Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #733 ecto, Number 733 Thursday, 2 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: The Joy Luck Club movies, but no Stephen King Bay Area venues slight correction David Wilcox IRC meeting Odd ends Ecto gathering Re: Odd ends Where's Gaffa Central? Mitch Elrod The Dam Bursts! Champagne Jam (extended mix), 8/31/93 ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Re: The Joy Luck Club Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 14:01:23 CDT mjm mjm's: >Went to see a sneak preview of a really neat movie last >night called the Joy Luck Club. [...] This movie is >fascinating for too many reasons to enumerate here, but >I would like to recommend it to all ectophiles. If the movie is as good as the book, then I'm with Mike! The book by Amy Tan on which the movie is based is terrific. She also has another book out, the title of which is _The Kitchen God's Wife_. I'd recommend it as well. -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@cray.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 15:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Re: The Joy Luck Club From: IN%"MJM@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com" "Mike Mendelson" 2-SEP-1993 14:58:23.69 > >Went to see a sneak preview of a really neat movie last >night called the Joy Luck Club. The cast consists solely of >Chinese actors: mostly actresses. It follows the stories of >4 women and their respective daughters. Each woman emigrated >from China to US but not before undergoing some rather >severe "experiences" in their homeland. This movie is >fascinating for too many reasons to enumerate here, but >I would like to recommend it to all ectophiles. I will say >no more (because anything more that I say could influence how >you view the movie). It should be in theatres soon. >It is very different, very gripping, very genuine. >The more I think about it, the more I like it, and the more >I want to see it again. oh yes! you don't know how excited I am to hear about this! I really liked the book alot..it hit me very emotionally and is probably one of the more beautiful books I have read dealing with relationships. Please please get to buffalo soon! -Quenby ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 12:05:23 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: movies, but no Stephen King Just some quick movie notes. I saw Woody Allen's latest, "Manhatten Murder Mystery" and thought it was a lot of fun. If you have a tendancy towards motion sickness, take some dramamine before hitting the theaters, because Woody's still in love with those stupid hand held cameras, so the film jerks and bounces all over the place. Completely unnecessary, since the actors are already pretty jittery and nervous. But that was my only complaint and all four people who went really enjoyed it. Apparently it was written with Mia in mind, but the roll really seemed made for Dianne whatshername. I could only occassionally picture Mia in it. I also so a movie called Twist, which was a documentary of rock and roll dancing. While it seemed to be very America oriented, I did notice a lot of Canadian organizations financing it. Anyway, they talked with a lot of singers responsible for dance craze songs - Hank Ballard, Chubby Checker, and a number less memorable ones, and had lots of American Bandstand dancers talk about their experiences. It was often really funny and a blast to see people dancing things like the monkey, the elephant walk, the fly and lots of other really odd dances. Wow, I didn't even know they were making the Joy Luck CLub into a movie. A number of my friends have read the book and all have praised it highly. I can't believe I haven't been inundated by the previews yet. I swear I'll probably go psychotic if I see previews for "The Marriage Plan" one more time. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 13:16:44 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Bay Area venues Troy ranted and raved: > Whew, that was close. Anyway, where do California people think Happy and > Kevin should play? When I talked to Kevin on the phone, I suggested the Freight & Salvage in Berkeley-- the oldest folk club west of the Mississippi. 300, I think. It's a really nice place, smoke-free, good PA, etc. I play at open mikes there a lot. If not the Freight, then the Great American Music Hall in SF would be ideal. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Sep 93 15:23:47 CST From: kiri Subject: re: the Joy Luck Club mjm writes about the Joy LUck Club If i'm not mistaken the movie is based on the book of the same name by Amy Tan. It was a bestseller a while back. My mom *loves* Amy Tan's books...especially since she is taking Chinese and has a better appreciation of the whole affair. Courtney is back on-line and should be resubscribing to ecto real soon... kiri ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 13:22:38 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: movies, but no Stephen King Neal opined: > > I also so a movie called Twist, which was a documentary of rock > and roll dancing. While it seemed to be very America oriented, I did > notice a lot of Canadian organizations financing it. Anyway, they talked > with a lot of singers responsible for dance craze songs - Hank Ballard, > Chubby Checker, and a number less memorable ones, and had lots of American > Bandstand dancers talk about their experiences. It was often really > funny and a blast to see people dancing things like the monkey, the elephant > walk, the fly and lots of other really odd dances. I second this recommendation. Emily & I saw "Twist" last weekend, and it's a lot of fun. It's not very innovative-- the territory of rock'n'roll anthrolopogy is well-traveled-- but it's worth it just to see some of the archival footage (especially the Molecule-a-go-go). When I saw it, there was an extra short feature at the beginning from the late 50's, "Do's and Don'ts of Dating". A real scream. BTW, part of The Joy Luck Club was filmed right here at UC-Berkeley, so you'll get a chance to see Our Fine Campus. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: 02 Sep 93 16:46:04 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: slight correction mjm scribbled carelessly: >night called the Joy Luck Club. The cast consists solely of >Chinese actors: mostly actresses. It follows the stories of This is very sloppy. The actresses, by and large, are almost certain to be American. They are of Chinese descent/ancestry. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 02 Sep 93 17:14:35 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: David Wilcox Okay, Okay, so I am in self-correction overdrive. Context: I am in the midst of cataloging all my CDs (too many too mention the number thereof) via a neat program Klaus sent me call cddb (for windows). Since I now have a CD-player in my computer at work. I mentioned David Wilcox off-handedly: | David Wilcox also springs to mind (though I've never seen him live). | His best CD is an "official bootleg" that does capture him live. That | is 25 minutes of great music (perhaps a future HBP contribution there) | that Tower gave away for free a couple of years ago. His two CDs | are more subdued. Allow me to revise this description. I have been listening to Home Again (For the First Time), his 1991 release, and it is really awesome. Hey, maybe this guy is an updated James Taylor... Nawww, still very different than that. I would plunk him right in the New Folk category where Colvin, etc. are. Anyways, this CD has some really cool songs on it: His voice just melts over the headphones. Here are his descriptions of two songs to whet your appetites. With some added comments by me. Wildberry Pie: "Yes, it's a song about sex, but it's also a kind song about a smile between lovers that celebrates real-life love." This is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a good long time. Let Them In: "was made into song by John Gorka from a poem found in a hospital in the Philippines during WWII. The nurse found the poem kept it all these years until the recent war (in the Gulf) brought out all the memorabilia. Luckily, her daughter sent a copy to John." One of the most touching songs I've ever heard. And a great story too. Here is the poem: Let them in Peter They are very tired Give them couches where the angels sleep And light those fires Let them wake whole again To brand new dawns Fired by the sun Not wartime's bloody guns May their peace be deep Remember where the broken bodies lie God knows how young they were to have to die So give them things they like Let them make some noise Give dance-hall bands, not golden harps To these our boys And let them love Peter For they've had no time They should have trees and bird songs And hills to climb The taste of summer In a ripened pair And girls sweet as meadow wind With flowing hair And tell them how they are missed But say not to fear It's gonna be alright With us down here Let them in Peter Army Dreamer's inside-out? Anyways, that's been the hilight of my day. -mjm ======================================================================== From: Tim Breitkreutz Subject: IRC meeting Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:53:30 -0600 Well, I just left IRC with a new record attendance in the #Ecto channel, we had four ectophiles from four countries at the same time! :) Yngve has also put together a nice Bot (an automated IRC participant) which will provide the Ecto FAQ and other information about Happy to curious bystanders. It also means that the #Ecto channel will normally be sitting around, instead of just when one of us logs in. Hope to see more of you there soon! Tim ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 17:13:21 CDT From: Subject: Odd ends If D**2 actually does buy Kevin a beer, may I suggest something from a Bay Area microbrewery, if there is one. In other words, make it worth his while for going all the way out there just for a beer :-), by making it one he probably can't get at home. Personal to Vickie: _Ceterus Paribus_, verbalizing your dysphorias will probably leave you better off, in the aggregate, than not doing so. It's one of the functions that this list performs, in practice. On something more lighthearted: Has Happy ever considered trying to get on Letterman's new show? I finally stayed awake yesterday, and it seemed like great fun (the show, not the accumulated fatigue). Certainly, Happy matching her quick wit with DL would be fascinating to watch. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 00:51:48 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Ecto gathering Just after Tim left us another Ectophile from Canada joined us so that we still were 4 people from four countries. I just love the net. And something about the bot. It will as Tim stated keep the channel #ecto around as long as my own system is up and running. I'm going to implement it to auto-op everyone on the Ecto mailinglist who joins the channel (Should be finished very soon). Besides the info about Happy I will keep up a list of artist mentioned on Ecto and got info about. Soon I'll also include something that automatic sends the FAQ to someone requesting it. That's the plans I got right now... ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 16:39:05 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Odd ends Mitch "hops" in and says: > If D**2 actually does buy Kevin a beer, may I suggest something from a Bay > Area microbrewery, if there is one. In other words, make it worth his while > for going all the way out there just for a beer :-), by making it one he > probably can't get at home. > There are *tons* of microbreweries around here, including Emily, my sweetie, who makes a nice raspberry beer. As the Bruces once said, "We've come to the conclusion that your American beer is a bit like making love in a canoe. It's fucking close to water." D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 17:30:45 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: Where's Gaffa Central? I figure someone in Ecto would probably answer me faster than Vickie would, so can anyone tell me her address. I thought it was in the ecto-hostel directory, but the copy I saved off was the first one that came out, and it just has her e-mail info. (Don't be alarmed, it's for a tape, not a letter bomb or a surprise visit or anything.) Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 19:15 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Mitch Elrod Hello Ecto, and all the Ships at Sea: Susanne White, manager extraordanaire, has asked me to inform Ectophiles of all persuasions of the availability of Aural Gratification's latest release, Mitch Elrod's "Muse of Intent". "What's it like?" asked I. "Er, I'll have to get back to you on that; I can't adequately describe it with words," quoth she. "It's melodic, it rocks, it's a real band, it sounds great because Kevin produced it (and plays a few keyboards). It's got bright, intelligent, quirky lyrics, it's eclectic..." "I think you're doing a great job describing it!" "It's harder than Happy, it's adult alternative, it's jazzy - no, Kevin would kill me if I used the word jazz, it's not jazz but it's loose like that." Dear friends, those of you willing to support H & K's label and take a chance on Kevin's taste: Aural Gratification announces the release of Mitch Elrod's new album "Muse of Intent". It can be ordered from AG at their Bearsville address. They don't think they'll have the retail distribution Happy has for this album, but will try to get it out there. They ask any and all interested to order from AG direct. Sounds good to me. Talk to you all later; hope this makes it! Bob the disconnected ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 22:09 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: The Dam Bursts! Yezzir! So I send the Mitch Elrod post from Deepspace, and in return I am showered with no less than 103 pent-up ectograms! I'm Baaaack! Mail is once more bouncing into Deepspace, and I for one am grateful! Fortunately I get the digest over on Genie, so I had already read most of the mail, else I should still be reading now. I must say I prefer the immediacy of bouncemail to the journal, but at times when things go haywire, the journal is a wonderful thing. I archive all my journals twice a month, zip 'em and pop 'em on a floppy. Thus when Happy needed Dirk's address I was able to look it up (with Chris Boek's help!) Just wanted to mention that Susanne asked me for a quick one-page guide to joining the internet and ecto, which I faxed to her today. Perhaps we shall see our little domain growing stronger in the near future. Thanks to everyone for putting up with Deepspace's bouncing of bouncemail, and especially Mitch. I passed you post to the administrators of SAI and, well, here I am. Or rather here you all are. Nice to see you all again on my fuzzy blue background. (Genie is black background, but at least the letters are blue!) I take my leave, my leige! Your humble vassal, Robert the connected ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 22:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Champagne Jam (extended mix), 8/31/93 Hi! This is a double-show, since I filled in for the guy after me on Tuesday. Unfortunately there is a possibility this may also be my last show, since news about the station is that the non-student DJs are going to get shafted in the fall schedule. :P I'm being optimistic, but just in case, I played a lot of stuff I haven't played in a while, including a couple things I played on my very first radio show, 'way back in 1989. Whee. CHAMPAGNE JAM - EXTENDED MIX 88.1FM, WESU-Middletown Wesleyan University Middletown, CT Tuesday, August 31, 1993 7-11PM 10,000 MANIACS: "National Education Week" (Hope Chest) THE STORY: "So Much Mine" (The Angel In The House) WENDY MAHARRY: "Madman's Got It Made" (Wendy MaHarry) KRISTEN HALL: "Wish I May" (Fact And Fiction) HEIDI BERRY: "The Moon And The Sun" (Heidi Berry) KNOTS AND CROSSES: "Come Undone" (Curve Of The Earth) JOHN AND MARY: "Angels Of Stone" (The Weedkiller's Daughter) SUZANNE VEGA: "Rock In This Pocket" (99.9F) THE JULIANA HATFIELD THREE: "Feelin' Massachusetts" (Become What You Are) BAND OF SUSANS: "Trouble Spot" (Veil) TRIBE: "Sing To Neptune" (Sleeper) PSYCHOWELDERS: "VHVH" (Inertia) TORI AMOS: "Happy Phantom" (Little Earthquakes) MELISSA ETHERIDGE: "No Souvenirs" (Brave And Crazy) AIMEE MANN: "Put Me On Top" (Whatever) THE PRIMITIVES: "Crash" (Lovely) SINEAD O'CONNOR: "Mandinka" (The Lion And The Cobra) THE SUGARCUBES: "Motorcrash" (Life's Too Good) BJORK: "Aeroplane" (Debut) THE CRANBERRIES: "Linger" (Everybody's blah blah blah) THE MAGNETIC FIELDS: "100,000 Fireflies" (The Wayward Bus) JANE SIBERRY: "The Gospel According To Darkness" (When I Was A Boy) HAPPY RHODES: "Ashes To Ashes" (HR5) ANI DIFRANCO: "Anticipate" (Not So Soft) MARIA MCKEE: "My Lonely Sad Eyes" (You Gotta Sin To Get Saved) KIRSTY MACCOLL: "Tread Lightly" (Kirsty MacColl) PRAGUE SPRING: "A Fountain Of Tears" (A Garden Of Kisses) PRAGUE SPRING: "What Will Be" (A Handful Of Quietness) RAINBIRDS: "Jesus First!" (Call Me Easy, Say I'm Strong...) BEL CANTO: "Without You" (White-Out Conditions) BEL CANTO: "Unicorn" (Shimmering, Warm and Bright) BOOK OF LOVE: "Salve My Soul" (Lovebubble) PAMELA GOLDEN: "Normal Life" (Happens All The Time) BIG HAT: "Flowerbox" (Inamorata) DAVID SYLVIAN AND ROBERT FRIPP: "God's Monkey" (The First Day) LIZ PHAIR: "Girls! Girls! Girls!" (Exile In Guyville) THE MOON SEVEN TIMES: "My Medicine" (The Moon Seven Times) AREA: "Transmitter" (Radio Caroline) CRANES: "Golden" (Forever) SARAH MCLACHLAN: "Steaming" (Touch) THE GOLDEN PALOMINOS: "Thunder Cries" (Drunk With Passion) SYD STRAW: "Future 40's (String of Pearls)" (Surprise!) EURYTHMICS: "(My My) Baby's Gonna Cry" (Acoustic Sampler) SHEILA CHANDRA: "Roots And Wings" (Roots And Wings) LE MYSTERE DES VOIX BULGARES: "Bazradna Nevesta" (Vol. II) ZAP MAMA: "Guzophela" (Adventures In Afropea I) INGRID KARKLINS: "Visas manas sikas dziesmas" (A Darker Passion) OPIUM DEN: "Song For Nelson" (Diary Of A Drunken Sun) ECSTASY OF ST. THERESA: "fluidum" (fluidtrance centauri EP) CLANNAD: "An tuill" (Fuaim) JULEE CRUISE: "Falling" (Floating Into The Night) LAURIE FREELOVE: "White Hail" (Smells Like Truth) KATE BUSH: "Suspended In Gaffa" (The Dreaming) So there you have it. I was surprised to unearth the first Prague Spring album, which sounds exactly like their new one, but one interesting tidbit in the liner notes mentioned that Jodee James, the female singer, has a solo label out on the same microlabel in Metuchen. Methinks I may have to search for this when I'm in the area this weekend... I'm revising my description of her voice to Harriet Wheeler meets the female singer from The Beautiful South. Quite nice. The whole Prague Spring thing is too pretentious for words, but I wouldn't mind checking out her solo stuff. By the last half hour I was trying to keep myself awake, so of course I pulled out the Julee Cruise. Smart. I'm lucky I made it home alive! Oh- someone called during "Ashes To Ashes" to find out who it was and where she could get some, and she asked about Jane Siberry, too. :> Until (hopefully!) next time, Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)