From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #104 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 10 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 104 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damon Harper Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 04:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: sailing songs On Tue, 9 May 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: > it's time for a new tape (or two) of songs having to do with sailing, Dad > being quite the avid sailor, spending as many of his weekends as possible > out on Chesapeake Bay. > > So whaddya think, folks, any thoughts? > > Jeff > (who can't think of a single appropriate Happy Rhodes song... :-/) > hmmm... well, the one song that springs to mind for me is "he is sailing" from jon (anderson, of yes fame) and vangelis' "private collection" album. lovely ethereal type music. not necessarily hard core ecto, but i thought i'd mention it nonetheless :) damon (who can't either - or do the "glub glub" watery noises on "the issue is" count? ;) \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@helix.net \ / can any human being ever reach nomad@acca.nmsu.edu |/||\| that kind of light?" Damon_Harper@real.life `' - Indigo Girls, "Galileo" ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 04:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: sailing songs On Wed, 10 May 1995, urs the human cat wrote: > > (who can't think of a single appropriate Happy Rhodes song... :-/) > > "Mother Sea", of course! :) doh... wish i'd read this before i sillified myself replying that i couldn't think of any... heh :) \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@helix.net \ / can any human being ever reach nomad@acca.nmsu.edu |/||\| that kind of light?" Damon_Harper@real.life `' - Indigo Girls, "Galileo" ------------------------------ From: Ilka Heber Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:18:36 EST Subject: *THANK YOU*!! Hi there, I just wanted to say "thank you" to everybody who wrote and was willing to help me finding that CD I was looking for in Canada. Neile Graham (hi, Neile!) will be so kind and find that CD for me, so you don't need to write anymore. But this was certainly the proof once again that Ecto is the most wonderful place on the Net. Has anybody seen what's going on on RDT these days?? Gosh, it's *POOR*! Anyway, thanks a lot and lots of fuzzy *hugs* to everybody, Ilka = ) ------------------------------ From: AKyrlidis@mmt.com (Kyrlidis, Angelos) Date: Wed, 10 May 95 09:20:35 EST Subject: Shows update OK, I goofed. The innocence mission are playing at Jerky's which is located above Club Babyhead in Providence on Thursday, May 11th, the same day that the Nields are playing at the Paradise in Boston. The Nields will be opening for some other band at the Met cafe in Providence on the 18th. There was one more show I wanted to mention but I forgot... I will probably go see the Nields in Providence next week, so if other people are interested let me know! We got www/internet access here (of which only the www part is working now). Talk about a time sink. With a color pentium PC on my desk and direct access via Netscape, the possibilities for net-procrastination are endless :) Angelos PS. Chris Connely is playing at the Met Cafe on the 21st. I'll definitely catch that show. ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Wed, 10 May 95 11:02:59 -0400 Subject: Re: sailing songs >On Wed, 10 May 1995, urs the human cat wrote: >> > (who can't think of a single appropriate Happy Rhodes song... :-/) >> >> "Mother Sea", of course! :) > >doh... wish i'd read this before i sillified myself replying that i >couldn't think of any... heh :) Don't feel bad -- you had it right the first time, and Urs (amongst several people who pointed out "Mother Sea" to me) had it wrong. As my brother put it to me original, and as I stated in my request for help, the sailing references in the songs (or titles of songs...) must be explicit, not implicit. Songs about water might make great filler if we have more than enough for one tape but not enough for two, but such songs are necessarily on the back burner right now. The only way to turn "Mother Sea" into a 'sailing' song is to blow the "blew her sweet breath on me" out of proportion. And as far as I can tell, the character singing the song is land-side..."I remember the tears for a jellyfish / drowned in the sand..." Thanks, though for the suggestion, and the others folks have been pouring in. They're great! Now I have to start digging up some of the tracks! Jeff ------------------------------ From: Michael J Loftus Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:35:18 -0400 Subject: VW on CBC radio I spotted this last night in the CBC Radio www pages: (http://radioworks.cbc.ca if I remember correctly) Victoria Williams' concert from March 29 in Toronto will be aired on Saturday, June 3rd during the RealTime program. Plenty of advance notice... get those recorders ready. This is the same show that featured Jewel last Saturday (which I didn't hear - how was it?). Mike Loftus mjl9466@cs.rit.edu mloftus@interramp.com ------------------------------ From: mapravat@prairienet.org (Mitchell A. Pravatiner) Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:52:18 CDT Subject: Cybermolasses in May I can't help but wonder what the rains of the past 24 hours in this town have done to the telnet connections. The lag on the Carolina Toasternet today is approaching legendary proportions. On this other freenet it seems to come and go. I may survive in spite of myself :-). WRT Meredith's query: I too heard NPR's piece on the Urbana music scene the other morning. It looks like my backup cyberhome (which is also based in Urbana) is in a good environment. Unfortunately it has limitations of its own which make it unlikely to be able to completely replace my electronic pied-a terre Down Sout, as they used to say in Bridgeport :-). It does, _mirabile dictu_, have IRC--just when #ecto seems to have been abandoned en masse for the 4*10**?? walls of the ecto MUSH room. Talk about timing :-). I had meant to mention yesterday that the same (I think) issue of _Out_ that has all that other kewl stoff that's been mentioned in these pages also has a cover story on Sophie B. Hawkins, which is what prompted me to buy it in the first place, most of its usual content not being of interest. It does, for what it's worth, also have a copy of the picture from the new PETA calendar, featuring Melissa Etheridge and SO (about whom ME spilled the beans to _USA Weekend_ that her favorite show on the tube is _America's Funniest Home Videos_. Go figure :-) ). Let me be the umpteenth to extend kudos to Neile on the honorarium. Hope it still amounts to something after the translation into Yanqui dollars from Canadian ones :-). There's still some two dozen unread pieces of mail in my other reader, so it remains to be seen whether the amazing scenario has really come to pass that I'm not the umpteenth to suggest that Jeff include Happy's "MOther Sea" in his proposed compilation. There's also some potential, IMHO WIVH, in theose old rock chestnuts, "Sea Cruise" by whoever recorded that decades ago, and the E-Z listening piece by Bobby Darin whose title I have forgotten. Hopefully there won't be such desparation as to require the use of Christopher Cross' "Sailing." :-) Mitch ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 10 May 95 13:39:47 EDT Subject: DF I would have to echo the comments Neal said about DF s/t DF. This album is not very good at all. It was, however, very easy to find. Generally I though the songs were not very original or creative -- they were boring. I suppose I will give them another chance if I happen to find one of the other albums being suggested, but I would not go out of my way to get any more Disappear Fear albums based on this one. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News from M + M From the Martha & the Muffins mailing list. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 May 95 16:33:50 From: zz@rpc.glas.apc.org To: neile@u.washington.edu Subject: News from Martha and Mark! Muffins members!!! Exciting news! Martha and Mark have replied to the my fan letter (which was incorporated into Gleb's fax). A very gracious and uplifting response! To summarize the news: > For several years, they have been trying to convince BMG Canada to re-release their back catalogue on CD, and they suggest that letters from fans to BMG might help turn the tide. (Anybody here have the address?) > They will soon be getting the remaining copies of "Modern Lullaby" from EMI (Intrepid's distributor) and will sell them directly. > They are in the process of designing an Internet home page with a friend "who has been doing this for artists for a while." The page will include a biography, videography, album cover info, pictures, sound clips, etc. > Their newest recording project is "Songs from the Treehouse", a CD of children's songs written mostly by Martha. Their 2-year-old daughter Eve will make her recording debut on one of the songs "My Little Sister". > "Mark is hoping to do a solo album soon..." > They are continuing to write new songs, and there is also the possibility that they will re-record some of their classic songs as part of an updated compilation. They list the following return address: Muffin Music Ltd. P.O. Box 65137 Toronto, Ontario M4K 322 Canada All in all, it looks like a lot of exciting developments are in the wings! Ken ------------------------------ From: hayesja@tuns.ca Date: Wed, 10 May 95 18:20:33 -0300 Subject: Jane Siberry sings tv...? Frank (aa488@freenet.toronto.on.ca) wrote: >Hello siblings! This is my first posting to this list, having only >subscribed last week. So here goes: > >Has anyone else seen the tv commercial running presently for London Life >Insurance (Freedom 55)? It probably is only on Canadian tv. I >hadn't paid much attention to it until the other day I realized that the >voice singing in the background sounds an awful lot like Jane. Yes! I too have seen this commercial a number of times and believe that it is indeed Jane singing. The commercial is for London Life and is made to convey a sort of life-passing-before-our-eyes theme with moving color and black and white images interspersed together, narrating the story of a family through a number of years and some of the most important events in their lives (births, marriages, deaths, etc.) - a dramatized time-lapse sort of thing - quite melo-dramatic. Anyhow, the song runs throughout the full length of the ad (say for just under a minute or so) and is a really beautiful, haunting, ethereal, etc. piece with I'm sure Jane on vocals. It is almost on the lines of an Enya type song in its ambience and "floatyness" - really quite beautiful and atmospheric. I've seen it on a number of different channels here where I live, all Canadian of course. I don't recognize the song at all (and I'm very familiar with just about all of Jane's work), so I'm assuming that it was composed just for the ad - I wonder if there's some connection to the fact that Jane's father was at one time the president(?), CEO(?), or whatever of London Life Company, or was it Merryl Lynch...? Anyhow, there may be some connection there. I'm not 100% sure it's her singing, but I'm about 99% sure - after all, it is Jane we're talking about here and that voice is quite unmistakable right? Anyone else have any more info on this? Post away. Bye, Jeff Hayes hayesja@tuns.ca "I was there when you died at birth, and I was there when you were born again..." Cocteau Twins Sarah Barnes TUNS Halifax N.S., Canada barnessf@tuns.ca 902-422-1238 (fax/phone) ------------------------------ From: <@ESAMATC.LIB.MATC.EDU:LUNDGREN_C@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:23:21 -0400 Subject: re:sailing songs 'Lo there, Jane Sibbery's "Sail Across the Water" was a good choice, but you also missed "At the Beginning of Time" also from WIWAB. This is one of my favorites from that album... At the beginning of time Before there were waves We'd sit in our boats We'd float there all day I'd love to listen to this song while just floating on a raft. You could really let your mind go with that one. Chad Chad Lundgren--------->lundgren_c@music.lib.matc.edu 2211 N. Newhall St. ************************************************* Milwaukee, WI 53202 *"Bumbie's mom is...AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!" * * -Skippy (Animaniacs) * *HUGS* and *PONGS* ************************************************* for all!!! * "Taz like Dingo" * * -Taz (Taz-Mania) * ************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Colin Stuckless Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 19:02:03 -0230 Subject: Re: VW on CBC radio On Wed, 10 May 1995, Michael J Loftus wrote: > This is the same show that featured Jewel last Saturday (which > I didn't hear - how was it?). It was great, but much shorter than I had hoped. Jewel started by singing Pieces Of You, then they talked a bit, then she did Race Car Driver and talked some more and it ended with a non-live version of Who Will Save Your Soul. > Mike Loftus mjl9466@cs.rit.edu > mloftus@interramp.com Cheers, Colin Colin Stuckless colins@cs.mun.ca Memorial Univeristy of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~colins/ ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 10 May 95 14:20:50 EDT Subject: sailing happy songs Sorry, this is silly, but wouldn't S.O.S. qualify as a Happy song with at least tangential boating content? And of course there is always Sailing by criss-cross, which while by a non-ecto artist who is generally annoying, has always been a somg that I liked. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:10:00 +0000 Subject: it's just Wednesday... First off...to Mr. Lovejoy; I got you're meaning about the "meaning" = my eloquence was away from her desk yesterday during that post and I completely *ughed* over what you were saying. I agree with your point about music=human intervention. Most of the time I feel the same way. ************************************************************* Warning: whining ahead.... On the subject of the mediocrity of radio; I will quote Mr. Declan MacManus (aka. e costello) "...Radio is a sad salvation...". as the enlightened few, there is not much we can do with/about the disc jockeys themselves (can we even call them "dj's" since what they play is pretty much beyond their control in the major markets?). I think the key to "reforming" the major market radio stations is to hit them where they hurt, the program director via the sponsors. Imagine the terror growing in the heart of the program director who hears "..We're not going to buy ACME Widgets anymore because you don't play enough Happy Rhodes (or Jane Siberry, etc.) and we're going to call ACME Widgets and say that we are not listening to WSHiT because they don't play what we want" OKAY I'm exaggerating... but unfortunately I think that's what is going on here. At least in Chicago, I think 3 of the "big" so-called rock stations are owned by the same corporation. They are just little fish run by bigger fish run by a big fish who just loves to give the "kids" (or *ack* yuppies) what they want to hear - because they satisfy the advertisers. Nowdays it seems that the majority (IMO) of music-listeners nowdays, outside the ecto-universe, have short attention spans and fickle tastes. It seems to be just one "one hit wonder" after another, and what used to be called "alternative" is now only alternative to the techno-pop dance schtuff or hip-hop/rap (or eeepers... country...) on the other stations. The so called alternative sound really has a sameness to it, which is sad because I think that bands like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam are pretty decent (altho I could get off on another thread about them - but not here) we just don't need 10 of them doing the same thing (i.e. STP, Tool, etc.) College radio and some of the public radio outlets still offer hope - that's why I excluded them from my ranting. It was on a public radio affiliate that I first heard "Feed the Fire". Unsolicited praise and thanks to WCBE in Columbus Ohio, and their afternoon programming - best selection of music I've ever heard over the airwaves, everything from Happy Rhodes to Digable Planets (and an occasional Sam Phillips thrown in for good measure). All in all, best thing we can do is keep "feeding the fire" along the *ugh* information superhighway, spreading the word about the artists we love, and relishing the good radio when we can find it. When the Interplanetary-Culture-Police drop in for a visit, the rest-of-em will be vaporized and we will finally get what we've been waiting for! (yeah right....) .. . . . .. ;-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Finally, Stephanie was wondering if Jill Souble *was* or *wasn't*... I don't know, she might be bi . . or just writing about it in her song. I think Irvin (or someone) posted a little blurb about her a few digests back (you saw it, no?) I think "Kissed a Girl" is a sweet little song because it's kind of an "it's alright to have a crush on/kiss a girl - even if you like guys too" song . Ain't nothin wrong with that. :-) =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ I heard columnist Dear Abby on the radio this morning with the best quote I've heard in some time.. and I have to paraphrase it because I didn't write it down as she was speaking.. talking about the all too human "fear of change" ...but it was something to the effect of... "... how many of us, if our mother's water hadn't broken, would still be in the womb mulling over the decision to come out..." too true! Amy ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:10:02 -0500 Subject: Re: sailing songs Sailing songs? The Mary Ellen Carter by Stan Rogers, of course. There are probably other fine songs by Stan Rogers that would fit. I'm tempted to mention Michael Smith's "The Dutchman," just because it's one of the best songs ever-- but it's not really an *upbeat* sailing song. But it is* pretty. :) Also... Man O' War by Steve Schoenbaum is a lot of fun... Which reminds me that there are a lot of traditional sailing songs that are wonderful. A number of them have been recorded by Gallowglass (One of my favorite bands, an irish trio of sorts, from Minnesota)... Info on their cassettes, and lyrics for many fine sailing songs, are available on the Gallowglass home page at http://www.teleport.com/~bodhran/gg.shtml (the "s" is not a typo. Honest.) Also, Jane Siberry's "Sail Across the Water." The Waterboys' "Fisherman's Blues" (and other Waterboys songs, too, come to think of it). I'm thinking there are probably a number of good songs by the Pogues, Hothouse Flowers, and the Levellers which might apply. Tho I can't think of anything specific right now. Ooooh. That Lyle Lovett song ... I can never remember the exact title, but the chorus begins... And if I had a boat, I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony, I'd ride him on my boat... One of the greatest songs, really. I swear. Makes me smile every time. But then Lyle Lovett is just one of the coolest folks around, IMHO. (Have I mentioned that you can now email me at lakrahn@imho.net? IMHO, it's a highly cool domain. :) ) I'll probably think of a zillion sailing songs after I get home... Oh! Michelle Shocked's "Must Be Luff" is a *great* sailing song. :) Gosh, I'm almost tempted to do my own sailing tape now... Best, Laurel Krahn /// lakrahn@iw.net Director of Operations /// 800.386.IWAY Iway Internet Services /// info@iw.net Sioux Falls, South Dakota /// http://www.iw.net/ ------------------------------ From: Rob Eubanks Date: Wed, 10 May 95 18:05:07 CDT Subject: Re: sailing happy songs On 10 May 95 14:20:50 EDT you said: >Sorry, this is silly, but wouldn't S.O.S. qualify as a Happy >song with at least tangential boating content? And of course >there is always Sailing by criss-cross, which while by a non-ecto >artist who is generally annoying, has always been a somg that I liked. > >-mjm Speaking of non-ectoish sailing songs... "Pirates" by Emerson, Lake and Palmer was one that always got me thinking of sailing and the ocean. But, I suppose it depends on whether you want a sort of calming mood, or a high-spirited, adventurous one. Since I've always liked the ocean, (makes a whole hell of a lot of sense, me living in Missouri, doesn't it? :) But I used to be in the Navy...) I rather like both. - --Rob ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sailing songs Hi! Thought of another one -- "Atlantis", by Donovan. He's the featured artist on WFUV today, and I got more than my share of psychedelia during my commute this morning and evening! I did finally get to hear the original of "Wear Your Love Like Heaven", and concluded that Sarah McLachlan's version is far superior. ;> If you're looking for over-the-top woo-woo 60's flower-child babbling, the first half of "Atlantis" is about as good as you're going to find. Gack. (Apologies to any closet Donovan fans in the audience! :}) +=====================================================+ |Meredith Tar metdlpi.com |Boonton, NJ A finger ifoat: mtareagl.eslyan.u|+=======================================================| "Turnips dt invite fanbe o sit on rcouhs on se. | | -Ivin F. Lin | +======================================================+ Hey, now *that* was interesting! Can we say, Line Noise? I KNEW we could! Meredith meth@delphi.com ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:34:27 -0400 Subject: A refinement on the music/nature thread Hello all, I've been pondering a bit over the "what is music" thingy. Amidst all the thinking I was doing, I had a few lucky synaptic associations and thus concieved this particular crystalline concept of music. I was playing recently, and I had a flash of what was going on. Playing music is an amazing experience, for as you surrender yourself to the music, a part of you that was hidden steps to the fore and takes over. Call it the left brain, call it the soul, it is not the same part of me in which I usually live. The inspiration, the feeling well up in me from a new and different place and it guides the music. My ego taught my body the mechanics of playing the notes, but it is my soul that steps in and performs the music! To go a step further, what is happening is not a natural occurance (kind of like speech, an overlaid function!). A being producing music is doing so with purpose. What I define as music isn't the notes so much as the way the player shapes them. The ground rules are basically the same for everyone, the mathematical theory of Music is a constant; vibration as pitch and timbre. A Natural phenomenon. These sounds become music when the soul(s) producing them imbibe them with their lifeforce. Subtle nuances of inflection can change the sounds from mechanical to deeply spiritual. Understanding the matrix of music is an easy learning curve, but the more you learn the more you realize there is to learn. Acquiring technique and finesse is a lifelong objective of artists. And when playing the melodies, one surrenders that learning to the music, and the soul comes forth. This is what separates music from nature. Music exists within Nature, as a mathematical matrix of vibration, resonance, and resolution. Spontaneous sounds may occur in Nature which fit the matrix, such as several different vibrations which might happen to form a chord. It is when sentient beings deliberately set out to manipulate this matrix that music as I understand it occurs. Robert ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #104 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu