From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #63 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 25 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 063 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WretchAwry Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 6:22:22 EST Subject: Re: RhodeSongs... Joanna, I'm a bit late on this, but I did want to say that I *loved* your post detailing your thoughts about RhodeSongs! Thanks! (I hate to cut out any of it...it's so wonderful...) > The Revelation: I do not really understand this one yet....... Lyrically? - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes Rhodes Vol II THE REVELATION There is no sun There's only moon It comes too late It comes too soon The only reality Isn't real at all There are no dreams (Mikey) There is no sleep There are no treasures For this little girl To keep The only reality Isn't real at all I know life (Mikey) Is a relative term And I won't live until I'm lying with the worms The only reality Isn't real at all There is no love (Mikey) There is no peace There's only me And my beast The only reality Isn't real at all The only reality Is you and me - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The "Mikey" in the song "The Revelation" is a fellow Happy used to know who was disgustingly optimistic. "Disgustingly" because Happy was at that time one of the most pessimistic people on earth. The song is not really "about" him, but sort of "to" him. Telling him, in a way, that there is no hope, there is no love etc. Kind of like "See reality willya?" She can still remember and see currently the very dark side of life, but knows (and writes about) the light and goodness of life much more now. > Given In: Learning to live in a strong, steady manner...and > exhorting others to do likewise, as far as is > possible. Self-acceptance too... I was going to excerpt another interview, but I think I'll just go ahead and re-post the whole thing in my next message. It talks about other songs besides just this one. > Let Me Know, Letting us see her trials at growing...a precursor to > Love: "Building the Colossus"? And letting us all see that > these are universal feelings... I had told Happy that many of her songs make me cry or want to cry and she wrote a very poignant thing about the song "Let me Know, Love": "This is one of the only songs that makes *me* cry when I hear it. It was and is the truest expression of what I was feeling. I finally realized that in order to have peace and love, I'd have to give up my habit of self-loathing. I started fighting back at this point" Thank you Joanna, for writing your thoughts down. I really adore such posts. Vickie ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 6:34:09 EST Subject: Happy...ancient interview (KKFI) (Ectophiles...this is a re-post of something I wrote for gaffa before Ecto existed.) - -------------------------- Vickie here. Once, a long time ago in a city far, far away, I had a nightmare. I dreamed I interviewed one of my favorite musicians live on the air. At the outset, it seemed as if this would be an interview made in heaven. This musician made music and wrote lyrics that moved me very deeply. I had listened to her four albums repeatedly and was very familiar with them. I had become friends with her and we had had many long interesting conversations. We discovered that we actually had quite a bit in common, such as a passion for the music of Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel, whose music had helped us cope with emotionally and mentally troubled pasts. I was fascinated with her and she liked me very much. My listeners had been hearing her music on a regular basis for months and they were very curious about this woman from Albany. All in all, it should have been the best interview anyone could possibly imagine. The nightmare began when I failed to get any sleep the night before the interview. I had been up since Friday morning and by the time my Saturday night program began I was getting hazy and stupid. I forgot the list of questions I'd prepared, but didn't really worry about it. After all, when talking with her on the phone it was never any problem to come up with questions or comments and have a great conversation. When the interview started my mind went totally blank though. I sputtered, made inane comments, asked silly and stupid questions, didn't follow up on really interesting threads and in general, botched it badly. Happy was truly wonderful anyway, very articulate and interesting. When I sit and make fun of dopes who are interviewing Kate and don't seem to have a clue about her, who seem to have left their intelligence and curiousity at home, I think of myself interviewing Happy and feel a little kinder toward them. I swore never to interview Happy again and I haven't. I also swore never to interview anybody else on the air again, though I didn't keep that promise-I later interviewed Karen Peris of The Innocence Mission and Betsy Martin of Caterwaul on the air and did fairly OK. Anyway, even though the entire interview was only a bad dream, the other day I put some of that interview onto audiotape to transcribe bits of it. Cringing and feeling ill throughout the process, I managed to sit through it all and came up with the following edited bits.... -------------------------------------------------------------- Happy Rhodes interview January 1, 1989 On her start and influences: "I started recording professionally when I was 17 which would have been 5 years ago and I started writing music when I was 14. Started playing guitar when I was 11. I was influenced by a lot of classical, specifically...I liked Bach very, very much. Particularly Wendy Carlos. One of the first albums I was ever subjected to was when I was 9 years old and it was _Switched On Bach_ by the then Walter Carlos and I was very much influenced by that. Then came Queen, if you can believe that. I was very influenced by their harmonies. Moved on to Kate Bush. I wasn't introduced to Kate Bush until I was 16. Then Peter Gabriel, around the same time. Actually I was introduced to a lot of music much too late. I wish I'd gotten to hear a lot of it much earlier. I was very..oh gee, I was just very sheltered from a lot of good music right at the time in my life when I really needed to hear that stuff." On the making of Vols. I & II: "They were released in the same year but they were not recorded consecutively. Actually, Vol. I and Vol. II, it's the oldest material that I have released. It's just a compilation of all the things that I had been recording since I was 17. It didn't get released until I was oh..maybe 19, so a lot of the music is very old. It's also before I owned a synthisizer of my own. Most of it is a lot of just acoustic guitar. And I've stepped up a lot from there, in terms of instrumentation. I started using a drum machine and synthisizers and so on. So all I can say is that stuff is very different because it's a lot older." On doing everything herself: "Yeah, on all four of the albums. I did it all. It really wasn't by choice. In fact I had worked with Kevin at the time that I released Rearmament and Ecto but he was a solo artist, was doing his own thing so we didn't work together, I couldn't really depend on anybody, and God knows we didn't have money to pay studio musicians. If I had it wouldn't have made any difference because I can't read or write music so I wouldn't have been able to give them sheets of music to play in the studio. It wound up being the only way I could do it." About "Given In": "I'm sure everyone has noticed at this point that my music tends toward the dark side. But, now, this is the way that everybody else sees it, I don't necessarily see it that way. I see it more introspective than dark, definitely. I don't get depressed when I listen to my music, wheras some people do. Given In is a bit of a contrast because it's a very positive song. See, I have two themes that generally run through my music. One is, what seems to be depressing, introspective and another that seems to be loving yourself, that kind of thing. Given In falls under the Loving Your- self category. Every once in a while I'd bang out what I'm feeling, whether it's depression, self-pity...any emotion, I'd bang it out in a song, but if it does tend to run along the lines of depression, I will get to a certain point, as everybody does, where I have to sooth myself because nobody else can do that for me, and then _that_ comes out in a song. Given In is one of those songs. It's just a matter of telling myself...be strong...what you feel is what you feel...be true to yourself, that kind of thing." About "Noone Here": "I was driving home one morning, it was about 5 o'clock in the morning and the sun was rising. I felt particularly down...Nooo, really???...yes I felt particularly down at the time. It was so long ago that I don't remember why, but it doesn't matter. I felt very lonely and I didn't like that feeling. And also, I love cats, I adore cats, I have three now, and at that time I wasn't allowed to have cats. There seems to be a void in my life when that rule is placed on me. So I felt particularly lonely and I started writing this song about the lonely feelings I had and again I got to that point where I really had to do something about it for myself. This is a great song for me because it describes my sun rising still, even though there's no one here. It's a funny thing, I think every single human being has their own guardian angel but what you perceive as being your guardian angel is different for every individual. I see my guardian angel as being me, or an aspect of my personality, so in times of dire need, when I'm emotionally distraught, which is not that often, don't get me wrong, yuk yuk, I basically have learned to turn to myself because no one can console me or keep me company, as well as I can. That's not to say I shut other people out, but I think that pretty much runs true with everyone. So that's what that song's all about" About "To The Funnyfarm": We joke about making ashtrays..."Isn't that what they do in padded rooms these days? I don't know myself. (laughs) Yeah that was a fun song. No, actually, that song I wrote when I was very, very young. The reason I wrote that was because I was feeling...uh...my family had been supressing my creativity. Purposely, because, I don't know...it's rough. I'm an artist and I knew I was an artist when I was very young. Usually people will not delve into artistic ventures until they're older, until they're sure, after they've gone to college, this 'n' that. I never went to college. I didn't have to. I knew when I was 6 years old what I'd be doing. And this is very disarming for the parent, because their goals are for the child to go to college and become a secretary or a doctor or something of this kind. I wasn't following in those footsteps and so I was kind of making everybody involved a little uneasy. Therefore, growing up, I got a lot of pressure to....'music? yeah that's nice...it's a good hobby but, you know, do something more practical' and it made me feel like I was crazy because I was this emotional, moody person who liked to do nothing but write songs. I really didn't care much for friends or parties or anything like that, I just really liked music and I think everyone around me saw that as being just slightly strange. So I wrote "To the Funnyfarm" because I started seeing myself that way after a while." On her dark songs and being prolific: "I was more prolific when I was younger than I am now. I think it's a little strange but I think disaster and tragedy tend to attract people for some reason. When I was younger I found myself being more prolific when I focused on the tragedy of my life rather than the happiness in my life. That's why the songs come out sounding so dark and cynical. Now, there was as much good in my life as there was bad, but like I said, the good could not move me to write a song. The bad always could, so that's why I seemed to be so prolific then as opposed to now. I'm still prolific, but not so much so. Now I spread my creative energy out in all kinds of areas because my attitudes have changed slightly. I'm still the same person, I still feel those same things but at least I can come at them from a different perspective now." About "Ecto" (the song): "Ecto refers to something along the lines of an out-of-the-body experience. I don't want to mislead anybody because it's not something I've had the opportunity to experience yet, but one of my beliefs, we all have our own individual beliefs, so I don't impose this on anybody, but one of my personal beliefs is that my consiousness goes on and I think I just wanted to express that in a song, that no matter what happens it _really_ doesn't matter, 'cause my consiousness goes on and I may choose to stick around and I may choose not to stick around but I just had to reaffirm that in a song I guess. Also it's a little eerie sounding...I like eerie things" On "Fame & Fortune": I had asked her what her feelings were concerning Kansas City (getting lots of airplay on my show and selling tapes) and her plans for the future such as "making mega-bucks" & such (it was a joke!) "I feel great about what's happening in Kansas City because my immediate goal is to express myself. Obviously that's happened successfully. Everyone can interpret what I say in their own way, that is another one of my immediate goals. An ultimate goal, a long-term goal would be...yes, to be heard on many levels. I'd like to spread to the masses and Kansas City is an excellent start as far as I'm concerned. I do want to make "mega bucks" and for very specific reasons. There are a lot of things that I've wanted to do in my life that I cannot do unless I'm in the power to do them, unless I'm in some type of powerful position to do them. I'll clarify that. I want to give money away. I really, really want to do that. I'm not a philanthro- pist (sp?) or anything but I really want to support animal rights groups, I want to support Amnesty groups. All these things...I'm very touched by people reaching out. It's one of the things I want to do. Unfortunately, in today's society money seems to be the most immediate way of reaching out and helping. Now, I don't like that fact, I don't necessarily believe in that but that's the way it seems to be going these days. And if that's the case, fine, I'll play by that. Now, that's not the only reason I'm into music, obviously. Music is me, it's what I do. If I didn't make any money at it I'd still be doing it but it really is a good tool for me to be able to help on a large scale." -------------------------------------------------------------- Most of the rest of the interview had to do with what Happy was doing at that time. She and Kevin had merged musically and became the duo Bartlett/Rhodes. They were playing live around Albany (All-bany, if you please, she had teased me about my midwestern pronunciation :-) and were very successful as a duo, but neither felt totally satisfied and so eventually decided to become solo artists again. We spent quite a bit of time talking about Bartlett/Rhodes until it was time to end my show. Vickie ------------------------------ From: Michael Bravo Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 14:46:15 +0400 Subject: Re: Meredith does it again, part 1 24 Mar 95, SANDOVAL@stsci.edu writes to Michael Bravo: Se> it's a travesty that copies of the Prism tape can't be made available to Se> Ectophiles. Not everyone is in the Philly area, and I know for a fact Se> that plenty of the non-locals have done a lot to promote Happy in their Se> areas. I think it's a disservice to them to not allow them the opportunity Se> to at least see Happy perform. If AG has some plans to distribute the Se> tape commercially, that's one thing. But I think we've shown in the past Se> that we will buy anything Happy puts out, even if that means having Se> multiple copies of songs (e.g. the CD single). Letting Ectophiles get a Se> copy of the Prism show wouldn't affect a commercial release in any way, I Se> think. I hope noone thinks that I'm just complaining here. I just think Se> that AG is making a bad decision WRT Happy's fans... Seconded from this side (or whatever number that was :)). In fact, I am aware of at least several orders for _full_ set of Happy CDs made from Russia thanks to Paul's efforts, and at least a couple dozen of partial orders from other people that met with Happy's music secondary from Paul or me or by other chain reactn. And maybe even a store or another in Moscow now have some of her CDs in stock. I consider the chance of Happy's concerts here to be even less than, say, in Australia, and somehow I think that to see the promo video wouldn't be that destructive to anything commercial in regards to Happy, but rathger vice versa. /\/\ike - --- GoldED 2.41 ------------------------------ From: f.mcguire1@genie.geis.com Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:33:00 UTC Subject: Happy on Echoes? Hi! I read in the most recent issue of Rhodeways that Happy recorded a segment for the show Echoes. Anyone know when WXPN in Phila. will be airing it? The article said the last week in March, but I haven't heard anything mentioned. Since the show is on 5-7am, I miss it entirely. Also heard there is an interview with Sarah in the April issue of Mademoiselle. Haven't actually seen it yet.... Take care, Sherry McGuire ------------------------------ From: chip-l@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 10:08:28 -0600 Subject: Varttina Chicago review Varttina played in Chicago on March 12, and the following article appeared in the Chicago Tribune on the 13th. I'm transcribing it for those who are interested. (The concert was *EXCELLENT*, IMHO) "Finland's Varttina puts rock beat on traditional folk tunes" By Dennis Polkow (Reprinted without permission) :-) In Finland, the winters are long, dark and frigid, and the summers are short, but sunny and glorious. It is from such an environment that the hottest group in world music right now has emerged: Varttina, the Finnish word for "spindle." Varttina's three female vocalists take traditional Finnish folk tunes and adapt them to their own sassy, sensual style. Not surprisingly, from a group living in a country where the sun is absent for months at a time, much of the music emphasizes loneliness and anxiety, along with the forbearance of Finnish women. Numerous comparisons have been made to the Mysterious Voices of Bulgaria, but Varttina has more feminine sound to its staccato vocoalizings, complemented by a six-member band that includes violin, winds and lute, accordion, upright bass, acoustic guitar and drums. Having just relased its "Aitara" album on the Green Linnet/Xenophile label, the group is completing its second North American tour, a tour that sees the group emphasizing original material and heading more in the direction of rock. True, the original material still seeks to emulate the Finnish folk-singing style, but the cross-fertiliaztion of Finnish folk-inspired material with a rock backbeat works quite convincingly on the "Aitara" album itself. Unfortunately, these experiments came off less effectively live than the traditional a cappella folk tunes Varttina has made famous. Still, Varttina looks to be onto something, and it will be fascinating to see whether these styles can mesh a little less obviously if the group continues on this path. The Galway-based Irish band called Arcady opened the show, a band that takes its name from the ancient Greek region known as Arcadia. Arcady makes no attemp to mix a Celtic and rock cocktail, but rather performs traditional Irish music mostly in a straightforward manner. Its debut "After the Ball" album was released in 1991 on the Shanachie label and a follow-up album - "Many Happy Returns" - is due out in a few months. The five-piece group consists of a vocalist, violin, acoustic guitar, keyboards and the goat-skin drum the Irish call a bodhran. Singer Niamh Parsons, who recently joined the group, addded much to the evening with her haunting vocalizations and storytelling ability on the classic "North Amerikay" and "Tinkerman's Daughter." The vocal settings were alternated with Irish reels and some of the group's unconventional but clever settings of traditional fare: "Heaven's Gate" done in a two-step waltz style, for instance, or "Wearin' O' the Green" done as a slow shuffle. - --- Chip Lueck chip-l@nwu.edu ------------------------------ From: chip-l@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 10:08:32 -0600 Subject: New Mouth Music album out! I have not seen this mentioned in Ecto (and I admit that have had to skim or skip some messages recently), but Mouth Music has a new album out called "Shorelife". I just bought it last night and have not had a chance to listen to it, but the following blurb was on the outside of the CD: Mouth Music's thrid outing for Rykodisk melds high tech and high touch in delightfully impure fashion. Visonary Martin Swan and vocalist Jackie Joyce create a captivating atmosphere that "Musicisian" magazine called "a rare blend of the ethereal and the funky, the ancient and the orbital." - --- Chip Lueck chip-l@nwu.edu ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 11:50:32 EST Subject: the nerve bible, cd promos and Catholicism Just a quick reply to the question of what exactly _is_ _Stories from the Nerve Bible_ posted by someone?? Anyway, it is a book. The cd _The Ugly One . . ._ is a reading of selections from it. The ISBN number is 0-06-095050-1. A local store has been putting promo cd's out as used. Thus, I've been able to pick up Eddi Reader, _The Mask and the Mirror_, a Jewel promo called _Save the Linoleum_, _The Mask and the Mirror_ and Sam Phillips _Martinis and Bikinis_. Quite a haul of ecto music in a few short weeks. All of these were about three dollars!!! So, I'm not addicted to this shop. My question on this is the promo status of these--I've begun to feel guilty. Is it my "raised Catholic" guilt or something more? Ah, the ethics of bargins!! brad - -- Thought is an infection. In the case of certain thoughts, it becomes an epidemic. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 20:43:45 CET-1 Subject: availability of 1st4 Joe Loda (hey, welcome) mentioned: > 3) I just bought RhodeSongs from Ladyslipper (thanks to the FAQ). They no > longer seem to carry then entire Happy catalog. What they currently have > listed in their catalog is: I also noticed the lack of the 1st4 on other online CD services. Is it possible that AG has run out them? I was about to order some more (soon coming to buy the 100th Happy album) and would be extremely disappointed if they were discontinued. If someone's in contact with AG in the near future, please ask them about it. Cheers, Klaus _____ Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge - klaus@inphobos.wupper.de "I have a friend in Phobos, at times I think I'm almost there." Happy Rhodes "You have a friend in Phobos, at times I think you're almost here." Klaus :) ------------------------------ From: Rob Eubanks Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 15:57:52 CST Subject: song id, October Project Veronica writes: > i know what it means to be (lucky?) > i know what it means to be free > now i want to know how to love you > turn to me Larne anwswers: > This is "Return to me" by October Project. The album (self-titled) is > full of sad, beautiful songs and I just can't recommend it highly > enough. I thought these lyrics sounded familiar. I've been listening to October Project quite a lot recently, but I guess that I haven't become familiar enough with the lyrics that I can recall the band without hearing the music (or without Larne's help!). It's a wonderful album! I only had to listen once to place it in my favorite CDs category. Also, the cover photo is fairly cool in a nostalgic sort of way. If you've access to the world wide web, you can find an informative plug for the album at this location: http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/OctoberProject_OctoberProject. html. Or you can take the scenic route, as I did, with multiple stops-- myriad meanderings optional--prior to your ultimate destination! (i.e. by using one of the Net Directories). Here at the University of Missouri-Columbia the directory of choice seems to be "Yahoo!". I recall someone extolling the virtues of this directory here on ecto not long ago. I can still hear a resounding YAHOO!!!!! echoing in my brain...I may never recover. ;-) (I wrote the above yesterday; in the interim I discovered Philip's message concerning Yahoo! amidst the clutter of one of my notebooks) Philip writes: > It's [Yahoo!] found at: http://akebono.stanford.edu/yahoo/ Anyway, if you opt for this approach and decide to whirr along on the Yahoo! express (or maybe, not so express) your itinerary is as follows: Yahoo! -> Art -> Music -> Artists -> complete listing -> October Project -> October Project information and voila, you're there! Disclaimer-- No, I'm not in the travel industry. I'm just a traveler with an odd sense of humor :-) Well, I guess that'll 'bout do it for this time. Later, all! - --Rob "There is more in you of good than you know.... Some courage and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." :-) -Thorin Oakenshield to Bilbo Baggins (J.R.R. Tolkien) ------------------------------ From: iago@nwu.edu Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 17:03:59 -0600 Subject: Good news! For everyone who has kept up with my hectic schedule over the last year (Atlanta to Chicago to Albuquerque to Chicago to Washington, DC), I've got another (hopefully the last) thing to add to the list. Yup, I'm returning to Chicago! This time hopefully for good (or at least 2 years). Tribune Company was nice enough to offer me a job, and I was happy enough to take it. So starting next month, I'll be living in Chicago (address still unknown) and working for Tribune Media Services. I'm looking forward to getting furniture and a VCR. Isn't that pathetic? I just wanted to let everyone know. Now it's off to the highest cliff I can find to yell it off the top. :) ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: elisheva@netaxs.com Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:12:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jewelwyr ....elionwyr? ....ELIONWYR?!?!?!?!? oh my. hello, gashdarnitt. (*ELIONWYR*?!?!?!??!?) (Egads) Subject #2: /was located in one of the corners. When I walked in, there was a /woman putting on her makeup in front of the mirror. I asked if she was /waiting for the facility and she said "no", and without taking a /breath she said "so one was made of brick and one made of straw. /What was the other one?". It took me a second to realize she was /talking about the three little pigs' houses, and she took me by /surprise and I couldn't think of the other one. The guy coming out /of the stall had the correct answer (sticks). When she came out on /stage, I realized that Jewel was the strange Three-Little-Pigs Lady /I met in the bathroom! :-) I laughed like hell (and hell laughs quite well) when I read this. This is an example of why Jewel is so charismatic. She has this genuine little-girl innocence and bluntness that is completely adorable and entertaining, and yet at the same time she can be a cynical sarcastic bitch (although always half-joking). And this duality is reflected in her music, which is partly why I find it so interesting. It is especially effective when she mixes both extremes into a song. She is one of the most ambitious yet submissive people I've met. It's a weird combination. Must be an Alaskan thang. By the way, for the ppl who have her CD, wouldn't "You were Meant For Me" be a great second single, and a more successful one than the un-hummable "Who Will Save Your Socks"? /~\ C oo Jon Held DISTRIBUTION: apartment _( ^) elisheva@netaxs.com / ~\ "Internet, on a stick!" *THIS MESSAGE WAS TRANSMITTED ON 100% RECYCLED ELECTRONS* ....ELIONWYR?!?????!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!!????????? ------------------------------ From: kiri@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu (kiri hargie) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:34:25 -0600 Subject: Re: New Mouth Music album out! >I have not seen this mentioned in Ecto (and I admit that have had to >skim or skip some messages recently), but Mouth Music has a new album out >called "Shorelife". I just bought it last night and have not had a chance >to listen to it, but the following blurb was on the outside of the CD: > Speaking of Mouth Music. I heard Talitha on a recent Thistle & Shamrock show, and they said she was going to tour america soon...unless it was a rerun show. She also has a solo album out? kiri Kirstin A. Hargie Bitnet: byhargie@umsvm Dept. of Biology Internet: kiri@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu University, MS 38677 WWW: http://www.olemiss.edu/~kiri ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #63 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu