Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #810 ecto, Number 810 Monday, 18 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* KaTe Review: The Red Shoes Why Do I Like Daylight Savings Time? Re: Re: CMJ Panelist request corporate rock sucks, doncha k Zen lyrics InConcert/Loose Mail/unHappy Radio/Cats/Serveert Re: sorry about the screw-up time and a word ATTN all Bay Area Ectophiles Yesterday was your birthday friend... RE: ecto #801 ectopics Kate on MTV (for West Coasters) Bday Belay "Sweet Relief" 120 Minutes Re: JS, SI, and me (Was: woody allen, etc. -- why??) Re: Kirsty MacColl Re: it's raining birds again... Re: A request ... ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 20:10:50 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: KaTe Review: The Red Shoes >From the November issue of GQ (don't ask :) ... "Kate Bush, THE RED SHOES (Columbia): There's enought sex in Bush's songs to make Madonna sound like the Singing Nun, but it's always expressed in erudite images: She and a lover eat ripe fruit "with sticky fingers"; she dives into the ocean; she emulates the rose of Sharon. More than ever, Bush grounds her flighty art rock with funk body and pop smarts -- from Eric Clapton's guest solo on 'And So Is Love' to the wonderfully catchy 'Rubberband Girl.' " (enought?) review by Rob Tannenbaum --- Michael Peskura - University of Washington - Seattle USA ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Why Do I Like Daylight Savings Time? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 22:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Well... ...because Time is a tyranny in this modern world. The Sun has long ago ceased to be our timepiece. Now, a digital watch announcing the time as 3:17:56 PM has become nearly more credible than the Moon and the Midnight Fog. Daylight Savings Time is a biannual reminder that those numbers which master us and hound us to Be Here, Drive There, Watch Now, Meet Then, and Stop Immediately Or Else are not beyond the reach of human rebellion, that Chaos, which is a slur on the name of Nature, is but a mental tiptoe away. It could be said that DST is a similar tyranny, an equally deterministic and mechanical adjustment akin to the crossing of a time zone. But too many humans perceive the digits of 9:45:00 as immutable and constant, for the second before they are replaced by 9:45:01, which becomes the new granite monument to precision and clockwork. To see the Gears slip a notch, even if we are manually altering their progress, is enough to keep them from their nigh-granted divinity. We work the Names of Time; Time itself flies free, unfettered by human vanity. So. DenDrewIte, only ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 23:49 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Re: Re: CMJ Panelist request OK, now: Here is what Brian sent me after I asked him to put Susanne on the list: > To: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) > Subject: Re: CMJ Panelist request > From: n6@cyberden.sf.ca.us > Reply-To: n6@cyberden.sf.ca.us > Comments: CyberMember > Message-Id: > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 19:51:28 PDT > In-Reply-To: <2cbb30d1@deepspace.NJ00802.sai.com> > Organization: Indescribable Creations > > Thanks for your repley. The fact that they don't have net access is both > interesting and a liability to be on the panel. I will forward this info > to CMJ. No mattter what the outcome, THANK YOU. > Please keep in touch. > Please leave me a snail mail address as I will send you a copy of my Zine > neXus siX (N6) > > __________________________________________________________________________ > | / |\ > | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ n6@cyberden.sf.ca.us ] > > The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415/472-5527 My reply to this was merely an attempt at making the artist's lack of access more of an asset than a liability. And someone mentioned after she posted via Bob Brown's laptop that people on ecto would post differently if she were a presence here. I was sad to see some of you took it personally to mean I didn't want to see Happy here; nothing would be further from the truth. Although it isn't up to any of us - Happy lacks net.access at this time. I am amazed at the debate this has engendered. There really is nothing to say on the topic. Should Happy ever choose to go online with us, she will be here, and that would surely change the nature of Ecto slightly. Please, I didn't want to ruffle any feathers! Bob the bewildered ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 04:28:00 BST Subject: corporate rock sucks, doncha k Brni, without quoting your lengthy post, I'd certainly like to second it. ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 12:17:17 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Zen lyrics Thanks to mjm for writing the big explanation why he likes Rainbirds' _Two Faces_ so much. I hadn't listened to it in a long time, but this made me want to hear it again. I think I like it better than ever now! It's like getting a new album. :-) But that could also be the result of the new CD-player I bought recently. Everything sounds so much better on it. It's like getting a collection of 150 new CDs. :-) :-) Those people who think _The Sensual World_ and _Us_ sound muddy and have on old player should really consider buying a new one. You will be enlightened. Last Friday I got a package from Aural Gratification that contained Mitch Elrod's Swim Team's first and only album _The Muse of Intent_. While I don't think it's typical Ecto-music, I like it a lot. It's good stuff. :-) The lyrics are strange, like Rainbirds' lyrics. He uses normal American words, but I can't seem to put together the meanings of the words to get a conventional meaning for the songs most of the time. It's like they're written in some strange code. Albert "All the ways-land comes and comes along the lay you down" -- Mitch Elrod "This is just about - real" -- Rainbirds ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 07:28:07 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: InConcert/Loose Mail/unHappy Radio/Cats/Serveert -==- Hope you saw it. It was better than I expected (which isn't saying much), although only half was about WOMAD and the other half about Todd Rundgren's new interactive concert setup plus video game graphics. They interviewed PG and Sheila Chandra (they spelled it "Sheila Chaundra") a tiny bit, which was cool. I confess I've not heard her stuff, but I haven't heard most the stuff mentioned in here. Todd mentioned that his latest album was also available as an interactive CD. Anyone seen it? -==- I get Ecto as a digest but would prefer not to have the delay. Problem with loose mail is that it gets all mixed in with your own mail. In this form does the from line contain the poster's address or the ecto address? (I'm guessing the former since I get those "mail being held" messages when I post; they think it's from me.) I use unix and have root access so I could add another mailbox for ecto, and change my address on the ecto list so my ecto and private mail would be separate. Anyone have a better solution? (I use gnu emacs/rmail). -==- KKLD in Tucson was reported in ecto as having played Happy but the DJ tonight didn't find anything when looking it up (I told him it was last name R H O D E S). :( Whoever maintains that list might as well strike that station (dead). I then asked the DJ to play some Kate Bush and he said he might "if I can find it". I've listened to it for about 1.5 hrs and I'm about to throw up and am switching it. Like I said, I gave up on Tucson radio a long time ago but I'm sure there are better ones than this one for Happy... I'm trying them all out again (including some I can just get from Phoenix). -==- mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni): > *HUGS* and lots of luck to kath > in dealing with her landlord problems. > i never did understand the "no pets" deal > with apartments. if the beastie does any damage, > wouldn't that just come out of the securuty deposit? > sigh. > renters of the world, unite! > you have nothing to lose but your lease! First, I'm sorry Kath, that sounds like a pain in the ass. I wasn't going to say anything but after this post I had to. Some of us *are* allergic to fluffballs, even allergic enough that having an apartment neighbor with a cat can cause trouble. This is especially true in complexes where the vent ducts from bathroom and stove fans are connected together from many apartments before reaching the roof. It's not the hair, it's the air-borne dander that's the problem. Also, think of a cat allergic person moving into a supposedly cat-free complex only to find that the previous occupant had a cat... the problem persists even after the pet is gone. I have checked out many no pet places only to start sniffling and find cat hair (even after carpet cleaning). This is a defininte "PET peeve" of mine. Don't get me wrong, cats are cool, but I can't live with them. This is not meant to flame Kath but to hopefully spread some deeper understanding of "no pets allowed." -==- Neal R. Copperman : > I did see music I liked last night though. I was really wowed by Bettie > Serveet. I picked up their disc too, but didn't have time to listen to Great! I wondered how they would be live! :) Funny drum solo story! :) ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 11:04:52 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: sorry about the screw-up Uli, who thinks I'm ignoring him but I'm really not, it's just that making decisions at this time is not my strong point, riches: > > X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQo= > > > g'zoonheit! > > That's Gesundheit! ;-) See, now I have Philip and Uli. Who needs an on-line spell-checker? > To add to the fun here's some poetry that can be compiled and > run and then even read on machines that are little-endian I bet I know what it says: One little two little three little endians Four little five little six little endians Seven little eight little nine little endians Ten little endian girls :-) (It's strictly an American thang, I think) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 15:03:27 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: time and a word > >To see the Gears slip a notch, even if we are manually altering their >progress, is enough to keep them from their nigh-granted divinity. We work >the Names of Time; Time itself flies free, unfettered by human vanity. So. > in typically human fashion, we have replaced analog variations in day/night length with some sort of lurching, monstrous digital version. why do we do this? not because it somehow frees time, but because it is (to someone, somewhere) convenient. all this is a result of a very human tendancy to try to objectify time (and everything else, as well). in doing so, we make time a static, often stagnant thing. we simplify it because we don't want to be bothered with it *in reality*, only in a form which we can control (hence leap years). we make time understandable, visible, measurable, useable, controlable. we make time safe. >DenDrewIte, only > respectfully disagreeing, i remain brni ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 12:25:45 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: ATTN all Bay Area Ectophiles Jesus, er, Jane Siberry will be performing at the Great American Music Hall on Saturday, November 13, at 8PM. Tickets are general admission, $16. I already got mine. :) D^2 ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 15:07:30 Subject: Yesterday was your birthday friend... Sorry for the i*i*i*i*i*i delay Erik! *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** Erik N. Johnson *** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Andrew D. Simchik Sat October 26 1974 Scorpio Jessica Dembski Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathleen Morrey Sat November 1 1969 Scorpio Katie Dougiamas Sat November 2 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 4 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 5 1962 Scorpio Larry Nathanson Fri November 7 1969 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 8 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett-KirchoffSat November 8 1958 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Rob Craven Thu November 14 1974 Scorpio Elizabeth W. Warwick Sun November 15 1964 Scorpio -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 01:23:02 +1000 From: "/R=ECC/R=AM/U=IT_JIM/FFN= /"@mr.tased.edu.au Subject: RE: ecto #801 Please remove me (mail address was jim@r140.tased.edu.au) from your digest. Thanks for the ride! Jim ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 22:56:59 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (not just the size of a walnut) Subject: ectopics robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) sez: > Susanne wanted to join the CMJ panel (thanks Vickie!) i also volunteered to join this panel. besides being overly active on a lot of these musical net.forums, i also penned a paragraph for cmj's dialogue column in 1989 which babbled about the use of the net to spread the word about music. however, i've not heard back from the cyberden dude yet. Chris Sampson sez: >Does anyone know anything about the band/album called "Welcome to the >Beautiful South"? It's out on Electra/Nonesuch and definitely has a pop >sound, but I can't decide where they're coming from, or even if I like it. >They _seem_ to be sarcastic/tongue in cheek, and all that, but it's >possible that they're just shallow, I guess. Any background out there? the beautiful south is *very* tongue-in-cheek. i think someone mentioned that the beautiful south rose out of the ashes of the housemartins whose work was even more acidic. t.b.s have three albums out: _welcome to..._, _0898_ (a reference to 1-900-like number in britain) and the latest, the title of which escapes me. i particularly like the first album and enjoy the other two. King o' Pain sez: >bought it yesterday, but I ended up with Sarah McLachlan's _Touch_ >instead. I wonder how I have survived with just _Solace_ for so long. >I *love* this album, and I'm now waiting anxiously for the new one. you know, i had just commented to meredith the other day that the more i listen to _touch_, the less i find i like it. well, let me be more clear: the less i like the two instrumentals and "ben's song". the former seem pointless and the latter just grates on my ears. dunno why. i'm much more fond of _solace_. erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) sez: >I just got the Sylvian & Fripp collaberation _The First Day_, which I think >is the newest. I like it, but I'm not quite sure how to describe it. I don't >know Sylvian's previous work, but I suspect this is Sylvian filtered through >Fripp rather than vice versa. Does that make sense? eh. sylvian has been all over the map musically - from the slick pop of early japan to the stripped-down, bare bones pop of his later solo albums to ambient new agey stuff more recently. i'd say that _the first day_ is more or a collaboration than a filtering process - there are bits and pieces of each person's style in each song (with the possible exception of the frippertronics tune at the end). p.cohen@genie.geis.com sez: >"Liege and Lief" was released in 1970. It is, by far, no ifs-ands-or-buts >Fairport's finest hour. with the possible exception of the _full house_ era version of the band. there is an incredible live recording called _house full_ that documents fairport's sound at that point in time. i find myself listening to that more often than _liege and lief_ (except when i can't find the tape that it's on :) "Alex Gibbs" sez: >They *are* on Atlantic now so easy to get. I ordered mine from >Noteworthy Music which doesn't yet have Happy I'm afraid. actually, bettie serveert is licensed to matador which has a distribution deal with atlantic. +woj ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 05:38:00 BST Subject: Ectopics Woj: Well, I personally find myself listening to "What We Did On Our Holiday" the most. "Full House" was a good album, but I prefer "Babbacomb Lee" which I believe had the same lineup. The bottom line, IMHO, is that any Fairport album with Sandy Denny singing stands above any of the albums without her. Her death was one of the great musical tragedies of the 70s. And while I'm rambling on about Sandy Denny, let me put in a great big plug for the "Sandy and the Strawbs" reissue. It's superb. All: As I write this, I am watching the Kate Bush "Eat the Music" video on MTV's 120 Minutes. Now I don't think this song is as awful as some other people seem to think, though I agree it's far from her most challenging work. Basically the video is kate and a bunch of (African?) tribal dancers bopping around in a whole bunch of fruit. Hmmmm. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 1:33:06 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Kate on MTV (for West Coasters) For anyone on the West Coast, Kate's "Eat the Music" is shown about 29 minutes in the show. It comes *immediately* after a Paul Westerberg video, with no breaks, no talking, no "MTV World Premier Video" warning. Right after the video they show the Top 10 Countdown and Kate is already in there, at # 8, I think. They must be going on the basis on the single, since the album (which is what is listed) hasn't been released yet. This bodes well for the album getting to #1 and possibly staying there for a while. The video is fantastic! Kate, a very beautiful Kate, whirling her hair around, dancing on fruit, singing with a full South Seas(?) choir, losing herself in the voodoo of the moment...it's great! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 1:37:23 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Bday Belay HAPPY (belated) BIRTHDAY to theoneandonly Erik Johnson!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 2:06:36 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: "Sweet Relief" 120 Minutes It was mentioned at the end of this week's 120 Minutes that next week would feature a special "Sweet Relief" version of the show, with special guest Victoria Williams! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 2:27:01 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: JS, SI, and me (Was: woody allen, etc. -- why??) Ian writes: > I'm not sure why, but over the first few listens of When I Was A Boy I > kept thinking hey, that sounds like... and ooh, that reminds me of... > Strangely, the bit on the end of Beginning of Time reminded me of MBV; > I think it must have been the sort-of submerged tonal quality. That's so often part of Jane's subtle charm. Things sound familiar, but not....quite... Hey Ian, welcome to Ecto, it's good to see you here! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 2:35:59 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Kirsty MacColl Greg O'Rear writes: > I, too, just got "Titanic Days", and it's no surprise. I'm not a giant > expert on her, but I do have "Kite", "Electric Landlady", and now this one > (also have her on albums by the Pogues and the Smiths). Same here, though I don't have the Smiths song. > All I can say is that if you like her, buy it. If you've never heard her > before and you hear this album, this is what she's like. I think I prefer > "Kite" actually. I think I do too, though I still hightly recommend Titanic Days. I think all three albums are wonderful and it's pretty much whatever I'm listening to that I like best. Kirsty's very consistant for me, in that there isn't anything I truly dislike on any of her albums, and many of the songs I *love*. I still need to listen to this more to get to know it better, but yeah, I like it! > Still, I love her, I think she's neat, I wish her the best, I enjoy her > music, but I don't expect her to break any new ground. BTW, just for > calibration purposes, one of her best pop songs (IMHO) is "What Do Pretty > Girls Do?" But anyway, how can you not love someone who sings > "You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot! Happy Christmas, your arse! > I pray God it's our last!" >From "Fairytale of New York" by The Pogues. Yep! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 3:25:38 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: it's raining birds again... Uli quotes MJM & Angelos: > > |When's the last time a world hit was in Greek? Or turkish? Or finnish? > > > > Good question. I would say this was just another failure of the > > (in particular, though not exclusively, American) music industry, > > radio, etc. in promoting or "feeding" listeners anything other > > than predictable hits (for the most part). It reminds of a girl > > This sounds a bit ethnocentric again ;-)... why is it that US radio stations > define world hits? It's been bothering me, the flak that Mike's gotten in this thread. I think Mike was misunderstood to begin with (especially by Angelos, but that's taken care of) and this doesn't help any. MJM is *anything* but ethnocentric, and it's not fair to blame him for what US radio stations do. If indeed US radio stations define world hits, I think the blame lies with the radio stations and listeners in the countries where those hits are played. If the rest of the world didn't play or pay attention to what's going on in American radio, you wouldn't have to put up with the crap from the American charts. I, for one, would *LOVE* to see more music from other countries played on Chart radio. There used to be a time when songs not sung in English made the charts, but those also were the days when you could hear Nat King Cole played after The Rolling Stones played after The Chiffons played after Herman's Hermits played after The Jackson Five and on and on and on. American radio *used* to be eclectic, before the marketing men got ahold of it. Aren't we all aware yet that mainstream radio (in nearly every country) is hopeless and that there are lots of alternative ways to find out about good music? Of course we are. Except for responses from folks who got up on the wrong side of the bed, I thought the whole subject was interesting and I'm glad it happened. Good for Mike for coming back and expanding on his original post in the way he did. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 3:30:22 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: A request ... Christo spoke too soon: > Geeze I pick great times to leave the country don't I :) Because, later... > I found out today that Peter Gabriel will be playing in Dortmund on > 10 November. It costs f130 for tickets (including a bus there and > back). I was wondering if the German ectophiles could tell me > (if they know) how much the tickets are to buy for the show alone > as I'm not sure if they're available in any other form here ... > > And I thought I wouldn't get a chance to go .... YAY :) Yay! Congratulations Christo, I'm so happy for you! (And when you come back through Chicago on your way back to Australia, I'll take you to Carmen's Pizza) Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)