From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #80 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, 17 April 1995 Volume 02 : Number 080 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason and the tiny curly girl Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: net hookup? try ripco at 312-665-0065 $15 per month unlimited time, and for a one time $25 fee you can get TIA, which lets you use most slip services over the $15 account (they don't offer full slip, but mosaic and all will work fine). jason Jason & Jill Greshes-Philadelphia,PA-jgreshes@netaxs.com-jgreshes@dfw.net roxy music list: e-mail avalon-request@dfw.net w/ message subscribe avalon echo&bmen list: e-mail seven-seas-request@dfw.net w/ subscribe seven-seas echo www page: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/echo.html On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Lynne Evans wrote: > I'm looking for a better way to access the internet newsgroups like ecto. > Could someone recommend a cheap and easy way to go? I would like full > net access using netscape/mosaic type software, a local phone number in > the Chicago burbs, and a low cost per hour. AOL is awfully slow, and not > cheap. The Big Sky BBS is free, but has limited access, and is long > distance. Thanks to all the ectophiles for your help! > Huggs, Lynne > "Hope you take me as I am, masculine or > feminine, I cannot be a role player" H.R. > > ---- > Lynne Evans > lynne@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us > The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) > ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: What do you say when ... On Thu, 13 Apr 1995 iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu wrote: > Any musician worth their ilk, IMHO, keeps only a small eye on what is > commercial, and then flaunts that commercialism to write the type of music > they want. It looks like Betty is in a different period of her life > artistically, or is giving into the music industry pressure to write danceable > pop. If it's the former, then you and I have no right to complain about her > 'vision'. And if it's the latter, then it's her own personal decision to go > after a different type of audience, one that I suspect neither of us choose to > belong to. Well, like you said, I asked for it. It wasn't like I hadn't given some thought to the idea that my opinion should be largely irrelevant to an artist. After all, it's just an added bonus when me, or anyone, likes the music. But wouldn't you say that it is reasonable to provide positive comments in praising the music you like? And if that's the case, certainly passing on negative comments is just as valid. (Granted my positive comments do not validate the music in any way. They just mean that I like it, for what that's worth.) And if part of the goal behind a change in direction is to try to appeal to a larger or different fan base, isn't input valuable? I can't tell them if they will be appealing to people who never listened to them before, but I can tell them that at least some of the people who were listening wouldn't be drawn along on their current direction. By the way, and this probably wasn't clear in the original post, and doesn't really matter, but BETTY is a group of three women, none of who are called Betty. Are you in Chicago now Valerie? Good luck in your new job. Goodbye from the DC area (sorry you didn't like it here more), and belated happy birthday :) Neal ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 18:22:13 -0400 Subject: Re: What do you say when ... iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu sez: >I don't think it matters one bit whether you or me likes the music an artist >is providing. Musicians are artists, and shouldn't be making music just for >their fans. They should be making music for themselves, and nobody else. i don't think anyone is saying that an artist should change their direction merely because their old audience is becoming alienated. however, that doesn't mean that i can't tell an artist (either directly of via a music review or whatever) that i think of their work. woj ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 18:55:22 EDT Subject: Launchpad is risen :-) Odd coincidence that after the latest crash, my net provider should be resurrected just in time for Easter :-). During yesterday's down time, I managed to find a telnet site for IRC (which was busy) and got my feet wet in our new MUSH room. Today I managed to get on IRC, but there was nobody on #ecto. I did manage to find people on MUSH, but it does take some getting used to when all your comments are echoed back and interspersed with someone else's comments. All in its time, I suppose :-). The e-zine _Consumable_ just gave good reviews to Sarah M's multimedia CD, as well as to Jann Arden's new album. BTW, I think Marianne Faithfull's real name is Marianne Faithfull. ANy of the cat people among us know if a cat can deliver parts of a litter at different times? Overnight, one of the crew out in back delivered two, both now dead. I'm not sure if they were stillborn, or offed by the other cats in the group. In any case, the mother still looks pregnant. Happy Good Friday, Easter, etc. Mitch ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:46:00 +0000 Subject: changes... It's me... Amy (aka RedGtrGirl@aol.com)... just lurking to let ya'all know that this may be my new address. It's our work/mail system. If it doesn't crash or cause problems. ta... ------------------------------ From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:55:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: What do you say when ... > > iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu sez: > >I don't think it matters one bit whether you or me likes the music an artist > >is providing. Musicians are artists, and shouldn't be making music just for > >their fans. They should be making music for themselves, and nobody else. woj respondz: > i don't think anyone is saying that an artist should change their > direction merely because their old audience is becoming alienated. > however, that doesn't mean that i can't tell an artist (either directly > of via a music review or whatever) that i think of their work. Why do you want so badly to tell them what you think? If it's because you expect them to change an entire style, then that's the wrong reason. We are just fans of the artist, and any review must IMHO come with a touch of humility. We have only one opinion, and when it comes down to it, our single opinion means very little. However, if you want to make suggestions on how to refine the music, then it becomes constructive criticism. As fans, we are merely appreciating the music the artist chooses to make. As fellow musicians or musical experts, we may have some minor suggestions meant to refine their style, not obliterate it or demand the artist change it. ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: larry@hal.com (Larry Hernandez) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 18:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Victoria Williams SF set 4-7-95 Hi everyone, Here's Victoria's set list from last Friday, finally. Again, using Vickie's previous message as a base for comparison: * Victoria Williams Great American Music Hall San Francisco, CA April 7, 1995 *Chicago Show: SF Show: 1. Unknown snippet (see notes) * Psalms 2. Psalms * Century Plant 3. Century Plant * Nature's Way 4. You Are Loved * Harry Went To Heaven 5. When we sing together * You R Loved 6. Waterfall * Love Is Everything (with Syd Straw) 7. Graveyard * Sail On Sailor 8. Shoes (I kinda died at this point :-) * When We Sing Together 9. Harry Went to Heaven (Harry did, not Larry) * Graveyard 10. Nature's Way * Waterfall 11. "The French Song" (as Vic introed it :-) * Polish Those Shoes 12. Crazy Mary * TC 13. On Time (Winona bopped to this one!) * I Can't Cry Hard Enough 14/15/16. Medley: "You can" into Polish Those Shoes * On Time then Swing the Statue, back to "You Can". * Don't Let It Bring You Down 17. Sweet Relief (I died again here :-) * Lorna Doone's Garden 18. My Ally * Crazy Mary 19. Holy Spirit (I came back to life here :) * Boogieman 20. Stars Fell on Alabama Last Night * ??? (song about trains) 21. Animal Wild * My Ally 22. Lights on the City (Vic called Apaloosas) * Holy Spirit 23. Who's the One? (HTHKP) * Happy To Have Known Pappy 24. Happy to have Known Pappy * Sunshine Country 25. I can't Cry Hard Enough * What A Wonderful World 26. Frying Pan * 27. This Moment * 28. Sunshine Country 29. Boogieman (by MY request!! :-) 30. What a Wonderful World * *WOW*WOW*WOW* [...] Each show is * different ("Loose"!) and you never know what she's going to sing... * originals or covers. Every city is treated to something special. Yes indeed! Vic only did about 2 or 3 piano numbers, because she wasn't too impressed by the GAMH piano. * Our very own Ectophile Nick Hill is traveling with her as tour manager! [...] As I noted before, I met Nick. You lucky slag! :-) [...] * The Park West is a general admission venue (one thing I love about it) * and we got there early so we could get seats right up front. I was * only a few feet away from Victoria, [...] As were Ed and I! Also only a few feet from that actress... :-) * [...] * Victoria's dog is so cool. Molly (? I hope I have that right) had free * rein of the place and walked through the audience (I got to pet her) * and around the stage....finally just going to sleep by Victoria. Yes, her name is Molly. And she had the whole Hall to herself, too. I bet everyone in attendance got to pet Molly! What a "happy" dog! [...] * This isn't just a show...it's an experience. Very casual, very laid- * back, very warm and intimate, very funny and silly and loose, but full of * emotion, fun and friendliness. [...] At this point, I'd like to post the short review of her 11-1-94 show from Issue #5 of "Might" magazine (a rather esoteric publication if I ever saw one!) A collegue of mine here who likes to bring in wierd magazines told me about this review when her learned I was going to see Vic. Here it is: Victoria Williams Julie's Supper Club San Francisco CA :-( :-( BOO HOO! I wasn't even aware Vic was through here last November!! :-( Damn, I could have played a DJ for a day! :-) "Listening to Victoria Williams' albums, I never really got beyond the little girl voice, the classic-rock production and the Southern flavor. After seeing her perform at this invite-only schmoozefest for radio, retailers, and press, though, I would take a bullet for her in a second. Her personality is magnetic, her songs sincere, her voice radiant. And her lyrics actually mean something. Mixing her own songs with pop standards like "What a Wonderful World" and "Moon River," Williams required such intensity of emotion and attentiveness that everyone decided they needed to sit on the floor and really listen. Like Leadbelly, Gershwin and Kurt Cobain [Kurt Cobain??], Williams represents everything that is real and true about American songwriting. She should be in the Smithsonian." -Paul Tullis * [...] then the West Coast (I remember Portland, Seattle?, * San Francisco and Los Angeles) then will probably take a well-deserved * rest. Ectophiles in those remaining cities....go see her. It'll be * wonderful, I promise! Has anyone posted the setlist for the LA show?? If so, will one of you ectophiles please forward it to me?? (larry@hal.com) --I would really appreciate it... Larry Larry J. Hernandez "Never trust happiness." HaL Computer Systems - Chuck Daly larry@hal.com ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:58:09 -0400 Subject: Re: What do you say when ... valerie sez: >Why do you want so badly to tell them what you think? If it's because you >expect them to change an entire style, then that's the wrong reason. don't be silly. you should know me enough than to know that i don't expect an artist to change their style to meet my needs. i usually don't feel any need to let an artist know what i think of what they have done. however, i do want to reserve that right if i feel strongly enough either way. >We are >just fans of the artist, and any review must IMHO come with a touch of >humility. humility? why? an artist owes it to themself to create what they feel they must. a listener owes it to themself to listen to what they like. neither owes each other anything. the only place where humility can be a factor is for the listener to recognize, if they are not creatively-inclined, that the artist is doing something that the listener may not be capable of. however, even then, any criticism (good or bad) shouldn't be a function of the listener's ability to create music - it a function of their subjective likes and dislikes. >We have only one opinion, and when it comes down to it, our single >opinion means very little. our single opinion may not mean much in the grander scheme of things, but if we express it enough, others may find that they generally agree or disagree with our opinion. further expressions of our opinions will then come to mean something to those who base their decisions of what to buy or listen to on our opinions. in any event, significant or not, we're entitled to 'em. so there. :P >As fans, we are >merely appreciating the music the artist chooses to make. As fellow musicians >or musical experts, we may have some minor suggestions meant to refine their >style, not obliterate it or demand the artist change it. i don't think there is that much of a difference between a fan's opinion and a musician's opinion, except that the musician may be better at expressing stylistic suggestions (for example, i might say, "doesn't flow very well," while footah might say, "more thirds"). i don't think i should be limited to telling an artist only, "i like your music," just cos i can't play an instrument to save my soul. i may not be able to express something i like or dislike in musically correct terms, but i feel fully comfortable telling an artists that something doesn't click or something grooves in godlike way. woj ------------------------------ From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:57:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Max Sharam and Melanie >Any Melanie Safka fans out there? I loved her >early albums, and I guess she made an impression on Max Sharam too, >motivating her cover of "Lay Down." Does she sound anything like Melanie? I've been a fan of Melanie's for years, and actually have all of her albums, on one format or another, vinyl or CD. I'd be interested in knowing if Max sounds anything like Melanie. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ King of Prussia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo talk: pmcohen@slip-91.netaxs.com ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sheila Chandra I just read that Caroline records is going to be releasing 5 older Sheila Chandra discs domestically (in the US). The first is Roots and Wings from 1990. I've got a copy of the original release of this, and highly recommend it. I also noticed a Monsoon greatest hits disc floating around, which is Sheila's pre-solo band. Don't know if that was a Caroline disc as well. Neal ------------------------------ From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 01:51:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Sheila Chandra Hi, y'all! East coast American Neal writes: > I just read that Caroline records is going to be releasing 5 older > Sheila Chandra discs domestically (in the US). Hollis responds: Yippee! > The first is Roots and > Wings from 1990. I've got a copy of the original release of this, and > highly recommend it. Can you tell us about it? What's it like? Is it different from "The Zen Kiss" and "Weaving My Ancestors' Voices?" Those are the only Shelia Chandra I have, and I am utterly enchanted by them. I would *love* to know more. Holly ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 03:30:31 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************** Stuart Myerburg (labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu) ************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 06 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus John Warren Mon May 08 1961 Taurus - the Ox Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Kathy Fitzgerald Mon May 11 1970 Lovey Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Albert Philipsen Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:16:24 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: The Innocence Mission - Glow "Chandra L. Sriram" writes: >sorry, i should have been clearer. i think it was supposed to come out >in Europe as scheduled (i think the original date was April 4), but got >pushed back to june in the us only. bad promotion, don't you think, >since the ep came out in february? Yes... Did the EP get released in Europe also? What was on it? Here's the track listing from _Glow_: 1. Keeping Awake 3:58 2. Bright As Yellow 3:32 3. Brave 3:49 4. That Was Another Country 4:18 5. Speak Our Minds 2:54 6. Happy, The End 3:38 7. Our Harry 2:21 8. Go 3:06 9. Everything's Different Now 3:16 10. Spinning 3:13 11. There 3:55 12. I Hear You Say So 2:11 >anyway, how do you like the album (you lucky dog)? I like it very much. :) It is closer is style to _Umbrella_ than to their first self-titled album. Anyway, it is a wonderful glowing family album, talking about the beauty and emotional richness in everyday ordinary gentle living. Albert ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:21:00 +0000 Subject: no subject Lynne (Evans) is the bigsky bbs the same one Melissa & Richard from Really Deep Thoughts run? Do you use standard communications software to log on or do i need something sophisticated - and what kind of stuff is posted on there? i used to live in Cowtown (columbus) and had the chance to talk with Missy a few times, and she made mention of a Kate bbs. I had forgotten about it til you mentioned it. You live in Chicago too? (how many Ectophiles total in the Chi-town area?) just curious. Speaking of Chi-town Ectophiles... i am going to the Throwing Muses show Saturday, if anyone else is planning on going, let me know.! ******************************************** Laurel (Krahn)... I picked up "The Armless Maiden..." on Wednesday. I've only gotten through the first two stories - the "title" story and the one about the king and his daughter (Aller...i can't remember how to spell it...) but you were right about it. I've since recommended it to a very close friend of mine who is indeed a "childhood survivor" - I've offered to lend it to her after i've finished with it. And... I think you forgot to mention that portions of the book go to benefit a charity in Arizona that benefits abused children. I second the recommendation to anyone who is looking for a good bedtime read. That's the beauty of anthologies - you can finish a story and then go to sleep - or at least try to ;-) cheers.. Amy ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:01:53 +0000 Subject: I'm baaaaccckkk.... Whew! Just when you thought it was safe to go in the water, I've got me new e-mail address. You'll find it in my sig. Even though it was only for a few weeks, I missed this list the most. Since our provider is only "on-line" for a few minutes every two hours or so, I won't be able to respond to everything right away (which will also only limit me to this list). When we switch to our new provider, I will let all know - and maybe then re-subscribe to the "other" lists. So, what's new. What have I missed? Omaha now has a new alternative station, 101.9 "The Edge". Not great, but better than the geezer rock. (Don't get me wrong. At times the "geezer rock" is good. There just are too many stations "stuck in the past".) There was an alreay existing one, 93.3 "K-Rock", and was primarily harder-edged, but since "The Edge" came on the seen, they definetely have had a "wider view". Example artists are Sarah McLachlan (which means the station can't be all that bad); PJ Harvey; Liz Phair; etc. Unfortunately, no Kate, Happy or Jewel - yet. I need to start calling in requests! Speaking of Jewel, anybody have her latest tour schedule? There's a "free" entertainment paper being produced here - called 'the reader' - - and the LOCAL record store is advertising "pieces of you" under the by-line "EMERGING ARTISTS" (their capitals): "Twenty year old Jewel Kilcher is a charmingly idiosyncratic singer/songwriter from Homer, Alaska, whose songs possess a lyrical depth that belies her young age." (Sidenote: the record store is called Homer's). If anybody wants to print this out and take it/send it to her, be my guest (Neal? Jeff?). Tell her I sent it, and she needs to play Omaha. NOW!:-) Well, I'll close now. It's good to be back, and look forward to hearing from everybody. Oh yea, "Hi Vickie!!" (I lost your e-mail address, sorry). TTFN, Matt Bittner finally, a new e-mail address meba@cso.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Bowman Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Portland OR mini-Ectogathering I will be hosting a mini-EctoGathering in Portland, OR on Sunday April 30th at 6:00 PM. Geoff Parks will be in town and it's his birthday! Anyone interested in coming should e-mail me for my address and for what to bring. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ From: jmn@rocket.com (JOHN NAVROTH) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:22:48 -0800 Subject: sheila chandra article sheila chandra has a one-page article/photo in the recent AP magazine. ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sam Brown Does anyone know what Sam Brown's _The Kissing Gate_ cd is? I think _43 Minutes_ is great and like _Stop!_ and think _April Moon_ is okay, so I'm curious what this one is and what it might be like. I saw it on the dreaded Inter-Galactic Garage list. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 16:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Sheila Chandra Holly re-emerges with questions about Roots and Wings: > > Can you tell us about it? What's it like? Is it different from > "The Zen Kiss" and "Weaving My Ancestors' Voices?" Those are the > only Shelia Chandra I have, and I am utterly enchanted by them. > I would *love* to know more. > I don't have Zen Kiss, but I do have Weaving, Roots and Wings, and a compilation called Silk. Weaving seems to be a denser album, with a lot more stylistic variations. Roots doesn't have the thickness of sound and complexity of arrangements. There's a lot more space in the songs. There is one short vocal percussion piece called Konnokel Al Dente (or something like that, I don't have the disc here). I have really enjoyed the album a lot. It seems more Indian to me than the later releases. Perhaps Vickie could comment some on Shiela's changes and evolutions, since she's got oodles of her discs. Also, there is a review in this weeks Baltimore City Paper, if you want to read someone elses opinions. It's good to hear from you again. Neal ------------------------------ From: brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk (Jens P. Brage) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 95 02:20:47 MET Subject: USA Trip Coming Up... Hi! I've started planning a holiday in the USA with a couple of friends in late Summer (middle August - September). We're planning to spend four weeks crossing from San Francisco to New York, the tentative route is: San Francisco to Seattle, then South along the East side of the Rocky Mountains, crossing over to Grand Canyon, down to Arizona and then through New Mexico to Lafayette. Finally up along Mississippi to Chicago and then across to New York... Quite a tortured route! ;-) In order to make it in four weeks, we may have to cut out part of the route, or use airlifts, but I hope this will not be necessary... Part of the plan is to allow for visits with net.friends. So, if any of you are interested in meeting up, let me know! :-) By the way, does anybody have any idea about prices at (cheapish) motels? I feel a klaus coming up - take cover... :-) Jens P. Brage | Why don't they give me tape? Why don't they brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | make it so I know what to do? Why don't they /\ | make it so I feel better about this? \SphereSoft | Has the Computer forgotten about me? ------------------------------ From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 01:51:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Sheila Chandra >I also noticed a Monsoon greatest hits disc >floating around, which is Sheila's pre-solo band. Don't know if that >was a Caroline disc as well. I just picked up the Monsoon disc. It's a domestic American disc on Mercury Chronicles. It's also not a greatest hits, but a pretty much complete Monsoon. I have all the Monsoon vinyl and the disc has the entire album, all the b-sides and a few extended mixes. I highly recommend it. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ King of Prussia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo talk: pmcohen@slip-91.netaxs.com ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 18:52:52 +1200 Subject: Re: Sam Brown Neile wonders: > Does anyone know what Sam Brown's _The Kissing Gate_ cd is? I think _43 > Minutes_ is great and like _Stop!_ and think _April Moon_ is okay, so I'm > curious what this one is and what it might be like. > > I saw it on the dreaded Inter-Galactic Garage list. I presume it isn't simply a single from _April Moon_, then? Did they have a track-listing for it? I might well be interested too, although I have no particular wish to deal with IGG... Philip (who had the odd experience of finding two cassette covers inside the case of his "Fear of Life" single :) ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 03:30:21 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************************ T-Bone (no Email address) ************************ *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 06 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus John Warren Mon May 08 1961 Taurus - the Ox Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Kathy Fitzgerald Mon May 11 1970 Lovey Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 95 10:50:37 EDT Subject: laurie anderson concert Got to see the Laurie Anderson concert last night. All that I can say is wow. She is amazing. GO SEE HER IF YOU CAN. Then again, perhaps you shouldn't--I feel that anyone else I see will be unspiced refried beans in contrast. How can a "regular" concert measure up to her performance?? WOW. Several people left at intermission!!! I don't understand--how could they not be enthralled/fascinated?? I almost wish I could have interviewed some of those who left so I could figure out what was wrong with them ;) brad - -- Thought is an infection. In the case of certain thoughts, it becomes an epidemic. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 22:11:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: live music! whee! Hi! I've seen a bunch of shows lately that I haven't had a chance to comment on yet, thanks to a complete lack of time for much else than the daily grind. :P So before I let things go much longer, here we go: 10,000 MANIACS (The Unscathed Tour) Toad's Place, New Haven, CT 3/30/95 Tamar, Mike Curry and I met up for this one, and I was very excited to see how the addition of John and Mary to the lineup would work. Well, it works *very* well, and I want more! Toad's was very crowded, much more than I thought it would be, and I didn't hear one ignorant query of "where's Natalie?" the entire night. The response was very enthusiastic, and the band really seemed to be having a good time up on stage. They played a lot of new songs which use Mary Ramsey's voice and viola with good results: I would guess that the next 10,000 Maniacs album (which I hear should be out within the year) will sound like a cross between _The Weedkiller's Daughter_ and _Blind Man's Zoo_, but don't place any bets based on my predictions. :) They also performed some older songs: "What's The Matter Here" (which Mary prefaced by saying, "This one is a new one for me but not for you, so sing along if you want to help"), "Candy Everybody Wants", "Stockton Gala Days", and they ended the show with "Can't Ignore The Train", which sent me floating out the door because I had been hoping and praying they would play something from _The Wishing Chair_ -- I wish they'd done more than that one song, but it's better than nothing and it's one of my all-time favorites, so I'm definitely not complaining. 10,000 Maniacs have suffered not from the departure of Natalie Merchant, and if I may be so bold, I think they may be getting even better. Mary Ramsey with her viola adds a new dimension to the music, and John Lombardo's return has added something that seemed to me to have been missing for a long time. It's been a while since we've been able to see the Maniacs in an intimate environment such as the clubs they've been playing, so don't miss your chance if they come to your area soon. ROBYN HITCHCOCK Toad's Place, New Haven, CT 4/5/95 This time Tamar and I and a few friends made it to Toad's to see Robyn do a solo show. Deni Bonet and Jill Sobule opened, but thanks to dinner we got there late and thus missed Deni and all but two songs of Jill's set. I wasn't too impressed with her, but I only heard two songs so I don't feel qualified to really express an opinion. woj found her new album this past week -- haven't really listened to it closely yet, but it sounds like fun. Robyn played for just over an hour, doing one 45-minute acoustic set and a 20-minute electric set after a short intermission. Deni Bonet is a violin- ist and joined him on stage for a few songs in each set, and she really made them work: "Egyptian Cream" was really a transcendent experience. He also performed "DeChirico Street", "Madonna Of The Wasps", "The Yip Song", "Queen Elvis", "I Something You", "Raymond Chandler Evening", "The Man With A Woman's Shadow" and several others I must confess I don't know the names of because I've heard them many times but never had any liner notes near me to refer to. :} I do know he didn't play one song off of "Respect", though. It was a good show, even though Robyn really didn't seem to be enjoying himself and didn't talk much, which was a shame because half the fun of seeing him live is his bizarre between-song banter. Perhaps the most interesting thing about the show was the fact that it was a sit-down show, which is a real rarity for Toad's Place -- I've only been to (or heard of) one other sit-down show there, when Tori played there in the fall of 1992. There weren't too many people in the audience either, which was surprising -- I estimated about 150. A cool facet of the evening was the unexpected Sarah McLachlan side: in between Jill Sobule's set and Robyn's they turned the video screens on, and we got to see the "Good Enough" video. Then after the show was over, they put _Solace_ over the sound system on shuffle play. It was really cool, if somewhat surreal. :) Anyway, Robyn Hitchcock is always an enjoyable live experience, and Deni Bonet is too cool for words, so if he's heading your way soon don't miss it. THE NIELDS Border's Books And Music, Farmington, CT 4/14/95 Technically it was an "in-store", but in reality it was a full Nields concert lasting about two hours with an audience of several packed into the aisles in between the CD racks. Mike Curry, woj and I were there, and we all had a pretty good time. The Nields are a really, really good band, and they shine live. They did a lot of songs from their CD _Bob On The Ceiling_ ("Ash Wednesday", "Merry Christmas Mr. Jones", "James", "Be Nice To Me", and their beautiful cover of "Black Boys On Mopeds") as well as some older stuff and some brand-new songs. They are described as "folk rock", but they are placing progressively more emphasis on the rock, and it's working. Katryna and Neryssa's voices make for gorgeous harmonies, and Neryssa is too cool up there with the Les Paul that's almost bigger than she is. :) Their songs range from the poignant to the silly: one minute they're singing a song cycle about teenage pregnancy from the point of view of the girl, and the next they're coming up with stuff like "I Hate MCI" (I hate MCI/Why?/ Because they made me realize/That I have no friends or family" -- non-Yanks feel free to e-mail me for an explanation of just why that's so funny :) and "Superheroes In My Soup", which was presented as the platform for their collective Presidential bid in 1996. Borders being Borders, they didn't have any copies of their CD for sale, but the band had brought a supply to sell for themselves just in case. ;> They are now offically out of both their earlier releases, the cassette _66 Hoxsey Street_ and the CD _Live At The Iron Horse Music Hall_, so _Bob On The Ceiling_ is all you'll be able to get for now. It's definitely worth it, a great album. And if they play near you (is this sounding repetitive yet?) definitely don't miss it, you'll be glad you did. New York area Ectophiles take note: The Nields and Dar Williams are both on the bill of the May Required Listening show at The Bottom Line, on May 19th. I'm not sure who the other two performers are going to be that evening, but I don't care. :) Couldn't resist buying stuff since I was there, either -- we raided the cutout bin and I found a tape copy of The Brandos _Honor Among Thieves_ for $2.99, which I snapped up because a friend of mine years ago had it and knew the front man from the band, and I liked it a lot but never found one of my own. Over in the book section there were several things I could have spent money on but I resisted the lure of all but the trade paperback of _Good Omens_, which I blush to reveal I haven't read yet, despite the fact that I'm a huge fan of both Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett -- but I just never found a copy before, honest! I'm halfway through already and it's a scream, but everyone knew that already... So that catches me up on live stuff for the past few weeks. Emily Bezar is up next on Monday night -- stay tuned for the report. :) +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"Though she's just in her twenties, Sarah McLachlan is a throwback to the | | days when female singers weren't expected to cuss like truck drivers." | | -- The New Yorker magazine, March 20, 1995 | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 22:14:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: catching up with ecto Hi! So I haven't Klaused in a while, either. Last weekend saw me in Halifax for a mini-vacation with woj, eating much seafood, sleeping a lot, and wandering around a truly neat little city. We saw Muriel's Wedding up there, and I have to chime in and recommend it to all. I did come away from it with a profound dislike for all of the characters (even after the last few scenes), but it was a very good film nonetheless. Halifax has a lot of used bookstores and record stores, and we spent much time in several examples of both genres. I also watched some MuchMusic, and it wasn't as impressive as I thought it would be, but it was still much better than eMpTV. It was interesting to note that I didn't see one Sarah McLachlan video, hear any of her songs on the radio, or get any indication in the local record stores that the people of Halifax care one iota that she's from there. (Maybe the fact that she doesn't care one iota that she's from there either has something to do with it, but who knows?) We did go into a store that had Holly Cole's autograph on the wall, though, which was cool. :) Actually, one really cool Sarah-related thing happened up there: woj found the 7" and 12" promo singles of "Vox", and on the latter was a little sticker saying "See Out Of The Fog". He inquired into that, to discover it was the name of a 1986 compilation of songs from Nova Scotia bands, including The October Game, the band Sarah was in when Terry McBride discovered her and invited her to join Nettwerk. We decided to keep an eye out for this comp- ilation, and were quite happy to find a CD called _Out Of The Fog Too_, a follow-up compilation from 1993 which also has as bonus tracks 4 songs from the original collection, including "Grind" by The October Game. Needless to say, we grabbed it and ran. :> What's it like? Well, as woj commented, it's no wonder Nettwerk wanted Sarah to sing for Moev, and now I know it wasn't much of a stretch for her to sing on that Manufacture song, either. It's very much in the mid-eighties techno- industrial vein (a la Moev, very early Ministry, Clan of Xymox etc.), with dubbed vocal samples and the beat that kind of stuff tends to have. But it's most definitely Sarah singing, and quite nicely at that. It reminds me of Y Kant Tori Read, not because it's embarrassing but because it's about as different from Sarah's own music as YKTR is from what Tori's doing now. It's a rarity we're very excited to own, and if you or someone you know is travel- ing to Nova Scotia in the near future, something to keep an eye open for. Halifax has a thriving music scene, and there's some really interesting stuff on the disc. Now to Klaus before I sleep... Richard Holmes inquired: >Thanks for the info! I'll *have* to get the Lemon Kittens! Do you >have lyrics, info, etc? What do they sing about? Lemon Kittens are Danielle Dax and Karl Blake, and they put out two albums, _The Big Dentist_ and _We Buy A Hammer For Daddy_. Both are on Biter Of Thorpe records, brought to us by World Serpent Distribution (Unit 7-1-7 Seager Buildings, Brookmill Rd., London SE8 4HL), reissued in 1993 and 1994. As I said before, the music is quite strange. Here's a sample lyric: "P.V.S. (Power Viewed Subjectively)", from _We Buy A Hammer For Daddy_. Two diamond-like shits - on a counterpane of glass in a room where little flies breed you're forgetting creed and class, but why? they've no ambition! they're true unto themselves devour their two faeces No! Leave me to my trance! in a room where flies bleed and we take time to dance (meaninglessly) Instruments include guitars, tenor and soprano saxes, various synthesizers and sequencers (including a "stick synth"), squeeze box, bass, flute, penny whistle and various forms of percussion (all provided by Danielle) as well as a variety of the above plus clarinet and recorder by Karl. Danielle also sings, of course. It's great stuff, if far from the beaten track. Hope you find it and enjoy! Neal commented on his 10,000 Maniacs experience: >This was a fine show, it just didn't >rank up there with some of those others. I think the biggest problem was >the sound. They played a big auditorium show, and it completely overpowered >the club. At one point Mary said it must be confusing for us, what with >all these new songs and the sound bouncing wildly off the walls. Hmmm... must have been the acoustics of the club you were in, because to my ears they didn't have that problem at Toad's Place. They're weren't over- poweringly loud there (though they did crank it up when they needed to), though the sound was a bit muddy -- but the sound *always* sucks at Toad's no matter who it is. >(Also, the lights were really annoying, flashing all around and in our eyes >regularly. They had lamps to give it a homey look, just like Victoria >Williams had, but then they used a barage of colored lights like an >auditorium show, and not very imaginatively, which pretty much counter- >acted whatever cozy effect the lamps provided.) That was also probably just an idiosyncracy of the club you were in -- the lights did change color at Toad's, but they didn't flash or anything and were generally quite unobtrusive. Chris Montville wondered: >I've always known Laurie Anderson was a damn fine musician, >but is she a sculptor, also? Yep -- in fact, she holds an MFA in Sculpture from Columbia University. >"Laurie Anderson > >"The Blood Fountain: Monument to Murder It would be really cool if this proposal got accepted. :) irvin confessed: >i was in kaybee toys the other day buying barbie >dolls (i have no shame it is true...) I can't resist. Why the HELL were you doing that?!? > by the way JEWEL is (was?) opening up for liz phair! i am on the >liz list and she (jewel) was fairly well recieved by liz phans. i have >yet to hear a bad review of her....i was told that her yodeling brought >down the house! This is just too surreal for me. Liz Phair's two NYC shows were sold out within hours... damn, I was thinking about going and now I'm really bummed that I'm going to miss it. > so i have yet to hear the new jill sobule album. i hope that it >is stronger even than her real debut. does anyone know why they are >touting this album as her debut? Is it her first to be released on a major label, perhaps? Or maybe she's somehow disowned her first one, like Tori and YKTR... dunno. > i wonder if labels are coming to the realization that there is a >market for what are ecto artists. with the success of tori and sarah i >think that they are finally coming around. Possibly... I think at least Atlantic Records has come around somewhat since the success of Tori -- they signed Jewel, for example. But unfortunately, for every Tori and Jewel (Sarah doesn't really count because her "real" label in my mind is Nettwerk, which is far from major and too cool to be thought of as such anyway :) there are dozens of Mariah Careys and Vanessa Williamses ad nauseam to fill the vast majority of the airwaves with shallow fluffy crap. > ps. oh yeah i have to ask...i was listening to tori cover of >"strange fruit" and i was wondering how many other artists have >covered/done this song. Argh... I just heard someone else on the radio singing this the other day and I can't for the life of me remember who it was! It was on a womens music show (Amazon Radio -- alternating Tuesday nights on WPKN 89.5FM in Bridgeport, CT from 8 to 10, if you're in the area check it out, it's a great show) and I remember that the woman singing it was rather of a Big Name in "women's music" but the rest has left my brain for good. Sigh... if anyone else can help me remember, feel free. Tori's version was better, though. :) Albert reported on the new Innocence Mission album: >I like it very much. :) It is closer is style to _Umbrella_ than to their >first self-titled album. Anyway, it is a wonderful glowing family album, >talking about the beauty and emotional richness in everyday ordinary gentle >living. Urp. I really dislike _Umbrella_, and was hoping this new one wouldn't be anything like it. We have the single and it's not bad (though it's nowhere near the brilliance of "Black Sheep Wall" or "I Remember Me"), and I'm certainly not going to pass judgement before I've had the opportunity to listen and consider for myself, but the news that someone is comparing it to _Umbrella_ is rather disheartening. Sigh. Holly inquired about Sheila Chandra's _Roots And Wings_: >Can you tell us about it? What's it like? Is it different from >"The Zen Kiss" and "Weaving My Ancestors' Voices?" Those are the >only Shelia Chandra I have, and I am utterly enchanted by them. >I would *love* to know more. We just got the reissue this morning (got a whole week's worth of held mail from the Post Office in one shot -- it felt like Christmas, except 90% of it was junk we just ended up throwing away). It is different from the two albums she has released since: she seems to be simplifying her music as time goes on, stripping everything away until only the voice remains. _Roots And Wings_ features her voice in fine form, but there's instrumentation involved too, a lot of it electronic. I should think any Sheila Chandra fan would like this one every bit as much as her other solo work. It's wonderful stuff. Brad gushed: >Got to see the Laurie Anderson concert last night. All that I >can say is wow. She is amazing. GO SEE HER IF YOU CAN. If you can afford it, that is... :P >Several people left at intermission!!! I don't understand--how >could they not be enthralled/fascinated?? I almost wish I >could have interviewed some of those who left so I could figure >out what was wrong with them ;) The people who left at intermission when I saw her either Just Didn't Get It or were offended by something she'd said (I did hear in the bathroom line at intermission that her story about playing with bombs in a Tel Aviv parking lot really pissed off several Jewish members of the audience, two of whom would have left if they didn't know her personally and were expected backstage to say hello after the performance). Seeing people leave puzzled me, too. I mean, one would hope that the audience members for a performace like that would have at least some idea of what they were getting into, but who knows? People are inherently silly and rather stupid, it's the nature of the species I'm afraid. (I've only ever walked out on one performance in my entire life so far, a production of the play _The School For Scandal_ produced by the Wesleyan Theatre Department that was a crashing bore and not very well staged to boot. I had a test to study for, and it wasn't worth sitting through. A lot of other people left, too -- but keeping in mind that I saw pretty much a play a weekend there for my entire college career, one big dud in six semesters isn't a bad final score. :) To close, a final note: Heard "Feed The Fire" on Echoes last night whilst driving home from the Nields show. It's always great to hear Happy on the radio, especially on a national show like that. Any firm date yet for the broadcast of the living room concert? I can't wait! Puck The Cat is asleep. Not a bad idea. +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"Though she's just in her twenties, Sarah McLachlan is a throwback to the | | days when female singers weren't expected to cuss like truck drivers." | | -- The New Yorker magazine, March 20, 1995 | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 02:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: catching up with ecto On Sat, 15 Apr 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > Possibly... I think at least Atlantic Records has come around somewhat since > the success of Tori -- they signed Jewel, for example. I really have to wonder what Atlantic is doing with Jewel though. Has anyone seen a single ad for her disc. They kindly released it as a cheap disc (The latest Pulse, with Mariane Faithful on the cover, lists it's price at $10.99.), but they don't seem to be supporting it at all. Jewel travels around and does these grueling series of shows, all without any promotion at all (that I saw, at least). Has anyone seen any evidence of support from Atlantic? > The people who left at intermission when I saw her either Just Didn't Get It > or were offended by something she'd said (I did hear in the bathroom line at > intermission that her story about playing with bombs in a Tel Aviv parking lot > really pissed off several Jewish members of the audience, two of whom would > have left if they didn't know her personally and were expected backstage to > say hello after the performance). Seeing people leave puzzled me, too. This really baffles me. I didn't pick up on anything in that piece that could be viewed as insulting or anti-semitic. Unless pointing out that Israel is one of the biggest (the biggest?) arms purchasers in the world upset their view of reality. Laurie even commented on the strangeness of sitting around watching explosions in that setting. Strange.... I don't recall people leaving at the DC show. By the way, that sold out and they added a second night. I picked up a copy of the CD-ROM of the Puppet Motel that night, and my memory upgrade arrived today so I could play with it. It's a pretty intriguing disc, that lets you play with some of Laurie's toys, like the various violins, and alter images and mixes of music, as well as listen to music from various phases of her career with some interesting visuals to go with it. There is a lot of clever use of light and shadow as well. This is what I've found in a few hours of playing, but there is a lot more there. You travel through it in a pretty convoluted way, so you basically stumble across things at random, rather than being able to go directly to the things that I want to see. Still, lots of surprises in it. Sleeping, why that's not a bad idea at all... Neal ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 03:30:19 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Jeff Hanson (jhanson@bbn.com) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 06 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus John Warren Mon May 08 1961 Taurus - the Ox Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Kathy Fitzgerald Mon May 11 1970 Lovey Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 03:11:52 PDT Subject: things Well, now that I've had a chance to listen to _University_, I've decided that I like it quite a bit too. It still isn't quite the same Throwing Muses as when Tanya Donnelly was still with them, but Kristin Hersh is doing just fine all by herself. I just finished posting a short review in rec.arts.tv for this really odd Saturday-morning cartoon named _ReBoot_. I heard about it from friends who would get up early enough on Saturdays to watch Animaniacs and discovered this while flipping channels afterwards. It's about a bunch of, well, people who live in this place they call Mainframe. They measure time in nanoseconds and count in binary. One of the main characters is Bob, who is a Guardian from the Supercomputer; his closest friends are Dot Matrix and Enzo. Usually they're either thwarting the evil plots of their enemies Megabyte and Hexadecimal, or dealing with the effects of a game cube inserted into Mainframe by the mysterious User who lives outside the system. It's all gorgeously-rendered computer graphics; somebody must have spent a long time doing the object database for this place, and it looks a lot like they must digitize position data from live actors to get the right facial expressions and motion cues for the animated characters. However, unlike a lot of computer graphics pieces where the graphics are more important than the plotting and dialogue, here the writing is often done very well. It even has a pretty cool soundtrack (all instrumental, though). Amazingly enough, it's about the only show I've ever seen that uses computer terminology correctly nearly all the time. It also sometimes seems oddly sophisticated for the time slot it's in, 8:30 AM on Saturdays on ABC. I recommend it. I've recently jazzed up my Web page (http://jcomm.uoregon.edu/~stevev) quite a bit, including some pointers back to the main Ecto-related pages. As a special tip to Ecto readers, I've hidden a secret link on the page. If you find it, you'll get to see a side of my personality that many people don't see. ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 11:38:42 EDT Subject: Susan Voelz on Conan tomorrow night Just a tip for those who like Susan Voelz...she's going to be on Conan O'Brien's show tomorrow night (that's Monday night). Vickie EctoMUSH: telnet caisr2.caisr.cwru.edu 4201 create Nickname password follow TRAIL then type @tel #68340 (has Kate, Tori & Sarah rooms, and I'll be working on a Jane room) ------------------------------ From: LynnK68685@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:47:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Sam Brown As for _The Kissing Gate_, I bought this cd about a year ago (from IGG) and was dissapointed with the entire package. I should have had them read the track listing to me over the phone, but since the title was one I was not familiar with, I assumed it was a new (or older release). This cd is is made in Germany and is distributed by Karussell Ltd. (also stamped A&M) and is a compilation of material from _April Moon_ and _Stop!_, with most tracks being from _AM_. The only extra you get is a song she did on a 7" single _Can I Get A Witness_ and by the way, this track is on the UK version of _Stop!_. The packaging is cheap...no fold out or anything and has a shot of Sam singing live on the cover. I have enjoyed all three of Sam's cd's, too and prefer _Stop_ and __43 Minutes_ to _April Moon_. Any news on a new release? Hope this helps! Lynn ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 17:33:03 -0400 Subject: Re: catching up with ecto Neal Copperman sez: >I really have to wonder what Atlantic is doing with Jewel though. Has >anyone seen a single ad for her disc. i think i've seen some ads around, but i don't recall where. however, finding copies of _pieces of me_ isn't hard at all. even in halifax's sam the record man, there were tons of them in a front sale rack that greeted you as soon as you walked into the store. there are also at least three promotional discs floating about. besides the _save the linoleum_ disc i mentioned a few weeks ago, there are also two promo singles for "who will save our souls". the first includes "i'm sensitive" and the second has a 20 minute or so interview with jewel done by san diego's 91x's mike halloran. there was also the track on the cmj new music monthly disc a couple issues back. it costs money to get yourself on anything that cmj produces - they don't do that out of the goodness of their heart... woj ------------------------------ From: BOUTAME@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 17:21:20 EDT Subject: Happy on WPKN Greetings, Ectoids! This is Tamar, semi-lurker, coming to you from beautiful New Haven. Okay, so it's not that beautiful, but it's where I live right now. I haven't received a digest in a few days, so this may be really old news. Anyway, my roommate was listening to WPKN last night (a listener-supported radio station in Bridgeport, CT) and they played a Happy song (she didn't know which song) and then they came on after the song and said that Happy would be performing live at WPKN on May 18. I missed that, but I just happened to be getting in my car minutes later, and happened to also be listening to PKN and the next four songs they played were Tori's version of Thank You, some song by someone I had never heard of, Good Enough, and then Calling All Angels. I felt like they were specifically there for my listening enjoyment! Anyway, that's my news, if it's news at all. I would love to tape this, but I will be out of town then, but actually I'm sure my boyfriend will tape it for me (if he knows what's good for him ;-)), and I can certainly pass it along. By the way, WPKN is the only station around here that plays Happy's music and it's a really cool station in general. I once heard Them Heavy People on PKN! They're doing a pledge drive now, so if anyone wants to give them $, call (203) 384-WPKN. And for the record, I have no affiliation with them. Have a good one, and I'm sorry if this is old news. - --Tamar ------------------------------ From: iago@nwu.edu Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 17:02:47 -0500 Subject: My New Home Hi! After a grueling year at Northwestern, I've finally hit the big time -- an apartment of my own. Yup, that means I've moved again. So here's my new address and phone number: Valerie Nozick 434 W. Wellington, Apt. #611 Chicago, IL 60657 (312) 296-0869 The e-mail address will be valid for about 2 more months. I'm really excited about my new apartment. It's a studio in Lincoln Park, which is the 20-something yuppie part of town. I've got a coffee place on the corner for late night caffeine runs, and about 4 record stores within 5 blocks, including Tower. As you can see, nothing's changed except for the location. :) ==> Valerie ps. Be careful if you reply to this message -- Make sure you're sending it only to me and all of my friends. Or heck, give it a try and meet some interesting people. ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:09:02 -0400 Subject: Re: catching up with ecto first things first: dennis parslow! if you're out there, drop me a line. i have a present for you! THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE sez: >Halifax has a lot of used bookstores and record stores, and we spent much >time in several examples of both genres. if anyone is curious or cares, the final tally for the haligonian music spree is as follows: the _out of the fog too_ compilation, _bittersweet canada_ (a compilation of canadian artists from 1992 featuring kate and anna mcgarrigle and kathleen yearwood - i could not find her album which, based on neile's review, sounds intriguing), mary margaret o'hara's _miss america_ (nice to replace a poor dub of a scratchy lp at last), bourne and macleod's _moonlight dancers_ (a pair of celtic madmen, what with war pipes and the whole bit), a couple albums by figgy duff (_after the tempest_, which is i think is their first, and _downstream_, a more recent offering; looked for figgy vocalist pamela dean's solo album without success), delerium's _semantic spaces_ (with kirsty thirsk from rose chronicles crooning), the latest disc from the rheostatics (which features their cover of jane siberry's "one more colour" complete with a new verse written by martin) and peter hammill's _fireships_. i did not buy a kilt, though i wanted to. $150 was too much to pay for some colored wool - even at the current cdn$/us$ exchange rate. i meet a guy who was involved in the production of the _out of the fog_ compilations. he informed me that quite a few copies are still unsold: some 400 or so. i don't know if they can be mail-ordered, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. the address for flammingo records, who pressed the disc, is 2557 kline st halifax, ns b3l 2x6 canada >> so i have yet to hear the new jill sobule album. i hope that it >>is stronger even than her real debut. does anyone know why they are >>touting this album as her debut? >Is it her first to be released on a major label, perhaps? the "real debut" is on mca records, which is hardly not a major label. i've been told that there is an even earlier release on a small label in denver (where jill is from, apparently), but i don't know anyone who has heard it. they're probably touting it as a debut since it's her first on atlantic records. after the nields' in-store in famington that meth already wrote about, i thought i was home-free in the music buying department. then i saw the cut-out bins and my dreams of walking out of that store without a single disc was rudely shattered. picked up some decent stuff for $7 apiece: the jazz butcher's _condition blue_ (the american release on sky records with the screwed up track listing, but what the heck), _the best of the radio 1 evening show sessions_ compilation (with tracks by danielle dax and voice of the beehive), blackgirls' _procedure_ (yay! i've been looking for this for a *long* time - nice to replace another poor dub of scratchy vinyl), christmas' _ultraprophets of thee psychick revolution_ (christmas was an excellent band from boston's mid-80s scene - sad to see them pass even if liz cox has gone onto other things), new order's peel sessions and big barn burning's _topping the orchard_ (another boston-based band though with a decidedly folkrock focus). most of that stuff was just filling out spots in the collection. earlier in the week, i picked up some new stuff from another cutout bin (see a pattern here?) which i have had a chance to listen to. robyn hitchcock - you and oblivion (rhino records): this is a new album of old material - mostly odds and sods recorded in the mid 80s that never made it onto an album. almost all of it is acoustic, though there are a couple fuller recordings as well. as with most of his throwaway tracks, there are a few duds, but there are some serious gems as well. it's particularly nice (for me) to finally have studio recordings of some songs that had made it into his live sets. if you're a hitchhead, this is worth getting. if you're not, well, don't. :) one thumb. cranes - lilies (dedicated/arista): a promo disc featuring flood's mix of "lilies" and an assortment of tracks from previous releases. most interesting to me are "brighter", "casa blanca" and "leave her to heaven" which are from british eps from before cranes' firsdt american album, _wings of joy_. there's also one previously unreleased track called "shine like stars". a most nifty promo indeed! one thumb. joan osbourne - relish (blue gorilla/mercury): i don't recall where i found my copy of joan's "from a blue million miles" ep, but it blew my socks off. so, when i heard that joan had a new album out, i was pretty interested in getting it. as it turns out, _relish_ is pretty good, but somehow left me wanting after the first listen. there are some pretty interesting musical bits that are promising, but nothing seems to smack me in the head like i was expected it to. subsequent listens have been more enjoyable, but i still wish that there was more bite to this album. oh well. just one thumb up instead of two. that still means it's good. madder rose - "the love you save" (seed): a new single/ep/whatever. yay! i really like mary lorson's voice and she uses it niftily here. this is a bit more mellow than other stuff they've done. two tracks are covers: the title track (not sure who originally recorded) and the neville brothers' "ruler of my heart". the other two are originals. "the love you save" has motown written all over it and mary sings it like it should be. the originals are really nice, somewhat toned-down indie-rawk numbers and they do the neville cover justice. two thumbs. jill sobule (lava/atlantic): i've already talked about this some. suffice to say that there are some really great guitar pop songs here and the rest of the album, while not perfect pop gems, certainly are nice. one thumb. finally, a few other things fell into my mailbox while i was gone that might be of some interest. meredith already mentioned sheila chandra's _roots and wings_. she didn't mention "move on", a single from the new mouth music album, or dr. didg's _out of the woods_. the former is just two mixes of the "emphasis track" plus one other song from the album. mouth music seems to be moving more towards the pop end of the spectrum that they operate on. i'll wait for the album to pass judgement on that trend though. i know this has been mentioned already, but i've forgotten who the new singer for mouth music is - can anyone remind me? dr didg is the new project of graham wiggins, ex of outback. as the name implies, we're talking didgeridoos, didgeridoos, didgeridoos. mix in rootsy rocky rhythms, jazz improvisation, and african and latin influences and voila! a pretty eclectic mixture of musical madness. i'm listening to this again right now and the best way i can think to describe this is an analogy: dr didg:didgeridoo::bela fleck:banjo all the implications of that comparison apply. two thumbs. woj ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:08:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: jewel promotion, walking out on laurie etc. Hi! Neal wondered: >I really have to wonder what Atlantic is doing with Jewel though. Well, she's opening for Liz Phair, which is sure to bring more than a few people over to her camp of fans. The press blitz takes time to warm up -- the album hasn't been out that long. woj replied: >i think i've seen some ads around, but i don't recall where. however, >finding copies of _pieces of me_ isn't hard at all. even in halifax's >sam the record man, there were tons of them in a front sale rack that >greeted you as soon as you walked into the store. And don't forget that the next time we both went in there the CDs were all gone, and they'd filled up the space with tapes until they could get in some more stock... Back to Neal, this time about people walking out on Laurie Anderson: >This really baffles me. I didn't pick up on anything in that piece that >could be viewed as insulting or anti-semitic. Unless pointing out that >Israel is one of the biggest (the biggest?) arms purchasers in the world >upset their view of reality. Laurie even commented on the strangeness of >sitting around watching explosions in that setting. Strange.... I don't >recall people leaving at the DC show. By the way, that sold out and they >added a second night. The people in line who were most vociferously bitching about it were saying, "When I lived in Israel, bombs weren't something you played with. They're not something to joke about, especially when you're constantly living with the fear that one might go off next to you at any time." Which seemed to me to be exactly the point Laurie had been trying to make, but I didn't dare say anything. >I picked up a copy of the CD-ROM of the Puppet Motel that night, and my >memory upgrade arrived today so I could play with it. Eeep! How ignorant am I, I didn't even know such a thing existed! Where can one who didn't attend one of the shows find it? Back to woj: > dr didg:didgeridoo::bela fleck:banjo These guys are just *too* cool, and you all should run right out and buy their disc. Talk about creating a serious groove... you just can't sit still to come of the tracks on it. I daresay it's brilliant. Wow. Tamar reported (and no, this isn't old news at all!): >Anyway, my roommate was listening to WPKN last night (a listener-supported >radio station in Bridgeport, CT) and they played a Happy song (she didn't know >which song) and then they came on after the song and said that Happy would be >performing live at WPKN on May 18. Eeep! That's a Thursday... I wonder whose show she'll be appearing on? Looks like it's time to send Cliff Furnald (who doesn't seem to be on this list any more) a note and find out the details. I'll report whatever I can find out. Hopefully it'll be in the early evening or something, so I can stop by the studio on my way home and provide audience-type services. ;> At any rate, I'll probably be able to get a tape of it. >I missed that, but I just happened to be >getting in my car minutes later, and happened to also be listening to PKN and >the next four songs they played were Tori's version of Thank You, some song by >someone I had never heard of, Good Enough, and then Calling All Angels. I felt >like they were specifically there for my listening enjoyment! Was this early in the evening, between 6 and 10 PM? Binnie Klein is on at that time on alternate Saturdays, and if she had a computer she'd be a prime candidate for ecto-- she plays the stuff Tamar listed above all the time, and more. When I lived in New Haven I listened to her show religiously, and talk- ed to her quite a bit. I even sent her a tape of some Rainbirds stuff which she said she loved, but she hadn't had any luck finding any of their CDs last I heard. She's really neat, and has awesome taste in music. :) On a completely unrelated note, does anyone out there know what FOX did with The Critic? It used to be on right after the Simpsons on Sunday nights but now it's not, and this greatly disappoints me... +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"Though she's just in her twenties, Sarah McLachlan is a throwback to the | | days when female singers weren't expected to cuss like truck drivers." | | -- The New Yorker magazine, March 20, 1995 | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk (Jens P. Brage) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 00:56:08 MET Subject: Klaus of the Week Hi! Well, I fell asleep before I could finish the klaus I announced, so here it is, a couple of days late; now, didn't you all miss it? ;-) Let's start out with the music comments: One of my friends has told me that Diamanda Galas is to lead the choir in a new Danish dance-performance based on the tragedy of Medea. She should be well suited for that performance! ;-) I'll let you know when more concrete info are available - such as recordings of the music... In a related vein, Klaus noted: > Some notes about Sainkho will have to wait a bit longer. I'm still > trying to adjust my ears (and part of my brain) to what I'm hearing. Well, you've all better be patient: Klaus is going to need a lot of time for that particular adjustment! He chose the most experimental of the albums... :-) Switching to the entirely opposite side of the ectospectrum, Michael Pearce praises Noa: > Most resident on my player, though, is Noa. I just _love_ her > voice. Her band, the arrangements, everything. I wonder if she will > ever play the Northwest. I would also love to get ahold of her two > earlier albums; do any ectovians have access? I quite agree; I really like tracks like "Wild Flower" or "Child Of Man" or "Ave Maria" or - well... ;-) Could be interesting to locate the other albums... Wolfgang earns the prize for "best new info of the month": > For those of you interested in German artists: BoBo In White > Wooden Houses made their third album, called "Cosmic Ceiling". !!!YEAH!!! I wasn't even sure that the band was still around, and now there's even a new album... Hope this is as good as their first album - and that they *do* play a concert in Copenhagen this time (the last time around, the announced concert was cancelled! :-(). Albert gets quite close to the prize as well, with this info on the new Innocence Mission album: > It is out. I unexpectedly found a copy of it while browsing the > new releases in a local CD store. [...] Please note that I live in > The Netherlands, so your mileage may vary. Hmm, think I'll have to visit a CD store - I haven't actually bought any CDs for about a month! :-) Btw., I can now put a name to the new Mari Boine CD: "Leihkastin" (Polygram). Haven't found it yet, though... Ranjan asks: > Would we be able to squeeze in Marianne Faithfull into "ecto" > fare. I'd say so! I've finally located copy of "A Child's Adventure" (I've been looking for it ever since I heard "Falling from Grace" on Vickie's SiG-III tape) - what a great album! Finally, a few notes on Sarah McLachlan: I belong to the "Solace" minority, preferring that album over "Touch" and FtE, and I find that I like the songs on "The Freedom Sessions" better than the FtE `originals' - perhaps it's the simpler production which allows her voice better room (as on "Solace")... Has anybody else noticed how much one of the tracks ("Grace and Pride", I think) from Capercaillie's self-titled album sounds like Sarah McLachlan? It's most noticeable when you hear the music of the corner of you ear, so to write... Quite an interesting album, btw... - -o- More on the computer side of life, Neil K. suggests a family album: > Actually, this reminds me of something I've been thinking about > for a while. What do people think of the idea of an Ecto family > album on the Ecto home page? Nice idea... One more reason to get a decent photo of myself and scan it... > First, should this be a public page (linked to the various Ecto > pages and whatnot) or a private one (not linked to anything so you > need to know its URL to get to it)? I'd say, make it public! The members list for ecto is public anyway, and the privacy of such a page would be so-so anyway... > Heck, I could register ecto.org as a domain - I don't think it's > taken! :) Greg replies: > i confess i've given the matter some thought in weeks past. [...] > it'd be pleasant to have the list address be ecto@ecto.org, but > hardly essential. anyone else got an opinion? I think it would be a great idea; perhaps we could arrange mail addresses in the ecto domain for all the ecto members - that would be rather neat... Either an alias list for individual ectophiles (e.g., brage@ecto.org) could be maintained at ecto.org, or MX records could be used to redirect mail to machines in the domain (e.g., brage@sphere.ecto.org). The advantage of the first solution would be that it's neat and simple, but as it could load your lines, this address would only be useful for initial contacts; the other solution wouldn't load your system... > one notes that i would gladly provide the service on such a > machine of providing space for Ectophile homepages... Even neater... :-) Jens P. Brage | Why don't they give me tape? Why don't they brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | make it so I know what to do? Why don't they /\ | make it so I feel better about this? \SphereSoft | Has the Computer forgotten about me? ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 21:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: jewel promotion, walking out on laurie etc. Methandwoj put me in my place on Jewel promotion. I concede that just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (Do I have all my negatives lined up right there?) On Sun, 16 Apr 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > The people in line who were most vociferously bitching about it were saying, > "When I lived in Israel, bombs weren't something you played with. They're > not something to joke about, especially when you're constantly living with > the fear that one might go off next to you at any time." Which seemed to me > to be exactly the point Laurie had been trying to make, but I didn't dare > say anything. I guess if you are too close to a situation, it can be hard to find the humor or irony in it. I've been stupid enough to point out the ironic in personal situations before. Amazingly enough, the people might actually recognize the irony (or maybe not), but they definitely fail to see the humor in it. I guess that was probably the case here. > > >I picked up a copy of the CD-ROM of the Puppet Motel that night, and my > >memory upgrade arrived today so I could play with it. > > Eeep! How ignorant am I, I didn't even know such a thing existed! Where > can one who didn't attend one of the shows find it? > I had never heard of this either, but they had them at the shows. Better still (for you), they had them at Tower. I'm not sure when it came out or why I haven't seen a mention of it anywhere, since it carries a 1994 copyright date. Anyway, it is available outside the shows. It's a Voyager CD-ROM (e-mail catalog@voyaterco.com: web http://www.voyagerco.com) and is only available for the Mac. The things a memory hog, and I still come close to running out of memory even with my new upgrade. Here are the requirements: At least 8 Mbytes of installed RAM (5,500K free); at lest 12 Mbytes recommended for Power Macintosh (and you can't use virtual memory). A hard drive with at least 14 Mbytes free space. plus at least a 13-inch monitor and system 7 operating system. Hope that's helpfull. Neal ------------------------------ From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 21:41:24 -0400 Subject: Re: jewel promotion, walking out on laurie etc. Meredith wondered: > On a completely unrelated note, does anyone out there know what FOX did with > The Critic? It used to be on right after the Simpsons on Sunday nights but > now it's not, and this greatly disappoints me... There was a commercial for an all-new _Critic_ during this week's _Simpsons_. It said _The Critic_ would be back next week at its regular time (i.e. after _The Simpsons_). In the mean time, I suffered through 2 excruciating minutes of _House of Buggin'_ before switching the TV off and putting in a CD. Stuart ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 22:11:59 -0400 Subject: shallow fluffy crap Hi people! (Also cats. And dogs too. Heck, let's be PC and we'll throw in rodentia. Or to be simple, how about all life of any size or shape or configuration? Then let's be doubly PC and throw in inanimate matter. Geez, this is getting hard. Start again.) Greetings Universe (or that part of it reached by the net...) In a recent post to ecto, meth included the following sentence: (edited here for your convenience) > But unfortunately, >for every Tori and Jewel there are dozens of Mariah Careys and Vanessa Williamses >ad nauseam to fill the vast majority of the airwaves with shallow fluffy >crap. Bravo, and I think you've come up with a great name for a band there. Actually, the problem isn't so much the "artists" themselves as it is the vast public who settle for this level of ear candy. As was said before, most folks are not as deeply into music as we tend to be. A lot of people my age either listen only to the music of their youth, or don't bother much with it at all. In a way it's a shame, for there is so much rewarding art out there. But to be rewarded you have to work at it, listen long and hard, and most of all, Feel. Ah well, then, let it go. I've quoted Zappa enough, also P.T. Barnum, what can we do but keep on listening and feeling, and let the Great Majority go on buying Mariah Carey et al. (IMHO, M.C.'s high registered supersonic trilling has all the depth of chalk misapplied to a blackboard, but then she sells more records than Happy ever dreamed of, so I'm the one who's out of step here. I know this!) Well, enough ranting! Meth hit upon one of my triggers, so to her I say "Amen, sister!" and that's that. Now who will I expect to be seeing at The Middle East this friday? Warmest regards to all of you, with extra thanks for seriously loving music. Music is a gift to humanity, a gift that affords us the barest glimpse of Heaven, capable of filling our souls with all of the emotions of life. Robert, getting ready to start usenet group alt.shallow.fluffy.crap...not ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: shallow fluffy crap Robert Lovejoy writes: > Now who will I expect to be seeing at The Middle East this friday? Well, I (and a few other dedicated Happy show-goers) won't be able to make it due to a conflict (we all hold tix to see Phillip Glass that we bought when Happy was supposed play on Saturday). I'm a little bummed about missing the show, but it's a hell of a drive from Boston to Philly just to see her for an hour, anyway. Be sure to say hi to Happy, Bob! Jeff - -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@jane.camex.com) "I'll be youah race-cah drivah..." -- Jewel "Pahrk youah race-cah in Havahad Yahd?" -- Anja [smoe] ------------------------------ From: Jason and the tiny curly girl Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 22:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ecto mush Been a lot of people and builders on the ecto mush, which includes chat rooms for ecto, rdt, fte, and whatever else people feel like making. Instructions on how to get there, a sample newbie logon, the mush manual, and the mush client faq are available by www from http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/mush.html jason ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 01:33:00 -0400 Subject: Re: catching up with ecto Meth's weekly (or so) klauses are certainly a handy way to stay up to date on ecto happenings (-: At 10:14 PM 4/15/95, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > >> so i have yet to hear the new jill sobule album. i hope that it >>is stronger even than her real debut. does anyone know why they are >>touting this album as her debut? > > >> i wonder if labels are coming to the realization that there is a >>market for what are ecto artists. with the success of tori and sarah i >>think that they are finally coming around. > >Possibly... I think at least Atlantic Records has come around somewhat since >the success of Tori -- they signed Jewel, for example. But unfortunately, It's interesting to note that Jill Sobule's latest release is on Atlantic as well. I'm glad I picked up her self-titled CD...it's very eclectic, and definatly reccomended! I love the mournful wail of the steel guitar on "Trains"... >To close, a final note: Heard "Feed The Fire" on Echoes last night whilst >driving home from the Nields show. It's always great to hear Happy on the >radio, especially on a national show like that. Any firm date yet for the >broadcast of the living room concert? I can't wait! Umm, uh, I'm a tad behind on my ecto reading (would you believe 958 messages in the latest ecto folder). What's up with the 'living room concert'? Jeff - -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@camex.com) |"I'll be youah race-car drivah..." -- Jewel | [smoe] |"Pahrk youah race-cah in Havahad Yahd?" -- Anja | ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 01:33:10 -0400 Subject: Re: catching up with ecto At 2:13 AM 4/16/95, Neal Copperman wrote: >On Sat, 15 Apr 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > >> Possibly... I think at least Atlantic Records has come around somewhat since >> the success of Tori -- they signed Jewel, for example. > >I really have to wonder what Atlantic is doing with Jewel though. Has >anyone seen a single ad for her disc. They kindly released it as a cheap >disc (The latest Pulse, with Mariane Faithful on the cover, lists it's >price at $10.99.), but they don't seem to be supporting it at all. Jewel >travels around and does these grueling series of shows, all without any >promotion at all (that I saw, at least). Has anyone seen any evidence of >support from Atlantic? When she was playing in Boston, we saw quite a few mini-posters around Harvard Square announcing her show at the Kendall Cafe. I found plenty of her CDs in stores, filed under a "Jewel" card. Compare this to my latest shopping experience while I was looking for Jill Sobule's CD. There was just a single copy filed under 'Misc. S'. Now, I do recall that the CD was listed at $10.99, and I bought during one of Newbury Comics' label sales. All Atlantic CDs were $2 or $3 off, so Jewel's CD ended up being $8 or $9.... Jeff - -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@camex.com) |"I'll be youah race-car drivah..." -- Jewel | [smoe] |"Pahrk youah race-cah in Havahad Yahd?" -- Anja | ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 01:33:18 -0400 Subject: Re: What do you say when ... At 5:51 PM 4/11/95, RedGtrGirl@aol.com wrote: >neal@zombie.ncsc.mil asked... > >>Any thoughts on this? Speak up or slink out? Or some further alternative >I haven't thought of? Like sending a letter and signing it "a concerned fan >who is too pathetic to confront you face to face."< > >Pathetic.... nah.... it's a common emotion among fans of bands like Yes and >Marillion, who are used to great fluctuations in quality. > >I'm not familiar at all with BETTY, but all too familiar with the feeling of >disenchantment when a band you enjoy changes direction and is no longer >interesting - or worse - when you feel the band is "selling out" (or they >just plain suck). Very good point. I remember being very disenchanted with Thomas Dolby after The _Flat Earth_ came out. It was very, very different than _Golden Age of Wireless_, and I didn't buy it when it first came out. Later, I bought it and now I think it's by far one of the best things he's done. We are always changing, and so are the artists we listen to. It'd be a boring world if no one ever changed.... Just my 2.5 yen.... Jeff ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 01:35:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Jill Sobule >...I stayed up very late last night, and fleur stayed up even later because >the guy hosting 120 Minutes couldn't say "Julie" correctly and we thought >he said "Jewel". Sigh. I did the same thing, but in the end I was pleasantly suprised (-: Jeff - -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@camex.com) |"I'll be youah race-car drivah..." -- Jewel | [smoe] |"Pahrk youah race-cah in Havahad Yahd?" -- Anja | ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 01:35:56 -0400 Subject: Mae Moore (Was Re: new purchases from the bargain bin) At 11:06 AM 3/27/95, Chandra L. Sriram wrote: >well, i made the mistake of going into a cd store again, but this time it >was none too painful since i only got bargain cds. two were albums >recently mentioned here, but they came out a ffew years ago. > >mae moore, bohemia, which is mostly updeat and pretty. i like it well >enough, and for 3.99 you can't go wrong. Agreed! I found this in a bargin bin as well, and it was easily worth twice the price. With most of Sarah M's band playing on it, it would be impossible to be a dud. BTW, I can blame woj for making me buy this one as well. Once you are exposed to the massive collection of woj & meth, you know where your money will be going (-: Does anyone know about Mae's future plans? - -j ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 03:30:18 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Michael Klouda (kloudman@pipeline.com) ****************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 06 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus John Warren Mon May 08 1961 Taurus - the Ox Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Kathy Fitzgerald Mon May 11 1970 Lovey Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 00:30:56 -0700 Subject: Sally Oldfield? Does this name ring a bell with anyone? I was at a party on Saturday, there a lull in the conversation, and someone put a disc on. I didn't hear the beginning of it, since I was across the room arguing the digital position in the perennial digital-vs- traditionalist audiophile debate, and there was this woman's voice, singing very clearly, with sort of a dance-y background. And I just sort of turned around and blurted, "Sarah McLachlan covers ABBA?" which broke everybody up. Someone else yelled, "you got the decade right!" but by the time I could pick my way past the shrieking-underfoot-children the jewel box had disappeared, someone said her name was Sally Oldfield, the album was from 1978, and no one else could place the name. And it really was very nice music, more ectoish than not. - -- Michael mcb@postmodern.com Visit the INFOBAHN home page --> http://www.postmodern.com/ ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:49:52 +1200 Subject: Re: Sam Brown Lynn writes: > As for _The Kissing Gate_ [...] The only extra you get is a song she > did on a 7" single _Can I Get A Witness_ and by the way, this track is > on the UK version of _Stop!_. The packaging is cheap...no fold out or > anything and has a shot of Sam singing live on the cover. I have > enjoyed all three of Sam's cd's, too and prefer _Stop_ and _43 Minutes_ > to _April Moon_. Any news on a new release? That's a shame :/ I might add that, imho, "Can I Get a Witness" is one of the worst songs Sam has done... I differ slightly in that I think that Sam's albums have gotten better with each release (ie. I like "April Moon" more than "Stop!") As for news of future releases, I'm afraid I have none, but I do remember a post here on Ecto a long time ago about Sam (which I tried to find again once and was unable to... I'd thought I'd kept a copy) which, if I recall rightly, said that she'd been over to Russia where she'd had some successful concerts. I don't remember if that post mentioned any recording plans... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 02:17:28 -0700 Subject: Sallyagnie: Children of the Sun I heard Sally Oldfield mentioned a little bit ago, and was wondering if she was part of the group Sallyangie. I gave the record to my mom for a present, so all I have is a tape (it was a long search at used record stores for the only copy I could find). I haven't heard them for quite a while, so I think I'll have to give a listen. And on the other side is Tim Buckley's "Hello and Goodbye"... - -Richard (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 02:24:24 -0700 Subject: Renaissance lyrics, anyone? Hello, all: I was wondering if anyone knew of any sites where I could get lyrics for the group Renaissance. I have only reissues on CD handy (I and II), and these don't provide lyrics. Any other Renaissance fans? Do you know if their stuff is going to / has been reissued other than in the collection ("Tales of 1001 Nights I and II)? I found a Japanese import of Prologue, but no others so far (although I must admit I haven't searched very hard, not having any trouble finding things to relieve myself of cash over...). Cheers, Richard (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "The Gate . . ." Screening (LA) (fwd) Kaleidospace writes: > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 01:37:41 -0800 > To: dolby@kspace.com > From: Kaleidospace > Subject: "The Gate . . ." Screening (LA) > > Dolby Listmembers in L.A. Area: > > There is a sneak preview screening of "The Gate to the Mind's Eye" at the > Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles Monday evening, April 17, at 7:30pm. > Free passes are available at Tower Video locations (Sunset, Westwood > and Sherman Oaks). Seating is limited, so get there early. > > Thomas Dolby and Dr. Fiorella Terenzi (who co-wrote and sings vocals > on "Quantum Mechanic" and "N.E.O." on the album/video) will make a > personal appearance. > > If you miss the show (sorry, we just found out!), it actually starts for > the public Tuesday, April 18th and runs weekly Tues and Thurs at 4:30pm. > > For more info, contact the Griffith Observatory: 213-664-1191 > > Hope to see you there! > > Jeannie & Pete > > Kaleidospace (editors@kspace.com) > P.O. Box 341556 > Los Angeles, CA 90034 > 310/399-4349 (voice) > 310/396-5489 (fax) > > http://kspace.com -- gopher.kspace.com -- ftp.kspace.com ------------------------------ From: sra5@psu.edu (Sarah Andrews) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:49:27 -0400 Subject: Re: So... >From: jbshark@netcom.com (Jeanne B. Schreiter) >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:10:09 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: So... > >So...I admit to being slack in the ectoworld... > >Anyone heard of The Dave Matthews Band first album..and can anyone give >me a critique on it? > > >....there is only one mind in which to focus > > Jeanne > [exiting lurk mode] I can tell you a little bit about it. It's called "Remember Two Things," it was put out on their independent label, Bama Rags Records, and it has a nifty little 3-d stereovision image on the cover. Most of the songs were recorded live, and since DMB has been best known (until the recent MTV invasion) as a live band, it gives a pretty good feel as to what they're about. Two of the songs on this album - Ants Marching and Satellite - also appear on "Under the Table and Dreaming," their newest album, in slightly modified forms. What can I say but that it is amazing to hear a band with such diverse elements - largely saxophone, violin, and acoustic guitar - come together and sound so GOOD! And there is a lot more to the band than What Would You Say, which can be seen even on their latest album. pax, Sarah [re-lurking] "There's a sound across the alley of cold metal touching skin. And you can see if you look in her window that she has gone and cut her hair again... in straight lines." --Suzanne Vega ------------------------------ From: justicek@edge.ercnet.com (Kim Justice) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:59:37 -0500 Subject: ecto: Linden Music Web Page Hi! If you've got a WWW browser, check out http://www.nets.com/LINDEN.HTM There's a picture of ME in there! The ecto connection is somewhat tenuous (i.e. me), but I hope you'll forgive me the wasted bandwidth in mentioning this. ...okay, so I'm easily impressed... - -- justicek@edge.ercnet.com (Kim Justice) "Where there's smoke, there's work." -- Firesign Theatre ------------------------------ From: "Alucard (Dr.)" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:01:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Sally Oldfield? Ah, I believe I can field this one... :-) Michael asked about Sally Oldfield, and whether it rang a bell.. well, Tubular ones to be exact! She's Mike Oldfield's sister. Before he became famous with Tubular Bells back in 1971 (?) the two of them formed a folk duet. I heard some of the stuff but wasn't that impressed. Sally went on to have a couple of minor single hits in the UK, with a song called "Mirrors", amongst others. She put out several albums, which never really did very much. When I was in Germany a couple of years ago, I saw she had released a new album, under the name "Natasha Oldfield", which, to me, sounded more polished than her 70s stuff. I have never seen it here in the USA, though. Sally also did some backing vocals work for Mike on his earlier albums, too. Hope this enlightens, Alucard (Dr.) [with "two slightly sampled electric guitars"!] ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Renaissance lyrics, anyone? I'm only a mild Renaissance fan (thanks to Jeff Hanson), but I had noticed a number of discs had been popping up with regularity in the bins, and not just the compilation or imports. I can't recall the names, but I do remember seeing them. Neal ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Mae Moore Jeff asked: > Does anyone know about Mae's future plans? She was supposed to have a disc out in Canada last month. I even used to know what it was going to be called, but now I can't remember. I haven't heard anything about it so far. I will ask on alt.music.canada and report if I hear anything. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mae Moore Well, I checked out alt.music.canada and there was a thread on the very subject of when her next album is coming out. Here's the word: Mae Moore Dragonfly will be available across Canada (Epic Records) on May 9, 1995, in the U.S. on May 23, 1995 (TriStar Music). - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kathleen Yearwood touring Some of you may remember my latest rave about Kathleen Yearwood. Here's some info swiped from alt.music.canada about her upcoming tour. From: subterra@also.hooked.net (Steven Tupper) [1] Kathleen Yearwood & Kyp Harness on tour Date: Sun Apr 16 16:22:31 PDT 1995 Organization: Subterranean Records & Distribution Lines: 71 Two rather extraordinary Canadian acoustic performers will be heading south and west to Northern California in late April and early May. KATHLEEN YEARWOOD and KYP HARNESS have received much acclaim in Canada, and Ms. Yearwood is just starting to become known in the US as well, with the release of her latest CD. Entitled "Book of Hate," the 12 track CD features her incredible voice and radical, lyrical songwriting skills showcased via recordings done in Alberta by Dave Mockford. Yearwood herself lives sans electricity in a rustic cabin far off the power grid, near the remote town of Egremont, north of Edmonton. Her songs reflect some of the isolation to which she is accustomed with their stark backgrounds provided by guitar accompaniment with occasional splashes of color provided by breaking glass, typewriters, trumpet, pennywhistle, cello and other unique tonal backdrops. It ain't the easiest thing to describe in music-industry-speak, so suffice to say "It's damn good" (and different). If you've already figured out Liz Phair is just a Gen X-esque Carly Simon, try out a sample of Kathleen Yearwood... She ain't the flavor of the month, that's for sure. Her previous releases include a 7" single released in 1992 available via Mordam Records entitled "Universal Incest," a self released cassette "Dead Branches Make A Noise" that garnered her much acclaim in the underground folk music scene and some compilation appearances including an appearance on the Komotion Live & Kicking series. Toronto singer-songwriter Kyp Harness will also appear at most events. He's got a bunch of daringly-Dylanesque material he'll be showcasing for the first time in the U.S. He also will be flogging his own most recent CD, "Welcome to the Revolution." Here's the current casually confirmed itinerary... Tuesday, April 18 - Blackbyrd, Edmonton Thursday, April 20 - Night Gallery, Calgary Friday, April 21 - Planet Live, Salmon Arm BC Saturday, April 22 - Malcolm Lowery Room, Vancouver BC Tuesday, April 25 - Satyricon, Portland OR Wednesday, April 26 - New Max's, Eugene OR Friday, April 28 - 5-6:00 pm @ FOOTHILL COLLEGE Rush Hour Radio on KFJC FM - live on air performance from Los Altos Friday, April 28 - 9:00 pm @ KOMOTION, 2779 16th St. San Francisco appearing with semi-secret-special guests! Saturday, April 29 - 12 noon @ SOUPSTOCK '95 - Food Not Bombs outdoor festival at the bandshell in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. Saturday, April 29 - 2:30 pm @ RASPUTINS RECORDS - Telegraph Avenue store, Berkeley live in-store appearance Sunday, April 30 - 2:30 pm @ 16th NOTE RECORDS (16th St. @ Albion) San Francisco in-store appearance Sunday, April 30 - 7:00 pm @ HOTEL UTAH (4th & Bryant) San Francisco Tuesday, May 2 - 6:30 pm @ 18 Sycamore St. San Francisco - underground coffeehouse Friday, May 5 - New Max's, Eugene OR Saturday, May 6 - O.K. Hotel, Seattle WA ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 11:34:00 +0000 Subject: weekend update... Ugh....it's Monday again. Saturday night I had the pleasure of seeing Throwing Muses and Ass Ponys at the Vic Theatre in Chicago. I was somewhat unfamiliar with Kristin's work with the Muses except for Red Heaven and Real Ramona which were given to me on cassette by a well-meaning friend - who didn't bother to copy the song titles for me! What I can say was - I am a true convert now (I am certainly going to go out and pick up at least "University" on CD). For all that I've heard about her personal battles with depression and bad relationships, her music still shines through. Although she focused on one spot in the balcony, and pretty much avoided eye contact with the audience, the band was energetic, and tight. There wasn't hardly time to breathe between songs - she spoke very little to the audience except to say that her mom was there in the crowd (my assumption being that because Tanya was in Chicago the night before, maybe "mom" was there to see the both of them in one weekend). Before the show they played several tracks from (a personal fave of mine) the soundtrack of "Blade Runner". I recognized it instantly.! After the show I asked the (female!) sound engineer about the music and she said the guys (in the Muses) picked that CD. She commented that while many people ask about the tunes, few people recognize where they come from. Anyway, I give the show a thumbs up. The only down part of the whole evening was getting repeatedly elbowed in the back by the moshing youngsters in the front section where I was standing (for the first 8 or so songs). Being vertically challenged, I decided the best place for me would perhaps be further back in the theatre somewhere. Oh yeah.... I liked Ass Ponys better live than on their tape. Somewhat like early R.E.M. - with a sense of humor. On tape their lead singer sounds a bit too whiney for my taste. ....on an unrelated thread... Last night, on the way home from another fun-filled family event (dinner with the relatives - ugh.... but I won't bore you with THOSE details) I was radio surfing and came upon a KLASSIC ROK (sic) radio station playing one of my favorite CD's I had not thought about in quite some time. Supertramp's "Even in the Quietest Moments" While I love the whole darn thing, side 2 -- ooops, I mean, the last track on the album (CD)- "Fool's Overture" is IMO brilliant. I got to see them during the last tour they did with Roger Hodgson, from the 3rd row - truly memorable! Anyone else out there fans of this band ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Lastly..... I guess I must be a dolt, but I don't share the world's enthusiasm with Liz Phair. I guess I liked her better with "Exile in Guyville" than on "Whipsmart".... but truth is... that girl can't sing! I will agree that she sounds pretty good on CD - effects units and multi-tracking can do a lot for an adequate singer with good pop sensibility (which she has) - but the whole business about her stage fright and cancelling her tour - now having to do it "unplugged" (unless she's added a band within the last month or so...) just doesn't sit right with me. Live - she has the personality of a turnip! I have great respect for Andy Partridge of XTC - who suffers from crippling stage fright - that doesn't allow for touring. But sheesh! getting the golden opportunity to take your music on the road and get paid for it - what a GIFT! In my curmudgeonly opinion, she should go back to Wicker Park and make her CD's, but with no illusions of live performance! It would be cool to see Jewell - but I'm sure she will be around at the coffee houses again soon. enough for now.. Back to my cage.... Amy ------------------------------ From: Tom Pinkl Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Supertramp Amy wrote: > Supertramp's "Even in the Quietest Moments" While I love the whole darn > thing, side 2 -- ooops, I mean, the last track on the album (CD)- "Fool's > Overture" is IMO brilliant. I got to see them during the last tour they > did with Roger Hodgson, from the 3rd row - truly memorable! Anyone else out > there fans of this band ? YES! I also saw them on that tour (and could have cried when Roger announced he was leaving the band). 3rd row ... I'm green! BTW Roger's first solo album was excellent. I don't recall the title just now, but I'll pull out the vinyl if anyone's interested. - -- Thomas J. Pinkl (tom@hbsrx.com) Unix Systems Programmer Health Business Systems, Inc. 1300 Industrial Hwy. Southampton, Pa 18966 215-364-4308 ext. 3034 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #80 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu