Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #808 ecto, Number 808 Saturday, 16 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* 21st Century Sound And Border Books Does Happy Rhodes have a new address? corporate rock sucks, doncha know... daylight savings conspiracy diamanda galas Re: Re: dcd and frippertronics KATE ON 120 MINUTES All's kvell that ends? the death of 21st century soun I vote YES for Happy on Ecto Liege and Lief I vote that its not up to me (or you) whether Happy wants to join us on ecto or not ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: 21st Century Sound And Border Books Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:01:06 CDT Brni gives a very sad description of 21 Cent. records closing in Bryn Mahr. (?) For the record, I'd like to make a case on behalf of Border Books. There is a Border Books in the Dallas area, located in the upper central portion of town. The times I've been there I've been very impressed with their selection. More so that that, I was stunned when I was in there about 2 months ago asking for RhodeSongs and 3, count'em THREE, employees heads swivelled to me: "Happy Rhodes has a new one coming out?" That floored me! I'm so used to the clueless counterdroids and that have never heard of Happy Rhodes. These people had a clue! They also knew about Area too. Our Border books also carries quite a good book selection, including many titles on homebrewing (a hobby of mine) that can't be found in any other book stores. It's truly a shame that a great little store had to close down because of Border, but having Border here seems to only offer better variety. (Of course, Dallas music stores kinda wallow in general.) br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:41:31 -0700 From: elbow@apple.com (Jesse Ellenbogen) Subject: Does Happy Rhodes have a new address? I tried sending an EctoWare payment for DepthGauge & to get HR's "Warpaint" CD. The P.O. returned my letter marked "Attempted Not Known, Return to Sender." Is there a new address? The address I tried I got from the info on DepthGague 2.5.4: Happy Rhodes EctoWare Payment c/o Aural Gratification P.O. Box 8658 Academy Station Albany, NY 12208 I'm anxious to give the album a listen. Has HR signed with a label yet? Any info appreciated! --Jesse Ellenbogen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jesse Ellenbogen elbow@apple.com 870 Dartshire Way w/ 408-862-7976 Apple Online Services A'Link: ELLENBOGEN Sunnyvale,CA 94087 h/ 408-736-4411 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 17:43:42 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: corporate rock sucks, doncha know... hi there, > >Brni gives a very sad description of 21 Cent. records closing in Bryn >Mahr. (?) > mawr... :) (unless you're from boston... :) >For the record, I'd like to make a case on behalf of Border Books. >There is a Border Books in the Dallas area, located in the upper central >portion of town. The times I've been there I've been very impressed >with their selection. More so that that, I was stunned when I was in there >about 2 months ago asking for RhodeSongs and 3, count'em THREE, employees >heads swivelled to me: "Happy Rhodes has a new one coming out?" > >That floored me! I'm so used to the clueless counterdroids and that >have never heard of Happy Rhodes. These people had a clue! They also >knew about Area too. > yes. thats exactly what i was saying. they *are* good stores. they also have the capital to blow other good stores out of the water. if i and some of my friends try to use other stores rather than a corporate chain, such as border's or tower, then we have an almost negligible effect on the corporate stores, but have a much more, uh, "gligable"? (how but "less negligable") positive effect on the small independant stores. if, on the other hand, you are in an area where there is no real and viable alternative, then thats an entirely different story, isnt' it? one thing that is important to remember, i think, is that real groundbreaking alternative things do not come to us on corporate wings. they appear in little bookstores in basements, or in record stores owned by progressive and visionary people, or in small dingy clubs or in little cafe's or at shows in someone's basement or backyard or farm. when corporations get involved, it is because there is enough market for them to make a significant profit. that market was created by the small business, which is then driven out of business by the corporation which capitalizes on the progress that the small people have made. which is to say that the alternative becomes mainstreamed. it slowly becomes institutionalized, and unless there is some outlet for a *new* alternative, we once again achieve artistic stagnation. ack. enuf, already (again with the radicalism?) brni, the revolutionary ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 17:50:57 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: daylight savings conspiracy hi there. this is, of course, all my umble, but infallible, opinion. >robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) sez: >|> A question: Anyone know offhand when Savings Time kicks over? I've >|> heard parts of Europe already set their clocks back. I know it's not >|> this weekend (or it would be too late to ask...) > >Last Saturday in October - every year. (US, of course.) It also always >begins the last Saturday in April. Easy to remember when phrased like >this, but for some strange reason everyone seems to ask when it is *this* >year, ignoring the pattern. > > Erik > who gets paid to see patterns...and put them in algorithms. daylight savings is all an illuminati plot. using the confusion that ensues those days, they plan and scheme there nefarious plans and schemes. boycott daylight savings! > Got the anti-Christ in the kitchen yelling at me again... TA > again with the yelling? --------------------------------- >Completely unmusical content, but I couldn't let misinformation stand: > >Daylight Savings time STARTS 2 a.m. the FIRST SUNDAY in April, and ends >the LAST SUNDAY in October. > >--Pshanks, springing forward and falling behind > see what i mean? ------------------------------------ > >> Daylight Savings time STARTS 2 a.m. the FIRST SUNDAY in April, and ends >> the LAST SUNDAY in October. > >Only in the USA! Each country has different days when daylight saving >applies. In the UK it's the last Sunday in March and even that isn't fixed >- it's agreed every year by an act of parliament (I kid you not!). > once again: see what i mean? brni, who thinks that daylight savings is one of the greatest examples of human arrogance. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 17:58:15 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: diamanda galas hi ho, > >I share the feelings about the DCD ticket fiasco in Berkeley... As D^2 >already metioned I got row Z too, which after looking it up in the floor >plan is indeed the last row...And I got tix right by the left wall... >But at least I got them :) > reminds me of the time in high school that i camped out for tickets for rush, and was 3rd in line, and we only got 3rd level tickets for the show (a stadium show). "its an ant! its a flea! no, its geddy lee!" >To those of you wondering about what Diamanda Galas is like live, I don't >know what to say. She seems to be performing 'Plague Mass' (at least that's >what the ads mention in SF), which is surprising since she just released >a new album. In the case that this is true, expect a very powerful show. >Do NOT expect to dance around, sing and clap along. If you want more info, >e-mail me and I'll mail you a review of her show in Boston. I am still trying >to decide if I should go see her again. Last time it took me a week to fully >recover :) > everything she does is part of the ongoing plague mass, which she claims will continue until the plague is over. incidentally, philip-dimitri galas, ms galas' brother, dies of AIDS. brni ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:21:10 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: Re: dcd and frippertronics dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) writes: |> > Well, influenced by Belew perhaps, but the *last* Crimson album |> > (I forget the title, something or other with elephants in one |> > of the songs) is remarkably similar to the first few tracks |> > on I advance masked, 1982. Uncannily similar. It's really good. |> |> That would be _Discipline_, a truly excellent elpee's worth of toons. |> |> "Bibble! Babble! Bobble! Bicker bicker bicker! Brouhaha! |> Balderdash! It's only talk! Back talk!" |> - "Elephant Talk", by KC, which cracks me up every time It is indeed a truly excellent album, but it's not their last. They had two more afterwards eith the same lineup: _Beat_ & _Three of a Perfect Pair_. Fripp, Belew, Bruford, and Tony Levin made a truly amazing lineup - each of them among the most innovative musicians at their respective instruments, and the combination was fantastic. Erik Crimheads 'R' Us... ___________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe any return address KLA Instruments Corp. rumors. The one and only True San Jose, CA Address is e_johnso@kla.com. As the cavalry of despair Takes a stand in the lady's hair For the favour of making sweet sixteen... -- King Crimson, 1973 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 19:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: KATE ON 120 MINUTES Hi! I just sent off this information to love-hounds, then figured I might as well send it to ecto as well. Our own Valerie Nozick, who is too swamped with temping at MTV and life in general to get online just now, bade me pass along the following information, which she gleaned off the MTV internal net this morning: This Sunday, 10/17/93, 120 Minutes will premiere new videos by Cocteau Twins, Ocean Blue, and... Kate Bush! No clue which one, though my guess is it's "Rubberband Girl", since as far as we know there's no video for "Eat The Music", right? In any case, those of you with access to Americn MTV should fire up your VCRs- it's on at midnight on both coasts, but I'm not sure about the inland North American time zones. Now I'm *really* pissed that I don't have a VCR... :( Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Subject: All's kvell that ends? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 19:54:40 CDT From: Joe Zitt > From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) > Mike> Blasphemy! Sweet Incarnadine is probably my flavorite track on > Mike> the whole CD. I bide my time patiently until that one phrase in > Mike> SI that just makes me kvell. Like music from the heavens. > > I was hoping someone would say something like that; it really is one of > the outstanding songs on the album. I just can't deal with it where it > is. Er, can you expand my/my dictionary's vocabulary and tell me what > "kvell" means? Uh... "kvell" as far as I know, means sort of to be extremely proud and happy. Is that correct here? ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 01:34:00 BST Subject: the death of 21st century soun Oh, man, what a depressing bummer. 21st Century Sound turned me on to a lot of great music over the years. ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 01:33:00 BST Subject: I vote YES for Happy on Ecto I would love to see Happy on Ecto. I mean, this thing is all about the free exchange of ideas and all that. I know there are those who would rather keep Happy a big mystery and have their little fantasies, but I think it would be great to converse with the artist about her work, her influences. I found that recent post fascinating about what Happy thought of some of the music out there today (Tim Finn/Crowded House, Bjork, Cranberries). I'd love to see more of this. I also found that story about her being turned on to Kate Bush at age 16 great. If Depeche Mode can appear on AOL, why can't we have Happy on Ecto? ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 01:34:00 BST Subject: Liege and Lief > I just bought Fairport Convention's "Liege and Lief" yesterday--great > stuff! My question is what year was this album made? I couldn't find > it anywhere on the CD. Anybody? "Liege and Lief" was released in 1970. It is, by far, no ifs-ands-or-buts Fairport's finest hour. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 22:54:38 EDT From: mpower@jpmorgan.com (Marc Power) Subject: I vote that its not up to me (or you) whether Happy wants to join us on ecto or not > From awphili@cs.vu.nl Fri Oct 15 15:43:43 1993 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 20:29:24 MET > From: Albert Philipsen > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Subject: I vote YES/NO for Happy on Ecto > Content-Length: 62 > > Reply to this if you do/don't want to see Happy on Ecto. > > Albert > You didn't ask my permission to join ecto, Albert, Neither did I ask yours - Happy is free to do whatever she chooses, just like the rest of us. My opinion is that I welcome all comers, if thats what you are really asking, whether its Happy, Suzanne Kevin, Peter Gabriel or Lemmy from Motorhead :) , or whoever appreciates Happy's music/voice/talent/creativity. I don't know whether they would be shocked by the occasional mundanity, intrigued by the various lyrical interpretations or thrilled by the adulation and I don't really care - I would just expect them to make a contribution like the rest of us, or lurk if thats what works for them Happy has a sort of lurker status anyway, I seem to recall (was it Vickie?) someone has shown her some ecto traffic. She has a sort of poster status also, sending occasional messages to ecto. Technically therefore, she's already here, in ecto. - and after all, isn't that what she wrote in the first place? Marc Power (whose had a hard day at the office, and is probably cracking up under the strain) P.s. Just got Rhodesongs - who are the other people in the photos? Pat Tessitore? Kevin? Can anybody in the know, provide a key? P.p.s Just got Eat the Music (gawd isn't that track diabolical, and not in the dark, brooding satanic sense. Big stripey lie is cool though.) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)