From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #79 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 13 April 1995 Volume 02 : Number 079 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Mendelson Date: 12 Apr 95 14:16:33 EDT Subject: Lavin Bio Here's another gem for you Christine Lavin fans: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:31:36 -0400 From: "mangano" To: folk_music@nysernet.org Subject: Christine Lavin bio Message-ID: Sender: "mangano" Subject: Christine Lavin bio Here's a bio that Christine wrote for her WWW page -- she had fun with it, and I thought I'd share it with those of you who don't have Web access yet. For those of you who can access the Web, the site is http://www.automatrix.com/~lavin. Tom Mangano *** Biography (from Christine) NAME: CHRISTINE LAVIN BORN: 1/2/52 EDUCATION: Assumption School, Lakemont Academy, then BS in English, SUNY Brockport,1974 (changed my major seven times in college) MARITAL STATUS: Taken OCCUPATION: Singer/songwriter/recording artist/producer CURRENT AFFILIATION: Perpetual member of the FIBS club (Fickle Independent Bitch Society - you, too, may be a member but just don't know it.) TEENAGE IDOLS: Peter Paul & Mary THE PERSON WHO HAD THE MOST IMPACT ON MY LIFE: Jimmy Terrosian. We had a bike collision when I was 10, chipped three of my teeth, which led to a root canal in one of those teeth when I was 20, which is being repaired again now, as we speak. If I ever run into him again, I'm going to smack him. MY MOTHER'S BEST ADVICE: Never put anything in writing you wouldn't want to see printed in The New York Times. Or did Judy Holliday say that? FIRST JOB: Switchboard operator/receptionist at a convent in 1969. It was so difficult! They all looked alike! I accidentally disconnected a man with a heavy accent who was calling from Rome - three times I disconnected him! I know St. Peter's going to give me grief over this in the future. WORST JOB: Black raspberry picker on a farm in Dundee, NY later that same summer of 1969. Daddy Long-Legs spiders lived in the bushes. I was petrified the whole time, and ran to the next bush if I saw a spider, no matter how many berries I missed. I was paid by how many berries picked, worked for one week and made $7.10. MUSICAL INFLUENCES: Laura Weber (the TV teacher on public TV - I learned by watching her when I was 12 years old); Dave Van Ronk, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Tom Paxton, Bob Dylan FIRST PUBLIC PERFORMANCE: A Hootenanny for the local Girl Scout and Boy Scout troops in Peekskill, NY when I was 14. FIRST PAID PERFORMANCE: The Crypt Coffeehouse in Brockport, NY around 1971. They passed the hat. I think I made $11. FIRST RECORDING: "Christine Lavin: Absolutely Live", 1981, Lifesong Records HEROES: Pete Seeger, Anita Hill, Dave Van Ronk LATEST RECORDING: "Please Don't Make Me Too Happy" on Shanachie Records, 1995 FAVORITE SONGWRITERS: Dar Williams, Suzanne Vega, Peter Nelson, Bill Morrissey, Michael McNevin, plus see "Musical Influences" above. WHAT'S ON MY TURNTABLE NOW: "Lifelines," the new PP&M album. I WISH I COULD BE: An ice skater with the style of Oksana Bajul, the legs of Nancy Kerrigan, the determination of Tonya Harding (without the bad influences), the spinning ability of Kurt Browning, the athleticism of Surya Bonalie, the flexibility of Denise Biellman, the jumps of Elvis Stojko, the spirit of Viktor Petrenko, the outfits of Sonja Henie, and the moves of the French ice dancing pair, the Duscheneys. Is that too much to ask? WHEN I'M NERVOUS, I: vibrate like crazy. I WISH I COULD: learn how to take naps. How do you do that? BOOK THAT CHANGED MY LIFE: My sister Louise's diary. She doesn't know I used to read it. Please don't tell her. FAVORITE MOVIES: Anything starring Sonja Henie. They always worked a winter festival into the plot; she was always the queen and would skate like crazy. I also love "Peggy Sue Got Married." IF I'VE LEARNED ONE THING IN MY LIFE IT'S: Don't get too upset over anything. No matter how bad it looks, things will get better. Ride out the storm. On the other hand, no matter how good things are going now, don't get used to it, because it won't last. I'M BEST KNOWN FOR: My baton twirling. I'd like to say it's my songwriting, but it's not. There are rumors that I twirl batons lit on fire. I usually don't contradict those stories, but I'm telling you here, they're not true. BEHIND MY BACK THEY SAY: Christine Lavin isn't as nice as everyone thinks she is. She's got quite a temper. But it's not true! I am nice, damn it, and I'll smack anybody who says I've got a temper! MY BEST HOUR OF THE DAY IS: When I do my exercise walk in the park, listening to music on my Walkman. It gets my mojo working. EVERY NEW YEAR'S EVE I RESOLVE: to exercise more, but then, you know, I lie down, and wait for that exercise feeling to pass. MY BEST ASSET IS: My resilience, which I get from my mom. After having nine children, she's learned how to take everything in stride. MY WORST HABIT IS: Watching Court TV. I'm addicted. I fantasize about being a guest commentator, saying things like, "LOOK IN HIS EYES!! HE'S GUILTY AS SIN!! LOCK HIM UP FOR LIFE!! THROW AWAY THE KEY!!! LET'S GO TO A COMMERCIAL!!!" WHEN I FEEL LOW I: get involved with a good book, or listen to a songwriter who's more depressed than I am, or watch Court TV and thank my lucky stars it's not me on the hot seat. I NEVER COULD: Eat an oyster. They look so gross! WHEN I'M IN THE SHOWER I SING: The theme from Court TV, with the special lyrics I've written: What were you thinking?/ You'd get away?/ All of your neighbors are watching you mess up today/ Your reputation is ruined/ you've really flubbed/ now let's hear a word from our sponsor, "The Club." MY FAVORITE YEAR: The one novocaine was invented. I'D LOVE TO HAVE DINNER WITH: The restaurant reviewer for The New York Times. I'd tell her to stop using the word "gutsy" to describe certain sauces. It brings to mind images of guts floating in blood. Yuk. THE ENTREE I'D CHOOSE FOR MY LAST MEAL WOULD BE: Something very sloppy with a million calories. Wouldn't matter now, would it? No, wait a minute. I'd ask for oysters. In a gutsy sauce. Then dying would be a pleasure. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 12 Apr 95 14:16:20 EDT Subject: Here's some Laurie Freelove info I scoffed off f_m: *Sender: Dan Mcmillan Eggleston *Subject: Re: FOLK_MUSIC digest 442 * * Concerning Two Nice Girls, it is sad to report that they are no *longer together. two of the founders (most of the time there were more *than TWO in the group) are gretchen phillilps (who has a new group called *the gretchen phillips experience) & laurie freelove. laurie had a *national release in '91 titled 'smells like truth' which is out of *print. excellent CD which you can find in used sources at times. she is *currented playing around austin with gemma cochran & making wonderful *music. i saw a 30 minute video concert taped recently for local cable. *they will be playing at carezino on apr 7, flipnotics apr 8, electric *lounge apr 11, and ruta maya on apr 14 and apr 28. if you're in austin, *check them out. the two nice girls CDs are also, sadly, out of print. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: lanblind@teleport.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:50:19 -0700 Subject: Re: cd release party >> i, CYOAKHA, lead singer & lyricist of the Ecto-Ethno-Trance-Dance band; >> LAND OF THE BLIND, formally invite all the local Ecto-heads to our CD >> release party for "ONE EYE" this Friday night, April 14th @ 918 S.W. >> Yamhill, 2nd Fl. > >I'd love to come. What city are you in? What country? > >:-) > >Vickie > >> Grand Ballroom (above Art Media) for a strange evening of delights for the >> ears & eyes of all who have been bored and looking for music that breaks >> sound-ground...Doors open @ 8pm, A NAT HEMA plays ambient live soundtrack >> music to Maya Donel films @ 8:30...GYPSY CARAVAN does their tribal dance >> thang @ 9:30 >> & LAND O' BLIND (with local guest dancers interpreting our "MUSIC TO SEE >> BY") will perform our new album @ 10:30...video,dance,film & music for >> ectoheads with >> open minds...questions...e-mail us & we'll tell ya more or call 503-321-5012 >> >> > > >The city, State, country in question are---Portland, Or. USA Land of the Blind ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Lavin Bio On 12 Apr 1995, Mike Mendelson wrote: > > FAVORITE SONGWRITERS: Dar Williams, Suzanne Vega, Peter Nelson, Bill > Morrissey, Michael McNevin, plus see "Musical Influences" above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey cool! McNevin's a local guy; he used to play at open mike night at the local folk club The Freight and Salvage all the time; he still shows up once in a while. Last I heard, he still lives out of his car because he tours coffeehouses incessantly. I put a song of his on the Bay Area Ecto Sampler, and he has a CD out called "Secondhand Story" which I highly recommend. D^2 ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 17:38:03 EDT Subject: marianne faithfull, philip glass, wallace stevens and more! Just got the new Marianne Faithfull _A Secret Life_. I'm not sure that I've seen it mentioned here? Perhaps she isn't ectofare but hey, I sure do like her. This one is basically her lyrics with music by Angelo Badalamenti--the guy who wrote the _Twin Peaks_ and Julie Cruise music. I like this combination!! My only problem is that the cd seems a little short. . . . Anyway--check it out if you've liked Marianne in the past. I currently love a song called "The Wedding" which follows a relationship from beginnings to beyond death. She also included lyrics from Dante (yeah, that hell, heaven, purgatory guy) and Willie the Shake (the end bit from _The Tempest_). And, on an entirely different note, someone asked about _Songs for Liquid Days_. It's fun to get a Glass and Anderson question at the same time! I forget which song, so I'll just type them all in: "Changing Opinion" lyrics by Paul Simon sung by Benard Fowler "Lightning" lyrics by Suzanne Vega sung by Janice Pendarvis "Freezing" lyrics by Suzanne Vega sung by Linda Ronstadt "Liquid Days (Part One)" lyrics by David Byrne sung by The Roches "Open the Kingdom (Liquid Days, part two)" lyrics by David Byrne sung by Douglas Perry "Forgetting" lyrics by Lauie Anderson sung by Linda Ronstadt with backing vocals by The Roches. A pretty interesting collection. All the music is, of course, by Phillip Glass. And a final thing. Someone recently took offence at my sig--the Wallace Stevens quote. He said it was anti-intellectual and had all sorts of Nazish implications?? I guess it could apply to negative thoughts but why not positive ones too? What do you folks think? I thought it was a pretty interesting way to look at information--for a guy writing at the early part of the century. brad - -- Thought is an infection. In the case of certain thoughts, it becomes an epidemic. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:55:11 +1200 Subject: Nightflight Interview Having finally forced myself to sit right through this, I now want to know if we'll ever see a companion to Ted Delorme's Rhodeways cartoon of 'Happy, walking toast' which will show 'Kate, walking the witch' :) Interviewer: "There's another song on _Hounds of Love_ called "Big Sky", I think, where you use a couple of backup singers." KaTe: "Ummmm.." I: Do you use backup singers on this album?" K: No, I don't think... on that track, no." I: Let me see... but, umm... I think so." K : "Do I?" I: "Yeah." K: "Oh, who?" :) ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:52:17 -0400 Subject: Re: What do you say when ... Neal Copperman sez: >Any thoughts on this? Speak up or slink out? Or some further >alternative I haven't thought of? Like sending a letter and >signing it "a concerned fan who is too pathetic to confront you >face to face." as with others, i say speak up. the moderator of the gary numan mailing list recently wrote a letter to gary to congratulate him on the direction that gary's latest album took (a much improved swing in the right direction after some 8-10 years of disappointing releases). a number of us - like 25 or so - on the list added our names to the signature list. this isn't exactly the same situation as this letter was one of approval, but it was also quite clear that no one was terribly impressed with the past 10 years of work that gary had produced. that bit of feedback wasn't news to gary either - the fan club had been telling him that for years. woj ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:56:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Jill Sobule Mike Mendelson sez: >This is a great album, produced by Todd Rundgren. i'd have to agree. i really enjoyed when it was released and a few songs from that album made it to various mix tapes i was making for friends back then. it's light poppy stuff, but it's pretty good nonetheless. ;) >Does anyone have tour information? she's currently opening for robyn hitchcock who will be in chicago on april 15th at park west. other dates can be found on the fegmaniax web page (http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/). >What is the name of her new album? it's self-titled. found a promo copy this afternoon but haven't listened to it yet. woj ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:59:44 -0400 Subject: two nice girls post-mortem >*Sender: Dan Mcmillan Eggleston >*Subject: Re: FOLK_MUSIC digest 442 >* >* Concerning Two Nice Girls, it is sad to report that they are no >*longer together. two of the founders (most of the time there were more >*than TWO in the group) are gretchen phillilps (who has a new group >called the gretchen phillips experience) & laurie freelove. if anyone else is curious, meg hentges (another ex-nice girl) has a solo ep on tim kerr records called _tattoo urge_ which will appeal to the crunchy grindy ectophiles amongst us (think sara craig's first ep or joan osbourne). woj ------------------------------ From: jbshark@netcom.com (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: So... So...I admit to being slack in the ectoworld... Anyone heard of The Dave Matthews Band first album..and can anyone give me a critique on it? ....there is only one mind in which to focus Jeanne ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:08:53 -0700 Subject: Noa, Marianne, Tanita Moths in my wallet lately, replacing the money $pent on ecto-recommendations. I had gambled on the Tanita album, but not really liked it. I will put it aside for a few weeks and hear it fresh. But not two days after, I read here that Marianne Faithfull produced an album with Angelo Badalamente. As a Twin Peaks junkie and lover of Julee's albums I had to get this and did. Loved it! It is good to be able to like Marianne Faithfull again. (I loved her first three albums passionately, way back then. When she returned in the '80s with "Broken English" I cringed at the Tom Waits-like voice she had decayed into. I guess that the years with Mick Jagger will do that to ya.) (Somebody posted that the same thing happened to Joni Mitchell -- but not for the same reason -- I am almost afraid to hear her new album. But then, I didn't like Joni after she started channeling Charlie Parker. 8-) ) Most resident on my player, though, is Noa. I just _love_ her voice. Her band, the arrangements, everything. I wonder if she will ever play the Northwest. I would also love to get ahold of her two earlier albums; do any ectovians have access? Oh, and hi to Cyoakha, et. al, of Land of the Blind, now here on ecto as well. CU at the cd party! (Yes, I'm guilty of getting LotB connected.) mp | mklprc@teleport.com; eworld.com; aol.com - who needs a life? | | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | Moonlight Mac Services (503) 653-5673 <-> help for new Mackers | ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:08:45 -0700 Subject: Max Sharam and Melanie anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes, >Sheesh, my last bit of mail about Max hasn't even left my system to fly onto >Ecto yet, and here's another already. :) I got an advance tape of the album >"A Million Year Girl" today, and I'm listening to it now; I'll wait until >I've heard it properly before doing a report on it, but from what I've heard >so far (basically side one of the tape) it's pretty commercial stuff, though >with a few twists. > >Lay Down (Candles In The Rain) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >The album's out May 15th. > >Apologies to Ectopeople outside Australia/NZ, to whom none of the above is >likely to be of the slightest bit of interest. :) Guess what, I'm interested. Any Melanie Safka fans out there? I loved her early albums, and I guess she made an impression on Max Sharam too, motivating her cover of "Lay Down." Does she sound anything like Melanie? Will this album be available via net.sales or official US release? mp | mklprc@teleport.com; eworld.com; aol.com - who needs a life? | | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | Moonlight Mac Services (503) 653-5673 <-> help for new Mackers | ------------------------------ From: Jason and the tiny curly girl Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 00:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ecto virtual-party People seem to be comming and going pretty well in the mush room--its gotten quite huge as others have built on. I figgered, how about a little housewarming party tommorrow, at 11:00am EST and 10:30pm EST to give both sides of the world a shot! jason Jason & Jill Greshes-Philadelphia,PA-jgreshes@netaxs.com-jgreshes@dfw.net roxy music list: e-mail avalon-request@dfw.net w/ message subscribe avalon echo&bmen list: e-mail seven-seas-request@dfw.net w/ subscribe seven-seas echo www page: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/echo.html ------------------------------ From: Albert Philipsen Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:51:20 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: The Innocence Mission - Glow "Chandra L. Sriram" wrote: >it has apparently been pushed back to june. > >chandra > >On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Ken Descoteaux wrote: > >> Did the Innocence Mission's Glow ever get released? I had thought it was >> supposed to be out by now, but its not listed in the catalog?? >> >> -Ken It is out. I unexpectedly found a copy of it while browsing the new releases in a local CD store. It surely made my day. :) The copy I have is released by A&M Records, number 540 332-2. Please note that I live in The Netherlands, so your mileage may vary. Albert ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 13 Apr 95 10:03:12 EDT Subject: speaking up which Neal Copperman sez: >Any thoughts on this? Speak up or slink out? Or some further >alternative I haven't thought of? Like sending a letter and >signing it "a concerned fan who is too pathetic to confront you >face to face." Actually, come to think of it, the best example of this is right here on ecto. If it weren't for some early ectophiles taking the initiative of transcribing lyrics and strongly urging (begging?) happy to release the 1st 4 on CD, it might have never happened! - -mjm ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Innocence Mission - Glow On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Albert Philipsen wrote: > "Chandra L. Sriram" wrote: > > >it has apparently been pushed back to june. > > > >chandra > > > >On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Ken Descoteaux wrote: > > > >> Did the Innocence Mission's Glow ever get released? I had thought it was > >> supposed to be out by now, but its not listed in the catalog?? > >> > >> -Ken > > It is out. I unexpectedly found a copy of it while browsing the new > releases in a local CD store. It surely made my day. :) The copy I have > is released by A&M Records, number 540 332-2. Please note that I live in > The Netherlands, so your mileage may vary. > > Albert > sorry, i should have been clearer. i think it was supposed to come out in Europe as scheduled (i think the original date was April 4), but got pushed back to june in the us only. bad promotion, don't you think, since the ep came out in february? anyway, how do you like the album (you lucky dog)? chandra ------------------------------ From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:32:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: What do you say when ... Neal says: > > What do you say when an old favorite artist heads in directions you > don't aprove of? On Sunday I saw BETTY, a band I have loved and > praised repeatedly in the past. The last time I saw them was a year > ago in LA, and both of those shows shared the same flaw. Their new > music is mostly really, really boring. Some of them were mediocre > dance pop, while others were mind numbingly bland ballads. The > show still sometimes had that Betty spark, but it didn't exist in > much of the show. ... > > Any thoughts on this? Speak up or slink out? Or some further > alternative I haven't thought of? Like sending a letter and > signing it "a concerned fan who is too pathetic to confront you > face to face." > > For what it's worth, Betty will be entering the studio to record > many of there new songs in a few months. Well, just remembered you asked for it... I don't think it matters one bit whether you or me likes the music an artist is providing. Musicians are artists, and shouldn't be making music just for their fans. They should be making music for themselves, and nobody else. It's mere coincidence that you are an early Betty fan, or that we are both Happy Rhodes fans. We just happen to like the music that they are inspired to write. Any musician worth their ilk, IMHO, keeps only a small eye on what is commercial, and then flaunts that commercialism to write the type of music they want. It looks like Betty is in a different period of her life artistically, or is giving into the music industry pressure to write danceable pop. If it's the former, then you and I have no right to complain about her 'vision'. And if it's the latter, then it's her own personal decision to go after a different type of audience, one that I suspect neither of us choose to belong to. In summary, and to take this argument to an extreme, if Happy were to wake up tomorrow and write a Mariah Carey-type song, then I would bitch and moan under my breath, but respect her decision to go after huge popularity by writing complete dreck. But unfortunately, dreck sells. I don't think we would have any right to tell Happy her new music sucks, because when it comes down to it, we as ectophiles do not dictate her vision. That comes only from her, the artist. ==> Valerie, who has finally come out of hiding. ------------------------------ From: lynne@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Lynne Evans) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: net hookup? I'm looking for a better way to access the internet newsgroups like ecto. Could someone recommend a cheap and easy way to go? I would like full net access using netscape/mosaic type software, a local phone number in the Chicago burbs, and a low cost per hour. AOL is awfully slow, and not cheap. The Big Sky BBS is free, but has limited access, and is long distance. Thanks to all the ectophiles for your help! Huggs, Lynne "Hope you take me as I am, masculine or feminine, I cannot be a role player" H.R. - ---- Lynne Evans lynne@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #79 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu