Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #789 ecto, Number 789 Wednesday, 6 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Tori & Happy availability on the UK Digest #785 Heidi poster contest old local Boston scene rumor short cuts Re: old local Boston scene rumor M + M anyone? Michael's questions Re: Fuzzy Set Theory Re: a short klaus Runaway trains of thought and other stories Re: At long last :) ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Tori & Happy availability on the UK Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 17:16:25 BST On Thu, 30 Sep 93 at 2:44:19 EDT WretchAwry wrote: > > anyone?> In case you're still waiting for some info.... > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 12:27:40 BST > From: glarri@armltd.co.uk (Guy Larri) > > I moved to Cambridge, England from Australia earlier this year, and I'm > interested to know what Tori stuff, Happy Rhodes stuff, etc, is around in the > stores in the UK, and where. In particular - > > What videos are available to buy, and which do I have > to beg/borrow/trade from the UK fans ? There are no Happy videos. Tori has a readily available video compilation out in the UK: "Little Earthquakes" (Warner Music Vision) 8536 50335-3 (55mins) This contains the following: Silent All These Years (video) Leather (live) Precious Things (live) Crucify (video) Me & a Gun (live TV appearance, filmed in Hong Kong for MTV Asia) Little Earthquakes (live) China (video) Happy Phantom (live) Here in my Head (live) Winter (video) Song for Eric (live) + bits of interview, behind the scenes footage, &c. > What CD Singles are (or at least have been recently) available in the UK > and any good places to buy them (either near Cambridge or in London) I have the following: Crucify/Here in my Head/Mary/Crucify (lp version) - 7567 85865-2 Winter/The Pool/Take to the Sky/Sweet Dreams - 7567 85885-2 CD singles were also released here for "Silent All These Years" and "China" > Is there anyone in the UK who can supply me with a dub of Why Kant Tori > Read ? Can't help you there! > Is there anywhere in the UK I can buy Happy Rhodes music (just trying to > avoid dealing with currency conversion between here and the USA). [Then > again, if Aural Gratification accept credit cards it might be easy anyway] As far as I know, there is no retail or mail order source of Happy's music in the UK. Nor do Aural Gratification accept credit cards. You might be able to get an individual shop in the US to do a credit card sale to the UK. Ask in Ecto for likely candidates. It's a bit of a long shot though. Did you here last week's episode of "The Atlantic Story" on Radio One? There was quite a long section on Tori which included some very interesting interview clips. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Digest #785 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 12:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Gratings, all, and other abrasive noises! Brni wanted to know if I go around admiring duffs...to add another bit of corroboration to the "binary" interp of that word, my father always advises me to "get off your duff" and go find a job/walk down to the store/mow the lawn/etc. A few other items of business... Courtney: thanks a million times and several more! I love the Red Shoes thinger and will be framing it shortly. A new nickname to add to the list: Drewpid. This one's really flexible, as it can be used as an insult (instead of "stupid") or a term of affection (instead of "Cupid"). Anyone trying to make a diminDrewtive out of the word "putrid", however, can give up right now; it's too hard to say "Drewtrid" and no one will get it. Ha! I got my grubby little mitts on Dead Can Dance's latest, and apart from the aural features it shares with _Passion_ (I want only _Passion_ to sound like _Passion_), I love it. "How Fortunate The Man With None" is splendidly sepulchral (whatcha think Brecht would've said); "The Spider's Stratagem" is as good as can be expected (what could've lived up to such a wonderful title?); "The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove" is terrific. The best part about the album is the booklet art...mmmmmm. Not worth losing sleep over, but not a sorry addition to my collection. No RhodeSongs sightings on the Rochester front. :( People, where can I get hold of Sarah McLachlan's CD5? I've been looking all over and they know nothing, they see nothing. What's up with this? I seem to be into dancey music lately...I just bought Abba's _Gold_ release, and I'm currently listening to the Darling Buds' first album. Did anyone else notice that I'm babbling? Good day, all. Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 10:50:54 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: Heidi poster contest >>Wonder if any legitimate psychiatrists reading the last line of Brni's original >>comment will be inspired to start a rap act called Run DMC-III? :-) >> >better yet, a sort of pogues/rap hybrid called Rum-DMC-III-R. Or an even more talkative robot in the next Star Wars sequal - DMC-III-P0. THis talk of a stereo band reminds me of a Kronos Quartet show I saw a number of years ago (I'm seeing them again tomorrow :). For there final number, they were all sitting around on these hassocks (or something), playing the piece (by John Lurie I think), when all of a sudden one of the performers stopped playing, opened up his seat and took out his instrument case. He carefully cleaned his instrument and put it away. Then, he took out a tape recorder and sat down for a bit. At the right moment he started the tape up, and his part re-entered the quartet. Then, he left. A few minutes later this was repeated by another member of the quartet, until finally everyone was gone and we were watching a quartet of tape recorders. This went on for a few minutes until the piece ended, then they came out and took a bow. I did in fact see Heidi Berry last night at the San Diego show. She played first on a triple bill with Idaho and Red House Painters. She hung around briefly after her set, but then left before I had a chance to talk with her at all, but questions about your Happy gifts were on my mind Vickie. Actually, it is usually pretty rare for me to talk to a performer, being kind of shy and not having much I can think to say other than obvious things like "Really like your Music" or "So, what do you think of San Diego" or something equally inane. Anyway, what about the show. Well, THose who arrived on time were treated to a fine 25 minute version of The Moon and the Sun for the sound check. SOmetimes it was played straight, sometimes silly, and sometimes it become just wordless versions of the melody over the guitar. That was actually one of the high points of the evening. It was at the Casbah, which only holds 75 people anyway, and was pretty empty in the early evening, although a vocally devoted set of fans filled the place up by 10. It was just Heidi and a guitar player, Grace Joyner. They seemed in a bit of a silly mood, since the burst out giggling at the end of about half the songs. The crowd loved them, and they seemed really surprised to be so appreciated. In their silliness, they tossed two songs out of their set, the Rose song from Heidi Berry and something called Gloria on the set list. The "real" version of The Moon and the Sun was much tighter and more powerful, with Heidi really pushing some parts of it. Sadly, no Little Foxes though. It was quite a good show. The highlights were better than the album, although on the whole the album was more lush and beautiful (of course, there are a lot more instruments on it). Idaho was loud and dense, but fun if you like that. The lead singer brought a big bag of earplugs for everyone, which he used himself, although the guitar players responsible for all the noise did not. I actually liked the Red House Painters, which was a bit of a surprise. I was impressed with the lead singer actually leaving the microphone to sing songs and parts of songs completely unamplified. Oh yeah, the RHP guitar player played two songs with Heidi and Grace in there set. I did manage to make off with 2 Heidi Berry posters though, which I thought was a pretty impressive haul, considering there were only four in the club. Anyway, I certainly don't need more than one, so the other is up for grabs. I was trying to think of a fair way to do this, and figuring everyone is so clever that they could all answer a trivia question, I was a bit stuck. How about guessing my birthday, which I have slyly not revealed to the Ecto crowd (heh heh). Winner of one Heidi Berry poster goes to the person who can come closest by year, month and date. Ties broken by my shoe size :) Oh, what's it look like. Well, mostly like the album. It has the big pale venus flytrap picture on it, with the Heidi Berry script signature. Across the top there are three sharper small pictures, a moth, the open flytrap, and Heidi herself. It's moderate size, maybe 2 feet by 3 feet. I'll spring for postage and tube if it's under 5 bucks. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 13:49:59 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: old local Boston scene rumor If anyone remembers the Boston music scene back in the early 80's, my favorite local band, The Dark, may be reforming and performing by the end of this year! Aimee Mann was a big fan of theirs - she used to cut their bass player's hair (assymetrically). If anyone's remotely interested, let me know and I'll keep you informed. Saw Cranes last week - they were great! I got my Jewel 7" box set signed by all of them too! DCD at the Berkelee on 10/30 - tickets went on sale this past Saturday (sorry, I'm backlogged with mail). Laura ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Digest #785 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:35:49 PDT > People, where can I get hold of Sarah McLachlan's CD5? I've been looking > all over and they know nothing, they see nothing. What's up with this? There's heaps of 'em at A & B Sound Downtown here in Vancouver. Regular CDs with an out of focus photo of McLachlan's mug on the outside and a couple of versions of "Possession" on the inside. Of course, the release date for her new album is in a couple of weeks' time in Canada but not until next year elsewhere. In the past that's meant that they stick an extra track or two on the non-Canadian release. Try mailing nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca, which is the email address for McLachlan's record company (they also have Lava Hay, Skinny Puppy, MC 900 Foot Jesus (I think), Ginger (former members of the Grapes of Wrath) and a few others.). If they don't ship products internationally and there are truly desperate Sarah McLachlan fans out there who really want to hear her new stuff, email me. - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: 06 Oct 93 14:38:55 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: short cuts I read the Newsweek review of the new Altman film Short Cuts, and it looks *really* cool. Has anyone seen it yet? I can only assume it opens in Chicago this weekend. It has lots of cool people in it. My only question is this: Why does Lori Singer always get cast as a cello player? And what ever happened the other kids from Fame? I used to *love* that show. -mjm ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: old local Boston scene rumor Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 14:52:10 EDT On the ecto mailing list, Laura Frank Clifford wrote... > If anyone remembers the Boston music scene back in the early 80's, my > favorite local band, The Dark, may be reforming and performing by the end > of this year! Aimee Mann was a big fan of theirs - she used to cut their > bass player's hair (assymetrically). If anyone's remotely interested, > let me know and I'll keep you informed. Speaking of the local Boston music scene again.. and Aimee Mann... A friend's new band, _Desk_, just released their debut 7" single on Slow River Records. Desk features Keith, Aimee Mann (X-'til Tuesday), and Greg Jacobs (Lotus eaters). You can obtain the single via mail order by sending $3 to: P.O. Box 487, Durham, NH 03824. As far as I know, Desk is supposed to be playing The Causeway in Boston on 16 Oct 93. Also, for Helium fans, an upcoming release is a full-length CD from Mary Timony. FYI... -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:53:52 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: short cuts Mike Mendelson asks: >My only question is this: Why does Lori Singer >always get cast as a cello player? > >And what ever happened the other kids from Fame? Was she in _Fame_? Was it Ms Singer in _Trouble In Mind_ or was that another tall blonde actress? Does anybody really want to try to answer your first question? Would an answer be politically correct? -- John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 15:44:52 -0500 From: colford@clsn1231.noble.mass.edu (Michael Colford) Subject: M + M anyone? Now that I have access to this wonderful network, maybe I can find out what has happened to some of my favorite musical acts of the past who have seemingly vanished. Does anyone know what became of M + M (formerly Martha & the muffins?) The last I have of theirs is the album, "The world is a ball." While in Toronto a couple of years ago I did read in a newspaper that they were still recording together and would be releasing something soon. Did anything ever appear? Speaking of Canadians, is Luba still recording? She has been lying low these last few years. Last I've seen of her is the album "All or nothing." I'm always amazed at how little information we in the States get about Canadian acts until they' ve crossed over the border. Hmmm. Lastly, whatever became of the band, In Pursuit? I have their EP and their full length album, but I fear they have disappeared into obscurity forever. Oh, one more thing. What is the address of the Tori Amos newsgroup? Thanks for you time! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@college.noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Michael's questions Welcome, Michael. Don't know anything about Luba, but Martha & The Muffins (at least what's left of them) have a new disc out called _Modern Lullaby_, which is quite good. It's uneven overall, but like their earlier collections, when they were good they were very very good, and when they were bad they were mediocre. I haven't seen the disc here and got my copy in Canada, but it seems to be pretty widely available there. You might want to try that CD Bar with the 800 number that folks here have been mentioning. The address to subscribe to the Tori Amos mailing list is rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu. To send a message you can send to rdt@gradient.cis.upenn.edu. The owner of the list is an ectophile. Hi, Anthony! --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 14:14:36 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: Re: Fuzzy Set Theory Dirk, now that we know a little about fuzzy set theory, what conclusions did you draw about environmental impact assessment. (BTW, I thought your description was very clear, although I knew a little about the subject, so it was mostly reminders, but I don't know why the interval (0,1) is written ^M0,1Y.) Neal, who managed to go out to lunch today without running into the raving lunatic who cornered me yesterday, talking non-stop for 25 minutes about how the Mexicans are not only ruining our society, but have amassed so much wealth in the US that they control the banks, military and government. And you probably thought it was the Jews that were behind all that ;-) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 14:16:44 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Fuzzy Set Theory Neal writes: >how the Mexicans are not only ruining our society, but have amassed so >much wealth in the US that they control the banks, military and government. >And you probably thought it was the Jews that were behind all that ;-) I thought it was the Nipponese! :-) -- John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 14:43:10 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: a short klaus > Yes, I bought it a couple of days ago! It's WONDERFUL, probably my "album > of the year" (I don't believe that TRS will be better, if they ever > release it this year), followed by RhodeSongs. _Love is everything_ is > the only song that I don't like (although it appears twice on the disc). > My favorite songs are _Temple_, _All the candles..._ and _An angel > stepped down_. (BTW, this is my first JS album) Really? "Love is Everything" is my favorite track on the album. The verses, admittedly, aren't too engaging, but that chorus.. (melt) If you liked _When I Was A Boy_, you should run, not walk, to your local record store and get _The Walking_ by Jane. Very dark, slightly impenetrable, but it'll grow on you. Mach schnell! I've been keeping a mental note of my favorite 10 albums of the year so far, and _WIWaB_ is #1 so far. I also doubt that _TRS_ will overtake it, as I really didn't care for ETM or BSL. _Equipoise_ is probably #3 or #4. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 15:01:55 CDT From: "Virtuoso on tuner, turntable and tape deck" Subject: Runaway trains of thought and other stories Before I forget, or get involved in writing about other topics, or both: the admins here have announced that the system will be cut off from the internet for about a half hour beginning at 7 AM (Chicago time) tomorrow. Should anyone's posts bounce for that reason prior to getting through to my site, just resend them to me if you think of it. Thanx. While cobbling a unified ecto product file together, I found the following allusion to something which could qualify at least as much as a service as a product: >It popped into my head over the weekend that had our friends chartered a train >to travel to the Albany and Philly concerts, it would have been appropriate to >call it the WRONG CENTURY LIMITED. It might be an appropriate name, too, for >the imaginary Ecto industrial machine to enter the transportation business, as >the premium train between some two points to be thought of some other time. (originally posted 5/12/92) What better to call the operator of the Wrong Century Limited than the PHOBOS AND TERRA INCOGNITA RAILWAY CO.? Or, as railfans everywhere would call it for short, the P & TI. (Which, conveniently in view of our recent discuss- ions of DSM-III, is but one letter different from P & PI, as one of this town's leading shrink units is known in the trade :-). ) The harmonic convergence of this inspiration and Vickie's soliloquy on the perturbations of car ownership, notwithstanding the joys of breaking into song in the passenger compartment, brought to the foreground the memory of many years ago, when I was first learning to drive and the novelty thereof had yet to wear off, and I had been invited to a party by a friend whose abode was across the street from a commuter station of what used to be the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy railroad. I thought to myself, "Who needs the CB&Q when you've got the PRND&L?" Being young and impulsive at the time, I drove to the aforementioned do; I have a feeling that nowadays I'd find it simpler just to take the train. A couple of years before the events described in the above anecdote, I was in a class where the teacher made the off-the-cuff observation one day that the only places left for the modern American male to be alone were in his car, and in the bathroom. It would appear from Vickie's reminiscence of her days in the car culture that this may not apply only to the modern American male. In any event, both the spaces in question appear well suited to trying one's hand at dissonant warbling :-). Vickie went on to quote from the colloquy between Chris and Holly: > > I play the stereo. :) > > > *ROFL* :) > I don't know why I found this so funny. Take it from me, you'd be amazed what can appear funny to one, given sufficient lateness of the hour and fatigue of psyche and soma :-). WRT Vickie's query about Amazons International: Perhaps it is best described the way its editor put it in the first issue: >Amazons International is an electronic mailing list for and about >amazons (physically and psychologically strong, assertive women who >are not afraid to break free from traditional ideas about gender roles >and femininity/"feminine interests and behavior") and their friends. "Amazon" is arguably a term of art in the instant case. In any event, subscriptions can be had by emailing the address I mentioned in these pages the other day. The discussion of the hypothetical stereo symphony somehow reminded me of one day when Studs Terkel's program on WFMT featured an interview with Theodore Bikel, and they both got a bit of a laugh out of it when their hearing aids came close enough that both started to produce feedback. The thought hit me that composers of novelty music could systematize this concept, perhaps, to create a number on the order of "Dueling Feedback." Now, the thought hits me that that's what the dueling stereos could end up sounding like during the period of experimentation, until, as the saying goes, it was gotten right :-). >just a quick note before i go to sleep, or retire to First Michael Jordan, now Brni. Has early retirement become trendy in a single day, or what? :-) Anthony relates: >Without hesitating he said "Send 'em each one of those small pumpkins you see >at the market, and stick those stickers on them". I for one am glad they >weren't promoting the Revolting Cocks album... :-) Indeed. The stickered roosters would eventually moult, and one would then be forced to deal with a bunch of chicken feathers stuck to little pieces of paper lying about loose :-). The Discovery Channel's footage of a mosquito biting has nothing, IMHO WIVH, on PBS, which once showed a _primal scene_ between two butterflies at a time when children of tender years might have been watching :-). D**2 offers the following suggestion WRT a costume Vickie could wear to the Halloween party: >Perhaps you could show up to the party in rubber hip boots and >Chris could be carrying a paddle. It seems a pity, in retrospect, that that venerable old University of Chicago tradition, the Lascivious Costume Ball, has apparently fallen by the wayside in recent years. As I remember the lore and legend, a lascivious costume wasn't a requirement, but those with the gumption to actually show up swathed in them (or, in the alternate, swathed in nothing) got in free, and there were prizes for the best ones. Actually, the most memorable Halloween party in my personal experience was my first year of grad school, at the graduate director's home. I didn't bother with a costume; one senior faculty member (also not in costume) asked me what I had come as, but after 20 years I can no longer remember whether I replied that I was masquerading as myself (as if I had one :-) ), or as a competent sociologist. The high point was when in the kitchen, a bottle of straight corn whisky was being passed around, while somebody played the "Ode to Joy" on the kazoo while someone else provided rhythm on the guitar. (I eventually regained enough lucidity to notice the bottle lying on its side on the kitchen table, what was left of the contents oozing slowly outwards.) Granted, it wasn't the sort of scene that you'd be likely to read about in a.s.b., but nothing's perfect :-). Dirk observes: >And, finally, if you want the German language to sound good being >sung you have to slur and mumble like Herbert Groenemeyer, so that >even a German has difficulties to understand the lyrics :-) Betcha "Louie Louie" must have sounded great in German :-). MJM says WRT English grammar: >You could not agree TO do something. Funny; I always thought so. He goes on to say: > J A Y S A L L T H E W A Y ! ! ! He must take the traditional cleavage between the North Side and the South Side especially seriously :-). Ectophiles on either side of Madison Street may be interested in the October _Illinois Entertainer_, which has an article on Jane Siberry. Tim Cook writes: >> I continue to be most impressed with the English >> of those ectophiles whose mother tongue is some other language. > >Me too. Wspaniale! Me three. Academic jargon! MJM resurfaces to ask: >My only question is this: Why does Lori Singer >always get cast as a cello player? Probably because she really plays the cello, whereas many other prospects for the same roles don't. And that was her in _Trouble in Mind_. >And what ever happened the other kids from Fame? >I used to *love* that show. _Inter alia_, Cynthia Gibb appeared in _Salvador_, Janet Jackson moved on to other pursuits, and I thought I recognized Erica Gimpel in a commercial once. Go figure :-). Mitch (aka The Internut, RhodeScholar, The Understandable Made Complex, Yertle of Salamasond, and a panoply of other things; but youse don't have to call me "Johnson." :-) ) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 14:58:34 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: At long last :) Philip Sainty comments: |> I've finally heard the three new Kate songs from the singles... :) |> Ah - someone else who just got the singles. I just got ETM last night, and still haven't seen RBG. I'll keep looking... |> "Eat The Music" |> A bit different to what I had imagined it would be like - not quite as |> irritating as I had heard :) |> It's definitely KaTe, but I don't think it'll ever be a favourite... (I |> shall play it 'til I like it or I'm sick of it though I suppose :) |> I can't say I *dislike* it, but it's not the Kate I love... The musical complexity just isn't there. The lyrics have some subtlty, though they don't quite match the bouncy music; the problem is that the music just doesn't seem to vary its pace at all. I actually liked the extended mix better, just because it *did* vary the pace from time to time. |> "Rubberband Girl" |> Whereas I was slightly pleased to find that ETM wasn't as bad as I'd |> feared, I was a bit dissapointed with RBG, as most people seemed to |> have said they liked it, and it didn't do much for me on the first play |> at all. However, thinking back, I don't remember hearing what sort of a |> song it was anyway. (I hadn't expected quite such a poppy sound I guess.) |> Again, I shall play it much... |> Still looking for this... |> Lastly, "Big Stripey Lie" |> This one didn't seem as weird to me as the reports suggested, but at the |> end I was happy - this was the Kate I know and love :) |> I am sure this will be my favourite of the three... |> This I love. :-) It reminds me of "Get Out Of My House" and some of the other dynamic parts of _The Dreaming_. If the rest of The Red Shoes is up to this standard, it'll be one of my favorites. |> I look forward to the album (whenever it arrives - ) |> Have faith - it will arrive! (someday....) On the same visit to the store that netted me ETM, I also collected a few other ecto-oid CDs. I found Heidi Berry in the used bin - and I have no idea why anyone would give this up. I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but it's a beautiful piece of relaxing music. I also backfilled my Dead Can Dance with Under the Realm of a Dying Sun (? - it's in the car). In a different vein, I picked up the new David Sylvain/Robert Fripp CD. I know Fripp well (check the .sig), but I'm just not placing Sylvain. I'm sure I've heard the name, and he fronts some major band that I don't follow, but *which one*? Distinctions are important. :-) Hope this gets through - I've sent off a couple of things that I never saw an echo of, and some others were just fine. Internet roulette, I guess. Erik ___________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe any return address KLA Instruments Corp. rumors. The one and only True San Jose, CA Address is e_johnso@kla.com. As the cavalry of despair Takes a stand in the lady's hair For the favour of making sweet sixteen... -- King Crimson ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)