From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #43 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 7 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 043 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. N. Dominick" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:56:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: WARNING: long, some non-ectoid content I started working at the University of Cincinnati hospital again today, in the Psychiatric Emergency office. I haven't worked there in about six months, mostly due to a very bad experience I had with a (different) boss there on my last assignment. This gave me the opportunity to drop by the excellent independent record store of Cincinnati, Wizard. Wizard has all sorts of cool stuff, including Happy Rhodes (after I ordered a few and insisted they MUST carry it -- the manager says they have sold more'n a few copies) and all sorts of stuff. Got all worked up at the release date for Laurie Anderson's newest -- a few days after the concert, at least for me. Can't wait... I absolutely love _Bright Red_/_Tightrope_ and want to see what the new one is like. Also saw a few other things I might want to get that are coming out soon. I yelled at them for not sending me my postcard when the verified that the Jewel CD was coming in, and they promised to give me a good break on my next special order, so that is kind of a good thing, I guess. (My roommate picked it up last weekend, but I haven't really had time to listen to it.) P.J. Harvey's newest disc grows on you, just like her last one. I find myself wandering around singing "To Send You My Love", and then remembering what it's from, and thinking that's pretty cool. :-) It's definitely recommended. Went to see They Might Be Giants tonight. I've had the tickets for weeks; it's probably not a good idea to go and see a concert the first night of one's new job, but I already had them and have been wanting to see them ever since I saw them in the park in San Francisco, oh so long ago. The opening band was Soul Coughing, and the only song of theirs I had heard was one that the guy at Wizard had played for me about half an hour before the show started, and it was fairly mellow. Because the last TMBG show I had been at was also fairly mellow, I walked right up and stood about five people back from the front at the center. Unfortunately, half a song into Soul Coughing's set, this turned into the mosh pit -- unfortunate for me because a) I was wearing glasses, b) I was carrying a book that wasn't mine and c) I was not feeling especially energetic. For a while, I got away with just standing about and bouncing and going forward and back in time with everyone else. Then, I guess someone thought I was standing too still -- or, to be fair, thought I was agreeing to a question that I hadn't really heard -- and they hoisted me up and started passing me around. I had already had a crowd-surfer land on my head earlier, and had helped throw a couple of others across the room, so I just laid flat and let them pass me around. Eventually, I ended up a bit further back and to the right of center with only a few bruises to show for everyone's trouble. Then, the really unfortunate stuff started happening. I was kicked in the back (but not hard, and not on purpose; someone dropped a guy) and then the face (well, it was more like someone's foot hit my face as they wafted by, but it did knock my glasses off and when I caught them, they were in two pieces), with the eventual outcome that I will have to stay home tomorrow -- for right now, I can barely see the computer screen for lack of corrective lenses (am typing with my eyes closed, forgive any typos) and it's pretty much an emergency situation -- I am fairly useless without my glasses, especially in a computer-related assignment like I've got. Luckily, a friend has room on her sears card so I guess I'm gonna try and get express-order glasses there. Wish me luck. Incredibly, though, the rest of the concert was fun. Soul Coughing, once we were no longer in danger of bodily harm (they started ejecting crowd-surfers after two folks got kicked pretty hard -- good thing, too, 'cause I was gonna start hitting passers-by with the rather large book I was sporting) was actually pretty fun. TMBG was great, though much MUCH *MUCH* louder than I remember them, due to the full band. They came back for two or three encores and eventually played most of my favorite songs (no "Turn Around", though). I was dissapointed that I couldn't hear any of the new songs -- haven't bought _John Henry_ yet due to mixed reviews, but do have the "Snail Shell" single (_Back to Skull_) which is pretty good. To bring the TMBG concert discussion partially into ectosity, they played half of Portishead's CD while we were waiting for Soul Coughing to set up. My next concert will be Tracy Chapman on March 14th. I still don't know why she is touring -- anyone have any new info? (Like, hopefully, a new album?) Someone I've never heard of is opening for her; if there's enough interest, I can find out who it is. Her self-titled debut (heh, I sound like a Tower records commercial) was the first tape I ever bought for myself with my own money from a job, so it will always hold a special place in my heart -- and besides that, it's damned good! I'd better get to bed and hope this ringing in my ears stop soon. Goodnight, everyone. :) - --r. - -- This is a completely unusable thingamabob. -- Sam cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 1:55:53 EST Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #41 Jeff recounts: > To further this, the first time I ever heard "Wall of Death" was when > I saw Shawn Colvin in '89, I guess > [...] > _Live, Laugh, Larf, Loaf_ (sp?) by French Frith Kaiser Thompson. A > *very* weird album. yup > [...] > Then I didn't hear "Wall of Death" for another 5+ years when just a couple > of weeks ago I heard the REM version of the song (recorded for the Richard > Thompson tribute album a year or two ago -- I knew it existed, but hadn't > heard it yet) on WRNR. second only to _Stay Awake_ as my favorite "tribute" album... > One of these days I'll get to hear the original. make it soon!! Richard's solo solo stuff is pleasant, and his guitar playing is still unique (as is *cough*cough* his voice ;), and his work with Fairport Convention is one of the foundations of all folk-rock ("Crazy Man Michael" is, IMrHU, the best "neo" british folk song ever written). *however*, it's his 'duo-solo' work with ex-wife Linda (who has a very fine and very hard to find solo solo album of her own) that is utterly brilliant, and without doubt, _Shoot Out the Lights_, whence "Wall of Death", is their greatest effort, both in songs and performances. good as "Beat the Retreat" is, (and ditto the Knots and Crosses cover of "Walking on a Wire" and even John Mellencamp's cover of "Shoot Out the Lights"), the original versions are the best i've heard... *** Michael reports: > Subject: Land of the Blind > [...] > This time there were two. They had two drummers (sometimes 3) and a > Digery player, who also did the electronics. Four women sing, three > exchange lead on different songs. All harmonize. One plays flute, one > keyboards, one drums, tambourine and trade off. Pretty versatile > bunch! Covers played were The Big Sky, Running Up That Hill, a > Eurhythmics song "In The City," and Jane's "Calling All Angels," which > is on their CD, released next week. Cover art is by lead singer/writer > Cyoahka, who is also a photo artist. very cool! let us know when an album is available! *** Neil notes: > But their 10 year-old dog Happy was trapped after her doghouse was > smashed by a falling wall. of course, at her age, she's Happy to be anywhere! it's, um, a joke. *sigh* ;) anyway, 'twas a happy story (erp, sorry, did it again) and i hope she's doing well! (ditto for everyone in the Kobe area, who sadly seemed to have been dropped from the news, though the Simpson coverage goes on... *** Jacob ...s: > From: Jacob Paul Leonard > [wonderful message omitted -- go back and read it] it is this that brings us together... footah! - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 2:35:19 EST Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #42 it is with surprise and reluctance that i have to disagree with Meredith. for perhaps the first time ever, and on a subject upon which we generally agree. (shakes head sorrowfully) meth opines: > John also inquired: > >>> Happy had put her hair into pigtails, which actually looked pretty > >>> good (better on her than on Sarah McLachlan ;). As she went by I said > >>> hello, and > > > >Is that possible? :-) > > Yes. Doesn't take much, either. The first time I saw Sarah on the Fumbling > Tour (almost a year ago now, eeep!) she had her hair in pigtails, and I had > to actually bite my tongue to keep from yelling out, "Where's Toto?" been into Puck's catnip then, have you? a few cards shy of a full deck? stairs don't reach the attic? Sarah in pigtails is so devastatingly cute that i have to go bounce up and down in sheer joy. <...> <...> back. *whew* can't say i can imagine the Hapster like that, though... reminds me: long-time Ecto lurker and occasional emergency list administrator Dave Steiner and i looked at the CD-ROM version of Sarah's _Freedom Sessions_ a couple of days ago. nifty! and all done by Crystal, too! (heh heh, a reason to talk to her in NYC ;) *** Mitch mitches: > It took me this long to conclude that the post-Bottom line (or was it > pre-BL) supper enjoyed by several of our friends is really more deserving > of the sobriquet HAPPY MEAL than that fast food stuff I hear about :-). erk ;) *** BunkyTom informs: > This year, Shadow Danse Indoor Colorguard is performing to the music > of Happy Rhodes - "When the Rain Came Down". > [...] > Last year was fun, but this year, WOW !! People LOVE Happy Rhodes!! We > have never had so many people come up to us and say "We Love Your Show" and > >Everybody< wants to know who the music is by. oh, man, life is too cool. i mean, wow. gonna go bounce up and down some more! tah! foo tah!... foo tah! foo - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 2:57:04 EST Subject: State of the List greetings, Ectopians :) this is a quick note on the state of the Ecto mailing lists. first, i again apologize for anyone who was confused by the messages i sent out over the weekend. i wrote a script that was supposed to send mail to those people who had been dropped from the lists since last year. unfortunately, there was a glitch in the data (my fault entirely :) and as a result a number of people who were, in fact, safely subscribed received these messages. no harm done -- i got lots of nice (if slightly concerned) mail from people :) and even better, in the last 24 hours 33 people have resubscribed!! to all those that have returned, welcome back!! for those of you who want to catch up on missed Ecto digests, note that the FTP archives are currently shut down :( happily, the archives *are* available via WWW at . i am working to get this site organized and indexed, and to track down the digests that disappeared during the dark days of '94... ;) i've just completed some much needed updates to sendmail, along with a lot of general cleanup, on nsmx, the Ecto host machine, and hopefully the lists will be much more reliable as a result. i'm subscribed to the digest, and am aware that there are occasional weirdnesses, such as blank messages and initial "Froms" (which confuse some mail programs). i hope to get the chance next weekend to really go over the Majordomo digester script and fix these problems. in the meanwhile, thanks for your patience! on a personal note: i had been unsubscribed to Ecto for over a year, due to overwork and a series of serious personal crises (or maybe it was just one persistent crisis ;), when woj and meth convinced me to talk to jess about handing over Ecto. i'll admit, it's been a lot of work. but it has also been a delight to be back in touch with y'all, and worth every moment spent. so, thanks! :) from the secret footah control center, deep in the heart of NJ, this is - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: "Ray H. Misra" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 04:07:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ever heard of.....? (fwd) Thought those more knowledgeable than I on this subject could help this guy out in private....tell him I sent you, since you can never have enough people who owe you favors. :-) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 3:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: shaft To: horde@world.std.com Cc: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu Subject: Ever heard of.....? Has anyone ever heard of a chick named Jewl? That's it, just Jewl. She plays acoustic guitar and _really_ get's into her music. I mean she just forgets tha she is not alone and feels the groove. I've only seen her play one song, on TV, but I am in love with her. Anyone who has heard of her or knows where I can find anything by her please let me know. Thanks. May all yer tubes be full Vaguely human, Kev:-Q brother Muezzin Only those who have info on this stunning performer may smoke in my message ------------------------------ From: "R. N. Dominick" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:17:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Klaus Teil Eins (Laurie Anderson) [...deletia; about $45+ tickets for Laurie Anderson in NYC] > It's a sad day when performance art is priced way outside of the reach of > people who really want to see it and who can really appreciate it. Sigh. [...finding a copy of the Nerve Bible...] > stuff. If you're even remotely interested in the thought processes and > life experiences behind Laurie Anderson's work, this book is for you. I > find her comments about "selling out" especially ironic in light of the > ticket prices for her NYC shows, but hey. In defense, in alt.fan.laurie-anderson, her management posted about the reason for the high cost of the NYC shows, pretty much none of which has to do with money they're getting: the unions get paid (even though they have their own folks setting up and running lights), they have to pay the exterminator (so, if anyone is going to the NYC show and sees a roach there, be sure to tell origart@aol.com about it :) and the fire marshal, they have to rent the stage curtain (?) even though they aren't going to use it (!), and so on and so on... - --r. - -- This is a completely unusable thingamabob. -- Sam cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 9:23:26 EST Subject: Re: censorship. (fwd) Ray wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Steve VanDevender wrote: > > While S. 314 is undoubtedly very important to the future of > > electronic communication, I would argue that it is well outside > > the fuzzy boundaries of the Ecto mailing list. Those of us who > > are interested in such things have already heard a great deal > > about it in many far more appropriate forums. Sending this form > > letter to Ecto shows disrespect for the right of people to choose > > what they read. > > Au contraire, mon frere. It shows the _ultimate_ respect for the right > of people to choose what they read. > > Interestingly, of all the 400+ on this list, only you voice any offense > at the posting of this message. What do you suppose that says? And for > God's sake, we just wound down a discussion of British comedians, so I > cannot agree that the "fuzzy" boundaries of this list have been violated. C'mon Steve...I agree with Ray. Ecto's always been a read-what-you-want- to-read, skip-what-you-don't-want-to-read mailing list. Everyone's gone through various phases...sometimes where people like to read everything, sometimes where pick-and-choose reading/skimming is necessary, and some- times where very little can get read at all. It's different for everyone at various times of their Ecto experience. The thing is...it's the *reader's* responsibility to decide what to read and what not to read. It's not the poster's responsibility to decide if every single living, breathing Ectophile around the world will or will not be interested in what's being posted. If an Ectophile cares enough to post something, then it was important to them, and it might be important/interesting to someone else. That's far more than a good enough reason to post. Yeah, I know that could apply to you (Steve) too...Ray's post bothered you and perhaps it bothered others, but *you're* the one bucking the charter and spirit of Ecto, not Ray. Let's not start a trend...., let's not be telling Ectophiles what they can and can't post. This can? This can't? This should be? This shouldn't be? That gets into a real mess, real quick. If anyone wants a quick & nasty view of how such attitudes can get out of control, take a look at fte and rdt, where, very often, huge chunks of the posts are bitching about what someone else posted. It's appalling! Steve, what bothers me is that if you do it (and you've been around forever!) then someone else will think...well, it's ok then....and then someone else and someone else and someone else....NO WAY! This kind of stuff has to be nipped in the bud. Everyone has to understand this fundamental, basic tenet of Ecto: Ecto's a FREE-FORM mailing list. This is not negotiable...it's in the *charter*, the welcome message, the FAQ. It's not just a good idea, it's the law :-) The only things that aren't welcome on Ecto are arbitrary flames meant only to stir up trouble or cut down another Ectophile or their tastes. Steve, I didn't think your post really sounded like a flame, but it did bother me. It's not your job to tell Ray he couldn't post that...it's your job to skip it if you don't want to read it. I love you Steve, but I stand by Ray's right to post what he did. I'll stand by David Dalton's posts. I'll stand by John Shepard's posts (though please drop that idea of flaming to stir things up, ok John?). I'll stand by Mitch's posts. I'll stand by everybody's posts, unless they're posts that try to tell others what to and not to post. Vickie ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 9:50:19 EST Subject: Re: ...hold on. Hold on to yourself... > Well I got Vickie's post about how she > was feeling about Rod and she quoted the > lyrics from "ODE" in that post...I am > really new to ecto and so I didn't know > him at all but I have had a few close > deaths in my short lifetime and so it hit > close to home for me...well I read those > lyrics over and over again hoping that I > had missed something on BtC and knowing > that the person that wrote these lyrics > was no flash in the pan...I vowed that I > would go straight home and listen to the > whole thing reading the lyrics while it > played...I have not taken that CD out of > my CD player for 3 days...I know that it > sounds stupid that something as menial as > liking a CD came out of something as > moving as a death...but I thank Vickie for > posting her feelings and allowing me to > see what effect Happy can have on people's > lives...I am going to go up to Provo next > Thursday and buy as much as my small budget > can afford...I would just like to offer my > peace to all of the people effected by Rod's > death and thank all of the people that have > posted their true feelings about the entire > situation...I wish you all Happy swirls... > > -Jacob Paul Leonard You're welcome!! Thank *YOU* for posting! Good luck in your search! Vickie ------------------------------ From: bittnerme@phibred.com (Matt Bittner) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:41:16 -0600 Subject: Jewel + Highdy Ho! Good Neighbor! Just wanted to publicly thank Neal (Thanks Neal!) for my Jewel tape arrived yesterday. That, and along with purchasing her full-length CD, has made me a happy camper. People (Meredith included) helped with one thing that was driving me crazy: while "Who Will Save Your Soul" was playing, "Labor of Love" was being whislted from these lips. However, I couldn't remember who sang that song, then lo and behold, I read my ecto, and there it was! Now I'm a little less insane. It's also been mentioned that she sounds like a few people. I would have to agree, although she has enough of her own presence to make up for it. One person that came to mind while she was performing her talking bits, was Cindy Lee Berryhill. (Mimi Schneider also came to mind while listening to Jewel, but I'm saying this softly (hence the parenthesis) because she's a local Omaha women that hasn't had too much (if any) national exposure.) Damn, I feel like I'm programming in Lisp again! For those ectophiles looking to purchase something new (in case you have spare change laying around:-)) pick up "pieces of you". Wonderful. I've listend to this twice in two hours (easy, since the CD is just shy of 59 minutes), and never tired of it. I need to stop with these parenthesis. I've programmed in Lisp so much that I end up closing when I shouldn't (like :-)). Uh-oh. If this post was anywhere else than ecto, I would be flamed for posting non-Happy content. I really enjoy the free-flow content allowed here, and tend to post my new musical findings here - even though other people would find the music enjoyable. I am so sick and tired of rdt, that I'm tempted to unsubscribe. And now the "post only xxx-content" has reached fte. Such a shame. David and John, you're appreciated. Even though there are days I have to delete your messages (due to lack of time), I don't tire of your messages. Keep it up! Thanks Vickie for making other people lighten up. I wanted to post my observances to fte, but I would just end up saying "Yea! What she said!!" So, back to the music content. Someone posted before a mailing list for Jewel: what may that be? I'm also hoping she'll show up on one of the late night shows, so I can see her live. And other concert info? On a last note, I'll be unsubscribed for awhile, starting the end of March. Turns out I just got offered a better job, and I'm moving back to Omaha. At least the music scene isn't as dry as here in Des Moines! So, until that time, and when I get my other internet connection, I'll see everybody on ecto! Matt Bittner bittnerme@phibred.com ------------------------------ From: John Shepard Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:29:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: was Re: Klaus Teil Eins I LIKE my signature at the end of my files. Who is Pine to tell me otherwise? | John Shepard IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | The opinions expressed above are my own, and some of the facts too | | An Amiga owner and a Sarah McLachlan fan... God help me! | | "going going forgive us Lord we're going going down" -Jane Siberry | On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > > John Shepard added: > > >>Absulutely brilliant..."When I Was A Boy"...I have never had a song hit so > >but it could get confusing to the Jane folks... No, I heard it > >on World Cafe, and let's say I was smiling. An interesting take > >on how happiness and society tend to conflict, particularly > >where money stands to be made. > > Are you talking about the Dar Williams song "When I Was A Boy" here? If > so, I have no clue what you're talking about with the money thing. I will "they got implants to put in, implants to remove..." is what I was talking about. I was only half awake when I wrote that para anyway, I was rambling and knew someone would ask. I meant the way innocence and creativity eventually will find their way into some annoying product. Take the recent (2 yrs ago) introduction of "dirty shampoo," which is shampoo that makes one's hair look unwashed. The idea was to emulate hippie hair, which really was unwashed. I was hinting that the title could confuse those who are thinking of Jane Siberry's album of the same name. > say, though, that the first time I heard the song I had no idea who it was, > and I smiled to myself thinking, "This is a song a Wesleyan student would > write", and lo. I guess you'd have to have gone to the school to know what > I mean by that (Valerie could probably elucidate a bit more on this one :), > but hey. > I went to a summer camp at a Wesleyan college a couple summers, but didn't really get a feel for things. > > >Anyone catch Tori on the Grammies last night? > > Yes. Is it just me, or was she either a.) sick to her stomach or b.) really > stoned? She knew before the show that she didn't win her Grammy, and was probably "celebrating" her loss before the show with copious quantities of alcoholic beverages. > > Speaking of the Grammies, what a colossal waste of time. I was impressed > to see so many good performers on the bill (Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Melissa > Etheridge, and k.d. lang (though we had to put up with Tony Bennett on the > stage at the same time :P), but there were so many live performances, there > wasn't any time to actually give out any awards. If I hear the name Sheryl > Crow one more time, I am going to just lose it. Her performance sucked, too. > And after suffering through 2 hours of this we find out that the award for > Best Alternative Album was presented before the broadcast even began, and > went to Green Day (gack) to boot. Thpth. It was the first time I had watch- > ed the Grammies since about 1984, and I think that will do me for the rest > of this millenium. What a crock. Feh. Last time I watched the Grammies were the one where Milli Vanilli got Best New Artist, and the Jacksons cleaned up the video categories. > > My friend read me a quote by Jeanine Garofalo from the latest issue of > Mirabella Magazine (I have no idea what she was doing with a copy of it > either, and was afraid to ask) in which she totally cut on the Grammys. Isn't Sarah McLachlan supposed to be in the April ish of Mirabella? > It went something like, "'And the award for Song Of The Year goes to: Bryan > Adams!' 'Thank you very much. As I stand here with this award for my multi- > million selling song and think about all the musicians out there who are > working their butts off and making truly quality music but getting nothing > for it, I realize that I'm just really, really average. This is an award > for being average. Thank you again.'" (That was extremely paraphrased, but > you get the idea. :) > > John Shepard commented: > > >It was a waste of time and tape. > > Oh, come on -- I'll treasure the memory of Annie Lennox in the sequined > Minnie Mouse Of Death outfit forever. :) And Liz Phair totally fucking up > her stint at presenting an award (though admittedly, Adam Sandler didn't > help at all), as well as Chris Connell of Soundgarden starting off their > acceptance speech for the Best Metal Album award with, "All right, we're > not leaving the stage until you can all look us in the eye and tell us we're > metal. Come on!" were both priceless moments too. You gotta admit at least > that. > > John also inquired: > > >>> Happy had put her hair into pigtails, which actually looked pretty good > >>> (better on her than on Sarah McLachlan ;). As she went by I said hello, and > > > >Is that possible? :-) > > Yes. Doesn't take much, either. The first time I saw Sarah on the Fumbling > Tour (almost a year ago now, eeep!) she had her hair in pigtails, and I had > to actually bite my tongue to keep from yelling out, "Where's Toto?" I'm going by the cover photo on the FTE Live video. > >BTW, does anyone know Latin? Whoever can translate the > >sentence "the beautiful woman who does not exist" to Latin will > >a) be my friend, and b) receive a copy of the IUPU lit mag I > >need the sentence for, as the title of a drawing I'm submitting. > > Hmmm. I'll give it a go, though run it by a Classicist first to make sure > I didn't mess it up too much: > > Pulchra femina qui non existit. > > There you go. Enjoy. It sounds prettier in Latin than English! Thanks. I'll hunt down your mailing address later, and send you a copy of the final mag. > > > >The reason that most groups desire some limited topic of > >discussion is to allow readers and potential readers more ability > >to read material that they find interesting and, more > >importantly, to AVOID reading material that they are not > >interested in. > > ... > >Sending this form > >letter to Ecto shows disrespect for the right of people to choose > >what they read. > > That's why the "delete" key was invented, Steve. I use it liberally (yes, > even while reading ecto posts) -- maybe you should give it a try. I chose > not to read Ray's cross-post, hit "del", and it was out of my life forever. > Sounds like a simple solution to me. Oooooh shiiiiitttttt.... I think FTE is on the verge of another flamewar on this very subject. Don't scare me like that. > > +==========================================================================+ > |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| > |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| > +==================***The Christian Right Is Neither***====================+ What this country needs is a Christian Left, i. e. Christians en masse who are not hatemongers. But that's a flamewar best saved for tomorrow. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #43 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu