From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #70 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, 2 April 1995 Volume 02 : Number 070 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason and the tiny curly girl Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 20:40:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: ecto mush room A guy on another list did something I though was a good idea--he created a room on a mush for the list members to use as a replacement for irc. A mush room has a few advantages--its permanent so you don't need bots to keep it open, its less open to roaming jerks, you can have descriptions of yourself as you have a character not just a nick, and it will work with any old telnet client, so there wouldn't be the mess of people scrambling to find irc clients for their slip accounts or limited shell accounts. It would be easy enough to do--the room for the other list was created in less than a half hour. jason ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:12:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: cat toys, literature, and music Hi! I'm dispensing with the preambulatory pleasantries this week... kiri said about laser pens: >I'll have to borrow a friends. I bet it works great, cause it sure >annoys the hell out of me, when someone uses it in a lecture. All that >jiggling around, and bouncing - aggh! The cats would love that though! I know what you mean. Some idiot at the Sarah show at Radio City had one, and kept flashing it at the backdrop when the lighting was doing exceptional- ly funky things. *Very* annoying. By the way, Puck is still searching for the elusive red dot, one week later. Ken warned: >I tried this sort of thing a number of years ago on a kitten. However >after a few days of this I started to noticed a distinct change in the >cat's behavior towards other (normal) objects. Hmmm... good point! >For those that are laser challanged, a flashlight (a penlight is best) >will also work but doesn't seem to hold the cat's interest as long. Believe me, it works for our cat too. Also the flashes made my metal objects as the sun hits them. In woj's (and footah's :) old apartment the kitchen was very sunny in the mornings, and the sun glinting off the spatula as one made breakfast drove Puck *nuts*. Shadows, too. Speaking of footah, he stated: >the best cat toy in the universe is the human. Ah yes, but it's what the human is wielding that makes said human so much fun! ... then he groaned: >the current feline fave is "queen of the >greg", best played, needless to say, at 4-5am. Face has found that >she can get more leverage by standing on my head and attacking over >the shoulder ridge, forcing the Binkless to scramble for a pawhold >somewhere over my groin. yerk. Eeep. With cats like that, who needs alarm clocks? Mitch efluviated: >WRT our nascent cat-toy thread: Casper and Harold (especially the former) >seem to respond especially well to something called Da Bird, which is >basically a bunch of feathers on the end of a cord on the end of a stick. That's Puck's favorite toy, always has been and always will be. She's on her third feather in 6 months now. She even plays with it when no humans are cooperating -- she drags it all over the apartment, pouncing as she goes. Sometimes you just gotta wonder. Off to the literary wars: Laurel mentioned: >Mpls area folk such as John M. Ford (always a MUST read) and Joel Rosenberg. John M. Ford enjoys the distinction of having written the single best Star Trek novel (imo), _How Much For Just The Planet?_. It's irreverent, well- written (which makes it stand out from most of the other Star Trek novels right there), and hysterically funny. I don't know if it's still in print, but I recommend it if you can find it. Joel Rosenberg used to live in New Haven, and had his own writer's group there. I've read quite a bit of his earlier work (_Emile And The Dutchman_, that series of his that was one big wish-fulfillment about a being in a real-life role-playing game, I can't remember the titles of any of the books in that one though), but outgrew it a long time ago. The fact that I really can't stand him as a person didn't help either... oh well. Again on the subject of Emma Bull: Anybody read _Bone Dance_? That's my favorite of hers. I've met a few people who would be perfect to play Sparrow, should there ever be a film version... >_Briar Rose_ by Jane Yolen > >(The most recent Fairy Tale novel. Jane takes the story of Sleeping Beauty >(aka Briar Rose) and tells a moving tale of the Holocaust. Only Jane could >pull this one off. A beautiful novel. Garnered a number of awards and >countless nominations.) You're right, only Jane could pull it off. She did a similar thing with her YA novel _The Devil's Arithmetic_, about a young girl who is sick to death of hearing her grandparents go on and on about the Holocaust and their time in the camps when they were children, and at the next Passover Seder opens the door for Elijah and ends up transported back in time to a camp herself. It's not an easy book to read, but a necessary one, and beautifully done. It also won a bunch of awards, and I recommend it to everyone out there, no matter what your age. >(Other contemporary fantasies worth noting & of interest: Don't forget the _...Fantastic_ series of anthologies by Mike Resnick, which contain humorous stories on a variety of themes by some of the best SF/F writers in the business: _Horse Fantastic_, _Witch Fantastic_, and _Dinosaur Fantastic_ all contain some gems. Resnick also edits a series of alternate history anthologies containing stories by the same bunch of folks: _Alternate Presidents_ is particularly noteworthy (and so what if the cover was inspired by my sister's contribution to the book, I would have read and liked the collection anyway, so thpth :). I also highly recommend the Jaran novels by Kate Elliott: _Jaran_, _An Earthly Crown_, _His Conquering Sword_, and _The Law of Becoming_. This series will ultimately be 9 volumes and is brilliantly conceived and written, with engaging characters and an intricately woven and interesting plot. These books are all long (500-750 pages), but they couldn't be any shorter, and in any case you won't want them to end anyway. I just finished _The Law Of Becoming_ today and I desperately want more, but alas, I don't think volume 5 has been written yet. :P mjm wondered: >|His Name Is Alive CD King of Sweet (out of print limited >| edition) > >Does anybody own this or has anyone heard it? I think it >may pre-date Livonia. I may be able to buy this. What would >*you* pay for this? Any info/recommendations appreciated. woj has it (surprised? I didn't think so) and it's great. Don't pass up the opportunity to get it, but if they want much more than $30 for it they're ripping you off. Back to footah: >according to my friend Chris Nairn down in dallas, I was as of >yesterday the only person in the world who didn't know that Milla was >a fashion model and actress before embarking on her musical career >(with great success, IM-rarely-HO). Don't worry, Greg, it's all right, really. You didn't miss much. >i have some small hopes of relaxing for 15 minutes on the 8th of next >month, as long as things go well. Oh okay, that puts my mind to rest, then... :) Uncle Bob reported: >Apparently they will perform a "living room concert" right in John's living >room! He records and produces Echoes right in his house! My friend says >there are always top caliber musicians dropping in on John to play. He >will be there when Happy and Kevin perform tomorrow - lucky stiff!. I'll >get back to everyone with an air date as soon as I can. Eeep!!!!!!!!! Those usually last at least half an hour, and they're GREAT! Heidi Berry and Loreena McKennitt have also done living-room concerts, among others (those are just the two we have on tape), and they're wonderful. I cannot WAIT for this to air. WFUV airs Echoes weeknights from 1-2 AM (after World Cafe), which sucks, but luckily I have a timer on my stereo. ;> veronica wandered: >and more lately i've come to think that maybe it works >the other way, that there's some part of me that tries to or would >like to fall in love with the rare person whose music gets inside of >me and really moves me. and it's silly, perhaps, and it can't go >anywhere, but that doesn't mean it doesn't start, or try to. and i >kinda wonder what people think about this, and if anyone feels like >this sometimes. I understand perfectly what you mean. I've gone through phases where I'm listening to the music of one artist a lot, and the music is particularly resonating with my soul, and I feel like I'm falling in love with the person who has made the music, but it's really just a projection of my love for the *music* and not the person who made it, but it's sometimes hard to make that distinction. I mean, the music is just an extension of the musician, right? It's this phenomenon that leads to obession and stalking problems, with people who don't have the ability to separate their reaction to the music from their reaction to the person who's making it. Sad, but true. >but i'm not sure you can ever know more of a >person than your dream of them anyway... Depends on the person, and what kind of a relationship you have with them. Neil K. wondered: > Both added! Though, as my page says, why are there no women ectophiles >with these pages? Do women not want strangers staring at their pictures? >Are women insufficiently nerdy to have home pages? I don't know! :) This woman doesn't have the means with which to create her own page nor a place to put it, alas, or she would. I've been meaning to look further into a solution to this problem, but I haven't had time to keep up with e-mail, never mind anything else. Sigh. >What do people think of the idea of an Ecto family album on the Ecto >home page? I think it's a great idea! I could even convince woj to donate a picture that actually shows his face, if pressed hard enough... ;> mjm reported: >Victoria was her old zany self -- even zanier than usual, I'd say. >She played a bizarre cross-section of songs, ranging from Neil Young >to Jane Seeeberry (Love is Everything, for which she summonsed >Syd Straw who tried to keep up but wasn't anywhere near a mic -- Argh! I wish she'd done that in NYC!!! Vickie sighed: >(If I were a paranoid person, I'd say >that Sarah thought I might be taping, and thought that I'd be using a >90 min tape, and so timed her new song "Fall From Grace" to be sung >45 minutes into the show, so that I'd be enthralled and I'd lose track >of the time, and the tape would cut off in the middle of the song. >Good thing I wasn't ...ahem... taping. Erm, if some other ectophiles in another audience had been taping using a 100-minute tape, they would have been able to help you get a full copy of this new song. Too bad said other ectophiles weren't ... ahem ... taping, either. >Cathy at Nettwerk now has a CD of _RhodeSongs_, btw. :-) :) I really do wonder what Sarah ever did with her copy. As for Victoria, DAMN, I wish she'd been able to play as long as she wanted to at Town Hall last week! :P >Our very own Ectophile Nick Hill is traveling with her as tour manager! >He wasn't going to, but the original tour manager got sick and Nick was >called in as an emergency replacement. Cool! How is he on mouth trombone, though? A great big THANK YOU to Chris S. for posting about Emily Bezar in NYC!!! woj and I will be there, for sure!!! Richard Holmes asked: >Would I be knocked >out by "The Sensual World" or "Red Shoes"? Definitely the former, maybe on the latter -- it depends on your tolerance for so-so boring pop by an artist who you *know* can do so much better than that. >Does anyone know the >difference between the "normal" "Sensual World" and the "Sensual >World (Picture CD) Import from Canada"? None musically. It has a neat picture on the disc, that's the only difference. > Jane Siberry is another artist who is on my short list of >unbelievables. I only have "When I Was A Boy" - are her others >like this as well? I'm tempted to go out and get ALL her stuff! Nothing is like WIWAB musically, really, but they're all wonderful in their own way. Check out _The Walking_ next, I think... > I think Lisa Germano is REALLY GREAT when I'm in the right >mood, but that isn't always - I have her two most recent, "Geek >the Girl" and "Happiness", does anyone know how to get a hold of >her earlier release, "The Moon Seven Times"? I'd be really >interested! I don't know, why don't you e-mail Henry Frayne and ask him? ;> Sorry, but your mistitling is really amusing. Lisa Germano's first album is called _On The Way Down From The Moon Palace_, and as I posted last night there is one copy at a record store near where I work that I would be happy to pick up for you if you want. The Moon Seven Times is a great band from Champaign, IL that also merits listening to and yes, even obsessing over. > For some strange reason, I've been liking Danielle Dax lately What's so strange about that? >I was sort of reluctant to get some of >her stuff due to somewhat disgusting cover art. What does >anyone else think of her? What is her story? Hey, no Happy fan can claim to be put off by weird cover art, so drop that one right now. :) I think Danielle Dax is great, but I'm not always in the mood for her... however, as the weather warms and the days get longer and the urge for upbeat loud weirdness takes me, I'm sure I'll be listening to her a lot more in the near future. She used to be in a band called the Lemon Kittens, whose albums have just been reissued on CD. They're not for the faint of heart, however -- they're very weird, but I mean that in the best possible sense. I like them a lot too (which woj still can't fathom, but he has yet to figure out my liking for Amy Denio too, so I guess I can't blame him for his confusion, which is inherent in his system anyway ;). Judging by your list of other favorite artists, I think you'd get into them, too. Time to turn the clocks back and lose one precious hour of sleep. :P I hope I don't sleep through the NCAA Women's Basketball Championship tomorrow. Go UConn!!! +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"Though she's just in her twenties, Sarah McLachlan is a throwback to the | | days when female singers weren't expected to cuss like truck drivers." | | -- The New Yorker magazine, March 20, 1995 | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: something shakespeare never Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 01:17:12 -0500 Subject: ectopics hey there, hi there, ho there phellow 'philes! sorry i have been so silent as of late. between this trip to halifax (which is now two thirds completed), a backlog of some 1500 messages dated back to the beginning of march and some rather stressful weeks at work prior to coming up north, e-mail and ecto have not been high on my priority list. however, i'm glad to say that i'm finally caught up on the e-mail thang - at least, caught up reading. now the replies begin. wheee. so, onwards into the dark recesses of the past *month* of ecto! (if meth can post once a week, i can post once a month - so there! nyah!) Kevin John Contzen sez about _the nerve bible_: >I was with you, and didn't find the concert entirely stunning, either... i think i'd have to agree with you. i know what to expect from laurie anderson, and _the nerve bible_ certainly delivers on that account, but i came away from the performance with even less than the "intel- lectual chewiness" feeling than you did. in some ways, i think that she has become an unintentional parody of herself - every show will contain storytelling, technowizardy and visual stimulation. the only unknown is what stories she'll tell - and you can count on some of them being ones you've heard before. >but then, i was somewhat disenchanted with _Bright Red_ as well, i have to disagree with you here, though: i enjoy _bright red/tightrope_ quite a bit. this is where, i think, laurie can excel: on a record, she can transcend some of the cliches of her performances with music. she can't do that on stage (unless she has a band, which doesn't happen too often). Ray H. Misra sez: >I may finally be in company with someone who will appreciate this little >reference: THE GOODIES!!! oy, i have vague memories of watching the goodies at a friend's house a couple times when i was quite young. let's see, it must have been when i was in 4th grade, which would make it around 1977. i couldn't tell you a single thing about the show, except that it was etched on my meory as rather amusing to at least one 4th grade boy. jeffy@wam.umd.edu sez about jewel: >C'mon, folks, rush out and buy this one! 'Cept maybe woj. oof! i guess i'm never gonna shake that bored-by-acoustic-singer/ songwriter reputation, ay? regardless, i shall now expound on my impressions of jewel's performance at the ludlow street cafe on the 28th of february. (amazing that i can remember that far back, no?) i actually quite enjoyed her show. she is a very dynamic and charismatic person (though i don't think reeling off quips from the three little pigs in the bathroom is as much charismatic as it is intentionally weird): she's fun to watch and to listen to. she certainly is a solo performer who would be hampered by a band. however, i can't say that i was taken in by her songs. then again, neither was i repulsed. shrug. i dunno - it was diffifult to really *listen* to her songs with the noisy audience and ludlow ain't exactly the best place to experience a live show (though it's intimate enough that performer and audience can spit on each other without much effort). neal sent me a collection of some of her live tracks and i have since picked up the _save the linoleum_ promo disc, but only had the chance to listen to either once before things got busy at work. meredith has purchased the album, so i'll listen to all when i get back home. oh, one last comment: i think that jeff's early impression that jewel typically goes for the "cute" rhyme is fairly accurate. i would add to that she seems to be walking the tightrope between the novel and the sincere. on one hand, she yodels; on the other, she writes pretty poignant lyrics. the two can mix, to an extent, but i usually have trouble with folks who do this consistently (tori amos is one person who pulls this off, and, in that regard, the comparison between jewel and tori someone made might not be all that far-fetched - i just don't know if jewel will be able to pull it off yet). anyways. enough of that. meth sez: >Then woj and I headed to Pier Platter Records in Hoboken, NJ, which has a >huge vinyl selection (though not what woj was looking for, alas) and >lot of cool new and used CDs. hmmm. what did i buy that trip? dredge, dredge, dredge. oh, i remember now: a promo copy of the new suddenly, tammy! album, that lida husik/somebody-i-can't-recall collaboration _live at the grange_ (or whatever it is called), a versus 7", the second dub narcotic 7" and a double 7" compilation that includes tracks by amy denio, the billy tipton memorial saxophone quartet (of which amy is part), and azaila snail. the suddenly, tammy! album is *brilliant*. the piano-bass-drums combination is still as fresh as when their first album showed up and the songs are off-beat pop gems that avoid the usual pitfalls of quirky pop. vocalist beth (um, i'm blanking on her last name...) sounds more like nanci griffith than nanci does, but we can deal with that cos the music is so great. highly recommended (has it been released yet?) the lida husik thingie was nice and smooth, but didn't really strike me. she has a new record out, though, and if the one track i've heard off it is any indication, it should be very good. this spree refresher reminds me that i never mentioned the stuff i bought during the weekend of doom in washington with meredith and valerie. unfortunately, i can't remember all 14 discs i bought without having them in front of me, but i did pick up a caveman shoestore album (thanks to neile and art for mentioning them!) and the curlew album that features amy denio on vocals. both are excellent. Philip Sainty sez: >Someone on a local BBS was after information about Dif Juz - a 4AD band >apparently on the "Lonely is an Eyesore" compilation. >Can anyone furnish me with information about them? :) a mucho fantabulous drifty, echoey, guitar-effected bunch. they have a couple releases on 4ad, but have subsequently also released material on other labels, though i can't think of which labels they were (factory records, for some reason, springs to mind, but i'm pretty sure that isn't right). _extractions_ is probably my favorite album of theirs, but _humerics_ is pretty nifty too. there is at least one other 4ad release and i think it has the word "trees" in the title. _out of the trees_? ugh. i can't remember (and i'm writing this offline so i can't check the eyesore database - somewhere i'd recommend that you check out for more information on dif juz - though it won't tell you how to pronounce the name which may be /dif-yuz/, /dif-juice/ or /dif-jooze/ or /moz-il-la/ for all i know). lot of help i am, huh? Alex Gibbs sez: >I forgot to also ask if anyone has heard of what I think the DJ said wa >Rumors of the Waves. rumors of the big wave? there's a band with that name who have at least one album out. anja sent me a copy a while back and it's okay: kinda preachy, eco-aware, mellow rock. i believe the album is self-titled. veronica sawyer sez: >and so over the weekend someone showed me that Sarah did backing vocals >for Moev, um who the (very french english deleted) are Moev and are they >ectophonic? um, i think you mean manufacture, not moev. moev is the band that sarah was originally asked to sing for, but that never panned out. (madeline morris and michaela somebody-or-another were the women who sang for moev before they turned into the angst-ridden pseudo- industrial band they are/were now). manufacture, another nettwerk band (moev has the honor of being one of the earliest nettwerk releases), did manage to ensnare sarah to sing backing vox on one of their songs. hmmm, i don't think i've ever heard this track. wow. Irvin Fei-Chiang Lin sez: > I brought up male vocalists because i was interested in hearing >what other ectophiles listened to that weren't female. robyn hitchcock, roy harper, peter hammill (the triumvirate of h), the loud family (scott miller), the jazz butcher (pat fish), david sylvian, the rheostatics (martin tielsi (sp)), um...my brain is blanking without being near the cd shelves so i can check for other faves. i noticed that robyn was mentioned by quite a few others who answered irvin's question - that's what i like to hear! incidentially, he's in the middle of a northeast american tour. i have the tour dates on the fegmaniax! web page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/. Jens P. Brage sez: >Grapevine, btw., is the label most of Mary Black's music has been >released on... which reminds me (see a trend?) that i picked up mary black's _the collection_ whilst i was in spain the second week of march (one of the other reasons i was so behind on the e-mail thang). when i saw it, i panicked. i had promised myself not to buy any music until i got to canada. unfortunately, i completely blanked on whether mary black or mary coughlin was the woman i remembered vickie lamenting the lack of easily found releases by. i decided to nix the musical ban and err on the safe side. turns out that mary coughlin was the woman in question, but i don't mind having bought _the collection_ anyways. :) >Hmm, perhaps she's marginal, but still, I think, ecto-stuff... Niele >provided me with a dub of her "blue million miles" EP about a year ago, i think "blue million miles" is just a fantasticly nifty song. i sent joan some money for her first album, but i never received it. probably should call that hotline of hers and complain about that. brenda kahn's new album (_destination anywhere_ which can't be found in stores and probably won't be ever) reminds me a lot of joan osbourne, in fact. Mitchell A. Pravatiner sez: >WRT vintage TV: [...] emma thompson made an appearance on the young ones. she played a drunken, ditzy blonde in the episode where our heros were contestants on university quiz (or whatever that british game show was called). Irvin Fei-Chiang Lin sez: > i came across some names and was wondering if anyone can shed >some light on what type of music it is... > Mary Karlzen i really like her major label debut. i picked it up used (a promo copy, probably) a few weeks ago. she has a lot of musical influences (roots rock, blues, country) which she melds together into a gutsy, catchy smorgasborg of sound. worth picking up, woj says. > Jennifer Trynin (boston artist? hasn't john relph mentioned her in these pages before? if not, i'm certain her name has popped up on the xtc mailing list. i've always meant to track down one of her albums, but just never seem to do so. Robert Lovejoy sez: >On monday, our miniature poodle, Celia, was hit by a car. oh, bob, i'm sorry. i don't normally like poodles, but celia was an exception. perhaps it was because she seemed to like me. perhaps it was cos she looked like frank zappa (well, i think so). celia was cool and i'm sad i won't see her again. Greg Bossert sez: >But Live's "throwing copper" is awfully good despite all that. i've only heard the singles from this album, but also find myself strangely attracted to this band (despite having hated their debut with much intensity). there's something weirdly mystical about those songs which i can't explain, but neither can i shake its spell. heck, i might even buy that album! the vocalist is strangely attractive too. hmmm. > * Belly, "King" - dunno, just not as weird as "Star". Tanya won wit >that album over "Red Heaven", but Kristen takes this round with >"University". uhhhhh, i dunno about that. _university_ may edge out _king_ in the long run, but i think that _king_ will have a lot more staying power than _star_ did. _star_ is a pop powerhouse, but it sugar-rots the brain after a while. _king_, on the other hand, is meaty and echoes nicely in the skull. >I've listened to Dave Steiner's copies of the Jewel album (forgive me >I forget the title) and Dar William's "The Honesty Room" i already spouted about jewel. i've listened to _the honesty room_ about twice (at least in the roundoff) and found tht i liked it more than i expected to. maybe there is hope for me! ;) >Of all that scribbly bunch, my favorite remains Pamela Dean. yupyupyup. (see, greg and i are, like, psychic twins, man - deal with it.) i'm looking forward to _the dubious hills_ (which sits on the table next to me, waiting for me to finish robert jordan's _eye of the world_). >In all other particulars I agree wholeheartedly with Meth and others: >the concert was great, and a milestone in Sarah's career. i seem to have deleted the message in which meredith reviewed sarah's radio city show. my impressions did not differ too terribly from either hers or greg's. as meth mentioned, i was less than thrilled by this live version of "back door man." "black" wasn't too great in the current, strung-out version either. "fall from grace" left me scratching my head, but the fact that this is a work in progress bolsters my dashed expectations - there's still time for it to evolve into something wonderous. yet, it was still a good show; unfortunately, my mind was on getting ready to leave for halifax the next morning and my memory of the show is less than what it would otherwise be as a result. meth sez: >NPR aired a review of Varttina's new album on All Things Considered this >past week, and it was the first unfavorable review I've heard from that >particular critic. He maintained that it was a big mistake for them to >attempt to blend traditional music with modern styles. hmmm. my impression of _aitara_ is the exact opposite: they've managed to blend timeless traditional music with modern instruments in an exquisite manner. i think that that critic just had a bad day or something cos i don't know how anyone couldn't like this album (then again, i like boiled in lead, hedningarna and 3 mustaphas 3 so i must be confused). Greg footahs some more (wow! just like old days!): >hmm, speaking of trad, i'm hoping woj returns from halifax with some >Figgy Duff in hand. yes, dear, i shan't forget. i suppose this as good as any time to go into what musical purchases i have made since coming to halifax (remember, i don't have to deal with the ban on buying anymore - hee!). last weekend, i finally got a chance to go poke through the local music emporiums. i've found three fairly close to where my hotel is. the first was a fairly useless used store with nothing of note and a storage system even more annoying than cd world's (each cd is on hooks on the walls - ugh). the second store is a sam's, which, i guess, is somewhat equivalent to sam goody's in the states. it's a chain, but they seem to not suffer from the corporate blandness that chains in the states are dying from. anyways, the first time i went there, i found a couple budget-priced discs: heidi berry's _love_ (which i had been lamenting the lack of an american release for many years) and toyah's _prostitute_. the former is excellent; the latter is interesting but not great. the second time i entered sam's, i walked away with lisa germano's _the inconsiderate bitch_ ep (which i never expected to find anywhere), a compilation of local halifax talent (with some jangly ectophilic bands: jale, plumtree, les gluetones, rebecca west) and an ep by thush hermit, a haligonian boyzw/guitarz band recommended by a friend. the third store is a used vinyl/disc place called taz. nifty place i could easily drop megabucks in, so i've only gone their once. :) i picked up the three trip shakespeare lps (for apiece!), the first pale saints ep (for !), a canadian pressing of the soft boys' _underwater moonlight_ (robyn hitchcock's old band), and a promo 7" of sarah's "vox" on nettwerk. woo woo. Markku Kolkka sez: >I recently borrowed from library a CD by a Swedish/Finnish band Hedningarna which one? _kaksi!_? hedningarna comes highly recommended by me. footah probably does not remember, but we listened to _kaksi!_ the night we were packing before moving out of new brunswick. their new one is called _tra_ (with the funky little circle on the top of the "a") and it is pretty great too. i'm glad to hear that there is an american release coming. Mike Mendelson sez: >|His Name Is Alive CD King of Sweet (out of print limite >Does anybody own this or has anyone heard it? i have a copy. it took a long time to find it and i think it was worth the 6 or so i paid for it. i'd probably pay even more for it, but i'm a hnia fanatic so your mileage will vary. i'm not exactly sure about the origins of the tracks on this disc. it's possible that they pre-date _livonia_, but i don't really know. i do have the early pre-livionia hnia cassettes and there is a lot of similarities. footah yet *again*: >the best cat toy in the universe is the human. "as with deities, so with cats; as wth cats, so with deities." Mitchell A. Pravatiner sez: >WRT our nascent cat-toy thread: Casper and Harold (especially the former >seem to respond especially well to something called Da Bird, which is >basically a bunch of feathers on the end of a cord on the end of a stick. that's now puck's second favorite toy. when i get tired of leading her around the room with it, i stick the pole end in a drawer so that the bird floats about a foot above the ground. she's quite good at amusing herself with this. Richard Holmes sez: >I also am curious about Jenn Vix and Heather Nova jenn vix has one short cd out on a independant label from providence, rhode island. thanks to angelos, i have a copy and i think it's quite good, if somewhat samey from song to song. if you like the track on the cmj sampler, you'll like her album. when i get back from halifax, i'll post the address to which you can write for more info and orders. thanks to geoff parks, i now have a copy of heather nova's _glow stars_ which i also like. ilka heber sent me a tape with this album and _blow_ on it a year or so ago. i didn't like it that much then but find that i've since come around to her work. i need to listen more to be able to talk about it more coherently though. > I hope this isn't boring - but since there seems to be a very >diverse range of tastes represented in this group, a synopsis of >one's favorites seems appropriate upon introduction. not boring at all! welcome to ecto - i hope you post more often than you said you expect to. and with that, i'm off to bed. woj ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Sun, 02 Apr 95 08:12:51 -0400 Subject: Re: ectopics [in response to woj's month-long-klaus] Earlier in this post I was marveling at your memory (or your note-taking) for who posted about what bands back when. >jeffy@wam.umd.edu sez about jewel: >>C'mon, folks, rush out and buy this one! 'Cept maybe woj. > >oof! i guess i'm never gonna shake that bored-by-acoustic-singer/ >songwriter reputation, ay? No, it's just fun teasing you. >oh, one last comment: i think that jeff's early impression that >jewel typically goes for the "cute" rhyme is fairly accurate. i >would add to that she seems to be walking the tightrope between >the novel and the sincere. Actually, I've since gotten used to her rhyming style and decided that she writes incredibly poignant, wonderfully sweet lyrics. Of course, part of that is also in her delivery style. Her angst in a song like "Adrian" is more palpable in the quaver of her voice than Kurt Cobain could have ever hoped for. >the suddenly, tammy! album is *brilliant*. Haven't heard the album yet, but a song from it is getting lots of airplay on HFS... >manufacture, another nettwerk >band (moev has the honor of being one of the earliest nettwerk >releases), did manage to ensnare sarah to sing backing vox on one >of their songs. hmmm, i don't think i've ever heard this track. wow. Aha! So much for marveling over your memory. You *have* heard this song, and in fact you've seen the video! (Should I tell him now or let him figure out what I'm talking about? Hell, let's see if he figures it out...) >Greg Bossert sez: >>But Live's "throwing copper" is awfully good despite all that. > >i've only heard the singles from this album, but also find myself >strangely attracted to this band Here's a third voice with the same comment. I've dug all the singles from _Throwing Copper_ and have considered buying it. Jeff ------------------------------ From: Michael Bravo Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:27:51 +0400 Subject: Re: ecto mush room 02 Apr 95, jgreshes@netaxs.com writes to Michael Bravo: jc> A guy on another list did something I though was a good idea--he created jc> a room on a mush for the list members to use as a replacement for irc. jc> A mush room has a few advantages--its permanent so you don't need bots to jc> keep it open, its less open to roaming jerks, you can have descriptions jc> of yourself as you have a character not just a nick, and it will jc> work with any old telnet client, so there wouldn't be the mess of people jc> scrambling to find irc clients for their slip accounts or limited shell jc> accounts. In facty, I've been proposing such thing about a year ago here. And I'm still open to the idea - I can do such a room on TinyTIM in half an hour as well. I can even issue a special keycard object to be given away for ectophiles to enter the room, if such security measures are needed :) So if people want it, they can have it - just tell me so. /\/\ike - --- GoldED 2.41 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #70 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu