then remembered that for Banshee Reel last year I had to reverse the loop directions. Since Hay is from down under I did that as well, and then he coincidentally (second half of his set) took over, winning the crowd over completely. So he was good, but his voice didn't really get inside me like some, so I wouldn't run around to hear him. Sunday night late I dropped in on a songwriter's roundtable workshop at the Railway with Rob Wilsonn, Archie Roach, Carmaig DeForest and Thomas McKay. The format was a touch stilted and the crowd small and intimate, so they weren't as motivated or momentum-ized as they would be normally in a good crowd (or A&R crowd) full set situation. But they were all good, and I got to think about songwriting a bit, and change some words here and there in my head as usual (let me putt it to you...). Rob Wilson, whose card I have from my booking days, and who lives in the same housing co-op as my yoga teacher, had the voice that impressed the most, he certainly wouldn't be a cheesy male backup (fte-ers), although some others had better lyrics or better guitar work or better stage moves and banter, it all adds up. And I discovered that 5 beer on an empty-ish stomach has more effect than the 5 on a fuller (brush?) stomach the night before. (And I ended up having to use my ma-stir-card, not sure what that number entails, whereas the visa number ends in 955.) Plus a certain med taken all early in the day instead of distributed left me with a puffy (mother's day) gut and ice cream temperature hands (useful in August?). Enough, I'm as cold as slow molasses :-) and drye as good wine. So anyway, Music West is a good time for you to all come visit. The above is pretty much an unedited ramble so most TypOs are nunintentional. David D. fte-p.s. John, I like peaches better than preaches, and with ice cream, not flambee. Is the u in in the movie title The Colour Purple? (for some reason early saturday I had the purple/orange blues) ecto-p.s. Lass word: And who would be the lass to know? (Check The Freedom Sessions for the answer.) (Or maybe that Count(y) Down tune from Van Morrison & The Chieftains) ?: Northwest passage ---> hand of franklin? --> me, go fly a kite? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Sherm) Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Moshing ... I remember when the 10,000 Maniacs played at my college. It was one of the last shows with Natalie, *pant pant*... but anyways... people where moshing in the front, so she told them to stop because it wasn't appropriate. When they didn't, she stopped singing and left the stage. Oy Boy.... oh, and when I saw TMBG a few weeks ago, they got pissed when people started moshing. Geez... moshing is all well and good if you are at a metallica concert, but c'mon! Chris ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: insides new purchase-- insides, "euphoria". this is a pretty good album, 4ad-ish (actually it is 4ad/guernica) with a mix of sort of ambient background stuff. sometimes the backgound stuff is a bit much, but the lead singer's voice sounds rather like caroline crawley. oh, the pain of my bank account. by the way, is that mae moore album out in the us yet? i think i missed that part of the recent post. also, has anyone seen the kendra smith album yet? chandra "she's got puddin' in the oven" --tori ------------------------------ From: "M. Doyle" Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: spring sounds Albums I associate with spring? Charlatans UK "Between 10th & 11th" without a doubt. Only because I bought in spring, just when the windows came open. Breathing in the new air and spinning the disc over and over formed an unbreakable bond -- even though I'm not huge on the Charlatans. Spring also brings to mind Michael Hedges' "Taproot," but that association, I think, is more logical... Michael PS oo. Laurie Anderson, "Big Science" harkens to spring (same reason as Charlatans) ------------------------------ From: "Lundgren, Chad" Date: Mon, 15 May 95 22:18:23 CDT Subject: Moshing and stuff... 'Lo all, On the subject of moshing. There's a time and a place people... Artist Moshing No Moshing - --------------------------------------------------------- 1) NIN X 2) Tori Amos X 3) Anthrax X 4) 10,000 Maniacs? X 5) Cranberries X *I could just imagine being body passed during "21" or "Linger"...not 6) Lambchop (puppet) X *Then again, maybe that's just me..... The point is, I am not totally against the idea of moshing. Ask Valerie or Steve or Vickie. They'll let you know. I'm a pretty big guy. I went to the Marilyn Manson/Hole/NIN concert a while back and this girl waiting in line next to us waiting to get in kinda latched onto us. So we were kind of toward the front of the group for MM and there was moshing taking place. This girl was getting hammered. Her hair was being pulled thid way and that. Not quite moshing material. So myself and my friend took it upon our selves to try and buffer what was going on around her. Some people just don't take into account that they're hurtin people that aren't interested in participating. Needless to say, we made it through MM and Hole, but we opted out for NIN. A wise decision I might add. If you mosh, mosh responsibly people. Thank you. On the subject of an Ectogathering: I feel the quickening.....there can be only one. Oh, wrong gathering. I'm up for it. Although it depends on two variables My mother may require surgery in the next couple of weeks. There's always something wrong with her nowadays. If she does have surgery, then we won't be able to go to my cousin's graduation on that weekend. Then, depending how my mother feels, I'd love to go! I'll need directions from Val or somebody (hopefully using trains that work ;). I'll let you know as soon as I do. Thanks all. Chad Chad Lundgren--------->lundgren_c@music.lib.matc.edu 2211 N. Newhall St. ************************************************* Milwaukee, WI 53202 *"Bumbie's mom is...AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!" * * -Skippy (Animaniacs) * *HUGS* and *PONGS* ************************************************* for all!!! * "Taz like Dingo" * * -Taz (Taz-Mania) * ************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Emily Breed Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Moshing ... On Mon, 15 May 1995, Sherm wrote: > Geez... moshing is all well and good if you are at a metallica concert, > but c'mon! When Dave and I saw Jonathan Richman a few months ago, there was a one man mosh pit. Boy was he annoying. And he was one of those who get annoyed when you point out that they're hitting people when they flail about... ObMoremusic: Don't think either one of us said anything about the Steven Yerkey Trio/SF Seals concert a couple of Fridays ago. Very good show. The opening band was okay, not great, but they show some potential. S.Yerkey et al were terrific, as usual, even if he didn't sing the song about how "it rains so hard in Texas it makes the car alarms go off..." SF Seals were surprisingly good, considering their regular drummer was out sick and the replacement had practiced with them for less than a day. All in all, it was well worth the $5 price. Ectophiles who are in the area should probably keep an eye out for more of this concert series - the price is certainly right. - -- Emily ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Yup, Jewel made it on Conan Well, Jewel made it onto Conan, during the traditional last 5 minutes. She did "Who Will Save Your Soul" and sounded as good as when I saw her back at the beginning of the year.... Jeff ------------------------------ From: justicek@edge.ercnet.com (Kim Justice) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 00:51:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Moshing ... It's kind of funny when moshing breaks out at a They Might Be Giants show, because John & John actually get kind of scared... kj - -- justicek@edge.ercnet.com (Kim Justice) "Where there's smoke, there's work." -- Firesign Theatre ------------------------------ From: dkastens@titan.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Dirk Kastens) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 08:59:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Margot Smith Hi, Dave Dixon wrote: > > One of my favorite albums, Vangelis's _Soil Festivities_, *begins* with a > thunderstorm, and figures in the background throughout the first piece > (which is about fifteen minutes long). Yes, great album. I sold my vinyl copy years ago and haven't bought it on CD, yet :-( Another thunder song is Rupert Hine's Dark Windows from Waving Not Drowning. He modulated the thunder rhythmically and played the piano thereon. The song is in the middle of the album. Regards, - -- Dirk ______D.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE______ ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 02:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Moshing ... On Mon, 15 May 1995, Emily Breed wrote: > ObMoremusic: Don't think either one of us said anything about the > Steven Yerkey Trio/SF Seals concert a couple of Fridays ago. Very good > show. The opening band was okay, not great, but they show some > potential. I thought they were pretty good, though their tape doesn't really deliver. By the way, "they" refers to a duo with the unfortunate name of "Rekless Abandon" (yes, without the "c" in Reckless, a la Def Leppard). They're a guy on acoustic guitar and a woman on lead vocals with a definite Lynn Canfield vibe (at least to me) but with a better voice. They're currently based in San Diego, so maybe some of our downstater Ectophiles have heard more about them. I got their tape, "Upon Your Departure," which only has five songs on it. One, "Stussy's Groove," is darned good-- thinking about having it as part of my HBP submission this year-- but the others are middling to blah. Still, like Em says, they show potential. Hopefully they'll drop the faux-thrash band name. Anyway, rumor has it that Barbara Manning (who was Liz Phair when Liz Phair wasn't cool) will be playing on the east coast in the not-too-distant future. Someone posted dates on alt.music.alternative.female recently, but I didn't get them recorded for posterity, so if you're interested in seeing some honest-to-goodness kickass chick'n'roll, look there. Had too many Long Island Iced Teas for this evening, D^2 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #109 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu