Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #774 ecto, Number 774 Wednesday, 29 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Dissidenten Mail Returns The vey, sir. Adult Education 101 1/2 Instrumental achievements release 1 of the musicians on ecto Re: Adult Education 101 1/2 Car-rying capacity redux No more... Musicians 4 letter abbreviations... Am I clanging again? Re: A survey, a survey, let's have a survey! A bass matter ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: Dissidenten Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:16:03 -0500 (CDT) This has all arrows around it 'cos it got returned once - don't know why, so i'm trying again :) > > John, I think, writes... > > > > > And then there's Dissidenten, who are from Berlin but their singers > > sing in Arabic. I think they might also have done some English. > > > > I've never been able to figure this out - anyone know the background on the > Arabic origin of their songs? (I hope this isn't too much like the "Why do > they sing in English if it's not their main language" kind of thing) I > really like their music, and am interested in knowing their reasons, if > anyone has ever seen anything... > > Thanks, > > Kath > ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:19:11 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Mail Returns Yes, we've all been getting error messages from Ecto. However, they have been delivered. So please do NOT re-send your messages. The powers that be have been notified. Thank you, -- John ======================================================================== From: alan moorse Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 17:41:51 -0400 Subject: The vey, sir. Name: alan moorse Instruments: elementary-school training on oboe, grades 6-8 on bassoon (which suddenly looks odd, no matter how I spell it) Appalachian (aka mountain or fretted) dulcimer for 1 1/2 years (class begins next week, yay! But I just shipped my dulcimer back to the builder to repair a failed glue joint in the neck, sigh!) pick-up-and-make-noise performance on penny whistle, harmonica, and ocarina ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:43:27 CDT From: Me inmidst this multitude Subject: Adult Education 101 1/2 It should probably be added to the table of educational content of this list (cf. "Fast Times at Boomdidiwana High," ecto, 11/15/91) that today's incoming brought the reader directly from one learning experience in general semantics (Neal on the inner meaning of WIVH), to another learning experience in computer science (Justin on the ins and outs of octal), though I`m still of two minds whether Neal's little dissertation more closely resembles the example of Clang- ing in an appendix in _DSM-III_ (American Psychiatric Assn., 1980), or Groucho' s monologs in innumerable Marx Brothers movies. Meredith took my ball(oon) and ran with it: >}I wonder if any of the people who go in for buying such things >}will wonder why the song is literally titled "99 Air Baloons." > >They won't. They'll think "luft" is the German word for red. Given the state of foreign language education in these United States, methinks they may think so anyway. She goes on to spin the following yarn: >[...] She had no clue whom she had just stumbled upon whilst >channel-surfing that night, but she described it as "this amazing >woman-thing who at first seemed really beautiful but then I >realized she was just supremely ugly, like a female Steven Tyler, >and she was alone on the stage with a guitar and this VOICE that >did REALLY weird shrieking things, like from one octave to >another and sort of grungey, you know, and the song had like one >lyric and it was the most supremely sexual song I've ever heard." I don't think Polly J. looks _that_ bad; but what can anyone tell me about Steven Tyler--I know from nothing about him. As for the VOICE (sic), the allleged weird things are nothing I haven't heard done by Yma Sumac, or even Happy. Maybe it's just me, what is more, but IMHO WIVH, any song that's the most supremely sexual her informant ever heard can't be all bad :-). While on the subject of linguistics: >> Are the members of these groups German natives? >In most cases they are. The exception, refering to Rainbirds and >Bobo iwwh, is Ian McGuinness, which shouldn't be too hard to guess. ^^^^ What's _that_ mean? Not all four-byte abbreviations are immediately self-evid- ent to me :-). Dennis comments on the Steven Tyler analogy: >Now, cut that out! I may not be able to analogize stuff I read in these pages conclusively to Groucho Marx monologs, but inexplicably I seem able to recognize the use of Jack Benny catchphrases conclusively. Go figure :-). > [...] to make it big when I was over there almost three years ago. I'm >totally blanking on their name, but it was reminiscent of Red >House Painters- something with Houses, I think. Klaus? Ilka? Sure you're not thinking of Bobo in White Wooden Houses? WRT Uli's comments on the low quality of much domestic German music sung in German: For some unknown reason, it all reminds me of a second-run cinema in one of the old German neighborhoods of Chicago, which used to run German films on Saturday mornings. Once, while there to view their Hollywood product, I discovered a flyer touting that other activity of theirs, and was mildly bemuse d to fins out what they were really showing. Of all the German film industry's claims to distinction, they were eschewing both _Caligari_ and _Metropolis_ on one end of the timeline, and Fassbinder and _Das Boot_ on the other, in favor of obscure pablum the details of which I can't even remember. (I never saw any of those films, I just saw the brochure.) I got the feeling that these films were not made with the broader human community in mind, just the domestic mass taste or some [hopefully under-]estimation thereof. I got to wondering just how old some of those films were when I discerned that one of the movie posters reproduced in the flyer contained an Ufa logo, that studio having not done business under that name since at least the war years. Apparently this diversity of artistic quality is not unique to any one art form in Germany :-). Yesterday I managed to pick up the new Laura Nyro CD for 30% off. As always, alas, I have not yet had time to listen to it. They say they'll have the new Mazzy Star CD in next week. I've heard that before :-). I still haven't been able to find RhodeSongs in any store that's convenient to my usual routes. _Morning Edition_ did a good feature on Aimee Mann today, which made much of how the themes of many of the tracks on her new CD are encoded comments on the music business. It was pointed out that much of the broadcast industry is re- luctant to deal with artists who aren't high concept, but that one of Boston's leading program directors has prided himself on doing just that with Aimee. Good for him. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:49:39 CDT From: Subject: Instrumental achievements As long as we're all on the subject: my greatest virtuosity on anything resembling a keyboard, with the possible exception of the ones on which I type out these outrageous little jeremiads, has been on the preset buttons of my digital-tuner walkman. Go figure. :-) Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:02:41 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: release 1 of the musicians on ecto First of all, i admit a B.A. in music; but i've got BS/MS in Computational Chemistry too! Here it is, as of now; The Semi-official Ecto musician's list: Bloom, Brian brianb@lobby.ti.com 1. digital 2. specialized piano skills Craven, Rob cs210rfc.icsun.sunnet.ithaca.edu 1. clarinet, kazoo Dixon, David dixon@physics.berkeley.edu 1. digital, keyboards Graham, Neile neile@u.washington.edu 2. accordian, guitar (strum) Liestman, Art art@cs.sfu.ca 1. ethnic percussion (bamboo) 2. guitar, string bass, tabla, piano Peskura, Michael G. mpeskura@cac.washington.edu 2. Accordian Relph, John M. relph@presto.ig.com 1. guitar, mandolin, electric bass, bouzouki, digital Shadbolt, Troy J. tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov 1. French horn, Trumpet, English horn, keyboards, viola, harp, voice (range), string bass 2. double, single reed instruments, four string instruments, brass, percussion Simchik, Andrew D. {Drewcifer} as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu 1. Voice (baritone) 2. guitar *****no name included***** Holly@umbc2.umbc.edu 1. Voice (contra-alto) ********** when a preference was listed (i'm better/terrible at:) it has been subdivided. vocal range in ( ). digital is a catch all for non-traditional instruments- including techno-geek. later all. ******************** Troy J. Shadbolt tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov ******************** ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:21:40 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: Adult Education 101 1/2 Mitch writes: |> Meredith <...> goes on to spin the following yarn: |> |> >[...] She had no clue whom she had just stumbled upon whilst |> >channel-surfing that night, but she described it as "this amazing |> >woman-thing who at first seemed really beautiful but then I |> >realized she was just supremely ugly, like a female Steven Tyler, |> >and she was alone on the stage with a guitar and this VOICE that |> >did REALLY weird shrieking things, like from one octave to |> >another and sort of grungey, you know, and the song had like one |> >lyric and it was the most supremely sexual song I've ever heard." |> |> I don't think Polly J. looks _that_ bad; but what can anyone tell me about |> Steven Tyler--I know from nothing about him. As for the VOICE (sic), the |> allleged weird things are nothing I haven't heard done by Yma Sumac, or even |> Happy. Maybe it's just me, what is more, but IMHO WIVH, any song that's the |> most supremely sexual her informant ever heard can't be all bad :-). Alas, I missed PJ's turn too, but having seen her video and seen Steven Tyler (lead singer of Aerosmith, FYI) both on video and live, I'd have to agree. It's not so much that there's an exact physical match, aside from both being lean, with long black hair and... well, actually the physical mach isn't that bad. :-) The thing with Tyler is that he runs Mick Jagger a very close second for largest lips ever put on a man, and with a hatchet face and those lips could be called ugly in repose - but is so animated that the physical looks have nothing to do with it. PJ comes across the same to me - certainly not classically beautiful, but so full of animation & life that it becomes irrelevant. This may not be what your roommate (? - lost the original) meant, but it's what I think. :-) Erik ___________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe any return address KLA Instruments Corp. rumors. The one and only True San Jose, CA Address is e_johnso@kla.com. As the cavalry of despair Takes a stand in the lady's hair For the favour of making sweet sixteen... -- King Crimson ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 17:30:09 CDT From: Subject: Car-rying capacity redux _All Things Considered just ran an Andrei Codrescu commentary WRT the crash, in Louisiana, of a Pontiac Grand Am loaded with 20 naked people from Texas who said they were in the car naked because God had told them to. I think the Grand Am is similar in size to the Chevy Cavalier, so all this might be a useful predictor of how many ectophiles could fit in the latter model, as per the concerns expressed in these pages some time ago. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:39:07 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: No more... Hi, Just a brief note to thank Mike Matthews for forwarding me the 'lost' messages re: english thread. I would appreciate it if nobody else sends them, as they are numerous... Thanks, Angelos (back to english) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Musicians Just a clarification: I've never played the accordian, just the organ. I should actually just be listed as a wannabe if anything. I do play a mean stereo and my voice sounds great in the shower. To me. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 17:57:23 -0500 From: hhtra@chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) Subject: Re: Car-rying capacity redux Mitch wrote: >_All Things Considered just ran an Andrei Codrescu commentary WRT the >crash, in Louisiana, of a Pontiac Grand Am loaded with 20 naked people >from Texas who said they were in the car naked because God had told them >to. I think the Grand Am is similar in size to the Chevy Cavalier, so >all this might be a useful predictor of how many ectophiles could fit in >the latter model, as per the concerns expressed in these pages some time >ago. Crash? Hmmm, I heard they were just stopped by the police for a moving violation. Anyway, *that* Grand Am is an older model, not the newer and smaller model. And they were naked cause God told them their clothes were possessed by evil spirits. Anyway, that's what the cop told a local radio DJ when he called for more details. TRAVIS hhtra@chevron.com ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:02:21 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Car-rying capacity redux > Mitch wrote: >>_All Things Considered just ran an Andrei Codrescu commentary WRT the >>crash, in Louisiana, of a Pontiac Grand Am loaded with 20 naked people >>from Texas who said they were in the car naked because God had told them >>to. > > Crash? Hmmm, I heard they were just stopped by the police for a > moving violation. I am pretty sure they crashed. I remember seeing the skid marks leading off the road and into the trees. Old DOG will tell y'all to do anything, because it makes good news, and keeps her laughing. And I don't remember saying I played the "digital". Sounds kinky. -- John ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: 4 letter abbreviations... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 18:04:28 -0500 (CDT) Hey Mitch... You wrote, in reply to someone else, > While on the subject of linguistics: > > >> Are the members of these groups German natives? > >In most cases they are. The exception, refering to Rainbirds and > >Bobo iwwh, is Ian McGuinness, which shouldn't be too hard to guess. > ^^^^ > > What's _that_ mean? Not all four-byte abbreviations are immediately self-evid- > ent to me :-). > I think you may have answered your own question below, where you say... > > > [...] to make it big when I was over there almost three years ago. I'm > >totally blanking on their name, but it was reminiscent of Red > >House Painters- something with Houses, I think. Klaus? Ilka? > > Sure you're not thinking of Bobo in White Wooden Houses? > I think they're the same thing... :) Kath ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:20:05 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: Am I clanging again? Mitch mentioned >>a Pontiac Grand Am loaded with 20 naked people from Texas >>who said they were in the car naked because God had told them to. You know, a friend mailed me a newspaper article on the naked religious group crammed in the car, and I'd been meaning to look for it to flesh out the people in car tales, but kept forgetting. The penalties of being lazy. I'll still look for it because it has some hilarious quotes. And a hint to Mitch: >>Bobo iwwh, is Ian McGuinness, which shouldn't be too hard to guess. > ^^^^ >Sure you're not thinking of Bobo in White Wooden Houses? Plus, I've gotta admit to completely missing all references to my ramble, being unfamiliar with "Clanging" and never seeing any Marx Brothers films. Neal ======================================================================== Date: 29 Sep 1993 19:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Fortune's fool Subject: Re: A survey, a survey, let's have a survey! Maura Burns (I feel like I'm writing a resume) Instruments: Voice (soprano, range approximately from G below middle C to high C#) Lute Recorders Medieval harp Modern flute ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 19:02 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: A bass matter Hecko, Sorry woj, I guess with Greg sleeping off the Tribe concert the time I was up there, and you setting up the equipment, I got confused about who played bass up there. Anyway, I'd bet Greg would enjoy the Bottom Line bass digest. By the way, that post might have missed the digest, as I got a bounce notice from it. If it did, the subscription address is bass-request@uwplatt.edu and I highly recommend it to all bassists out there. Bob the repeater ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)