Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #815 ecto, Number 815 Wednesday, 20 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* re: Happyvangelising Car accidents aren't what they're cracked up to be... The "Raw" Interview :) Julia Fordham Happy mentioned in German newsgroup de.rec.music.misc!!! Sarah T's Re: Kiss that frog The complex made understandable Jane S. PC and crashes Catstuff ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: re: Happyvangelising Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 13:17:42 +0100 (BST) Hi Steve! In a message which I somehow managed to delete before replying (I *HATE* Unix) you said you'd been given some Julia Fordham but wasn't yet too impressed (or words to approximately that effect). Has time made any difference in your impressions? I'd encourage you to give her work some time. What albums were you given? I like her music very much (though I wouldn't class her in the same league as KaTe & Jane & Happy), for me it's definately late night, laid back, low light music. Of her three-and-a-half albums my favourite by far is "Porcelain". At times she reminds me of a far less raw and direct version of Tori in her choice of subject matter. Her delivery is superficially smooth and sophisticated but (IMO) the emotions are real enough. Anyone else on the list a fan? Anybody seen her live?? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 13:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Craven Subject: Car accidents aren't what they're cracked up to be... brni: I don't know if it was your intent... and it probably wasn't... but I found myself giggling at certain parts of your story about your car accident. Mainly at the behavior of the police and hospital personnel. Maybe I'm just too used to people making light of some pretty horrible things that really happen. But, after hearing that, I'm really REALLY glad that you're all right and that you weren't seriously hurt. Oh, I know... you were pretty seriously hurt. But... it could've been worse. And that's what I'm happy about. That it wasn't. [[[[[*HUGS*]]]]] I've really never been seriously hurt before. Ever. I've NEVER had surgery. I've never been in an accident. I've always been incredibly fortunate. Something's always saved me. Like when I was a little kid, I remember falling out of a pretty tall tree, head-first. The inside of my knees caught the back of a tree branch when my head was about a foot from the ground. And, just yesterday, a light exploded and a lot of stuff was burnt severely. I was right next to it and, if there hadn't been one of those photographer's umbrellas there, I might've gotten singed really badly along with my computer. So... I'd say I've been fortunate, health-wise. Now I just wish I could say the same about my emotions! ;) The worst part of it all is that I haven't been able to write any good poetry about that. It's all too complex in my head to put into words. So I write about other people and things. :) Now that I've rambled long enough... I've got a question. The only Happy tunes I've heard are: Warpaint, Possessed, Oh The Drears, Poetic Justice, Project 499, I'm Going Back, Look For The Child, and Under and Over the Brink. Someone else recorded them for me, so I don't even know what albums they're from. But... I'd say my favorites are Under and Over the Brink, Look For The Child, Warpaint, and Possessed. From that, what would everyone recommend I go for next? :) Thanks! :) ********************************************************************* * Rob Craven | The leather cracks * * cs210rfc@icsun.sunnet.ithaca.edu | And the pages crumble to dust * * rcraven1@ithaca.edu | Knotted threads untie and fall * * ---------------------------------- Like strands of time * *"Everybody's got something to hide| Cut from the loom, * * Except for me and my monkey..." | Wispy and fragile on the wind, * * | Burning as they touch ground, * * -The Beatles | Lost forever. * * | -Me * ********************************************************************* ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Craven Subject: The "Raw" Interview :) Vickie: Thanks for posting that! It brightened my day! :) :) :) It was a really interesting interview, actually. And I REALLY did try not to laugh too hard, but I just couldn't help myself... ;) [[[[[*HUGS*]]]]] ********************************************************************* * Rob Craven | The leather cracks * * cs210rfc@icsun.sunnet.ithaca.edu | And the pages crumble to dust * * rcraven1@ithaca.edu | Knotted threads untie and fall * * ---------------------------------- Like strands of time * *"Everybody's got something to hide| Cut from the loom, * * Except for me and my monkey..." | Wispy and fragile on the wind, * * | Burning as they touch ground, * * -The Beatles | Lost forever. * * | -Me * ********************************************************************* ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Julia Fordham In regards to Julia, Steve Fagg says: >I like her music very much (though I wouldn't class her in the same league as >KaTe & Jane & Happy)....Of her three-and-a-half albums my favourite by far >is "Porcelain"....Anyone else on the list a fan? Anybody seen her live?? I also love "Porcelain". It's one of my favorite mellow albums. "Genius", "Towerblock" and "Manhattan Skyline" are particular favorites. But why do you say "three-and-a-half albums? As far as I know, there were only "Julia Fordham", "Porcelain" and "Swept". What am I missing? Sorry, never saw her in concert. -Sam ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 21:40 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Happy mentioned in German newsgroup de.rec.music.misc!!! Hi all, I didn't believe my eyes when I saw the subject Wo gibt es was von den "Happy Rhodes"? on the German newsgroup de.rec.music.misc. Andreas Elvers was asking for information on how to obtain the CDs. He was unable to find it in any shop and did only find them in the Berlin gopher CD catalog. (Thanks to whomever did put them there!) Of course I am right now writing a small German version of the FAQ and I will post it into de.rec.music.misc as well as I'll write it via email to Andreas. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 12:27:58 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Sarah T's Klaus writes: > I'd like to turn your attention from Jane Siberry T-Shirts to > Sarah McLachlan T's, as I'm thinking about treating myself to > one of them. The Nettwerk catalogue lists: Doodles, Solace & > Medusa, and I was wondering if someone has an idea what they > look like. and Br!an responds: >I've got the 'Medusa' shirt, that I got at her concert. It's >a white shirt with a more-or-less blue print of a fairly >hideous female hag drawn by Sarah herself. It's got >the letters S-O-L-A-C-E in pseudo-illuminated blocks around >the medusa. I got Sarah to sign mine! ;) >I like it a lot but I get a *lot* of strange looks from people. I have a version of that T shirt in black, with a drawing of a sea horse on the back and a handwritten Sarah Mc Lachlan under it. This is one of the best quality concert T's I have ever bought. I've washed it *many* times and it hasn't shrink or lost any of its features [Tori Amos should be given one of those to see what concert T's *SHOULD* be like :-)]. It's one of my favourite T-shirts. I also get strange looks occasionally, but not as many as from the Ecto T ;-) Go for it Klaus! Looking forward to new Sarah!! How does one get a Nettwerk catalog?? I might have to mail order the new album, as I don't think I can wait til January. Angelos 'Stranded starfish have no place to hide' ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 21:04:07 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: Kiss that frog Angelos kyrlidises: >Just wondering if anybody in Europe has picked up the PG CD singles for >'Kiss that frog'. I am asking because they cost *way* too much here to >make buying them worthwhile. I am particularly interested in the >remade/remixed Digging in the dirt track. Anybody willing to describe >what it sounds like? The 'Rich E mix' (remixed by Richard Evans) of "Digging in the dirt" is very nice, I think. Some new bits of interesting lyrics were added, and some of the more colourful sounds are more prominent in the mix. It is still a nice smooth flowing song, and is probably worth the price of the disc. I'm not too crazy about the 'Mindblender mix' (remixed by William Orbit) of "Kiss That Frog". Lots of neat sound effects, but not much of a song, really. Albert P.S. I don't believe in time. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 15:24:04 CDT From: Gritto spelled sideways Subject: The complex made understandable Vickie puts the question: >Who's John Kruk? For the uninitiated, he's the first baseman for the Phillies, an overweight and rumpled free-spirit who epitomizes the freewheeling lot who beat the prognosti- cators to the pennant, and may well bring the world championship back to one of the principal towns on Happy's historic concert circuit. Mike Royko did a col- umn on him in last Friday's Chicago Tribune, which, among other things, recoun- ts the time a fan berated him for smoking during an interview, which she consid ered unbecoming an athlete; to which Kruk responded, "I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player." ('Twas he who had the hole in his pants during the playoff s, BTW.) Let me second Mike's encomium for Maestro Subgum. As per usual, I have their second album on CD, but haven't gotten around to playing it. But their first album, on tape, was (and is) great fun. When they appeared live on Stuart Rosenberg's program last year, one of them said Yma Sumac was her role model; my first reaction was, can't be all bad. Aeren's speculation on the original form of "10 little Endians" was accurate. The later form was itself deemed politically incorrect, so that after Agatha Christie used it as the title as a mystery, the book was renamed "And Then There Were None." Ectophiles aren't the only ones getting belated birthday greetings today; yesterday's paper notes that it was the birthday of Martina Navratilova, Jesse Helms (a certain perverse symmetry about that :-) ), and Laura Nyro, among many others. I am, at the moment, too tired to absorb all the fine points of Vickie's interview with Sheila Chandra. Ain't archiving grand? Sometime I'll have to look for the Hunan restaurant; I've never noticed it among all the other eater- ies on that block. Should any of you ever be in that neighborhood, the place on the corner of Waveland and the one to its immediate north are also quite good. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 19:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MIKEDEPUMPO@delphi.com Subject: Jane S. Howdy all (he says, carefully sidestepping the whole 7 bit/8 bit fiasco)... I keep seeing Jane Siberry's name popping up. Soooo, would someone be kind enough to give me a brief account as to who she is and what her music is like? _____________________________________________________________________________ "Now I guess I've gotta tell'em ...from the land of Nelmst... that I've got no cerebellum" The Ramones *** |\/|ike *** _____________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== From: Aeren Hawkins Subject: PC and crashes Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:53:13 -0500 (CDT) Vickie remarks: > Aeren (interesting spelling change!) writes: I'm refraining from mentioning Colleen Doran's _A Distant Soil_, but that's where the alternate spelling comes from. Any other fans out there in ectoland? > > > Ten little endian girls > > > > A friend once told me he'd seen an older version that used "n*gg*r" instead > > of "In..." um "endian". I've never managed to check it out, though. > > My second-rate state university doesn't offer a major in folklore. Sigh. > > Yikes! I've never heard that version, thank goodness. The net is such a > wild and informational place...is there somewhere you can ask? Well, Mitch already corroborated it. I'd forgotten the Agatha Christie angle...but can you really chalk the change up to "political correctness" when it happened a few decades before the term was coined? Would you say the same thing about altering Steven Foster lyrics? > > As it is, I'm terribly worried I'm going to be the first African American > > to graduate from the linguistics department. I'm setting a really lousy > > precedent. :) > > In history, or just at UIUC? :-) What are you studying? Linguistics, and I really hope I'm not going to be the first here at Urbana, but the dept. is only 29 or so years old, and there aren't any others running around as faculty or grad. students. People keep telling me how easy it should be to get accepted to grad. schools and get funding and stuff, and they don't actually _say_ "regardless of whether you're competent or not", but the whole thing still makes me uncomfortable sometimes. Maybe I just worry too much. :-) > > Aside to brni: **warm fuzziness** My mom was in a car accident this > > summer, too, and the whole thing had that surrealistic air you described. > > Nothing like calling a hospital and having someone tell you that they > > haven't _lost_ your mother, exactly, they just weren't precisely sure > > where she'd gotten off to... > > Ack! What happened to her? Kiri's mother was in a car accident last > year :-(. Kiri and Aeren, how are they doing? Well, my mom is doing much better. She can walk, something the doctors weren't too sure about right after the accident. The mix-up with where she was had to do with Northwestern Hospital and the Rehab Institute of Chicago being two separate entities, and her getting checked out of one to visit the other. The computer just said she had checked out, which came as a shock to us, since the last time we'd visited she couldn't even sit up by herself. The guy who hit her claimed that she'd run a red light, so perhaps we should add to brni's advice: Don't stop at red lights unless there's a big van coming from that way. :-) > Great! (About finding Rearmament, and your entire second sentence!) > Did you get it at Rose Records in Champaign? Nope, the Tower in Chicago again. I haven't tried the Rose down here, now that you mention it. Aeren ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: Catstuff Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 21:07:16 -0500 (CDT) Thanks to all for their support/help with my housing problems - We've worked it out (hopefully), in that a friend of mine volunteered to keep my cat until my lease runs out or she starts to eat his plants. She appears to be behaving herself, and I have liberal visitation rights, so I'm happy with the situation, although I miss her. I really didn't want to move and lose my security deposit and have to buy furniture (as this place is furnished). Thanks again! Kath ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)