Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #333 ecto, Number 333 Friday, 18 September 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: meeting (or not) in philly tonight Re: Tori in Boston Tori in Boston k&c in the city with wind Sonic blast Happy Birthday sTuFf Do we have to dig? :( *sigh* ======================================================================== Subject: Re: meeting (or not) in philly tonight From: "Mark C. Carroll" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 10:41:07 -0400 ->revision of plans: it doesn't look like anyone will be meeting ->at TGI Fridays at all! (unless anyone has read that message and doesn't ->read this one. eek) -> ->instead we'll all just find each other somehow at the show. Good. We couldn't possibly make it up there in time. And we also got lawn seats (we're poor, starving students!), so we want to get there early. We'll be picnicking on the lawn before the concert. Feel free to come looking for us; I'll be wearing my Ecto t-shirt, and I'll be with two other folks who'll probably be abusing me :-). ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 10:45:27 EDT From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Tori in Boston Tori will be at the Berkeley Performance Center on Sunday, 10/18. Tickets are available through Ticketmaster. Laura ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:22:32 EDT From: David N. Blank-Edelman Subject: Tori in Boston > Where and When? I don't want to miss out... October 18, Berklee Perfomance Center. Peace, dNb ======================================================================== Date: 17 Sep 92 11:25:01 EDT From: MJM Subject: k&c in the city with wind Vickie: Love-Hounds/Ectophiles/RDTers Klaus and Claudia from Wuppertal, Germany are visiting Chicago and to celebrate, there will be a gathering at Gaffa Central on Saturday (*this* Saturday) for anyone who wants to come and be immersed in *LOTS* of music, videos, conversation, cat fur, piles of junk (ok, so housekeeping isn't our strong point, but we promise to sweep...:-) ) plus popcorn and probably Chicago style pizza at some point. Oh, and MST3k and Ren & Stimpy from 6pm-8:30pm (Klaus & Claudia can't go back to Germany without a healthy dose of surreality, now can they?) So, anytime after 1:00pm, come to: Gaffa Central: I'll be there and am particularly looking forward to Ren and Stimpy (since I don't get cable). My friend in NYC, while I was there, let me watch (actually we were almost late for a wedding because he *insisted* on watching) R&S Sunday morning, and I thought it was great. Looking forward to meeting Comso and Cosmetic Vagabond too! See ya. ______________________________________________________________________ |--------------------------------.------------------------------------ | || mjm@zylab.mhs. /\/\ / /\/\ "Save My Elephant!" || || compuserve.com / / /_/ / / / "Save Meeeeeeeeee!" || |\_____________________________________________________________________/ \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Sonic blast Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:46:28 EDT Hi! WoW! I just finished listening to the new Nine Inch Nails EP 'Broken', which was world premiered last night at WFNX. Very intense stuff. Trent Reznor manages to scream out the angst and create a sonic environment to match it. I don't own pretty hate machine, but I liked the remixes on the Head like a hole CD-5. But this is something else!!! In other news, not much really, just wishing all you lucky folks who are going to the Philly concert a great time, and remember to post LOTS about the concert ASAP. Post *everything* about it! Angelos ======================================================================== From: drk@leland.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sonic blast Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 13:51:19 PDT Hi, Angleos writes: > WoW! I just finished listening to the new Nine Inch Nails EP 'Broken', which > was world premiered last night at WFNX. Very intense stuff. Trent Reznor > manages to scream out the angst and create a sonic environment to match it. > I don't own pretty hate machine, but I liked the remixes on the Head like a > hole CD-5. But this is something else!!! Definitely pick up "Pretty Hate Machine". Run, don't walk! I never listened to `industrial'-type music before NIN and Pretty Hate Machine just blew me away. Every track is quite good - no stinkers. The melodies are very catchy despite all the industrial-strength noize. I can't wait to pick up the new EP. - David. ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Sonic blast Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 17:26:26 EDT David writes re NIN: >The melodies are very catchy despite all the industrial-strength noize. >I can't wait to pick up the new EP. Exactly! Trent Reznor is supposedly a classically trained pianist, and has an ear for melody, which IMHO makes his stuff more approachable than the more hard core industrial stuff (which I am not at all familiar with and am not sure I want to find out about, after I spent $7 on the Skinny Puppy EP Chainsaw which I *really* hated). FYI the new EP includes the tracks: Pinon (52 second instrumental) Wish (Very strong, powerful song) Last (ditto) Help me I'm in hell (nice acoustic instrumental) Happiness in slavery (the single) Gave up (don't remember that one very well) Total time: 21 minutes. Oh, if only Happy added some grunge and thumping beats to her music... [sparking a flamefest, eh? :)] But she's pretty darn good the way she is now, I know!! :) :) Angelos ------- 'keep your hands on the wheel, don't turn around, THIS IS FOR REAL...' - PG ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 08:21:04 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: Happy Birthday Here's wishing a HAPPY Birthday to Chris Williams on 20th. September. Terry ======================================================================== Date: 18-SEP-1992 08:07:04.35 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: sTuFf Hi! To all of you lucky enough to be in the audience in Philadelphia tonight, I extend a heartfelt :P. I'm missing more concerts in the next three weeks, some by hours, than I care to think about! Tori is playing the Boathouse in Norfolk, VA tomorrow at 8PM- guess when my plane gets in there? 10. Concrete Blonde plays there on Sunday at 8PM. My plane leaves at 1. And then there's Tori in more other places than I care to think about... but tickets to see her at Town Hall in NYC on 9 October go on sale tomorrow at 9AM. That's one I'm not going to miss! (Jessica et al, I regret that I won't be able to make it to the show on the 11th- it's just too far for me to drive back to CT alone on a Sunday night, and besides I have another reason detailed below. I'm kicking myself and you'll probably want to kick me too if you can't sell the ticket, but sometimes my job just sucks the big one. Double :P.) Footah, wherefore art thou, anyway??? Valerie, did you get my note? If not yell, I've still got it on disk somewhere and an upload is just a few key punches away... And the new definition of surreal is taking the elevator in Fisk. I did it last night and almost died with the sheer oddity of it! It's a very nice elevator. (Sorry, all you non-Wesleyan types, but you'd have to have been there in our situation to understand that one.) On to other musical notes: Anyone in the Middletown, CT area should be sure to tune in to WESU 88.1 FM every Sunday from 1-3 PM for Champagne Jam, starting 26 September. Yes, I got my show back!!! I thought for sure I had missed my chance since the friend on the Bored who was supposed to let me know when the programming meeting was didn't, but I managed to get hold of the Program Director at the last minute. She couldn't give me a slot right off, but I went to the scheduling meeting last night and after an hour of wrangling with everyone else's schedule (everyone seemed to have been placed in the times they had expressly stated they couldn't do shows), an empty slot appeared right where I would have asked for a show had I been there to fill out a form. The Force is with me yet again... :) (Requests and suggestions always welcome- just send me e-mail and let me know. And the request line is (203) 344-7922. :) More musical bright spots: I'm listening to Pamela Golden right now. I have custody of woj's copy of _Happens All The Time_ while he's in Spain, and it's mighty good! The presence of various members of Peter Gabriel's entourage is very conspicuous on the album, which is amusing. And at points her voice has a distinct Siberrian quality to it that makes me wonder if that's what pricked Vickie's ears to it in the first place? :) Suzanne Vega's new one is wonderful. It made me laugh the first time I heard it- to think *this* is what she's come up with now! Valerie, it'll grow on you- maybe like fungus, but it will. Forget that it's the Suzanne Vega who did her entire debut album, and the going will be that much easier. I don't recall who was the first around here to say that this stuff is "techno", but whoever it was, you need to get your medication readjusted. This is Pop, pure and simple, but it's not your everyday sugary-sweet shallow Top-40 variety at all. That's what makes it so good. "Blood Makes Noise" is indeed about AIDS, if the reviewer in Rolling Stone can be believed (I think she's confirmed this herself, but I'm not sure where). As for "ninety-eight Fahrenheit degrees", I think it works. It definitely fits the meter, but I somehow think that's the way the phrase popped into her mind to begin with- I've come to expect weird perpendicular thinking from her, this just fits the pattern. Today during lunch I decided to swallow my bile and check out the Strawberries 500 feet down the road from the office. And I was *very* pleasantly surprised! The first test is, Do they have a separate section for Kate Bush? Yes. The second test is, Do they have anything interesting about? YES! Not only did I find a Cocteau Twins CD I didn't know existed (_Head Over Heels_), but they had a sampler of Icelandic bands put together by the Sugarcubes conspiracy (should I be kicking myself for not picking it up? Someone please advise!), various other things I would not have expected to see in a big chain like that at all, and a separate section for Jane Siberry! I can't find her stuff in the "alternative" stores around here half the time, so to see a heading for her, and not have her lumped in with the "S" mishmosh was a nice surprise. I don't know about the $69.99 price tag they had on Kate's video _The Single File_, though- I asked about it and the clueless clerk said he'd check on that. I'm guessing whoever wanted to hit $19.99 missed, or else it was a Japanese import and I didn't realize it (not). I also bought 10,000 Maniacs' _The Wishing Chair_ on CD- my cassette died a long time ago, and if I'm going to be back on at WESU I might as well have a means to start my show off with a scratch-free "Scorpio Rising". :) Thanks to woj I now have some cool bitmaps to use for Windows wallpaper at work, including the covers for Ecto and Rearmament, and the cover of _Little Earthquakes_. I had that up the other day, and it got some remarks- yesterday people seemed to like the Cloudbusting still, and today I sicced Ecto on them. Now they *know* I have an imbalance. ;) Hope y'all have fun at the Ecto-gathering in Chicago- wish I could be there! ============================================================================= Meredith Tarr m.tarr1@genie.geis.com America can't survive another four years... fight the idiocy on November 3rd ============================================================================= ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Do we have to dig? Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 09:34:10 EDT Hi, Reach into your computers and pull your posts out? Here's anxiously awaiting the myriad of posts describing the concert. Angelos ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Do we have to dig? From: "Mark C. Carroll" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 11:12:22 -0400 Well... I can't tell you much of anything about Happy in concert last night, because, y'see, I'm an idiot :-). We decided to take my girlfriends car to the concert, because it's a whole lot more comfortable for the poor guy in the back seat. So, we got to the man, popped the trunk (to get at our picnic dinner), and closed the door - only to realize that the electric locks had locked _all_ of the car doors, and the keys were inside, and the engine was still running! (My car has _nothing_ automatic - it's a completely stripped down Mitsubishi subcompact. I'm not used to things like automatic door locks that lock the entire car if you hit the wrong button!) So, after a wild goose chase to try to find either a copy with a jim, a working telephone to call AAA, or someone who could unlock a door, we finally found a working phone (45 minutes later - at 6:45). And then we waited for the locksmith to show up to get us into the car. He showed up _literally_ as Happy finished her last song. We got into the concert during the beginning of the first song of Jeff Gaines, the guy who followed Happy. So, for any Ecto folks who were feeling bad last night about missing Happy inn concert, rest easy that there's someone who was feeling a whole lot worse - standing outside, hearing intermittent echos of Happy, and feeling guilty that Jennifer and Kazi were missing there first chance to hear Happy because I was a hopeless scatterbrain. || Mark Craig Carroll: ||"If love remains || Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| Though everything is lost || Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || We will pay the price || carroll@udel.edu || But we will not count the cost" -Neil Peart ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 13:44:40 EDT From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu Subject: :( *sigh* I realize how awful Mark felt, but i'd almost say *he* was the lucky one to be spared how awful we who *did* see Happy's set felt. I admit that's a pretty strong thing to say. I also admit that Mark did miss some incredibly amazing moments. However, overall we felt just *horrible*, for Happy and Kevin, and the whole band. Let me explain from the beginning. Greg, Joe, Bob Brown, Charlie, Steve, and I arrived pretty early, at 6:30pm. We went inside (which is mostly outside:) and bought an Event Poster (it's kinda neat to see Happy's name on this professional commercial item) and some hot dogs (ick) and some beer (yum) (we treated ourselves to the jumbo hot dogs and heinekin because i found a $20 bill on the floor!!). Then we went to find our seats - Greg had very graciously offered to sit with Bob Brown, Charlie, and Steve, who had seats in the balcony - supposedly better than the terrace, which is where Joe and I had seats. The terrace is further away than the balcony, but not even *half* as high up, and is outside - on a day like yesterday, the occasional breeze was appreciated. We heard from the group in the balcony that it was pretty hot up there, and the sound wasn't really all that great. So anyway, we found our seats, and then I wandered around to see if i could identify where Happy would be after her performance, and just to look around in general. The security people at the Mann are *not* very nice. We did hear a report of one security person saying something nice and helpful to someone, but every other encounter with a security person wasn't entirely pelasant. And they were *very* strict abotu not letting you into a section you didn't have a ticket for. Somehow though, i found myself in the lower inside section compeltely by accident. I'd been waling over to meet greg and bob brown, but found i was *inside* the guards instead of outside. So i ran to the middle, where the sound and lighting guys were - they were *frantic* and didn't seem to have any clue what was going on. The lighting guy was asking if *anyone* knew hoe many people were in the first band, and how situated on stage. I said "yes, and i'll tell you". So I did. Then i noticed Pat Tessitore and said Hello, he said hi but seemed very rushed, I asked if Bob Leonard would be there at the sound booth during the show and he said no, he dind't tihnk so. Then all of a sudden it was 7pm and they were starting right on time, so I ran back to my seat. By the time i got to my seat, Happy had just come out on stage, the Mann was still less than 1/4 full, and people were milling about everywhere. Almost noone was p[aying any attention. She started speaking, but i've *no* idea what she said, the people 3 rows behind us (noone in between) were tlaking *VERY* loudly. It was so obnoxious, I said so a few times very loudly but they didn't notice, so Joe and I moved down (from the 5th to the second row, and more centered - our seats weren't bad). We got to our new seats just in time for the beginning of "Waking Up". The sound was *awful*. The mix was awful, there was feedback, and the band seemed unhappy, completely, and I coudl thoroughly understand! I don't tihnk they've had to deal with such adversity before! Feedback, yes :) (someone shoot bob leonard, is what i suggest :), but such terrible sound (_obviously_ no sound check at all) and such a *horribly* noticable lack of attention!!! It was awful! The second song was "Don't Want to Hear it". About 1/3 of the way through the song, something went very wrong with the sound. It sounded liek perhaps the bass hadn't been on at *all* during the first song, and was suddenly turned on, and *way* too loud. All we heard, from large speakers just a few feet above our heads and in front of us, was loud awful noise. The sound people managed to correct it but only at the very end of the song. Then Happy started getting set up with her accoustic. It seemed that only she would be playing - i was trying to guess what song it woudl be - i honeslty don't remember her doing a song at either of the previous shows that was entirely just her, though joe says he thinks she did and it seems completely plausible, i just can't tihnk what song :) Well, i had a long time to wonder, because her guitar wasn't making any sound at all!! (well of course it was, i mean, that we could hear). They spent quite a bit of time trying to hook it up, and Happy was very nice during that bit, apologizing to the audience, explaining that the song would be too flat without the guitar or she'd just start it anyway, offering to whoever was running things to just skip it and go on to the enxt song... well eventually they got a mike on the guitar. And the song she played was Feed the Fire! It sounded _wonderful_ (as an arrangement of the song, the sound itself was still not exactly great). Somewhere in the middle of the song, the line "i still remember the dream there" went by and i thoguht "eh??? that's not in the song". My brain was still so surprised that I didn't realize what she was doing 'til she got to the next verse and sang "if i only could, I'd make a deal with God", and I screamed pretty loud :) i couldn't help it at all, it just came out! The next verse had "I didn't mean to make you cry.. " It was really neat. I *really* *really* *really* hope we manage to get a tape of that. There were no recording devices allowed inside at all - Kevin had asked us not to tape the show, since they were getting a tape of it themselves. Assuming nothing went wrong with *that*, they have a recording. The 4th song was "possessed" which was very good of course, just dind't have very good sound. Then was "all things" which was least successful musically becuase of the sound - but very successfull vocally, the "mia-ia-io"s went over pretty well with the crowd. Finally it seemed like people were paying attention!!! So the band started the next song, our minds of course trying to figure out what it is.. My guess is "phobos" or "wrong century", when suddenly, they stopped. I couldn't figure out what was going on at all from where I was, but within seconds, they were all off the stage!!! It was just awful. Greg, Bob, Charlie, and Steve came down to our seats and we went down to the backstage entrance. The security guy of *course* could not be fooled by my charms :P :P and i coudln't get in. He suggested I write a note and he'd send it inside. I wrote "Happy, Kevin, Lenny," (we'd seen Lenny running around inside) "Please come let Jessica in!". We stood outside for quite a while - bored security people forcing usoff teh grass if we went on it :P. Occasionalyl we'd see a memeber of the band running by inside. Lenny came out and said he didn't tihnk there was anything he'd do, but he'd see.. suzanne came out and said she'd try.. Kevin came out and said he'd try. Finally, we were let in!! (7 of us, at that point. A woman we met in Philly at 21st Century Sound (she runs the rennaissance/annie haslam fan club, i forget her name) got in with us). There was a fairly small (and hot) room (that at least had soda and iced tea available :) with people milling about. There was someone shooting video with a very nice little camera. We got to talk with everyone, ray, martha, kelly, kevin, happy. They'd all changed clothes - i can't quite describe what happy was wearing on stage - bob or greg will i'm sure - it was black and very thin and kind of suit like :) She had changed into a *very* pretty black dress - long skirt, over her black suede boots which we've seen before). It was clear pretty quickly that they were not at all happy with everything that had gone on. Both Kevin and happy explained that when they had agreed to do this, they had been completely under the impression that it was to be 5 performances, of equal priority, promotion, etc.. It *had* been adverstised by WXPN as "A 5 Star Night". Unfortunately, once they had agreed to do the show, everything changed. It became a 10,000 Maniacs show, with 4 warmup bands. I did note that the tickets just say "10,000 Maniacs, WXPN/Action Aids Concert". Kevin said that the amount of stuff they had to deal with for preparing for this show set them back about a month on recording the new album. There's no way last night's experience comes close to having been worth it for them. We all felt really awful for them. Then suddenly, we were all kicked out from the inside room - the security people came up to me and said "who are you", I said "i'm with Happy Rhodes", he said "Her after show is over, you have to leave. The exits are over there and over there. Please leave immediately". he was actually a bit rude about it. So we gathered up and went outside. Kevin went with us and talked a bit more. mostly we just said goodbye at that point. He didn't tihnk they'd want to get together after everything, they were so beat and upset, they just wanted to get to their hotel and crash. We understood that completely! Just before we left and went back to the show, we met Anthony Kosky! I'm pretty sure I didn't know he was going to be there :) that was quite a pleasant surprise. We agreed to meet him after the show, and we all went back to our seats. Unfortunately, we had missed Marshall Crenshaw, Jeffrey Gaines, and Shawn Colvin. I'm really only sad about missing Shawn Colvin, I really was looking forward to seeing her. She came downstairs after her performance, while we were still inside. She *immediately* got on the telephone. She didn't get *off* the telephone until just as we were being ushered out. That was all a bit disappointing. I'd brought a CD to ask her to sign. We did cross paths as we were going out, and she was getting off the phone, but she didn't look very happy, and the security guy was a bit annoyed with me that i hadn't left already, so i didn't stop her. *sigh* So we got back to our seats in them iddle of "Live"s performance. They weren't compeltely awful - I really liked the guy's voice, at times it sounded really interesting, and i do want to hear how he uses it recorded - Bob Brown said it was very similar to just how he was live. Maybe Bob or Greg can describe their music better. The lead singer was pretty active, running all over the place, into the audience, on top of the speakers, he talked a a lot between (and during :) songs.. There were a large bunch of serious Live fans right in front of us, unfortunately they didn't help my impression of the band. One of the songs (has the line "what about my bank account" in it) i recognized, i'm sure i've heard it on WXPN. Live played for about an hour (happy played less than half an hour). It was a bit distressing. We amused ourselves during their performace by trying to see what the 4 red letters were on one of the buildings in the city. The view of the city from the outside seats of the Mann is *very* nice. I saw "P5F5", Joe saw "P___", but he thought, from ahving seen it before up close, that it was "PFFS". Greg said "PLATO"? He saw 5 letters :). Evnetually Bob Brown, Charlie, and Steve came down to our seats (greg had started off sitting with us in the cooler, almost better outside seats), and Bob verified for us that it says "PSFS", and is a bank. :) Finally 10,000 maniacs came on. I don't think i'll go into too much detail - i saw them in 1988, and the show then was definitely much much better. The sound, even for the only band that had had a sound check, wasn't great, and somehow the band didn't quite seem as comfortable as i've seen them be. It did turn out that they were playing not with their usual drummer, (who was hit by a car!!) but.. oops, i forget his name, i think he is bruce springsteen's drummer, and without one of the backup vocalists, who has the Flu. A bunch of the songs did sound pretty good, and were quite enjoyable. One of the new ones (which natalie described as "fast becoming a campus favorite across the northeast" or something like that) was pretty good. Unfortunately, they started late, and it was getting close to 12, and all of us were just exhausted! Bob Charlie and Steve had left about in the middle of the 10,000 Maniacs set, we decided to leave towards the end of it. I made a sign with "ANTHONY" in big green letters and left it where we were supposed to meet anthony - it explained that we had to go early, etc.. I hope he got the note!! Never mind, i just checked my email (i started writing this before reading anything) and he did get it. To answer his, and possibly your :) question, we heard everything up to the first encore - they started it while we were walking out, unfortuantely we were over to the side at that point and I couldn't even identify the song. So to sum it all up, it was a bit of a disappointing evening, although "feed the fire" was a wonderful highlight, and getting to see Happy and Kevin (and the band:) was very very nice. jessica ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)