Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #348 ecto, Number 348 Wednesday, 14 October 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Wings of Joy Touring Tori quickie replies Last blips from the Sinead flap The early video catches the worm... Happy Birthday Delayed email?? delayed mail Ahhh... Ecto-heaven.. Re: Wings of Joy Re: Happy reference, Tori live etal Re Happyvangelism, email delays and scratched CD's, in that order What are we going to do about the Christmas tape? CD shopping et al. ======================================================================== From: drk@leland.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wings of Joy Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 8:50:33 PDT > >Does anyone in Ectoland have "Wings of Joy" by The Cranes? > > (Isn't it just "Cranes" (as in "Eurythmics" or "Rainbirds"?)) > > Woj and I posted about this album a bit maybe, oh, a month and a half ago. Oops. Sometimes my mailbox gets so full I delete large chunks of mailing-list-type mail without reading it. Sorry. > Very good stuff. Are you asking "what do you think about it" because you > want to hear others' opinions in comparison to your own, or because you're > thinking about buying it and want to know if it's worthwhile? The latter. Someone told me I might like it, but I'm not ready yet to fork over full price ($14.99) for a record I know nothing about. > Personally, I think it's really great music, but I don't care for the > album as a whole. I never listen to it--in fact, I actively ignore it, > as it's on the flipside of a tape of His Name Is Alive's _Home Is In Your > Head_ which I *do* listen to--and when I get to the end, I just rewind instead > of listening to _Wings of Joy_. > > That said, I *love* a lot of songs on the album, and they figure promimently > on a compilation tape I made and listen to all the time. > > So what all this boils down to is that I think the album is boring as a whole > but taken bit by bit it's cool. > Jeff Does this mean that there's great songs mixed in with duds that break up the flow of the album, or that the songs are too irritating (or dull?) to listen to all at once? David. ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Touring Tori Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 0:34:36 WST Since this seems to be the unofficial announce-Tori's-concert-dates place, I should mention the following.... I just heard on the radio that Tori is coming to Perth! This is particularly amazing as I was reading the latest ecto digest (it had *just* come in) at the time. Can't wait... Mitch, thanks for the Daniel Pinkwater and Groucho comments... I laughed. Mike Weaver writes: > Hi all, this is a test - are we reaching the Happy Rhodes digest? Welcome, Mike and Angel! Vickie told me you were coming to Perth and got all my hopes up... but I'm all better now. Vickie replied: > It's great to have you here! Now, even when you move to Australia, > you'll only be an e-mail letter away. How wonderful! Um... Mike *will* have to find a new account down here, of course... And hello to all the HOMEGROUND folks! My, Ecto *is* getting around... Me, I'm waiting for the day we see Happy-praising email from president@whitehouse.wash.com ... then I might start taking US politics more seriously. :) Martin (wish my thesis was on not doing a thesis...) P.S. We had some snow down here last week... a very rare thing. Even though we had to drive four hours and climb for an hour and a half up the single mountain ontop which it lay, it was worth it. :) -- ,---------------------------------------------------------------. _ . | So we chase the explosions Martin Dougiamas. | _r| Ll\ | From horizon to horizon, martin@cs.curtin.edu.au | | | \ | Wrap ourselves around the distance Curtin University | \ |_ / | For as long as we can hold. Perth, Western Australia -+-> x~ `-' `= Slow Pulse Boy - And Also The Trees =========================' V ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:51:31 EDT From: "l.l. cool bean" Subject: quickie replies um, cranes. i, too, really like _wings of joy_. but for some reason, i have never been able to reachieve the state of nirvana i had when i first heard that album. it was an afternoon right after work. i had just gotten an order from noteworthy cd and _wings of joy_ was one of the cds. it was the first i placed in the player and it was *magical* when it came on. naturally, i spaced and did one of those dream things with the music and just plain fell in love with them. but i've never been able to recreate that sonic bliss again. for some reason. the album is still good, but instead of going into a trance, i tend to unfocus on the music and just let it wash around me instead of through me. i really don't know why either. the new rem: the two songs i dislike are "everybody hurts", which is this tender, sensitive song that is just alien to the concept of michael stipe as i understand him; and "new orleans instrumental #1", which is this little uninteresting noodling which reminds me more of foghat than new orleans. i guess i ust don't get it. my faves on the album are "sweetness follows", "monty got a raw deal", "try not to breathe" and "nightswimming", an utterly non-rem piano piece about skinnydipping. i really wasn't expecting much from this album when rumors started flying about it a few months ago so i was quite surprised to like it as much as i do. magazines and the band have said that it is depressive but i think they're just feeding you lines. sure, it's darker than some other rem releases (compared to the last two anyways), but it is not going to cause anyone to suicide or anything. i think it is strangely uplifting. and while there are a lot of people saying that there are no obvious chart-toppers, i think this album has a lot of commercial potential since it is well-written and well-performed. given a chance, a4tp (clever acronym for _automatic for the people_) will sell like hot- cakes (or i'll eat my keyboard). has anyone ever heard of a singer named ani defranco? she's apparently from upstate new york somewhere and i've been assured that she is *incredible*. in return, i assured the person who told me about ani that happy was *in- credible* and we're swapping tapes to see if we're right. :) i'll report in future post sometime. but right now...i need to sleep. +w ======================================================================== Date: 12 October 1992 11:47:01 CDT From: Subject: Last blips from the Sinead flap Last Saturday on Saturday Night Live, guest host Joe Pesci attempted to bring the matter full circle, by holding up a photo of the Pope taped together. The next day's Sun-Times carried a review of her new album, which panned it, wondering out loud if the fact that these are the songs she grew up on (so she says) is reason enough to do an album of bad renditions of them. Be that as it may, the paper panned Michael Bolton's new album of standards worse, commenting that there is no song that the average lounge act couldn't do better. Seems nobody may dethrone Linda Ronstadt when it comes to bridging the musical generation gap this way :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 12 October 1992 11:30:21 CDT From: Subject: The early video catches the worm... Peter Gabriel was interviewed on _CBS This Morning_ this morning. Clips from the "Digging in the Dirt" video were also featured. Most of the highlights of the interview have already passed from memory, for better or worse; but I do recall that he said that he got the idea for the concept for the aforesaid video from watching nature documentaries on TV, that attempted to portray thing s from the critters' point of view. Also that his latest extramusical project is as part of a movement to furnish human rights activists with camcorders and fax machines, to facilitate their immediate documentation of human rights abuses in their areas. Clearly, I am capable of staying awake through great musical stars' appear- ances on television, just as long as they apear at the right time of day :-). BTW: I think well of the Cranes' album in its entirety. (This assumes, of course, that I am not cognitively confusing it, through the mists of time, with the Story's album, by which I was quite mesmerized indeed [cf. my discourse on the latter band in these pages sometime during the summer just ended].) Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:36:10 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: Happy Birthday Here's wishing a very HAPPY brithday to Brian Bloom on October 14th. Terry ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:55:19 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: Delayed email?? Ive just received a couple of pieces of mail( one from Greg(footah) and the other from Steve Fagg) supposedly sent to ecto on 5th and 6th August 1992??? both about the HBP and other tapes that were being sent out by greg the follwoing week. Seems a long delay on rutgers getting this mail to ectophiles, or was I the only one to get a 2 - 3 month delay I never did get the philly tapes and albany photos that Greg said he would be sending me and have never heard any more about the HBP tapes that I sent Greg. I can't seem to get any answer to my email to Greg and haven't seen much from him on the list lately. Anyone know where he's gone and is he still on the list}?? Peace and Happiness Terry =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME =============================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:02:06 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: delayed mail Hi All Ive just received a couple of pieces of mail( one from Greg(footah) and the other from Steve Fagg) supposedly sent to ecto on 5th and 6th August 1992??? both about the HBP and other tapes that were being sent out by greg the follwoing week. Seems a long delay on rutgers getting this mail to ectophiles, or was I the only one to get a 2 - 3 month delay I never did get the philly tapes and albany photos that Greg said he would be sending me and have never heard any more about the HBP tapes that I sent Greg. I can't seem to get any answer to my email to Greg and haven't seen much from him on the list lately. Anyone know where he's gone and is he still on the list}?? Peace and Happiness Terry =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME =============================================================================== ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Ahhh... Ecto-heaven.. Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:35:16 WST Martin here.... *happy sigh*... I opened the front door this morning to find a startled post-office person with one hand in the air, about to press the doorbell. "YES!!!", I bawled. "Sign here", she said. "YES!!!!!", I bawled and scribbled "Happy Rhodes" on the pad. She handed over a lumpy brown package cleverly labelled "Books" and smiled at me, though I'd already disappeared into the house and shot upstairs. Bare seconds later, Happy's 1st4 were liberated from their shrink-wrapping and safely placed into the 5-CD player along with Warpaint. Aaaahhhh.... bliss. All five albums together in the same format. Ecto-heaven. :) Yes, after 5 months or so of postal troubles and delays, my 1st4 *finally* arrived. Ken, my tapes are now officially yours. :) Love those new songs especially... more later on these... Back to your regularly-sheduled ecto-information service... -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Yes, I love you! I love you! I love you! | Martin Dougiamas | | Oh shit... | martin@cs.curtin.edu.au | | I weren't supposed to say nuthing... | Curtin University | | Looks like I've let the cat out of the oven! | Perth, Western Australia | `=== Till I Don't Know Who I Am - Rory McLeod ================================' ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 0:41:17 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: Wings of Joy > > Does anyone in Ectoland have "Wings of Joy" by The Cranes? > > Whatcha think of it? I'm a little bit behind on this conversation, but I did want to add my voice that it's a good album. There are a couple of songs that I don't care for, but I liked it enough to buy the CD, even though I already had a dub of the album. Warning though, have you heard the album or at least, one song? If not, you should know that Allison's voice is truly strange. It's a very high, ethereal, "baby talk" voice that you may either love or hate. I'd love for her to do a duet with Virginia Astley. Better yet, a trio with Virginia and Julee Cruise (she'd provide the "bass" :-) ) Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 0:59:19 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: Happy reference, Tori live etal > Hi! > > Vickie, I know this is going to excite you so I'm relating it: over on GEnie > I've been uploading playlists to the Radio Playlists topic, which is populated > by DJs (mostly from California) and people eager to expand their musical > horizons. I also posted info on Psychowelders, The Moon Seven Times, and > (surprise!) Happy. One other person on the board (I don't know his real > name, he goes by Cavebear) then said "Her early stuff is out on CD now? > Where can I get it?????". Needless to say I was rather surprised by this, > so I asked how he had heard of her. He replied that he had been at a party > where a tape of hers was playing, and he's been trying to get her stuff ever > since. Thanks for telling me. It'll be interesting to find out how his friend heard of Happy. Yep, you're right, it does excite me! Mitch, thanks for the Daniel Pinkwater update. I was on the floor laughing. Wish I'd caught it... Martin, congratulations on finally getting the 1st 4!! I'm really happy for you. I talked to Happy for about 3 hours Saturday night, but we never got around to asking everything I wanted to ask. Actually, all I really learned was that they are just about ready to go into the studio. They've been spending all their time in the home studio, getting the songs as ready as possible, so the "real" studio time is as little as possible. Other then that, she feels kind of isolated and hopes that she can spend more time talking to people and answering questions once the album is finished. It's selfish, but I called to cry on her shoulder and we spent most of the time talking about me :-/ so it wasn't until we hung up that I remembered I had about 20 different questions for her. I did mention though.... She *didn't* know anything about the HBP, but she does now...:-) She just said that it doesn't matter that it's late (especially since she didn't expect it) and that she'll appreciate it whenever it does get there, because the music will last. That's it, everything else is quiet in Albany. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: 13 October 1992 10:42:00 CDT From: Subject: Re Happyvangelism, email delays and scratched CD's, in that order I recently saw a new issue of Ms. Magazine on the stands, and have gotten to wondering if it would be another appropriate target for Happy's publicity machine. In re Terry's months-old incoming postings: Many of you have undoubtedly concluded by now that the Rutvm1 machine tends to sit on my outgoing ecto posts, at length, before forwarding them to the masses. This is nothing compared to what has happened to the stray copies of Greg's and Steve's posts; though it may as easily be the doing of some relay site closer to Terry as the fault of Rutvm1. It does, nevertheless, cause me to rethink, albeit only mom- entarily, my relative deprivation over the time lag in my words getting into the hands of their intended readers. Last week, I checked a number of CDs out of the public library. The only one I have thus far gotten around to listening to apparently has quite a playing history; it pops, crackles and sticks with the best of well-worn vinyl. It sort of gives one pause to think that this could be the fate of Happy's music eventually, new technologies notwithstanding. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 13 October 1992 14:48:24 CDT From: Subject: What are we going to do about the Christmas tape? Notwithstanding the somewhat confused current status of the birthday tape, and that, in this area at least, the weather is indistinguishable from summer :-), we ought to start thinking about this year's model of the Christmas/Hanuka/ Kwanza/Solstice/etcetc tape. I strongly support the idea of doing one; we all know that these things are as much or more a present for ourselves, jointly and severally, as for Happy, and always have been. Should that last, deferred bit of summer, the birthday tape, miraculously come through the pipeline in the meantime--well, it would be like something I recall reading in a comic book as a child, in which one of the characters observed about something or other, "It's like my birthday and Christmas rolled into one." With all this in mind, methinks the logistics still ought to be pinned down explicitly, while there's still time to do it all without rushing. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 3:40:57 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: What are we going to do about the Christmas tape? > Notwithstanding the somewhat confused current status of the birthday tape, and > that, in this area at least, the weather is indistinguishable from summer :-), > we ought to start thinking about this year's model of the Christmas/Hanuka/ > Kwanza/Solstice/etcetc tape. I strongly support the idea of doing one; we all > know that these things are as much or more a present for ourselves, jointly and > severally, as for Happy, and always have been. Should that last, deferred bit > of summer, the birthday tape, miraculously come through the pipeline in the > meantime--well, it would be like something I recall reading in a comic book as > a child, in which one of the characters observed about something or other, > "It's like my birthday and Christmas rolled into one." > > With all this in mind, methinks the logistics still ought to be pinned down > explicitly, while there's still time to do it all without rushing. Well, I can put it together, so that's taken care of. I would like a deadline of November 1 set. That way i can be receiving tapes throughout November and begin putting it together by the end of November. That doesn't mean you can wait until November 15 to send your tape. :-) I want to have it in the mail by the first week of December so we won't be messing around with the last-minute X-mas rush, and so that Happy will, for once, receive it *before* the holiday. We all want that, right? (Just so you know, that doesn't necessarily mean that all of you will get your tapes back before the holidays, but ASAP after. It's Happy's gift, so she's the only one I care about getting to her before.) So, choose what song you want her (and other Ectophiles) to hear. Put it, and a spoken message if you have a way to do that, on a 100 minute tape. Send that tape, and a second blank, if you want the HGP exactly as Happy gets it, to me. I'll compile them as I receive them (though I won't be talking like on the last one) and mail it out the first (or thereabouts) of December. The song can be anything (except one by Happy, she's heard her own music :-)) in any genre. Less than 10 minutes please, though. If I have to choose something to fill up the second tape I reserve that right. If I have to actually go to a third tape (the day *will* come) I'll let you know so those who want to can send another tape to get it too. If you make a spoken message, *please* *please* say WHO you are and WHERE you're from and WHAT it is that you're playing. Since I'm not talking this time, it's going to be a lot easier on the listener to hear who's talking and what's going to be playing than it will be to look up the file on Ecto. (No way can I write all the information on every single cassette, so like last year, the only info will be "HGP 1992") *Please* remember to do this, thanks! Send tapes to: Vickie Mapes 1627 W. Farwell, #2N Chicago, IL 60626 I'll acknowledge tapes received as I get them. IMPORTANT: Please include a mailer and postage, self-addressed stamped is preferred. Also, keep a copy of your message, so that if your tape gets lost you can re-send it without having to do it over again. Terry Partis, we'll all be keeping our fingers crossed! If anyone doesn't have access to a recorder to tape a message, I'll offer our answering machine again. No one took me up on it the last time, but it's still available. E-mail for details. I'll keep a running tally on who's involved and what songs are being chosen so songs aren't duplicated. Get busy, it's later than you think! Thanks Mitch, for reminding me. Vickie ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: CD shopping et al. Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:02:41 EDT Hi, I spent a very interesting weekend in NY state, with a brief visit to NYC that was enough to certify that footah aka Greg is still alive and well, although timing made sure we didn't have time to say more than Hi Greg, Bye Greg...:( But on a happier note I made several CD purchases at really low cutout prices! I also got a couple of new ones at full new-release price. Here goes: China Crisis-Difficult shapes and passive rhythms. I had this on vinyl since it came out, but couldn't resist the $4.98 price tag and splurged. It still sounds as good as I remember. The song 'Christian' reminds me of Happy's music in its moodiness and its useof percussion and bass. Heaven 17-Pleasure One. I loved Penthouse and Pavement, but haven't seen it on CD. I also loved their second release, which I remember borrowing from a friend in Greece. This is in fact the first Heaven 17 I see on CD in the US, and I haven't heard much about it, so my guess is that the $3.98 price tag is indicative of what the general public thinks of it. It didn't sound *that* bad...Anybody know more about this? Tin Machine-Tin Machine Bowie is god, and this is the best tin machine album, OK? REM-Automatic for the people Now that's an album I will cherish for a long time. Its mood is amazing. Dark, and subtle.I liked the darker songs on OOT, like 'Low', 'Belong', 'Country Feedback', so an album full of that mood was an unexpected surprise. 'Drive' gives me goosebumps every time I hear it. Other favorites are 'Try not to breathe', and 'Man on the moon'. Prince-O+> I liked everything Prince did up to Lovesexy. Then he started losing me. And this time I think he lost me completely. The album is full of songs that have no focus. On one, '3 Gold chains' (?) he sounds like he's trying to write his 'Bohemian Rhapsody' with fake operatic like vocals... It is *so* unoriginal and uninventive it could well be a Michael Jackson album. The only song that so far rings a bell is 'Morning papers'. But 4 minutes or so out of 75 minutes isn't much. I hope he gets rid of the NPG and starts anew after taking a break. Oh, no thanks to Kate and Sinead this time... Back to writing cover letters... Angelos ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)