Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #823 ecto, Number 823 Friday, 22 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* strange... Give Peas a Chance! Welcome to the Church of The Dancing Dead...i.e. DCD does Atlanta car accidents All apologies Album cover art et al Re: Give Peas a Chance! bananas eh eh eh eh eh ka ka ka ka ka ka ka ka tititititititititit oh oh oh oh oh oh oh Re: Famous artwork on album covers PC/digital meltdown a wack at explaining Summer ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:20:18 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: strange... oddly enough, i just got a spat of messages that i read 2 days ago. deja vous? or something more? you be the judge... brni ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: strange... Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:44:29 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 22 Oct 93 at 11:20:18 EDT mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) wrote: > oddly enough, i just got a spat of messages that i read 2 days ago. > deja vous? or something more? you be the judge... Looks like it's breaking out all over. They showed up here too. I was assuming it was just a little local difficulty til brni mentioned he'd been on the recieving end too. Perhaps Ecto now goes in for re-runs (or repeats as we call them in this part of the world). Does this mean that the authors concerned qualify for repeat fees? :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: 22 Oct 93 11:42:09 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Give Peas a Chance! Jeffy Burkopulates: |actually part of the vast amusement park known as Chicagoland (where they |hell did they come up with that nickname anyway?) Because it would be You hit the figurative nail right on the head, Jeff. The first time I heard that ______centric term (:-) I did a double take, then I doubled over, then I doubled my wager. I sort of guessed what it was, but it sounded so bigheaded that I played naive and said "what's chicagoland" and even after they explained it to me 5 times, I was still in serious denial. But now that I've lived in [expletive-deleted] for > 3 annum, I'll say I've adjusted and can sometimes even be caught uttering those nonsense syllables backwards in my sleep. S C A R Y ! Boo. Uli ulyssizes: |didn't want to throw dust into the wound again. Sorry again. I won't |say anything that stupid again, except if I am stupid again. Peace? OK, stupid. :-) Actually I make it a point to never hold grudges on the net (and I really try to apply that to real life too, though it's just a trifle harder to not hate someone you've met... :-) esp. because words are so often frayed. The reason I got hot under the collar about this one is because it was the second or third time I was misunderstood on the same subject and I thought I'd explained it nicely and politely the first times. But I love you all **BIG** **SLOPPY** **KISS** to all ectophiles. I even love Jorn. Hi Jorn! (I think we're spending too much time hugging and not enough time kissing... lips can be so sensual and hey, everybody's got 'em...) -boyiminaverysillymoodtodaybutlookingforwardtoseeingavisitingphilewhowillp robablymoveherein2monthslikeyouallshouldyaymjm ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:06:12 CST From: kiri Subject: Welcome to the Church of The Dancing Dead...i.e. DCD does Atlanta Hi folx, Just returned from the DCD concert in Atlanta. Court and I arrived early to watch the spoofed up wonderful crowd gather round the Roxy. Us old goths had a good chuckle over the baby-goths, and anti-goths that were coming in in droves. I was a little apprehensive that these baby-goths wouldn't be as appreciative as an older audience, but I was wonderfully surprised. DCD started a bit late, but it was all worth it as they poured their hearts and souls out for 2 full hours. As Lisa, dressed in a virginal white priestess gown, stepped up to the pulpit (yes a real pulpit!) we were instantly transported to the church of the dancing dead. We were in seventh heaven sitting only four rows from the wonderment that came out of that womans mouth. Brendan was in stark contrast, dressed in a striped muslin shirt, and sweat-pants it honestly looked like he stepped out of bed on their bus, walked across the alley, and plopped himself down on stage directly in front of us. The concert itself was magical. They were well worth every penny spent to get to the concert, and much much more. We didn't even make half the trip that the two women that were sitting next to us made. They flew themselves up from Orlando! ( and one of the woman nearly orgasmed in delight when Lisa came on stage :) ). I can't tell anyone the experience of the concert, it was a mind orgasm. It was emotionally powerful. I had goosebumps 1 hr 50 mins out of the two hours, and spent the other ten minutes mesmerized and swaying like a pentacostal in the throes of a 'vision.' It was absolutely fascinating watching Lisa's face, and her expressions. The main percussionist was a good laugh. He's an absolutely brilliant percussionist, he just looks and plays like a caveman. :) I think all of you who are going to the concert as it travels across the country are going to enjoy it....and hopefully experience the magic we found in it. A couple questions for those instrumentphiles...... What is the instrument that Lisa plays? It's a stringed instrument, and is played with wooden hammers. I've seen a smaller version i believe, but cannot remember the name of it for the life of me. Also Brendan plays this fantastic instrument that produces a orchestral (violin/viola/cello etc) vibrato, it is hand cranked. Does anyone know what this is called, i would love to get my hands on one?! :) kiri ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Welcome to the Church of The Dancing Dead...i.e. DCD does Atlanta Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 17:41:43 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 22 Oct 93 at 11:06:12 CST kiri wrote: > What is the instrument that Lisa plays? It's a stringed instrument, and > is played with wooden hammers. I've seen a smaller version i believe, > but cannot remember the name of it for the life of me. Would this be a hammer dulcimer by any chance? I know nothing about Dead Can Dance, so I'm just going by kiri's description. > Also Brendan plays this fantastic instrument that produces a orchestral > (violin/viola/cello etc) vibrato, it is hand cranked. Does anyone > know what this is called, i would love to get my hands on one?! :) Subject to the same proviso, this sounds to me like it might be a hurdy-gurdy. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 9:43:36 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Welcome to the Church of The Dancing Dead...i.e. DCD does >A couple questions for those instrumentphiles...... >What is the instrument that Lisa plays? It's a stringed instrument, and >is played with wooden hammers. I've seen a smaller version i believe, >but cannot remember the name of it for the life of me. I would say Hammered Dulcimer, but I'll bet it's actually another instrument, possibly the cembalom (sp). I think it's also played on the first two Alan Parsons albums. >Also Brendan plays this fantastic instrument that produces a orchestral >(violin/viola/cello etc) vibrato, it is hand cranked. Does anyone >know what this is called, i would love to get my hands on one?! :) Probably the hurdy-gurdy. If you find two, send me one. Oh, and if anybody has a cheap harmonium, I'll take it as well. -- John ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:32:04 CST From: kiri Subject: car accidents Well i'm happy to report that my mom is doing very well, nearly a year after her accident. She was driving home from my graduation from college fell asleep at the wheel, and the car rolled over. Fortunately my grandmother and nonnie (both over 85 yrs old) were not hurt in the accident, apart from the odd bruse here and there. My mother on the other hand sustained severe injuries...she had a fracture in her C2 vertebrate, some broken ribs, and her left upper arm. She was extremely lucky though. She was in halo traction for 3 months for her neck, went through extensive physiotherapy the month she was in hospital, to learn how to walk with the halo and for her arm which like Brni had nearly pierced the skin. She sustained no paralysis which was a miracle, had the vertebrate fractured just a little more she could have been a quadraplegic at best. She is fully recovered now though, it was an awful experience. She was in rehab for her arm for 6 months or so, gaining back mobility very slowly. Now she finds that that arm doesn't bother her at all, but the opposite one does, probably because she used it for everything, and now doesn't use it as much. btw i just want to thank those ectophiles who helped me get in contact with ppl, and supported me while I was living in hotels in buffalo for that month.... Thanks! kiir ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 10:36:08 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: All apologies Hi, Uli writes quoting Vickie: >> It's been bothering me, the flak that Mike's gotten in this thread. I >> think Mike was misunderstood to begin with (especially by Angelos, but >> that's taken care of) and this doesn't help any. >I apologize that I didn't read Mike's sentences too good. I somehow >got the impression that he said something else. Well, I think the flak from Vickie was directed to me, and I think it's been sorted out now. I think it's my turn to apologize in public for being a bit *too* outspoken in that thread. As brni said: >when all parties to a discussion can do this, a lot more real progress >can be made toward understanding, self-improvement, and the improvement >of the world. So, on to more important and Happy topics: Why is 'Summer' called 'Summer' and not 'Fall' when the whole song evokes autumn-like images (at least to me), especially the first verse? I keep expecting to hear 'the wind that rushes through those leaves'... Have I mentioned how good this song is recently? :) Angelos ======================================================================== From: Aeren Hawkins Subject: Album cover art et al Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 13:02:58 -0500 (CDT) Don't remember who mentioned Keith Haring, but he did the art for the A Very Special Christmas benefit album. I think there were actually two, and he did the covers for both, but you'll want to check that. kiri - my mom had a halo for a while, too. She insists it left a dent in the side of her head, but her doctor claims it was there all along. She's still in rehab, but she's getting better. Mitch - Um, can you say PC is a social movement, since the term is really only used as an epithet? Does anyone define themselves as pro-PC? Neil - No, albums skip with a nice sort of sound. cds skip and sound like...well, they sound _weird_. Aeren "In a press conference today, Mayor Vickie Mapes announced that henceforth, CSO would be the Chicago Stereo Orchestra. Local musicians have called for a work slow-down in protest. Film at 10." ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: Re: Give Peas a Chance! > But I love you all **BIG** **SLOPPY** **KISS** to all ectophiles. Ooo! I love big sloppy kisses, and I believe that everyone should give and get lots of 'em. Your post made my day! > I even love Jorn. Hi Jorn! Where is Jorn? I miss him. > (I think we're spending too much time hugging and not enough time > kissing... lips can be so sensual and hey, everybody's got 'em...) Agreed, but if I can't get net.smooches, sloppy or otherwise, then I don't think I'm settling for less with net.hugs. :) Holly ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:34:39 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: bananas I got home last night and was kicking myself that I didn't come up with a really obvious piece of album cover art, and it would surely be posted by today, but wait, it's not here. What about The Velvet Underground & Nico album with the Warhol banana? Of my slew of recent purchases, I've listened to Roseanne Cash' The Wheel and Meryn Caddel(?) Angel FOod for Thought, both wonderful. The RC album is another subtle and beautiful album, and I wouldn't really consider her country at all, in case that is scaring anyone away. It's got appearances by Bruce Cockburn, Patty Larkin, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Mark Cohn, and probably some more. The MC album is old news, and actually I bought it from recommendations here, but I loved it. It's 35 minutes long, and that's how late I was to work yesterday 8) Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:37:40 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: eh eh eh eh eh ka ka ka ka ka ka ka ka tititititititititit oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh Aeren's >>Neil - No, albums skip with a nice sort of sound. cds skip >>and sound like...well, they sound _weird_. Seriously skipping CD's sound like a dance re-mix to me. Another Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:31:59 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: Famous artwork on album covers Just a note: I saw several people point out that _Brain Salad Surgery_ is by ELP, but I haven't seen anyone note that the Dead Can Dance album with the Bosch cover is _Aion_, not _Spleen and Ideal_. Do you count pop artists as famous? If so, Roger Dean *became* famous for his work on the Yes album covers. As far as famous works go, I've seen many pastiches, but few albums using the originals. In pop music, that is; many classical albums use classic paintings for cover art. Erik whose knowlege of music exceeds his knowlege of art. ___________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe any return address KLA Instruments Corp. rumors. The one and only True San Jose, CA Address is e_johnso@kla.com. Got the anti-Christ in the kitchen yelling at me again... TA ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:59:20 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Famous artwork on album covers > Just a note: I saw several people point out that _Brain Salad Surgery_ is > by ELP, but I haven't seen anyone note that the Dead Can Dance album with > the Bosch cover is _Aion_, not _Spleen and Ideal_. Bleagh! I've *got* to have a talk with my memory banks someday... In any case, I just thought of another one: Matthew Helnwein's famous cover of a Scorpions album (_Blackout_ I think).. you know, the guy with the forks in his eyes screaming, shattering glass. I recently looked at a coffee table book of some of Helnwein's other works.. pretty disturbing stuff. D^2 s ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 15:49:44 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: PC/digital meltdown AAARRRGGHHHHHH!!!!! NOT HERE TOO!!!!!! > >Mitch - Um, can you say PC is a social movement, since the term >is really only used as an epithet? Does anyone define themselves as >pro-PC? political correctness is not a social movement. it is an action, or a failure thereof. to be politically correct means that you go along with social mores that you do not hold yourself, simply because they are social mores, that is to say, because it is politic to do so. this is not something new. it has been going on a long time, ever since there has been one dominant morality or another. in the 50's it was politically correct to join the communist witch-hunt. it was politically incorrect to be a communist. in the 80's the same was true. in the 90's, it is politically correct to bash feminists, liberals and radicals by calling them PC, and politically incorrect to be politically correct. that, i believe, is something we can almost legitimately call "the postmodern condition." let it be known that i *hate hate hate* the way people throw that term around. it is being used the same way that communist is used in this country: if a person is a communist, or has been simply *called* a communist, then nothing that they say is right, and we don't have to bother actually listening to what they say to know they are wrong. likewise with this whole PC name-calling bullshit. >Neil - No, albums skip with a nice sort of sound. cds skip >and sound like...well, they sound _weird_. > actually, my albums go . the cd's go into "digital meltdown." if they had been invented earlier, george lucas would undoubtedly used them for his _star wars_ sound effects. i don't know about you folk, but back when i first started buying cd's i would end up returning almost half of them because of defects. the manufacturing technology has improved drastically in the past 10 years. >Aeren brni ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 13:15:46 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: a wack at explaining Summer Angelos made mention of Summer and it's "autumn-like" images, and I just had to remark. The first time I listened to Summer I thought the line was '...the wind that rushes through those leaves...' But now, I'm going to throw some imagery at you == Take Cover! Troy's doing poetic interpretation (quick, hide the children!) The scene is: unrequited love (pretty obvious) the reason: fear of rejection the setting: Summer as in 'a summer romance???" gad, don't you people remember all of those Shakespearean Sonnets? Opps, sorry I forget that not everybody was TORTURED by having an English Poetry Teacher for a mother. :-) ************************** Troy J. Shadbolt tjshadb@ecto.CA.sandia.gov ************************** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. 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