Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #755 ecto, Number 755 Wednesday, 15 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Me & IRC Re: DCD and Heidi Berry Re: YaY Re: MiniDisc, TSW A few ramblings Re: Keeping Up Even more tech stuff on CDs, I must be crazy Re: Even more tech stuff on CDs, I must be crazy The Story in Boston Baltimore City Paper and more card stuff... Cranberries in concert - Minneapolis, Friday 9/17/93 RE: Keeping Up ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 21:07:50 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: Me & IRC |>>> > > BTW, what are "mini-discs"? Are those the 3" CDs or are they not |>>> > |>>> > Time for me to slip into technophile mode... :) |>>> |>>> Fine by me. Thanks for the answer. So it's a commercial, |>>> magneto-optic, audio disk? Based on your summary I'd probably choose ... |> It is not |>magneto-anything. The biggest problem with magneto-stuff is it is not |>safe in the long term. It would be too easy to have an entire shipment |>of mini-discs wiped completely clean during shipment (very difficult |>for cd's ;-) Another technophile ectophile speaketh. :-) There are actually two types of MiniDiscs. The prerecorded disks are pressed like CDs; the recordable ones are magneto-optical. However, the magnetic part is limited to record time. (I dumped on the details earlier - I'll not waste the bandwidth again. If you want what I know of the details, fell free to ask.) Erik _______________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe any return address rumors. The KLA Instruments Corp. one and only True Address is e_johnso@kla.com. GECS d-- -p+ c+ l u+ e- m+(--)* s++/+ !n h+ f+ !g(+) w+ t@ r+@ y+(*) Out of woman comes the man, spend the rest of his life getting back when he can. - P. Gabriel ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 0:45:44 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: DCD and Heidi Berry TimC writes about Heidi Berry: > I read somewhere that she is originally from Boston but is living in England > at the moment. I can find out, because I'll be interviewing her in a couple of weeks! :-) She'll be at the Park West here in Chicago (I don't have the details in front of me, but it's only a $6.00 show) and I'll be interviewing her the afternoon before the show. (Be assured, I'll familiarize myself as to the date :-)). Charley and I have become quite a team since the Mary Coughlan interview a couple of weeks ago. He helped me set up an interview with Sheila Chandra last Saturday at the WOMMMAD festival by calling Real World in New York. That worked out (in a convoluted way) so he's on a roll now. He's set up the Heidi Berry interview and is working on Dead Can Dance, Jane Siberry and Kate. (Might as well set sights high!) I'll catch up with AnthonyH & Anil before too long :-) I still want to write about WOMMMAD, but I just haven't had a chance. Tim will be here until Sunday and we've been plying him with music and movies while he's here. (They just watched "My Cousin Vinny" and now I have to record my show for tomorrow.) Hello to Erik! Welcome to Ecto!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 1:34:23 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: YaY Neal asks: > Thanks for the WOMAD info Vickie. Any other hot tips before the weekend? Take an umbrella! :-) There was a torrential downpour in Chicago (lots and lots and *LOTS* of spectacular lightning!) which closed down the second stage and the vendors. The good thing about it was that it drove away all the casual festivalgoers and the few hundred who were left were *die-hard* Gabriel fans, so the energy and outpouring of love and enthusiasm for Peter and Sinead and the band was incredible! Luckily, most of the day was absolutely beautiful, cool with clear blue skies. It only started to rain when the sun was going down. I think most everybody had a great time. I know we did! The only problem I had with the Festival itself is that it really should have been called WOMMMAD, the World Of Mostly Male Music, Arts and Dance. Sheila Chandra was the only solo female artist, and she opened the fest, so a lot of people missed her set. We just barely got there in time, they were introducing her as we were walking in the gate. Beyond Shelia, there was the *extremely* lame Caroline, of Shankar'n'Caroline, backup female singers with Jah Wobble, PM Dawn and Stereo MC's, and the most wonderful Sinead singing backup with Peter Gabriel. It really was Boys Town otherwise and yeah, it bothered me. Where was Zap Mama? Trio Bulgarka? Aster Aweke? Shelly Thunder? Najma? Ingrid Karklins? Bel Canto? Mari Boine? Asha Bhoshle? Ofra Haza? M'bila Bel? Mahotella Queens? Iva Bittova? Happy Rhodes? :-) (Speaking of...Sheila Chandra is now the proud owner of a Warpaint and an Equipoise. Not to mention an Ingrid Karklins that Charley gave her.) The only problem I had personally was that Chris accidentally recorded over these *wonderful* show IDs I had gotten from Sheila. She did her "Speaking In Tongues" thing (ticka ticka...) then "hi, I'm Sheila Chandra and you're listening to Suspended In Gaffa..." but at least I still have the interview itself, which was great. It was a wonderful day though, and just to be there was a dream come true. The interview with Sheila was icing on the cake. Don't miss Sheila! Also, definitely don't miss the Drummers of Burundi! (And don't bother standing in a long line for the Virtual Village. Wait until later in the day when you'd be likely to get in quicker. I know people who stood in line for an hour and a half, and it wasn't worth more than 15 minutes. There are other, better things to see and do. One thing that we were confused about...there were signs saying that Sheila would be at Tower Records signing autographs at 3pm. Charley and I assumed that she would be going to the store in Chicago, but it turned out that she was at the Tower Records *tent*, set up to sell CDs, cassettes and videos. We found out *after* she'd been there and gone. Not that it mattered, since we were going to interview her later, but I know other people who were confused about it too and would have gone there to meet her. So look around for a Tower tent, and check to see if she'll be there signing.) Have fun! We did!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 1:38:36 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: MiniDisc, TSW Erik (hi!) writes: > ObEcto: I'm sure someone must have asked this before, but I wasn't here to > see the answer so it doesn't matter. :-) Is Happy have any plans to tour > out here on the west coast? I'd love to see her live, but there's no real > way I'll be able to get east anytime soon. Happy has some tour plans up her sleeve, but we don't know what they are yet, or if the west coast is included. Ecto will be the first to know about any details, so don't touch that dial! :-) (I love The Sensual World too!) Vickie ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:26:32 +1200 Subject: A few ramblings Vickie Vickiates on the WO(MM)MAD festival... > Take an umbrella! :-) There was a torrential downpour in Chicago (lots > and lots and *LOTS* of spectacular lightning!) Looks like your musings on the lack of good lightning storms a while back paid off!! > The good thing about it was that it drove > away all the casual festivalgoers and the few hundred who were left > were *die-hard* Gabriel fans, so the energy and outpouring of love > and enthusiasm for Peter and Sinead and the band was incredible! 'Silver lining' ? :) > The only problem I had with the Festival itself is that it really should > have been called WOMMMAD, the World Of Mostly Male Music, Arts and Dance. I had meant to ask you what WOMAD (WOMMMAD) was, but this answers that question... Does 'Mostly Male' apply to the dance as well ?? (I love dancing) (That reminds me, has the film "Strictly Ballroom" made the rounds overseas (ie. away from Australasia) yet?) > I still have the interview itself, which was great. I envy you so much, getting to meet so many wonderful singers! > (I love The Sensual World too!) yaaay!! :-) ,,,,,,,,,,,, |||||||||||| ```````````` ** The KaTe "Aspel++ Tape" Query ** Does anybody know if I can get hold of a (good) PAL version of this?? Tom Estes replied to my post on gaffa and told me he can supply good quality copies, but only in NTSC format. Luckily I have friends who tell me they can do a NTSC -> PAL conversion, but I don't know what the quality is like, so I thought I'd ask about PAL versions. (really ought to do so on gaffa I suppose...) (I have had an offer of a PAL version of the Aspel interview only, but I was hoping for the whole thing) ,,,,,,,,,,,, |||||||||||| ```````````` Alex Gibbers... (sorry:) > I'm not sure I'd want to say that on Gaffa though! /get fire hose > It's sort of confusing at times what to say here and what to put in gaffa. I know the feeling! (Ecto is much friendlier IMHO -- may you all be mercilessly assaulted by warm fuzzy things! :-) ,,,,,,,,,,,, |||||||||||| ```````````` I wonder what the chances of seeing any new KaTe on what passes for the local music-video programmes here? I looked for a Heidi Berry album the other day, but I couldn't find one. I'll ask to hear some of the new Jane Silberry CD I think... oh well... I'll stop rambling now... .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' "This is where I want to be This is what I need" --KT ======================================================================== From: Tim "Cook." x297 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 08:45:45 BST Subject: Re: Keeping Up I used to have that problem. I bought the music but never had enough time to listen to it. At the moment I've got a job where they allow walkmans so I can sit at work all day listening to fabbie music. At weekends I go home which is a 500 mile round trip. Takes about 10 hours in total. That's 10 hours of great music listening. I even treated myself to a disc walkman and the difference in sound quality is amazing. The only problem is I have to balance it on my knee to stop the laser jumping. British Rail train tables vibrate at an alarmingly high rate and CD players don't like that at all! tim ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 03:16:28 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Even more tech stuff on CDs, I must be crazy Warning, this is a purely technical posting about recordable CDs but has a good explanataion (I hope) of magneto-optic CDs if you still want to know how they work and don't want to kill all techno-heads by this point. Boy this quoting is getting confusing: It started with me asking what MiniDiscs were and then I think Phillip replied and then I replied: Erik says: > Alex says: > |> Philip says: > |> > Alex says: > |> > > Fine by me. Thanks for the answer. So it's a commercial, > |> > > magneto-optic, audio disk? Based on your summary I'd probably choose > |> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > |> > I can't imagine it's magneto-optical based... not unless they've > |> > improved the technology a lot since last I heard - it simply wouldn't > |> > be fast enough! (even with the compression) > |> > > |> > Then again, I can't think of another way to do it, so perhaps my > |> > |> Perhaps it's WORM (Write Once, Read Many) and not eraseable? That > |> uses laser heating only and doesn't require the magnetic field to > |> hold the polarity of the crystals until they re-solidify I think. > > Wow - reading the list for only a day, and here's a question I can > actually, authoritatively answer! :-) The MiniDisc is not a WORM. It is > definitely erasable/rewriteable. It gets read by the laser like a regular > CD, but uses a magnetic field to write. Hi and welcome. :) I'm pretty new here myself. Glad to hear it's eraseable. > The recording process works by using the laser at a higher energy to heat > the material of the disk in a small area (the size of the laser spot), which > produces a change the magnetic coercivity(*). The field will polarize the > disk material within the spot, making it either reflective or non-reflective > when read. This looks close enough to the pits of the pre-recorded disks > that the read-back laser can get the data off the disk and convert it to > music for us optically-deprived humans. :-) This sounds like a simplified description of a magneto-optic disk. (No offense Erik, since who would expect a such technical discussion in Ecto. Or would you guys?) So it is magneto-optic or.... Dennis says: > bit anyway" stuff, so closer to 5:1 compression. It is not > magneto-anything. The biggest problem with magneto-stuff is it is not > safe in the long term. It would be too easy to have an entire shipment > of mini-discs wiped completely clean during shipment (very difficult > for cd's ;-) Actually the only way to erase a magneto-optic disk is to get it too hot... Magneto-optic disks: Blank ones have a layer of some material that is physically unpolarized... i.e. the crystals in the material point in all different directions randomly. To write something on the disk you use a laser to heat a spot, which melts the material enough to let the crystals move. To record a "1" you apply a magnetic field to orient all the "freed" crystals in the same direction (because they are magnetic dipoles or tiny magnets). To record a "0" (especially if it was a "1" before) the magnetic field is off to leave the crystals random. (I might be wrong about what's a 0 and a 1). When the material in the spot solidifies the crystals in the spot are all stuck either pointing in the same direction or randomly. The only way to erase it is to HEAT it to where the crystals are freed. You can't erase it with a magnetic field alone... you must have the heat... so don't leave it on your dashboard, which is pretty deadly to any format (especially here in Tucson! :). To read one you shine laser light on the spot. Spots with random or unpolarized orientations (0) reflect back unpolarized light, while spots with physically polarized crystals reflect back polarized light (1). The reflected light goes through an optical polarizer which blocks most of the polarized light but not all of the unpolarized light so the detector can tell the difference between a 0 and a 1. This is not compatible with traditional CDs. You could also shine polarized light on the spot, in which case random spots would reflect back a fair amount of light while polarized spots would absorb more of the light. I'm not sure this is used as much but I can see how this might possibly allow magneto-optic players to read normal CDs, but I doubt it. (Even I am tiring of going into details at this point...) In either case, today's players can't read magneto-optic disks since they do not use polarized light. Now I *still* don't know if MiniDiscs are magneto-optic or not, but I don't know of any other eraseable/re-recordable CD format, but then I've been out of touch for a couple years. I can't believe I just wrote all that and I wonder if anyone actually cared enough to read this far... :) Opt-sci in my address stands for optical sciences but CDs are not my specialty.... unless you include listening to them and even then... man, I'm tired... --- Alex R. Gibbs |\| | (~, ]-[ ~|~ ]-[ /-\ \/\/ ]< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu "I'm not the me I used to be." ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Even more tech stuff on CDs, I must be crazy Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:17:20 BST On Wed, 15 Sep 1993 at 03:16:28 -0700 Alex Gibbs wrote: ... stuff deleted ... > > when read. This looks close enough to the pits of the pre-recorded disks > > that the read-back laser can get the data off the disk and convert it to > > music for us optically-deprived humans. :-) > > This sounds like a simplified description of a magneto-optic disk. > (No offense Erik, since who would expect a such technical discussion > in Ecto. Or would you guys?) So it is magneto-optic or.... ... stuff deleted ... > Now I *still* don't know if MiniDiscs are magneto-optic or not, but > I don't know of any other eraseable/re-recordable CD format, but > then I've been out of touch for a couple years. The point that seems to be slipping through the cracks here is that the mini-disc *DISCS* are of two sorts. Pre-recorded ones are pressed like CDs (i.e have pits) and cannot be recorded on. Blank ones are magneto-optic and erasable. The mini-disc players read both kinds. Neither kind is readable on a conventional CD player (as far as I have heard). -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:27:51 EDT Subject: The Story in Boston Justin and I are going to Boston to see The Story live on October 2nd at Somerville Theater. Are there any other ectophiles going there? -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "To TeX or not to TeX... That is the question." ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:19:03 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: Baltimore City Paper and more card stuff... Hi everyone, I just wanted to mention that I was looking through the current edition of the City Paper for Baltimore, and it's filled with "The Best of Baltimore". This is a compilation of various "best", like "Best Natural Disaster" (the blizzard), "Best Weekend Getaway", etc... Well, for the best CD store they list An Die Musik, with the following mention... "There's also a fine section of imports and obscure indie titles; if you're looking for CD's by such nonmainstream acts as Papa Wemba, Happy Rhodes, the Vaselines, or Wayne Horvitz, this should be your first stop." :) Slowly, but surely the Ecto army marches on... :) Also, several people have mentioned that they liked the idea of the Happy cards. Holly mentioned that she has access to printing facilities, and seanympf mentioned Kinkos as a place to get such things printed up. I have an idea for the design, but I was thinking that we should get Happy's permission before we go forward with this. Should I give them a call or write them a letter? Anybody else have some ideas for the card design? Here's what I was thinking... FRONT ------------------------------------------- | | | Happy Rhodes | | AG | | Symbol | | Aural Gratification | | P. O. Box 380 | | Bearsville, NY 12409-0380| | Ph # | | | ------------------------------------------- BACK ------------------------------------------- | Discography | | | | Rhodes Vol. I | | Rhodes Vol. II | | Rearmament | | Ecto | | Warpaint | | Equipoise | | RhodeSongs | | | ------------------------------------------- One question I have is how much info should be put on the discography? Should we put the order numbers (or whatever they're called :) ) on it? Should we list the prices? (I guess that's more than one question. :) )Any input would be appreciated. Vickie, did you get my mail message?? John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:56:18 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) hi all, here i go klausing again... > >Still unable to locate RhodeSongs. Amoeba has a couple of used Happy CDs. >A Warpaint for 4.95, and an Ecto for 7.95. [BTW, the Warpaint is an original >pressing, sans barcode]. I also tried to find _Vena Cava_, the new Diamanda >Galas Cd but all three places I looked at didn't have it. > i was at tower last night iso the new kate single (which they didn't have :( ), and noticed that they had 71 (count 'em) happy cd's on display. i was rather impressed. >Angelos *********************** >BTW WRT how many ectophiles can fit in a Chevy Cavalier: 30 some years ago, it >used to be trendy to see how many college students could fit in a VW Beetle. >Unless people have generally gotten bigger since then, surely one could fit >at least that many into the Cavalier (more if it's a wagon). Anyone recall >any stats from the good old days? > i don't know about cavaliers, but when i was in high school we fit 10 or 11 inside an impala, and another 5 clung to the roof/hood/trunk/ windshield/mirror. we never expected steve to actually start driving, tho!!!! by then it was far too late to get off... > Mitch ********************** > One thing I've always liked about Ecto was the low flame content. >My thanks to Tree for his noble attempt at not feeding the fire. >The world is full of different things, else we should all eat Vanilla >Ice Cream. We can state our likes and dislikes here without being >jumped on (usually...). Please! ahem. you mean chocolate ice cream, i assume!!! > Looks like some of you are starting to find "RhodeSongs" in the >stores! I just know that someday, if I'm good... see above... (good cover, by the way) > Uncle Bob ************************ well, no luck finding new kate. i got the new jane siberry and tori's "winter" single (i guess it takes 1 tori and 1 jane to make up for 1 kate... :) the tori single said "special limited edition" and "handwritten lyrics by tori amos enclosed." well, i suppose she handwrote the pages that went to the printer... this is my first jane siberry album, and i'm not overwhelmed by it. i have the sneaking suspicion that after i've acclimated myself and then spend some time doing some "deep listening", this may become one of my favoriter albums. in other news, my bone still hasn't knit yet. i have a feeling that they are going to have to operate, eventually, but my doctor doesn't want to do that unless its absolutely necessary, so we wait. well, i must get out to see my physical therapist... bi brni ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 11:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: Re: Baltimore City Paper and more card stuff... > Hi everyone, Hi, John! > I just wanted to mention that I was looking through the current edition of the City Paper for Baltimore [...] I think I know who's responsible for the Happy mention... Care to 'fess up, Sue? > Also, several people have mentioned that they liked the idea of the Happy > cards. Holly mentioned that she has access to printing facilities, and > seanympf mentioned Kinkos as a place to get such things printed up. I can do flyers and such, but not cards. > One question I have is how much info should be put on the discography? I think some brief description of the music should be included, but that wouldn't fit on a card. John, I think I accidentally deleted your last message to me. (je suis betise!) Could you send it again? Holly ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:52:45 CDT From: hoyme@src.honeywell.com (Ken Hoyme) Subject: Cranberries in concert - Minneapolis, Friday 9/17/93 Thought there may be folks interested in this item. The Cranberries will be playing a concert at 1st Avenue in downtown Minneapolis this Friday evening, September 17. Tickets are $8. They will be playing around 9PM. I will be there and post a review. For those that may be interested, 1st Avenue is the place where Prince (or Mr. Symbol) got his break and was promenently featured in his film "Purple Rain". (Although I don't recall if they named it, but it was where he was performing in the movie). They tend to be a promotor of local bands and small alternative groups getting their start. If you are within striking distance, join in the fun!! If not, check your local listings to see if they come to a place near you.. Ken Ken Hoyme Honeywell Technology Center (612)951-7354 3660 Technology Dr., Minneapolis, MN 55418 Internet: hoyme@src.honeywell.com ======================================================================== Date: 15 Sep 1993 11:59:15 -0500 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Subject: RE: Keeping Up "Keeping up" is a big deal. Thanks to the largese of the computer industry, I have essentially reached the stage where I can afford to buy as many CDs as I can assimilate. I got a CD player for work, I listen constantly at home, and if my commute was more than twenty minutes I'd have bought a Discman by now. More difficult than just listening time, though, is actually forming a coherent *understanding* of it all, how one artist's style relates to others', how one album relates to the others, etc. To solve that problem I've resorted to what I'll admit is a rather extreme solution: I'm writing a book reviewing every single piece of music I own! Not only is this a great way to actually figure out what you like and don't like about everything you have, but if you have a substantial collection it's actually a pretty interesting premise for a music guide. (Books like the Rolling Stone guide, or Trouser Press, or the All-Music Guide, try to be either comprehensive (AMG) or definitive (RS) or "alternative" (TP), and this inevitably results in lots of things being left out (RS, TP), or not a lot getting said about anything (AMG), or both. All three of these guides also make an effort to seem "objective", and accomplish this mostly by passing off subjective opinions as truth, which is especially annoying in a book with multiple reviewers, because you can't even calibrate the reviewer's opinion with your own easily.) One goal of this project is to understand music at a larger granularity; see more of the forest the trees make. If you spend all your time listening to the radio (or mix tapes, or singles), then your granularity of understanding is the song. Buying albums and paying attention to them as coherent works (not just collections of songs, although some aren't much more than that) lets you see music as a series of albums, rather than a series of songs, which is a very good thing, since there are probably about ten times fewer albums in your collection than songs. The next step is to understand each artist's career in toto, and how their albums interconnect and interrelate. Depending on your collection, this can be a big help, or not so big. Over half of my collection is composed of stuff by artists who I have five or more things by, so moving the conceptual granularity up to artists vastly reduces the number of "info-nodes" I'm keeping track of. At this point, then, I make bringing a new *artist* into my collection a relatively big deal, compared to another release by an artist I already "know", and more so the bigger the new artist's body of existing work. (It helps also, I've found, if you adopt some arbitrary recent year, in my case about 1977, as the effective beginning of rock history.) Artists I discover, I try to evaluate pretty concentratedly. If I like them, I usually buy up back catalogs pretty quickly, and if I don't I try to fit them into my musical worldview somewhere and then not pay them a lot of attention. Now, writing a book may seem like a lot more *work* than this process should have to take (especially if you see how big the book is, and I'm only just over halfway done with it), but if you're concerned about keeping up to begin with, isn't music *worth* the effort?! It is to me. I hope that helped, but I bet it didn't... glenn ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)