Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #832 ecto, Number 832 Thursday, 28 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Ten reasons why the Jays won The rest of the Blackadder lyrics extra Kate cd's TRS - first impression mono A mini-klaus (Donaldson, Concrete, and Letterman)... Brain Salad Surgery Re: A mini-klaus (Donaldson, Concrete, and Letterman)... Even More album cover...a clarification/collaboration. PC and little boxes ... Aaargh Re: Life Among the Virii Re: present tense books political corrections Brni the modest That YES song.. Re: PC and little boxes ... Re: Even More album cover...a clarification/collaboration. Harlan Ellison... Re: present tense books ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Ten reasons why the Jays won Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:30:04 +0000 (GMT) I assume this will be familiar to those of you who watch Letterman, but I was so amused (ROFL to use the official net-speak) by it that I thought it deserved a wider circulation. It came via one of our internal company newsgroups. As a Canadian owned firm we take quite an interest in this sort of thing! :-) > Newsgroups: bnr.general > Path: bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bmerha64.bnr.ca!bmerh85!bmerh703!sunils > From: sunils@bmerh703.bnr.ca (Sunil Sanwalka) > Subject: Letterman top 10 reasons why Jays won WS > Message-ID: <1993Oct27.173641.8194@bmerh85.bnr.ca> > Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) > Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada > Distribution: bnr > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 17:36:41 GMT > Lines: 23 > > =========================================================== > Top Ten Reasons Canada Keeps Beating Us in the World Series > =========================================================== > > 10. French baseball chatter very disorienting > 9. U.S. players get sleepy after standing through two national anthems > 8. Special enzyme in Canadian bacon that turns players into game-winning > zombies > 7. American teams discouraged by Clinton's new RBI tax > 6. All our secret plays are being funneled to them by that weasel Paul > Shaffer > 5. Exchange rate makes Canadian runs worth more > 4. Stirring pre-game talks, which always end with "Win one for Lorne > Green" > 3. They don't bother to use actual Canadians > 2. Let's face it -- we're a bunch of "hosers" > 1. Those damn Mountie umpires P.S. being an ignorant limey, I don't get numbers 6 and 4. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: The rest of the Blackadder lyrics Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Greg, the first verse goes: The sound of hoofbeats 'cross the glade, Good sir, lock up your son and daughter, Beware the deadly flashing blade, Unless you want to end up shorter... Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 09:13:13 CDT From: Courtney Subject: extra Kate cd's Ilka: I am sorry that my message got all jumbled up somewhere.. when i posted that I had found extra Kate CD's in Canterbury, that was over a year ago, and they are a happy addition to my CD collection! I merely mentioned this to show how some people (the original owners of these CD'S) make mistakes....and to keep looking for that rare find..cuz you never know when you will stumble across something just WONDERFUL!! Sorry for the mix-up! Courtney ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 15:02:59 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: TRS - first impression Hi again, ***** SPOILER ***** I couldn't resist and went home for lunch where I listened to The Red Shoes. I'm not able to give a review after the first listen. All I can say is, that TRS is MUCH better than expected :-) It's everything but an easily accessible pop album, it's the pure KaTe. There are some of the best songs she ever made (The song of Solomon, Top of the city) and some of the worst songs (the Prince song is absolutely unnecessary). Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Prince only appear on one song, each. KaTe played guitar and bass on BSL, wow! That's all I can say for now. It's NOT disappointing. Dirk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ || \\\\\ || ///// | dkastens@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE || ))))) IRK || ((((( ASTENS | "Music's the way, the only way I know" || ///// || \\\\\ | Happy Rhodes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 09:20:39 CDT From: Courtney Subject: mono to define mono: in British terms..it is glandular fever. I know this intimately since i contracted "glandular fever/mono" whilst studying in Wales. Twas not Wales' fault...merely that i studied, played, and traveled around Europe so exhaustively that I made myself sick!!! However, the professors over there are MUCH more understanding of being sick, and the rest of my term was a breeze! Happy times are here again!!! Courtney ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 11:16:20 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: A mini-klaus (Donaldson, Concrete, and Letterman)... Hello again! Yea! I get to do a mini-klaus... :) Philip said: >I haven't read any of the Gap series, but I hear that provided you are >willing to ignore some horrendous physics, it is very good :) >(I hope to read it sometime in the future - I'll probably start it once >it's all finished) To tell you the truth, I never really pay much attention to the physics when I read SF, and I have a degree in Physics! :) I don't expect the physics to be correct, so I don't bother with it. The Gap series does have some great "pirate scum" characters, with some really dark and horrifying pasts. Plus the things that they do to each other are, shall we say, grotesque and brutal... Philip also said: |> I've read both the Thomas Covenant series, as well as Mordant's Need, and |> I feel thet the original _Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_ is the best of |> the three... (MN was simply tooo predictable) Erik replied: >I read the original Chronicles when they first came out, and just could not >stand the main character, which rather ruined it for me. If he'd changed in >some way to be more tolerable, I could have enjoyed it more as a growing >experience, but I came out of it disliking him as much as at the beginning. >Maybe I should read it again now that I'm almost twice the age that I first >did, but it's low on my priority list. Then woj said: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) sez: >>I read the original Chronicles when they first came out, and just could not >>stand the main character, which rather ruined it for me. >at the time i read the first trilogy, i couldn't stand covenant either. >in retrospect (like around the time _the wounded land_ came out), i felt >differently. covenant is the greatest anti-hero: he's a weinie, a weakling >and unwilling. it's great to read a series where the protagonist is so >annoying but also so intriguing since he defies the usual trend in fan- >tasy for the hero to be admirable, likeable, powerful and, well, heroic. >i can't say that i ever have the urge to go back and re-read them (well, >except for maybe _the one tree_ and _the wounded land_) but they are cer- >tainly great books nonetheless. The fact that Covenant was SUCH a weakling was what I found so appealing. There were plenty of times when I wanted to scream at him, but I came to respect his point of view. If I were in his shoes, I'm not so sure that I'd react much differently, especially when you figure his physical state each time. My favorite character by far is Mhoram, though I like Foamfollower quite a bit too. I must've read the two trilogies at least 4 times. Something about the tragedy of it all is appealing to me. Oh, for anyone who has read the second trilogy, have you ever looked at the words to The Police song "Wrapped Around Your Finger"? I don't think it was inspired by Covenant (I think it pre-dates "White Gold Wielder", though I can't remember now), but you sure can draw some parallels. I'd really like any thoughts about this, since it's been bugging me for about 10 years now. :) P.Cohen said: >To Sandoval (and all else interested): > Didn't know the Ectophiles were into Concrete Blonde, but the album is quite >nice. Good mixture of ballads and rockers. The title track is a real >haunting number that I could listen to over and over again. Which is nice, >because the album ends with a spanish version of it. I recommend this album >to anyone who's enjoyed their music in the past and recommend that those who >haven't heard this band before, give them a serious listen. Oh, there are some Concrete fans here on Ecto. You've got to love a band that has a female lead singer who is also the bassist. :) I too really like the new album, especially "Rain" and "Mexican Moon". Did you get the free CD of Dream 6, the "original" Concrete? It's stuff from 1983 (I first saw them as Concrete in 86), and I like it too. So, I ended up with 19 new Concrete songs! And less than a week for Kate! This is GREAT! :) Steve F. said: > 6. All our secret plays are being funneled to them by that weasel Paul > Shaffer [...] > 4. Stirring pre-game talks, which always end with "Win one for Lorne > Green" I accidentaly deleted the message, but Steve posted the Letterman list for why the Blue Jays won the World Series. He couldn't figure out these two lines. Well, both of them are kind of the same joke, I think. Paul Shaffer, Dave's bandleader, is Canadian, and I think Lorne Green was too. Green was the father in the TV show "Bonanza" many years ago, as well as the leader in "Battlestar Galactica", and many Alpo dog food commercials. :) Take care everyone, John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 11:30:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Brain Salad Surgery Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 18:43:56 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Famous artwork on album covers Hi folks, David Dixon asks the musical question: >one of the questions I'm writing involves albums with covers by >famous artists (eg. H. R. Giger's cover of _Brain Salad Surgery_ >by Cream, and the use of Hieronymous Bosch's "The Garden of Earthly >Delights" used on the cover of Dead Can Dance's _Spleen and Ideal_ >(or was it _The Serpent's Egg_?) ) Can any of you think of others? Uh, Dave? Doncha mean _Brain Salad Surgery_, uh, by Emerson Lake and Palmer??? H.R. Giger also did a cover for a Magma album, the name of which escapes me. (though I can find out from my friend). BTW the cover painting is truly grotesque. Dean (I always get the first names mixed up) is practically famous just for the artwork on the Yes albums..... Warhol did a Rolling Stones album cover (Sticky Fingers???). Dave Brubeck's _Time Further Out_ has a Joan Miro painting on the cover (If you need the name of the painting, I can find the LP at home). That's all I can think of right now In other news: Welcome to Diane and Laurel! .----------------------------------------------------------------------. ./| I'll get those hooks out of me | |/| And I'll take out the hooks that I sunk deep in your side. | |/| Kill that fear of emptiness, .----------------------| |/| that loneliness I hide. | Chris Sampson | |/| -PG "Washing of the Water" | chris@neuron.uchc.edu | |/`-----------------------------------------------`-----------------------' |///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// `------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: A mini-klaus (Donaldson, Concrete, and Letterman)... Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 15:40:11 +0000 (GMT) On Thu, 28 Oct 1993 at 11:16:20 -0500 (EST) SANDOVAL@stsci.edu wrote: > Steve F. said: > > > 6. All our secret plays are being funneled to them by that weasel Paul > > Shaffer > [...] > > 4. Stirring pre-game talks, which always end with "Win one for Lorne > > Green" > > I accidentaly deleted the message, but Steve posted the Letterman list > for why the Blue Jays won the World Series. He couldn't figure out these two > lines. Well, both of them are kind of the same joke, I think. Paul Shaffer, > Dave's bandleader, is Canadian, and I think Lorne Green was too. Green was > the father in the TV show "Bonanza" many years ago, as well as the leader > in "Battlestar Galactica", and many Alpo dog food commercials. :) Thanks for the info, John. I now see the point of both "reasons"! I think I might be excused for not recognising the name of Letterman's bandleader. The programme isn't even *shown* over here! As for Lorne Green, well I do vaguely remember "Bonanza" but that was more years ago than I think I care to admit. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Even More album cover...a clarification/collaboration. Oh, Hell, Whose post was it, anyway? Neal's???? He pointed out that the Candy-O album cover was by a famous guy....okay all you older-than-26-year-old-males (probably...)... Remember the guy who used to do the pictures after the centerfold in Playboy???? Vargas???? Yeah, that's it....Antonio Vargas (I'm not sure of the first name...)....He used to do....I mean, paint...."The Vargas Girl".....(Boy the political incorrectness is abounding....Playboy?.....Girl?......) BTW, I too, heard that the original titles of the Agatha Christie novel "And Then There Were None" were: "Ten Little Indians" (Confirmed), and..."Ten Little Niggers" (Not confirmed, but I think I saw it in a list of "Other Books by...." on the inside cover of one of my AC books at home......BTW, "the N word" means something else in England than it does in the U.S., not nicer, just different. As for PCness being the driving force, I'm not sure....A couple of AC titles were changed upon import...."What Mrs. Magilicuddy (sp?) Saw" was originally "The 5:15 (?) From Paddington", there were others, but I don't remember them. Chris Sampson chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== From: boek Subject: PC and little boxes ... Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:46:47 +0100 (MET) Just a short IMHO into this PC discussion. PC is a little box, that is to say a nice label to be used freely and as inaccurately as is felt appropriate by the user of the term. I dislike ALL little boxes. People are different, and while some groups of people may have similarities, we must remember that no two people are identical. On another note, I bought the new Crowded House album today. I like the sound of the latest single, so I look forward to listening to it. I also picked up the PG Kiss That Frog single. I heard it last week at Albert's place, and it sounds GOOD. The Red Shoes supposedly appears here 2 November, 8 days before PG plays in Dortmund. What a nice start to November that will be :) A belated thanks to brni for posting the crash report! I heard a little of it while being driven around the wacky city of Philadelphia, Seeing the fictional non fiction library, the burnt down building that's still up, and the view of the founder that you get arrested for if you try and photograph. (well almost ...) I also like the Thomas Covenant books, and have yet to read the Gap series, although I have the second and third volumes in hardback. I got them cheap after the paperbacks were released :). Unfortunatelly I forgot to do this for the first book. If anyone has a copy of the first Gap book in hardback (English Australian release) I will be happy to buy it off you :). If you didn't like a bad use of Physics in those books you will probably also not like a use of Physics by AA Attanasio in his books. I can't remember the name of the book where he provides a kind of weird explanation for spontaneous combustion. He also wrote a good book called 'Wyvern' that is set in the 17th century when the Dutch were in Indonesia, and there is a character called Boeck. It's better than that description sounds. One of the best books I've read. If you like main characters being members of minority groups, read Ben Elton's 'Gridlock'. I'll say no more ... except to say that it is very funny and was a very good follow up to his first book 'Stark'. Also read Stephen Fry's 'The Liar'. Not exactly what you'd call good catholic reading, but one of the best books I've read in a long time! I was very interested to hear Happy's comments on painting (Thanks Vickie for posting that !!) as I dabble a little in the oils myself. Unlike her, however, I have no aversion to landscapes, although I prefer painting people. I'm starting to get keyboard playing withdrawal symptoms - I knew I should'vve brought my DX-7 with me!!! Till later ... Chris. -- --_ /| \ ) Christopher Boek boek@hacktic.nl | \_| / PieterMolijnlaan 12, 2343 ES Oegstgeest +31 71 173984 | | /x ( <-- LEIDEN | \ == _ | "Hebban olla vogala nestas hugunnan hinase hic anda ===---/ |( thu" - Earliest surviving Germanic text (Gothic) -- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 01:18:30 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Aaargh Ever have one of those days? With my Sony CD player out of action with a tracking problem, I've had to use my laserdisc player to play CDs - a Pioneer CLD-3390. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the Sony, but it's functional during the 6 week Sony service turnaround. Today I finally got the new Cocteau Twins album, a nice UK import with picture label and everything. Great album, by the way. Just now I was playing the album and deciding to play something else, I pushed stop and ejected the disc. Out came the tray - but there was no disc on it! Incredulous, I without stopping to think, closed the tray again - and there was this horrible GRINDING sound. What the heck, it's out of warranty, so I'll open it. Off comes the cover, and there, sitting at a 45 degree angle on a PC board under the tray assembly, is my Cocteau Twins CD. I retrieve it, and, holding my breath, turn it over. It's a mess - huge gouges out of the plastic, two actual chips out of the edge, and the mother of all scratches in a perfect circle along tracks 9 and 10. Needless to say, it don't play. So I'd just like to say, before I go out to buy another copy tomorrow, #### #### #### ##### ##### #### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ###### ###### ###### ##### ##### ## ### ###### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ##### ## ## ## ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Life Among the Virii Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 4:57:54 PDT > Could somebody with an Anglo-American medical dictionary translate > "mono" for me??? Mononucleosis. So-called because the bugs responsible for it have single nuclei, apparently. It's an illness which leaves the afflicted person extremely tired and exhausted all the time, and which can involve sore throats, fevers, etc. Oral contact is a common vector, so I remember it having a certain notoriety as a child as the kissing disease. It's not in my Concise OED so I don't know what the English name, if any, is. Presumably it's not a condition limited strictly to North America. :) Anyone out there with a medical dictionary? I've never had it (far as I know) but I've heard on good authority that it can be a real bitch. It also has a habit of coming back when you're down and least wanting it. Net.hugs to the person who brought up this unhappy topic! - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 09:42:48 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: present tense books S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk writes: > On Wed, 27 Oct 93 at 17:43:41 EDT mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) wrote: > > 1. roger zelazny _creatures of light and darkness_ > > I second this recommendation of a most excellent book. One of > Zelazny's best. It is an excellent book (I loved the Agnostic's Prayer) but Zelazny's very best book is _Lord of Light_. Of his books that are based on mythology, this one is the most wonderful. I will also repeat my (and Doug Burks's) recommendation for Gene Wolfe's _The Book of The New Sun_ in four volumes: _The Shadow of the Torturer_, _The Claw of the Conciliator_, _The Sword of the Lictor_, and _The Citadel of the Autarch_. I could go on and on and on about how great these books are -- filled with wonder and strangeness and memorable characters and words you can only find in really good dictionaries. And if you don't like them, I'll think you have a brain defect or something. I loaned the first book to a friend some time ago. He was slow to get into it, but once he realized these were set in the very distant future rather than the middle ages from the small but telling hints lightly scattered through the book, he warmed up to the book immensely. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: political corrections WARNING: If taken out of context or read with a chip on one's shoulder, the following will seem like "___________ bashing" (fill in your favorite disadvantaged group. I have no agenda. Nor do I have a tolerance for answering poorly founded disagreements. I will field any disagreements sent to me via email. I can't guarantee prompt response to digest posted comments, due to irregular use of my account, but I will try. I'm wasting (not) alot of my day respoding to the ectos digests, though..... :) Woj (or do you prefer woj), thanks for reminding me....The first (billion) time(s) I heard the term "politically correct" (as in "...not politically correct...", or its sister...brother....sibling term, "polictially INcorrect" (as in "___________ jokes are strictly P I")) it was spoken by a former friend who would best(?) be described (WARNING: joke coming) as a humorless, liberal, radical, environmental, feminist, lesbian, tree hugger....... The humorless part is my own doing....the rest, she'd be proud to be called...except that tree-hugger implies derision from the speaker..... ANYWAY, it was used, in earnest, by the sort of political entity that "believes" in both free speech AND censorship; that is to say, a hypocrite...Now surely, to label anyone as an idea (if hypocrisy can be called an idea) is to "kill" them (ref. some philosopher, Kant? Any help?), but I can say that I was/am convinced that she possessed hypocritical behaviors (as, I admit, we all do....it's just that she spouted hers at the slightest encouragement). Now, my major gripe with the term and the ideas there ensconced (we're talking about PC, now) is with the presumption that some part of society (ANY...ONE...part, that is) can start dictating (and I DO mean dictating) how a person should behave....let me finish....to the point of telling him/her how to refer to another human being, and what he or she SHOULD find funny or offensive....Taken to the reductum ad absurdio (sp?), the daughters of the confederacy will soon be a "protected" group, and Civil War jokes will be P.I. I agree with the Supreme Court (long ago) when it published the opinion of (Oh, shit, who said it?) and protected the right to free speech up the point of shouting "fire" in a crowded movie house (Or was that "MOVIE!" in a crowded firehouse????). Now, don't for a minute, believe that I don't have my own preferences for how people should behave, or that I kid myself on that score. It's just that I recognize the narrowness of my point of view...it's like the abortion questions...there are two...one of which is rhetorical, the other of which is political. Are you against the practice of abortion? (Rhetorical. *I* don't like the color chartreuse (apologies to all chartreuse-colored ectophiles) but it's rhetorical. Do you think abortions should be illegal? (Political, and frankly the actual question being argued over, whether or not members of the one side are aware of what they're arguing about....Example, I have a coworker who once exclaimed "Yes!" when I mentioned something about a "right-to-life" (sign me up for the anti-euphemism league) "victory" (barf!)....When I questioned her further, however, I found out that she a) Was against abortions, but b) She didn't think they should be illegal, just that "people shouldn't have them".) Count me out for political correctness (not as meant by the conservative dig....If a conservative is bothered by me, then I'm happy). I don't hurl racial epithets because I don't like to, and I don't want any hurled my way...it's a waste of time, and it's not even nice. I don't refrain from these "vices" because Tipper Gore formed the PMRC. In certain circles of friends, I will use "nasty" language, and my intent will be clear. With those who don't understand my particular/peculiar sense of humor or outrage, I will refrain from using "artist" metaphors. So to sum up, and to clarify (ironically, after reading the preceding ramblings); I hate the use of the term Politically Correct enough, when it's used in earnest, let alone when Bob Dole (my condolences to all Kansans out there) thinks he's scoring image points when he smirks after using it to refer to liberals. BTW, I think Rush Limbaugh is a verbally-excessive, nutritionally over-advantaged, melanin-deficited......dork! Just 'cause you disagree with someone who's wrong, doesn't make you right. Thank you, and good night. PS- For a better/funnier treatment of this topic, refer to George Carlin's "What am I doing in New Jersey" (Yeah, I know, NJ jokes aren't nice) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Brni the modest brni, Sorry to assume too much in the way of your recuperation. I hope the healing accelerates. Well, let me be the first to clarify what I meant when I suggested editing. I agree that it could amount to self-censorship, but that's not the sort of editing I meant. I meant merely re-reading for clarity/intent...There are numerous examples of one who has meant one thing, but used a slightly incorrect word and, thereby, said, something entirely different...I refer you all to Hiakawa's "On language....Or is it On Language and Thought???? I'll have to check the cover....or at least to Anguished English. If, however, I were to capitulate (okay, I will) I would have to agree with brni, it is better to be slightly careless and more free with your views, than it is to be so correct as to compromise your communication. Chris Sampson ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: That YES song.. Steve Fagg, The YES song referred to in the HR (tribute) version of "Feed The Fire" is "Long Distance Runaround".... I still remember the _______there I still remember the time we said, good bye, Did we really tell lies,...... Chris Sampson ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: PC and little boxes ... Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:27:32 +0000 (GMT) On Thu, 28 Oct 1993 at 16:46:47 +0100 (MET) boek wrote: > If you like main characters being members of minority groups, > read Ben Elton's 'Gridlock'. I'll say no more ... except to say > that it is very funny and was a very good follow up to his > first book 'Stark'. Also read Stephen Fry's 'The Liar'. Not > exactly what you'd call good catholic reading, but one of the best > books I've read in a long time! Elton has a new book out, sorry I didn't catch the title, dealing with similar themes to "Stark". The text of his stage play "Gasping" is also available and deals with the privatisation of air. "Stark" is to be made into a film with Elton playing the lead character. This information comes via a friend who is a fan of Elton. Personally, although I agree with almost everything he's saying, I find his laboured hectoring presentation style unbearable. Chacun a son gout! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Even More album cover...a clarification/collaboration. Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:18:38 +0000 (GMT) On Thu, 28 Oct 1993 at 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Chris Sampson wrote: > ......BTW, "the N word" means something else in England than it does in > the U.S., not nicer, just different. As an amateur student of US/UK cultural differences this has of course piqued my interest. In the UK, as far as I'm aware, "nigger" is used as a derogatory term for a "person of colour", actually quite an old-fashioned one these days. I'd not been aware from reading US books and watching US TV programmes and films that the word is used with a different meaning over there. I've clearly been missing some possibly significant nuance. Do please enlighten me! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 13:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Harlan Ellison... is a very good author of Sf and some non-SF. Chris Sampson ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: present tense books Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 17:19:13 +0000 (GMT) On Thu, 28 Oct 93 at 09:42:48 PDT stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) wrote: > S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk writes: > > On Wed, 27 Oct 93 at 17:43:41 EDT mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) wrote: > > > 1. roger zelazny _creatures of light and darkness_ > > > > I second this recommendation of a most excellent book. One of > > Zelazny's best. > > It is an excellent book (I loved the Agnostic's Prayer) but > Zelazny's very best book is _Lord of Light_. Of his books that > are based on mythology, this one is the most wonderful. Can't argue with that assessment! I really must re-read both books sometime soon. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)