Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #773 ecto, Number 773 Wednesday, 29 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* hey bday Re:Brutal attacks on poor, defenseless PJ Harvey re: hmmm a survey, a survey, let's have a survey! Re: Rainbirds, Heidi Berry, assorted MiSc Hello ecto Live AL-bany and Philly Re: Two Faces Two Eyes a survey of musical skills ======================================================================== hello, it's your temporary moderator again. there is still a problem with the Ecto digesting mechanism (digestion?). this problem results in delayed digests and occasional bounces. i know what the problem is, but i lack the necessary footah powers to correct it. fortunately, jessica will be back tomorrow to set all things right :) thanks for your patience! -greg ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 0:49:20 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: hey bday HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Kelly!! happy birthday to kelly!! *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:57:31 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re:Brutal attacks on poor, defenseless PJ Harvey >DATE: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 21:27:47 -0400 (EDT) >FROM: Suspended In Duct Tape > >>I regrettably fell asleep on PJ Harvey on Leno, > >You didn't miss much, to hear my roommate's description of the >event. She had no clue whom she had just stumbled upon whilst >channel-surfing that night, but she described it as "this amazing >woman-thing who at first seemed really beautiful but then I >realized she was just supremely ugly, like a female Steven Tyler, >and she was alone on the stage with a guitar and this VOICE that >did REALLY weird shrieking things, like from one octave to >another and sort of grungey, you know, and the song had like one >lyric and it was the most supremely sexual song I've ever heard." > >(I'm quoting here, and while I don't really think Polly Harvey >would break glass or anything, I must confess I had no clue who >my roommate was talking about until she got to the comment about >Steven Tyler.) > Now, cut that out! Dennis Parslow Scene of the crime, body in the bed Troy, NY 12180 One victim died, one victim fled p00421@psilink.com Never got caught, but lost his reelection Too much sex, not enough affection Timbuck 3 "Too Much Sex, Not Enough Affection" _Eden Alley_ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 03:36:02 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: re: hmmm hi there, i would recommend (highly) the cocteau twins. the sundays and the cranberries are sorta like pop versions of cocteau twins. lush is also interesting, but beware treir first album, which is actually a singles collection, and remixes of the singles. its gets real annoying by the end of the disk. someone recommended test dept. i only have one song of theirs, on an industrial/gothic sampler a friend made for me. it sounds sort of like a train running over thousands of cymbals. i like it a lot, but ecto-material it ain't. i can't say anything about the rest of their music. mouth music. bel canto. cranes. you might also be interested in SWANS _the burning world_ and subsequent works. its very moody. before TBW, however, they were industrial noise. another group to check out might be the tear garden. they consist of members of skinny puppy and the legendary pink dots, but much of the music is more ambient than one might suspect. siouxsie and the banshees. this mortal coil thats enough, i think. good night. this was going to be a personal reply, but i got bumped by a phone call while writing, and lost the address, and now, hours later, i don't even remember who i'm writing to. ah well. a little confusion is healthy. :) brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ****************************************************************************** Oh, I'd love that. | And on his dying bed I am sleepless nights | I'd be a mineral deposit, | the dirty angels I am actors in dreams | a ball of mica | flying over him like I am concience. | inside a rock. | buzzards asked him Karen Finley | Then there'd be no whistles | Do you confess? no radios, | Do you confess? no screams. | Diamanda Galas ****************************************************************************** WE DON'T WANNA GROW YOUR STINKING BANANAS ANYMORE! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 07:41:45 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: a survey, a survey, let's have a survey! Just what y'all wanted, huh. Well, here's the idea: we've obviously got quite a few musically attuned people here, and people keep mentioning different little odd's n' sod's; so why don't we cultivate a spiffy list of music skills (who knows, maybe if Happy needs a back up band :) ). That'd be kind of fun! Anyway; let's build a list. And since I was crazy enough to think of it; i'll start it out and keep track of it until someone else decides to take over. Post your musical talent to ecto, or ship it off to me at tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov. ideal format: name instrument list (pretty simple, huh). Troy J. Shadbolt officially trained to instruct and perform on the following instruments: French Horn Trumpet English Horn piano (keyboards) viola harp string bass (could try a electric) Voice (Bass to Tenor range; squeaks to falsetto) can play these with a little warm up: any and all brass any and all single reed instruments any and all double reed instruments any and all four string instruments percussion Can you tell I have a music degree? later all (long live the list!) ******************************* Troy J. Shadbolt tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov ******************************* ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 9:14:55 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Rainbirds, Heidi Berry, assorted MiSc >Other English-singing European groups that I can think of are: >A-Ha, Peacock Palace, and a German group that was just starting >to make it big when I was over there almost three years ago. I'm >totally blanking on their name, but it was reminiscent of Red >House Painters- something with Houses, I think. And then there's Dissidenten, who are from Berlin but their singers sing in Arabic. I think they might also have done some English. Oh, and don't forget the Beatles :-) -- John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 12:56:36 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Hello ecto Hello ecto, I've just finished writing my diploma, YAY :-) All I want to do now is - RELAX, wading through the last 40+ digests and listening to the just arrived HBP and Albany tapes (Thanks very much, Doug). I must say that the Warpaint stuff sounds much better live than on the album. See you later, Dirk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ || \\\\\ || ///// | dkastens@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE || ))))) IRK || ((((( ASTENS | "Music's the way, the only way I know" || ///// || \\\\\ | Happy Rhodes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 9:59:05 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Live AL-bany and Philly Hi folks, Can someone out there please send me the set lists for the Albany and Philadelphia HAPPY concerts? I want to label my tapes and I discovered I don't have the info online (surprised myself). Thanks! -- John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 00:16 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Two Faces Two Eyes Jesus, this is almost a flame. And that from me... > So what exactly is the deal with this group and, say, Bobo, > and any other group in a foreign (esp. Eur.) country writing > and singing songs in English. Are the members of these groups > German natives? How do they know English and why use it to > write songs in, esp. if they're music is not available in US? > Or Canada. Is it available in UK/Aust/NZ? What is their audience? > Is there that large an English-speaking population in Germany > itself? Or, are they originally from some other, English-speaking > country? As at least two or three people already said, almost anyone in Europe does speak English, at least as a second language. For example I had 9 years of English in school. And being a computer freak and studying computer science and reading English novels, and of course ( ;-) ) reading Ecto & Love-Hounds & Really-Deep-Thoughts and all the international Newsgroups improved my English a bit. Probably, due to USENET and mailing lists, I read more English than German. To further qualify my statement about 'almost anyone in Europe' I'd add that 'really almost anyone' below 40 does speak English. You can't evade English in school, at least not in Germany. Four years is minimum. And we don't have a chance. All you Americans seem to be very reluctant to use anything but English when trying to communicate (goes for quite a lot of British people too). Or to write computer programs (non-English user interfaces are quite uncommon). Or even to accept our special characters. (Even the name: SPECIAL characters. What's so special about them?) Germany is one of the few countries in Europe where films aren't subtitled but almost always dubbed. Even though most people know English it would be unimaginable, especially for older people (who generally don't know that much English and generally don't listen to modern music), to have to cope with subtitles. Now why do quite a lot of German musicians sing in English? As others said before, the market is just BIG in English whereas it's small in German. Well, German would be one of the biggest markets besides English, but most of the stuff that's sung in German is CRAP. Absolute CRAP. Deutsche Schlager, Schnulzen, Volksmusik. You don't want to know how BAD this music is. Of course there are exceptions, quite a lot of exceptions, but nevertheless exceptions. To name just a few: Nina Hagen (also sings non-German), Bap (hallo Ilka ;-) ), Herbert Groenemeyer, Marius Mueller-Westernhagen, Die Fantastischen Vier, Erste Allgemeine Verunsicherung, most of the 'Neue Deutsche Welle'. I'll stop here by saying that I don't like some of those groups/artist mentioned here, but they are HEAVEN compared to Heino or Die Wildecker Herzbuben or Rex Gildo or Ernst Mosch. There are only very few artists who belong into the usual German Schlager music scene that I'd consider good. Exceptions too. Due to most of German sung music is CRAP, and due to many German radio and TV stations playing lots of this CRAP, all the other radio stations play about >80 percent English stuff (MTV takes the role of these stations when it comes to TV, hence the influence of MTV on German charts). It's even difficult to become successful (without sacrifying quality) in Germany if you sing German. The young generation has difficulties accepting the German songs. Again, there are exceptions (in the young generation and in the songs). So besides getting bigger international fellowship, many German musicians sing in English to have bigger success in Germany too. Sad, but true. In France, the government insists on a certain percentage of music sung in French on radio and TV, and so there's quite a lot of quite good French music now. By the way: Bobo, though she's German, actually is from East Germany, and in East Germany the percentage of people who can speak and/or understand English is much lower than in West Germany. That's because the former regime insisted on Russian as the first foreign language. Russian is difficult, and so most haven't been too keen on learning the language of the 'enemy' too. And, Angelos, if you will write in Greek in the future, how do you want to get all the Americans to use software that can handle Greek characters? Wie waer's, wenn ich in Zukunft in Deutsch schreibe. Klaus? Ilka? Dirk? Meth? Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:30:32 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: a survey of musical skills Well, i'm always ready to humiliate myself. :) So, to answer the latest survey -- Name: Michael G Peskura Instrument: Accordian Well, almost. I played the squeeze box for quite a few years when i was a tyke. There are some moldy photographs around to prove it: i look like a potato with a crewcut. (It's probably one reason why i no longer cut my hair!) But, lacking musical inspiration (don't even dance fer crissake), i haven't touched the thing in years. I would, however, love to learn to play 'real' keyboards. That way i'd know what to do with the 'button hand.' Let's polka now! -- Michael Peskura -- University of Washington -- Seattle USA ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)