Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #762 ecto, Number 762 Monday, 20 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* correction sinead&peter Re: back from limbo WOMAD in SF Re: back from limbo Re: RHP, keeping up, Jarre, HaPpY Birthdays Hey bday Guess what! Re: Hey bday Re: so they ate the music... Twins Separated at Birth Re: Keeping up?! DCD in Chicago My order....... Today's your birthday friends.... deep forest? wee DCD Re: Out Of Limbo boom! ======================================================================== Subject: correction Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 19:48:06 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrt the "Summer" lyrics and my question on the first line: "Ooh, to feel the wind that rushes through *his lips*" I was obvious the first time I listened to the song on my stereo and not on my 'phones. This is definitely one of Happy's finest. (somehow it reminds me of some mid-period Tony Banks compositions; this isn't the first time I've said that about some of Happy's more recent stuff--most notably "Mother Sea.") BTW, a friend let me tape Dead Can Dance's _Into the Labyrinth_ on Friday night. This is a MUST BUY for ectophiles! Far more male vocals than we usually see around here, but that's okay. The album is to die for. Oh. Speaking of male vocalists, here's a question on a completely non-Ectophile artist that I'm hoping *someone* out there can answer anyway. ;-) I'm completely and utterly obsessed with Matthew Sweet (ectoartist tie-in: he co-wrote, with Jules Shear, the title track of 'Til Tuesday's superb "Everything's Different Now"). Anyway. I've got _Girlfriend_ (superb in a vaguely cruncy/occasionally folky beatleseque sort of pop alternative way) and his new release, _Altered Beast_ (also wonderful, though I'm not yet convinced it's quite as good). I've recently been alerted to the fact that he has a*nother* album, I believe just called _Matthew Sweet_ which came out in '86. Has anybody heard it? Is it worth having? Jeff (rambling, lest he should actually have to log off and get back to work on that paper he has due tomorrow. ;-) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== From: snpf@ugcs.caltech.edu (The Duchess Of York) Subject: sinead&peter Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 22:03:36 -0800 (PDT) the womad festival was good, great, fantastic. I was in the fourth smashed row of standing people (or so). Most weren't ... well, it only takes a few, and there were some assholes who made stupid comments which sinead could probably hear. I couldn't tell how the crowd sounded clapping-wise, but everyone was impressed with her and peter. She was going to sing a solo (I think), but didn't, and from that point on it seemed peter was protecting/encouraging/standing up for sinead. I'm impressed with both as people, and the few comments from the crowd (and some things were even thrown toward the stage in sinead's direction) made me hate the general public...idiocy. so the l.a. crowd wasn't as cool, apparently, as chicago's. Oh. the comments were like "oh, you're hot". It was only a small number of people, but I wanted to kill them. Dispite that it was a strong concert (all of the bands), and sinead was strong as well. (I swear she heard the guy in front of me talking about how six months ago she said she wasn't going to perform again...this right before her solo during the into music). Lovely dancing and happiness. I'm tired. :) -seanympf ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 1:02:15 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: back from limbo Steve VanD insults Neile: > Since I am now one of the few people who has seen both Neile and > Vickie, I'm going to nominate them for the first Ecto "Separated > at Birth" column. What a horrible, horrible, horrible thing to say Steve! Poor Neile! Now, everybody who's seen me are going to have these awful mental pictures of what Neile looks like. *Shame* on you Steve!! :-( Vickie (no smiley for this, I really am upset. I hatehatehatehate myself and the way I look, and for anyone to say that anyone else looks like me is such an *insult* to them, so don't anyone ever, ever, ever do that again!) ps, I'm not fishing for nicey nice "You look ok" compliments either. I would expect people, especially Ectophiles, to say such nice things because you're nice people. How I feel about myself isn't something that anyone but me can do anything about. pps, sorry about this self-derogaroy tirade, but when a 3rd person (Neile) is involved, I couldn't let it pass. ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 22:37:26 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: WOMAD in SF Hi folks and all ships at sea, Angelos, Emily & I just got back from WOMAD. The tickets were only $10, and as a result, about 100,000 people showed up! It was *incredibly* crowded! We ended up about 60 yards from the main stage, and were packed in so that we couldn't move. Emily had to go to the restroom and didn't make it back for an hour and a half, missing the Crowded House set. Otherwise, how was the music? It was quite good, albeit a *mite* bit loud. We came in just as the Drummers of Burundi were starting (San Francisco public transportation is generally awful - a trip that should have taken an hour took two instead.) The Drummers were fine for a while, but they seemed like a one trick pony to me. PM Dawn's set dragged in the middle but was overall very good, even if one of their new songs did sound an AWFUL lot like "Father Figure" by George Michael. Stereo MC's were, well, programmed. Killer drum/bass arrangements, though. Ziggy was fine (I'm not much of a reggae fan). Then came Peter Gabriel... It was the first time I'd seen him in concert.. some of his stage gestures seemed a little stiff, but in general I liked the choreography. Then something cool happened.. in the middle of "Solsbury Hill", he stops the music and scolds someone in the front, "Stop that right now. This is about respecting other people." I didn't see what was happening to cause him to react like that, but I admired his integrity. Surprisingly, he didn't end with "Biko". We didn't pack any food or drink, so we were starving and tired by the end of the evening. After dinner Angelos showed me his Happy memorabilia, including some pictures of some of you guys, so now I finally know what you look like . D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 22:55:38 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: back from limbo WretchAwry writes: > Steve VanD insults Neile: > > > Since I am now one of the few people who has seen both Neile and > > Vickie, I'm going to nominate them for the first Ecto "Separated > > at Birth" column. > > What a horrible, horrible, horrible thing to say Steve! Poor Neile! > Now, everybody who's seen me are going to have these awful mental > pictures of what Neile looks like. *Shame* on you Steve!! :-( As far as I could tell, Neile did not mind the comparison. I think it is up to Neile to decide whether she is really insulted by the comparison, and if she is, then I will humbly and sincerely apologize. > Vickie (no smiley for this, I really am upset. I hatehatehatehate > myself and the way I look, and for anyone to say that anyone else > looks like me is such an *insult* to them, so don't anyone ever, > ever, ever do that again!) Insult, like offense, is taken, not given. It is not up to you as a third party to decide whether someone should be offended by a comment. > ps, I'm not fishing for nicey nice "You look ok" compliments either. > I would expect people, especially Ectophiles, to say such nice things > because you're nice people. How I feel about myself isn't something > that anyone but me can do anything about. Yes, but don't force us to hold the same opinion of you that you do if you don't feel good about yourself. Yes, Vickie, you may not conform to societal norms of beauty, but that doesn't mean that you are not a worthwhile person, or that anyone that looks like you has to feel that he or she is ugly because of your feelings about yourself. > pps, sorry about this self-derogaroy tirade, but when a 3rd person (Neile) > is involved, I couldn't let it pass. I am sorry that my comment offended you, but neither will I let you take offense for Neile if she took none herself. I cannot think of any way to take the harsh edges off of this message without taking out the important parts, too. It's OK to share your feelings of inadequacy with others, but they aren't obligated to hate the things about you that you hate about yourself. ======================================================================== From: Tim "Cook." x297 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 08:35:38 BST Subject: Re: RHP, keeping up, Jarre, > NTSC is the video system that US and Japanese TV broadcasters and video > equipment in general use. It's completely incompatible with PAL, the > European/Australian system. PAL uses more lines in the picture, less frames > per second, a different colour encoding system, and in the case of VHS a > slower tape speed. and don't forget SECAM which is used in France! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 08:41:24 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthdays Here's wishing HAPPY Birthdays to Chris Williams and Joe Zitt on 20th September. Have a Great day folks Peace Terry === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 4:28:16 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey bday HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Chris Williams (my rock, my love...my one in a million) HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Joe Zitt!! (I love you too, but in a different way :)) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 4:35:47 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Guess what! I've got to go to bed! But I just wanted to say that I just spent a couple of very nice hours "talking" to Steve VanDevender and I feel a whole lot better. There's a story behind my little outburst earlier and after I tell it, perhaps you'll understand my emotional tirade. However, I do have to work in the morning and I'm falling asleep at the keyboard, so it will have to wait. For now, just know that I do feel better, that I'm quite abashed at what I said (and of course, meant no disrespect to Neile or Steve, if he thinks we look alike) and that it's just been a bad night. *HUGS* to all, and to all a nighty night Juha! Vickie ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 20:53:09 +1200 Subject: Re: Hey bday Much happies to Chris 'n' Joe on their birthday!!!! Have a wonderful day, and be thankful you don't live here - you'd probably miss it :):):) .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: so they ate the music... Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 13:42:00 BST n Fri, 17 Sep 93 at 11:43:35 PDT "John M. Relph" wrote: > "Rubberband Girl" made me think of Madonna. Let's see, Madonna lets > herself be stretched in various ways in order to please and tease the > public. Kate Bush wishes she were the Rubberband Girl, because then > she would be famous and rich, not just a cult artist. Try, KaTe would like to be a "Rubberband Girl" because then she could bounce back from personal trauma (of which she's had plenty recently, even if she and Del haven't split up - something of which I remain to be convinced), like a tree bending before a gale and therefore not breaking. By trying to resist giving way to upsets, KaTe has more difficulty coping wit them than if she were more flexible. The above is only my opinion, of course, but consider that in many markets outside of the US, KaTe is not a "cult" artist. In her home market (the UK) she has been famous ever since "Wuthering Heights" and her records have sold plenty well enough to make her rich by the standards of most Ectophiles (unless we have any lurking millionaires in the group, in which case I have this little scheme I'm looking to get funded... :-)). -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Twins Separated at Birth Vickie, I feel flattered to be compared to you on any level, and think it's fun that Steve thinks we look alike. I see it as a little more ectosynchronicity in the world, and we can all use more of that. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== From: moorsa@rpi.edu Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 11:36:45 EDT Subject: Re: Keeping up?! Albert mentions listening to music in his dreams... and it reminds me of something I heard months&months ago on Mountain Stage. One of the guests said he had had a dream in which it was something like 1962, and Buddy Holly's plane hadn't gone down, and Little Richard hadn't found the Lord, and he was listening to Little Richard's new album and thinking what a shame it was that ..... hmm... wait a second AHA! he WOKE UP and thought "what a shame, the only song I can remember is the one I've heard before" then realized that he really hadn't ever heard it before, and so wrote it down. And he sang it. It was the show that had the BOBS and INgrid Karklins on it. March maybe? alanm ======================================================================== Date: 20 Sep 93 11:46:02 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: DCD in Chicago The Vic Theatre in Chicago has finally confirmed that DCD will be there Nov. 2. Tix are *not* yet on sale, however. Allow me to recommend Patty Larkin at Schubas this Sunday, 8pm. Tix $7 in advance thru ticket-gipper. Her new album which I hope to get before the concert features The Story doing some vocals. I saw her a couple years ago and she is alot of fun and very talented. (The first time I saw her was with the 4 crazy women tour, featuring C.Lavin, Megan someone and some other.) -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 18:06:38 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: My order....... I got some of the CDs I ordered from the catalogue today - the following five CDs are out of production (as it seems) : Diamanda Galas Be Certain Of The Devil Grace Darling Grace Darling Miranda Sex Garden Gush Forth My Tears (I didn't expect to get it either :) I just wanted to be certain) A.C. Marias One Of Our Girls All About Eve Scarlet & Other Stories But I got more than enough new music for a while now I guess :) I got 12 Cds now : Cocteau Twins - Treasure Heaven Or Las Vegas The Pink Opague Dead Can Dance - Dead Can Dance Danielle Dax - Blast The Human Flower Throwing Muses - Hunkpapa Hex - Soundtrack To The Global Chaos Rainbirds - Two Faces Lene Lovich - Flex ... Plus Bjork - Debut Heidi Berry - Heidi Berry All About Eve - All About Eve And I'm waiting for following CDs : Rainbirds - Rainbirds Call Me Easy, Say I'm ... Cocteau Twins - Victorialand Throwing Muses - Throwing Muses Concrete Blonde - Bloodletting Cocteau Twins - Garlands Dead Can Dance - Passage In Time Dead Can Dance - Aion Throwing Muses - House Tornado Concrete Blonde - Concrete Blonde Usikre : This Mortal Coil Blood Monsoon Third Eye Regards, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: 20 Sep 93 07:47:43 Subject: Today's your birthday friends.... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *************** ***HAPPY******* ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ******************* *** Chris Williams **** ******* Joe Zitt ****** *********************** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Chris Williams Tue September 20 1960 Neon 3-D Computer-generated Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Michael Blackmore Fri October 4 1963 Libra Tim Breitkreutz Wed October 7 1964 Libra Dan Riley Sun October 8 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 8 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 8 1968 Crunchy Frog Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 spam -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 12:33:50 EDT Subject: deep forest? My mom told me that there exists a soundtrack called "deep forest" which I should look into. I haven't found it yet. Anyone have any info about it? -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "To TeX or not to TeX... That is the question." ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 09:32:26 CST From: kiri Subject: wee DCD Court and I have tickets for the Dead Can Dance show in Atlanta... YEA! It was really funny ordering the tickets by phone. The operator said ''This band must be really good if you're coming all the way from mississippi.'' I sorta chuckled thinking I drove a heck of a lot farther to see Happy in Philly....Hey but it's worth it. kiir ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 10:55:10 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: deep forest? >My mom told me that there exists a soundtrack called "deep forest" >which I should look into. I haven't found it yet. Anyone have any >info about it? "Deep Forest" is a project by some Frenchmen which involved taping some African pygmies singing, and then adding modern dance backing to the heavily modified tapes. It's got some nice ambient dance stuff, very pleasing, and very interesting vocals. My only complaint is that there is too much sampling and modification, and not enough unedited pygmy voices. Still a very good album all in all. -- John ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 08:26 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Out Of Limbo > Fri. Wound up "sleeping" on the sofa in my suite, sort of. We had a > tech problem and got really backed up! I'm here to tell you that you > *don't* want to apply 25,000 volts to a pc board. There was a hole in > it about half the size of a dime... Seems the High Voltage in our Somehow this reminds me of an 'experiment' we've done a few years back. We had an already defunct EPROM (one of the 8 KB size, 'twas a while back...) and we couldn't resist to connect it to the wall outlet. 220V that is. A bit too much for a simple IC? Well, you're right. First try didn't do anything. Either the connection melted away immediately or there wasn't any to begin with. Second try (another pair of pins) resulted in a test of the fuse: it was dark... Third try (yet another pair of pins) resulted in an EPROM that was more like two halves of an EPROM and a few little particles of the EPROM. And the fuse went away again. There was no Experiment IV... That was fun. And it was the most easy way to open the chip. Well, thinking of it, now I'd probably sell it to some DRAM manufacturer ;-). Now don't try this if you don't know how you do it and what you do. The other guy was in his training as an electrician, so maybe this excuses this experiment... The second most easiest way to open an IC is to take a pot of boiling water, a pot of ice water, a sponge, and to put the IC with the sponge into ice water, into boiling water, back into ice water, back into boiling water, until the chip gives way. It resists an astonishing amount of heat shocks this way. This procedure was applied to a defunct ACIA of my C64. This time the procedure was invented and executed by my chemistry teacher whom I had asked to use some acid or whatever to open the thing. He said 'no luck' and thought like a physics teacher... Has anyone else succeeded in opening an IC in some 'nice' way? Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 11:11:52 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Mitch wonders: >> I had hoped to stop by the Park View Pet Shop yesterday to ask why a kitten >> would cry incessantly, and coincidentally meander up Clark Street to Tower to >> see if they has _RhodeSongs_ yet That's what I need, a pet to do my CD shopping for me. Imagine all the time that could save. SteveV notes: >> And now I'm off to the Eugene Celebration, called by some the >> most spectacular self-congratulatory display imaginable (a city >> throwing a party for itself) but which I think is a lot of fun. Well, San Diego has proclaimed itself the "Finest city in the country", or something like that, and has a week long patting-themselves-on-the-back session. D^2: Sounds to me like you've won the right to put your 2 cents in 100 times :) Neal ======================================================================== Subject: boom! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:22:25 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Uli posted some fun stories and then asked: >Has anyone else succeeded in opening an IC in some 'nice' way? Well, no, but this does remind me of the story told by David Small, a hacker/developer for the Atari ST (he created the first Mac emulator unleashed on the world...). Apparently he was annoyed at an old HD and after removing any needed software, he took it out to a firing range and hooked it up to a car battery so it was spinning at normal operating speed (3600rpm, which is ridiculously fast). He then fired a bullet into it, which stopped the spinning platters and changed the nature of the drive's kinetic energy drastically. Harddrive go boom. Mua ha ha ha! (the story might be apocraphyl, but Small wrote an article about it in either his company's (Gadgets by Small) newsletter or in a DC-area user's group magazine) Jeff (listening to Eat the Music/CITW in a lab right now and adoring every last bit of 'em. ) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)