Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #745 ecto, Number 745 Friday, 10 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* The Other Ones, Eurogliders Re: Mailbombed again? Re: all things Re: haircuts Equipoise Re: ecto #743 Send photos! DCD and Heidi Berry My Own Humble Opinion Hey & Belay Bday Card-informers Re: My Own Humble Opinion Hair Not Mitch Elrod! Re: Shame! [Was: Cross - Over - Tones] ======================================================================== Subject: The Other Ones, Eurogliders Date: Thu, 09 Sep 93 19:48:17 -0700 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com Alex Gibbs asks: >-==- >Does anyone know what happened to the group "The Other Ones"? I got >the self-titled album several years back and think it's pretty >cool, although nothing amazing. Anyone know? >--- I got that album too, and like a few of the tracks quite a lot. I seem to recall hearing that the lead singer (whose name escapes me and I don't feel like getting up and searching thru my LP's to find it) subsequently worked on one of Tony Banks' (Genesis) solo albums, but aside from that they appear to have dropped off the face of the Earth. Another band in a similar situation is the Eurogliders; I have their album _This Island_, with some great songs, like "Heaven" and "Cold Comfort". Grace Knight had a very interesting, slightly husky voice and I'd love to hear more from her/them. I believe both bands were Australian. Hey Anthony, you're the big-time music reviewer, know anything about these folks? :) John "not really stuck in the 80's" Zimmer ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 01:26:29 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) > >Strange occurances and sightings: > >1) >>-seanympf >>(i shaved my head last night...hat size decrease :) ) >> >2) > Today I got a massive haircut and I am no longer long-haired. But >>my shoe size is still the same. >> Bob L. >> > >3) Earlier this summer I cut my hair (fairly) short...and each time I get in >that chair at supercuts it gets shorter and shorter... >4) And then Bob N. (ya, you), went from longer than shoulder-length hair >this summer to the buzzzzzzzzzzz. > >Trend or conspiracy? >You decide. > humph. i did that YEARS ago. maybe i'll grow my hair back. :^p -------------------------------- > >kiri >*preparing to 'woman' the phone for DCD tickets* >and ya know Neneh Cherry is pretty cool > "pretty cool"?!? > >oh BTW does anyone know anything about a group from CT called >NBRQ?? One of my workmates saw them in Memphis and said they >were really good, and would like more info about them. > the only NRBQ i have is on a thelonious monk tribute album. they apparently cover monk a lot, if that gives you any idea of what they are like. brni (who is very tired and is going to sleep now) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 2:10:20 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Mailbombed again? Mitch mitches magnificently, as usual, and says: > >Now (everybody join in for the chorus): YOU ALL HAVE TO VISIT CHICAGO! > > If only because Chinatown has its own elevated station, from which a > panoply of Chinese restaurants are clearly visible. Darn! The one time Valerie visited Chicago I took her to a Mexican restaurant. (It had to be so, because she met me at my workplace and we went to lunch. It was a choice between the Mexican place or a cheezy greasy spoon across the street.) > The Happy Rhodes Recording Front's communique threatens, _inter alia_: > > > [...] the destruction of many notable Manhattan landmarks, > > starting with the Capitol Records building and moving uptown > > from there. > > I had long suspected that some good had to come out of the dismal state of > geographic education in America. On balance, I think the Capitol Records > building is quite safe from these folks :-). I was wondering about that myself. I thought that corncob-looking building was in Hollywood. I was trying to picture a moving company lugging it across the United States, tying up traffic like you wouldn't believe! > Which episode of _Babewatch_ :-) was Ma"dchen Amick in? I have no memory > thereof. I have no idea, I've never watched a second of Baywatch. I just heard that she was in it. > Vickie asks WRT _The Miracle_: > > > [...] Does Mary play the strange woman? [...] > > No, Beverly D'Angelo (of all people) does. So what part does Mary play? Hey, I can picture Beverly playing a strange woman. She's a great actress. (Btw, Neil Jordan and Beverly D'Angelo lived together for years, so it's not too suprising why she was cast in The Miracle and High Spirits) > Vickie's discussion of Mary eventually comes around to: > > >Charley and I were talking about the songs we'd like to see Mary cover > >and I mentioned a couple of Happy songs. Charley said no, Mary couldn't > >cover Happy because Happy is still in that tension-filled, angst-ridden > >state, wheras Mary is long past that to the point of "fuck it, have another > >drink." [...] > > Maybe she could cover Tom Waits, who reportedly once said "I'd rather have a > bottle in fromt of me than a frontal lobotomy." I asked Mary who she likes to listen to. She cited Tom Waits as a favorite. I'm suprised she hasn't covered one of his songs yet. She did say that she'd "demo'ed" one, but it never made it to an album. Too bad. > She continues: > (green, probably) beer all day > > I have always wondered why on St. Patrick's day, both the Chicago river > and the > mass-marketed lager are dyed green, I've lived in Chicago for 3 years now, and I finally saw the famous "St. Patrick's Day Chicago River" (yes, dyed green...how do they *do* that?) in the film "The Fugitive." I'm part Irish, yet I've never been to a St. Paddy's day celebration of any kind in my life. Too many drunkards roaming around. Btw, this Irish Fest that Mary was at was a "Halfway to St. Patrick's Day" celebration. Honest, that's what it was billed as. > >Btw, her name is pronounced "Cogland." > > Reminds me of the episode of _Rumpole of the Bailey_ in which Rumpole checks > into a hotel, is asked by the desk clerk looking up the reservation to spell > his name, and replies, "R-U-M-P-O-L-E, pronounced Marjoribanks." :-) :-). I've already been chastised by someone from rec.music.celtic that it's "Cock-lann" but that's not what it sounds like when she says it. I guess that "gh" sound is the kicker. If you make a noise as if you're clearing your throat when you say it, it sounds like "g" but if you play it in slow motion it probably is "ck." Gaelic and all things related are just too weird for words, but I like it all. I just don't like to pronounce it. "Maire" is "Moya"? "Eithne" is "Enya"? Give me a break! > _If I Should Fall, etc._ was indeed a good album, the first Pogues record I > ever got. I remember feeling some relative deprivation that Cait O'Riordan > had left the band by the time it came out. I especially liked the track about > the NYPD band. "Fairytale of New York" with the very most wonderful Kirsty MacColl helping out there. (Is Declan ever going to let Miss Cait do a solo album?) > >A long time ago, waaaaay back when _The Sensual World_ was released, > >Dirt Cheap Records in Kansas City was selling subway posters of Kate > > Subway posters in a city without subways. Way cool! Well, there's tons of caves, but no one ever got around to connecting them and installing tracks. Vickie ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: all things Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 02:28:28 EDT > And while I'm here I can't avoid making the observation that the > World's phone number, 739-WRLD, could be SEX-WRLD if they wanted > to take that slant in advertising. BTW, the company that runs The World is Software Tool & Die. You figure it out. :) -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: haircuts Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 02:31:29 EDT Regarding haircuts and going from long to short hair, Jim Gurley wrote... > Trend or conspiracy? > You decide. And, I just had a few inches of my hair cut off.. though, of course, mine is still past the middle of my back. ;-) -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:40:31 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Equipoise Me and a friend just listened to Equipoise and as always I get this terrific feeling............Earlier today (I haven't been to bed yet) we tested out a DJ-kit with Warpaint (Which I really adore!!!), 4 Non Blondes and in the end Tori Amos (My friend just borrowed her Little Earthquake :) But back to Equipoise - The album just continues to grow on me - It has since I got it in the middle of February. My friend is addicted and has ordered the album and RhodeSongs too (He just had to get them !! ) EQ will be my favorite album forever as will all of Happy's albums. Just wanted to drop in to say it -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 23:31:53 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: haircuts > Trend or conspiracy? > You decide. Well, my hair is half-way down my back. Guess they haven't found me yet. Alex, looking out for shear-wielding snipping agents ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 2:43:17 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ecto #743 Bo goes: > As for haircuts, once again cute young straight boys are adopting what has > been a queerboy trend for some time now, which is to cut one's hair > *really* short or to shave it off. Very sexy, including my own do. Michael Jordan and Sinead O'Connor can get away with it, but I haven't seen too many other people who can. Whatever, it's none of my business what people want to do to their own heads, but I'm sorry, I don't think it's sexy at all. My own personal preference is for long hair. I *love* to see long hair on guys. I'd die if MyChris ever cut his hair, it's down to his butt, longer than mine even. > Snip or fall behind! Fall behind in what? Fashion? Is it important? If you have a buzzcut because it looks good on you, is comfortable and easy to take care of, that's great. But if you have a buzzcut because it's in fashion, well, that's fine for you too, but "snip or fall behind!" implies a fashion- concious attitude toward other people that's not very polite, Bo. Vickie (who thinks that the best thing about being unfashionable is the fact that she doesn't have to worry about what's in or out of fashion. People will love her as she is or not at all) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 3:06:08 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Send photos! Jeff Kellem makes me happy: > And, I just had a few inches of my hair cut off.. though, of course, mine > is still past the middle of my back. ;-) Alex Gibbs doubles it: > Well, my hair is half-way down my back. Guess they haven't found me yet. > Alex, looking out for shear-wielding snipping agents Yum'n'Yay! Vickie (I have no intentions to be rude to people with short hair...I'll love you any way you are. I just want to encourage those with long hair to keep it long, if you like it that way and have a job where it doesn't matter.) *HUGS* to everybody, long-haired and short-haired and no-haired... ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:23:53 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: DCD and Heidi Berry Hi there, yesterday I went to Frankfurt and checked out Dead Can Dance. The new album is actually not out yet, but it will be on Monday. Anyway, I had a listen into that compilation CD (sorry, forgot the title). I must admit, it *has* something - I especially like the medieval influence, but I really can't say that this is the ultimate thing! I put the CD back into the shelf, but I will still check out the new album on Monday. But: all you folks out there who have not yet listened to Heidi Berry don't hesitate - go and get her music NOW! I already had the latest CD, but yester- day I also discovered her album "Love" from 1991. It is fantastic! This is certainly it! I have to find out whethere there is anything else from her out there and I *have to have it*!!! Does anybody know whether she is actually English? And does anybody have the words for "Love", as they aren't included in the CD? I would really appreciate that! ...anyway, I'm sure most of you would love her music... That's it! Have a great weekend, Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 3:39:48 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: My Own Humble Opinion 1) Eat The Music Lots of fun, very bouncy and cute. Trivial, but I like it. I think it might be the first song on the album that I get tired of, but for now I don't mind hearing it over and over again. 2) ETM (extended) Extended triviality, but I like it too. 3) Big Stripey Lie *Very* cool! Even though I don't much care for the drum machine sound, I'll get over it, just because everything else about the song is interesting. I especially like the violin. I assume it's Nigel Kennedy....sighyummy. 4) Candle In The Wind I *LOVE* this version!!! I've loved it since I first heard it on the "Rocket Man" CD single. I could listen to it over and over and over again. The music, the keyboards, remind me of Tony Bank's first solo album _A Curious Feeling_ and maybe that's why I love it so much. The background vocals are lush and ethereal, and the forground vocal is plaintive and poignant. When Kate sings "...all the press were hounding you" it's sung with such empathy and force that it gives me chills. Kate knows all about being hounded by the press (before Di came along Kate was the most photographed woman in England) and yet she didn't have it a fraction as bad as Marilyn. I definitely hear this as a tribute to *Marilyn* rather than just a tribute to Elton John's song. I love listening to this song on headphones because the music and background vocals swirl around and fade in and out in an almost disorienting way. That slightly edgy yet lush arrangement, plus Kate's alternating melodic/clipped way of singing adds up to (for me) a very haunting and disorienting song, which seems quite perfect since Marilyn's life was haunting and dis- orienting. I love it, I simply, honestly, love it. Vickie ======================================================================== From: Tim "Cook." x297 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:38:44 BST Subject: Re: DCD and Heidi Berry >But: all you folks out there who have not yet listened to Heidi Berry don't >hesitate - go and get her music NOW! I already had the latest CD, but yester- >day I also discovered her album "Love" from 1991. It is fantastic! This is >certainly it! I have to find out whethere there is anything else from her >out there and I *have to have it*!!! I think she's got three albums out. >Does anybody know whether she is actually English? And does anybody have the >words for "Love", as they aren't included in the CD? I would really appreciate >that! I read somewhere that she is originally from Boston but is living in England at the moment. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 4:24:16 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey & Belay Bday HAPPY (belated) BIRTHDAY to David Blank-Edelman!! HAPPY (on time) BIRTHDAY to Holly!! *HUGS* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:59:00 -0600 From: nixie de la seanympf Shaving the head is fantastic! I feel more powerful. It must be a trend! :) And, you cannot deny the beauty of the human head shape. I love the back of the skull especially. *bzzzz* queerboy trend? Lesbian trend? I don't know. -seanympf ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:08:11 -0600 From: nixie de la seanympf Subject: Card-informers I think the cards are a fantastic idea. You know, Kinkos does card things cheaply, so perhaps we could each individually do a few to give out (send out a format), because that would erase postage. comments? -seanympf ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 10:39:39 BST On Fri, 10 Sep 93 at 3:39:48 EDT WretchAwry wrote: > 4) Candle In The Wind > > I *LOVE* this version!!! I've loved it since I first heard it on the > "Rocket Man" CD single. I could listen to it over and over and over > again. The music, the keyboards, remind me of Tony Bank's first solo > album _A Curious Feeling_ and maybe that's why I love it so much. The > background vocals are lush and ethereal, and the forground vocal is > plaintive and poignant. When Kate sings "...all the press were hounding > you" it's sung with such empathy and force that it gives me chills. Kate > knows all about being hounded by the press (before Di came along Kate > was the most photographed woman in England) and yet she didn't have it > a fraction as bad as Marilyn. I definitely hear this as a tribute to > *Marilyn* rather than just a tribute to Elton John's song. I love listening > to this song on headphones because the music and background vocals swirl > around and fade in and out in an almost disorienting way. That slightly > edgy yet lush arrangement, plus Kate's alternating melodic/clipped way > of singing adds up to (for me) a very haunting and disorienting song, > which seems quite perfect since Marilyn's life was haunting and dis- > orienting. I love it, I simply, honestly, love it. ** THANK YOU VICKIE ** for posting your opinion of KaTe's "Candle in the Wind". It's nice to know I'm not the only person in the world who loves this performance. It's got a lot of stick, especially in r.m.gaffa, much of which is undeserved, IMO. And you're so right, too, about the media pressures on KaTe in the UK in her early years when she was very much the pop superstar. This is something that many US-based KaTe fans don't seem to appreciate because of KaTe's relative obscurity in the US. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 22:21:04 +1200 Subject: Hair Evidently one cannot have medium length hair - we must either grow it long or shave it off :) Personally I decided to grow my hair late last year (it takes sooooo looooooong......:( as I was bored with it, and shaving it off sounded distinctly cold! (and harder to 'repair' should I hate it :) It is currently in the state generally referred to as 'a mess' ;) as it tends to curl out at the sides (I was going to have it cut at the front/sides and just grow the back, but it is showing vague signs that it might look alright with a bit more time...) but I am treating it as an experiment, and I think I like it, so that's alright... Vickie vickiates: > My own personal preference is for long hair seanympf seanympfies: > Shaving the head is fantastic! I agree - because people should do what they want to, not what TrendyHair magazine tells them to... (not that they're necessarily different, but you see my meaning) But then again it's all hairsay anyway :-) Nighty night, Juha to one and all, .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 6:19 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Not Mitch Elrod! Yes, I'm not Mitch!:) Anyone who has heard the HPB tape knows I am but a lowly bassist. Apart from his vocal on Warpaint I've not heard him. My imploring posts were a favor for Susanne, who asked me to tell the net about Mitch's album. I've not been posting as much of late as I am in the midst of refinancing my house and negotiating for a new "real" job. Things are not dull around here, folks! brni, call me at work if you read this! nice to see you back on here now and then! Wonder if Mitch needs a bass player... nah, too far and away... Bob the bottomfeeder ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Shame! [Was: Cross - Over - Tones] Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:13:36 BST On Thu, 9 Sep 93 at 22:19:30 MET brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) wrote: > Yesterday I wrote about "Cross - Over - Tones": > > > The music was as varied; modern classical music, Irish and Swedish > > traditionals, avantgarde jazz, industrial and medieval music... > > > > [...] > > > > Karsten Jensen played two movements of Olivier Messiaen's "La Nativite > > du Seigneur" at the beginning and end of the concert. The first part > > (2nd movement) was a bit odd, starting out as a slow minimalistic > > piece and then developing into a sort of fantasia (unfortunately, this > > part was a bit spoiled by the quality of the pibe organ, it sounded > > pretty cheesy when played only in the mid and upper ranges). The end > > piece (3rd movement) was more like a classical (e.g., Bach) organ > > piece. > > I just spoke with my brother, and he told me that Messiaen is far from > modern classical music; rather the greatest classical composer for the > organ (and a from about Bach's time). Talk about putting both feet in > the mouth... :-( > > My only (weak) defense is that Messiaen apparently was a major > influence on modern 12-tone music, so my association of "La Nativite > du Seigneur"'s 2nd movement to modern classical music wasn't > completely unfounded. But that hardly defends not having heard of > Messiaen in the first place... I'm afraid your brother is completely wrong. Messiaen only died a year or two ago (aged over eighty) and is very much a modern composer. Nobody in Bach's day could even have conceived of music like, for example, the Turangalila Symphony (definitely one of my Desert Island Discs). Your brother must be confusing Messiaen with some other composer entirely, though I'm at a loss to think who it might be. Buxtehude possibly (just a guess)? As far as I'm concerned, the greatest composer for the organ from about Bach's time was good old Johan Sebastian himself! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)